October 28, 20231 yr 3 hours ago, Cleburger said: London double deckers are 14'4", or higher than the US standard max of 13'6". With careful route planning certainly this could certainly be dealt with. There are also other manufacturers who make double deck buses that confirm to USDOT standards. Van Hool for instance is 13'1" no … don’t do it … no, dad, no … sorry, son … and also: 🙀👻 if it killed the two of us to die by your side would be a heavenly way to die. 😂🎃
October 28, 20231 yr 3 hours ago, mrnyc said: no … don’t do it … no, dad, no … sorry, son … and also: 🙀👻 if it killed the two of us to die by your side would be a heavenly way to die. 😂🎃 🎶There are some lights/and they always go out🎶 (should probably save this for the street scape thread)
October 29, 20231 yr On 10/27/2023 at 9:38 AM, bumsquare said: Welleon finishing up And relatedly, building coming down a couple doors down. Not much of a structure but kind of a bummer losing street wall And some pretty foliage next door to cheer us back up We can’t get a win without taking a big L. What a dumbass move.
October 29, 20231 yr 52 minutes ago, marty15 said: We can’t get a win without taking a big L. What a dumbass move. Big L is quite a stretch. The building coming down is nothing special, and had no street presence.
October 29, 20231 yr 22 minutes ago, X said: Big L is quite a stretch. The building coming down is nothing special, and had no street presence. More of a street presence than another empty space fronting Detroit, just to add to the collection of many on that stretch. It’s just annoying and completely unnecessary. A move to save a few bucks on property taxes, and gain more surface parking. Because that’s what we need.
October 29, 20231 yr 10 hours ago, marty15 said: A move to save a few bucks on property taxes, and gain more surface parking. Because that’s what we need. Let's wait and see what comes next before tarring and feathering the owners. Could the owners have waited? Maybe, but I don't know what the owners know. It's OK to not have an opinion on something. "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
October 29, 20231 yr Heck bring back the circulator busses. Lorain, w25th, Detroit, and w65th. There's your loop.I've been racking my brain around how we can cheaply create a loop to connect people to the train stations.Sent from my Pixel 8 Pro using Tapatalk
October 31, 20231 yr Gordon Square: more apartments, townhomes By Ken Prendergast / October 31, 2023 Less than a year after acquiring the Premium Metals property, 5901-6001 Breakwater Ave., in Cleveland’s Gordon Square neighborhood, Beachwood-based developer TurnDev has released conceptual plans for developing the site with a mix of multifamily apartments and townhomes. Tentatively called Breakwater Residences, its 193 housing units and a long, five-story building represent a significant project but not as large as what was previously proposed for the site by another developer. And it’s less dense than what the city’s zoning code allows. MORE: https://neo-trans.blog/2023/10/31/gordon-square-more-apartments-townhomes/ "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
October 31, 20231 yr Looks like a solid development IMO. Assume the townhomes be for-sale units? That developer seems to be busy these days.
November 1, 20231 yr It's not a marvel, but I'll take it. Breakwater is not the most visible address in Cleveland, and this would be 250+ new people in the neighborhood. I am curious if there are plans to cut a clearing through to Herman Park, or if there will still be woods in between?
November 1, 20231 yr 43 minutes ago, ML11 said: It's not a marvel, but I'll take it. Breakwater is not the most visible address in Cleveland, and this would be 250+ new people in the neighborhood. I am curious if there are plans to cut a clearing through to Herman Park, or if there will still be woods in between? It would be a shame to lose the trees at the park. It’s actually a small ravine and a (I believe) disused railway dividing the park and the development site. They better not disturb those gd basketball hoops tho!
November 1, 20231 yr Glad to see momentum on Westinghouse again! And glad the Breakwater apartment/townhomes passed design review, even with some pushback. https://www.crainscleveland.com/real-estate/westinghouse-rehab-nearby-project-could-add-278-suites-edgewater?utm_source=afternoon-report&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=20231101&utm_content=article1-headline
November 1, 20231 yr 6 hours ago, bumsquare said: It would be a shame to lose the trees at the park. It’s actually a small ravine and a (I believe) disused railway dividing the park and the development site. They better not disturb those gd basketball hoops tho! The render looks like the old rail bed will be a walking path.
November 1, 20231 yr 3 hours ago, urbanetics_ said: Glad to see momentum on Westinghouse again! And glad the Breakwater apartment/townhomes passed design review, even with some pushback. https://www.crainscleveland.com/real-estate/westinghouse-rehab-nearby-project-could-add-278-suites-edgewater?utm_source=afternoon-report&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=20231101&utm_content=article1-headline What was the pushback?
November 2, 20231 yr 2 minutes ago, CleWestSide said: what design review did it pass? Far West. Vote was 4-2
November 2, 20231 yr 2 minutes ago, CleWestSide said: what design review did it pass? Siting issues. One thought townhomes should face the park rather than the apartment building. Apartment was looming over the park. Also suggestion that townhomes be three stories rather than two. Vote was 4-2 in favor.
November 2, 20231 yr The Breakwater project was removed from tomorrow’s planning commission meeting agenda, seeking schematic approval, at the request of the developer.
November 2, 20231 yr FYI for those interested... We are hosting a brunch open house at Welleon on Saturday the 11th, 11:00A-2:00P. Come check out the (nearly) finished space, and see where we've come since @KJPscooped the news of the development's conception in February 2021! RSVP here: https://www.welleon.com/
November 2, 20231 yr On 5/31/2022 at 5:26 PM, ColDayMan said: West 73rd Street Apartments renewed for Cleveland's Detroit-Shoreway neighborhood New apartments are planned for Cleveland's Edgewater neighborhood, adding to an ongoing push to further develop the area. Horton Harper Architects is seeking schematic approval on the West 73rd Street Apartments, which will include two 108-unit apartments across the intersection of West 73rd Street and Herman Avenue near the Gordon Square Arts District. Wes Harper, co-founder of Horton Harper Architects, is representing the project. The 181,000-square-foot project will be heard June 1 at the Far West Design Review meeting, which will recommend its approval or disapproval by the Cleveland City Planning Commission. More below: https://www.bizjournals.com/cleveland/news/2022/05/31/west-73rd-apartments-cleveland.html I’ve heard this project is close to breaking ground. Anyone else hear that?
November 2, 20231 yr 37 minutes ago, marty15 said: I’ve heard this project is close to breaking ground. Anyone else hear that? No building permit applications have been submitted in the past year for new construction of an apartment building on West 73rd. The closest thing was an application was in June to renovate a fire-damaged, 12-unit apartment building at 2098 West 73rd Street. "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
November 3, 20231 yr 20 hours ago, js_bsg said: FYI for those interested... We are hosting a brunch open house at Welleon on Saturday the 11th, 11:00A-2:00P. Come check out the (nearly) finished space, and see where we've come since @KJPscooped the news of the development's conception in February 2021! RSVP here: https://www.welleon.com/ Any word on the ground floor tenants/timeline? I thought I heard about a restaurant didn’t hear much else
November 7, 20231 yr Some photos of Breakwater Lofts - https://thekruegergrp.com/project/breakwater-lofts/
November 16, 20231 yr Thanks for the update!! i googled their name, and it looks like Welleon announced the other tenants in this article: https://www.news5cleveland.com/news/local-news/we-follow-through/inside-the-brand-new-high-end-50-million-apartment-building-in-gordon-square “ On the ground floor, there’s space for a restaurant and what developers Danielle Mink, Jamie Fiore and Ilya Palatnik are cooking up. "There’s not going to be anything around as extravagant as what we’re going to be offering," Fiore explained. They’re investing around $3 million into converting their piece of the ground floor into an ultra high-end MedSpa called Soul Space, a wellness center called NuIQ Wellness Lounge, PureFYX Café and an event space. "We’re going to be blending in a wellness cafe with a MedSpa with a holistic approach to make people feel great," Fiore added.”
November 16, 20231 yr A meeting for the Watterson-Lake site was held November 8. You can find the complete slide deck here: https://static1.squarespace.com/static/616ce11afc0dec74b5ab0fe5/t/654e1ecdeb4423319303f4fb/1699618511759/Stantec_BTG+Watterson-Lake+Development_COMMUNITY+PRESENTATION-compressed.pdf Images of note posted below:
November 17, 20231 yr Seems like a solid site plan. I know there's an emphasis on affordable units with this development. Wondering if that means income restrictions or if that's accomplished by having 'microapartments'? Looks like a lot of studios in the main building. Edited November 17, 20231 yr by Rustbelter
November 17, 20231 yr 3 hours ago, jborger said: A meeting for the Watterson-Lake site was held November 8. You can find the complete slide deck here: https://static1.squarespace.com/static/616ce11afc0dec74b5ab0fe5/t/654e1ecdeb4423319303f4fb/1699618511759/Stantec_BTG+Watterson-Lake+Development_COMMUNITY+PRESENTATION-compressed.pdf Images of note posted below: Very strange that they step it down to a single floor fronting Detroit. The step down should be by West Clinton. The bulk of the building should be up to the Detroit sidewalk.
November 17, 20231 yr 27 minutes ago, marty15 said: Very strange that they step it down to a single floor fronting Detroit. The step down should be by West Clinton. The bulk of the building should be up to the Detroit sidewalk. Possibly done to accommodate retail spaces or maybe to step back the residential units on Detroit away from street traffic? Is sometimes done on infill buildings in Chicago that are on major thoroughfares, but these examples are not as extreme. https://maps.app.goo.gl/VWBBCeKkmaU4yt876 https://maps.app.goo.gl/YYVZAnd2k2dadfbKA Edited November 17, 20231 yr by Rustbelter
November 17, 20231 yr 2 hours ago, Rustbelter said: Possibly done to accommodate retail spaces or maybe to step back the residential units on Detroit away from street traffic? Is sometimes done on infill buildings in Chicago that are on major thoroughfares, but these examples are not as extreme. https://maps.app.goo.gl/VWBBCeKkmaU4yt876 https://maps.app.goo.gl/YYVZAnd2k2dadfbKA Sounds suburban.
November 17, 20231 yr I see the step down but I couldn’t find any renderings of the Detroit facing section? Seems weird to ignore that part of the design at this stage
November 17, 20231 yr 14 hours ago, Rustbelter said: Seems like a solid site plan. I know there's an emphasis on affordable units with this development. Wondering if that means income restrictions or if that's accomplished by having 'microapartments'? Looks like a lot of studios in the main building. Looks like they’re submitting a LIHTC application for the next round
November 19, 20231 yr On 11/16/2023 at 3:49 PM, marty15 said: Very strange that they step it down to a single floor fronting Detroit. The step down should be by West Clinton. The bulk of the building should be up to the Detroit sidewalk. I had the same initial thought. There are so many other things with setbacks. I’d rather see Detroit feel more crowded… you know, like a city. I live nearby. There’s enough open space and empty lots
November 19, 20231 yr ^ if there is retail in them, similar to the chicago examples above, it will be fine. if not, then yeah it would be better to have a streetwall.
November 21, 20231 yr Input sought for Watterson-Lake development By Ken Prendergast / November 20, 2023 At a recent community input meeting, a basic concept was revealed for redeveloping the former Watterson-Lake School site on Detroit Avenue, between West 74th and 75th streets in Cleveland’s Detroit-Shoreway neighborhood. The design concept, called a massing, suggested a mixed-use, mixed-income development offering 112 apartments in a five-story building set back from Detroit, 12 rental townhomes, retail and small business incubator spaces fronting Detroit, plus community and park spaces. MORE: https://neo-trans.blog/2023/11/20/input-sought-for-watterson-lake-development/ "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
November 21, 20231 yr 10 minutes ago, KJP said: Input sought for Watterson-Lake development By Ken Prendergast / November 20, 2023 At a recent community input meeting, a basic concept was revealed for redeveloping the former Watterson-Lake School site on Detroit Avenue, between West 74th and 75th streets in Cleveland’s Detroit-Shoreway neighborhood. The design concept, called a massing, suggested a mixed-use, mixed-income development offering 112 apartments in a five-story building set back from Detroit, 12 rental townhomes, retail and small business incubator spaces fronting Detroit, plus community and park spaces. MORE: https://neo-trans.blog/2023/11/20/input-sought-for-watterson-lake-development/ “Other developments are planned in the neighborhood as well, including across Detroit at what’s often called the Burger King site.” Anything concrete to report on here @KJP?
November 21, 20231 yr 1 minute ago, marty15 said: “Other developments are planned in the neighborhood as well, including across Detroit at what’s often called the Burger King site.” Anything concrete to report on here @KJP? Not yet "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
November 21, 20231 yr Nice one from Jenny Spencer… Quote “The city has a 10-year housing study that shows this massive deficit of affordable housing,” Spencer said at the meeting. “I believe that we have a very healthy level of what’s called market-rate development in our neighborhood. All the stuff that’s north of Detroit, the new apartment buildings … these have rents of $3 per square foot. I think we have enough of that in our neighborhood. I don’t think we need more buildings with those kinds of rents.” Not sure why she’s putting these developments at odds with one another. Maybe someone should remind her what direction the population of Cleveland has been trending the past 40 years? We should be doing everything we can to welcome new residents and investments. I would prefer a future with more more market rate housing and more Welleons.
November 30, 20231 yr https://www.instagram.com/p/C0PbaO5gF7e/?igshid=MzRlODBiNWFlZA==Banter heading to the welleon
November 30, 20231 yr 11 minutes ago, BoomerangCleRes said: https://www.instagram.com/p/C0PbaO5gF7e/?igshid=MzRlODBiNWFlZA== Banter heading to the welleon It’s actually next door. In the space that was formerly Mihn Ahn.
December 2, 20231 yr I saw Edgewater Cafe got sold on Wednesday. I tried to sleuth it out but I’m not as sleuth-y as I’d hoped. Bought by an LLC “EWC RECO LLC”. Registering agent was 1600 CNB CORP. 1375 E 9TH ST FL 29. Is this interesting? lol
December 2, 20231 yr I have some notes from back in July regarding the buyer (hint: a local restaurateur who also gives workers a second chance). Totally forgot about it. I'll follow up with him in the morning and see if he wants an article about it. "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
December 2, 20231 yr 1 hour ago, KJP said: I have some notes from back in July regarding the buyer (hint: a local restaurateur who also gives workers a second chance). Totally forgot about it. I'll follow up with him in the morning and see if he wants an article about it. Oh wow very curious to see what he does with the space. I’m assuming it would be a departure from his east side operations (mission aside).
December 2, 20231 yr 1 hour ago, KJP said: I have some notes from back in July regarding the buyer (hint: a local restaurateur who also gives workers a second chance). Totally forgot about it. I'll follow up with him in the morning and see if he wants an article about it. Edwins West would be awesome
December 7, 20231 yr Groundbreaking for the Walz Library/apartment complex is looking like January/February. They closed the funding gap.
January 25, 20241 yr On 12/6/2023 at 7:04 PM, marty15 said: Groundbreaking for the Walz Library/apartment complex is looking like January/February. They closed the funding gap. Hearing March/April now.
January 31, 20241 yr Cleveland’s Watterson-Lake redevelopment evolves By Ken Prendergast / January 31, 2024 More details are emerging for the proposed Watterson-Lake redevelopment in Cleveland’s Detroit-Shoreway neighborhood including the project’s growing size, parking situation, how it will be funded and who will manage the property. According to a project funding application posted earlier this month by the Ohio Housing Finance Agency (OHFA), the answer to the last question is the Cuyahoga Metropolitan Housing Authority (CMHA). MORE: https://neo-trans.blog/2024/01/31/clevelands-watterson-lake-redevelopment-evolves/ "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
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