Option 1 of 3 of a “temporary” pocket park

I wonder what this will end up looking like as it doesn’t follow any of the concepts. Curious if they’re ditching the true pocketpark concept because if they’re just doing mulch and plants now should we take that as a sign of cost cutting or doing less now because they know they’ll do the retail building sooner and it’s not worth the price of the other materials just the rip them up

Any update on the potential 1231 W. 73rd development?

48 minutes ago, owenflanagan said:

Any update on the potential 1231 W. 73rd development?

Good question.  I have been wondering the same thing.  This is one of a fair number of projects that received final approval from PC a long time ago but still have not broken ground.

2 hours ago, owenflanagan said:

Any update on the potential 1231 W. 73rd development?

They want to start on the south building by July. The north building would start after the south building is completed. 

Isnt there an additional project tho that is north of the west 73 apartments? closer to station 73

2 hours ago, owenflanagan said:

Isnt there an additional project tho that is north of the west 73 apartments? closer to station 73

It’s just speculation at this point for that site. Nothing concrete that I’m aware of.

53 minutes ago, marty15 said:

It’s just speculation at this point for that site. Nothing concrete that I’m aware of.

 

Initial plans for the highlighted parcel below were submitted to the city last year (Q4). The parcel and project have both been named "Battery Park South."

 

Edited February 6, 20241 yr by Clefan98

23 minutes ago, Clefan98 said:

 

Initial plans for the highlighted parcel below were submitted to the city last year (Q4). The parcel and project have both been named "Battery Park South."

 

who is the developer?  Is it Marous?

Joe Zagelbaum of Brooklyn, NY 

https://neo-trans.blog/2023/07/07/west-73rd-apartments-okd/

1 minute ago, KJP said:

Joe Zagelbaum of Brooklyn, NY 

https://neo-trans.blog/2023/07/07/west-73rd-apartments-okd/

 

Different project.

 

The one I posted about is being developed by the same group (Avenue Partners) that built Station 73. They bought the parcel from Marous for 825K in March '21.

Ah, OK. I tried to reach out to Avenue Partners to find out what they've got in mind there, but no reply. Then again, that was months ago. I'd forgotten all about them!

For anyone interested. I’ll be going.

I won't be able to make it but would love some cliff notes from the meeting if you can provide. 

8 hours ago, Cleburger said:

I won't be able to make it but would love some cliff notes from the meeting if you can provide. 

Not much new information for anyone on UO. The Watterson-Lake proposed building is apparently getting a lot of  pushback from the single story commercial step down to Detroit. Thank God.
 

The new code would eliminate any chance of high rises on the bluff overlooking Edgewater. Most of that area would be capped at 39 feet. The 2 current proposed structures are good to go if they can finance them.

how far back from the bluff is that 39ft cap

38 minutes ago, marty15 said:

The new code would eliminate any chance of high rises on the bluff overlooking Edgewater. Most of that area would be capped at 39 feet. The 2 current proposed structures are good to go if they can finance them.

Seems like lose-lose.   Unless the plan is to populate the bluff with 3 story buildings then high rises further inland?

17 minutes ago, Cleburger said:

Seems like lose-lose.   Unless the plan is to populate the bluff with 3 story buildings then high rises further inland?

That’s not the plan

26 minutes ago, BoomerangCleRes said:

how far back from the bluff is that 39ft cap

To Lake Ave. 

A lot of these people should live on a prairie the way they complain about any building over 2 stories. So f$&ked up. 

21 hours ago, marty15 said:

Not much new information for anyone on UO. The Watterson-Lake proposed building is apparently getting a lot of  pushback from the single story commercial step down to Detroit. Thank God.

Any pushback on this for not having any market rate units? 

 

21 hours ago, marty15 said:

The new code would eliminate any chance of high rises on the bluff overlooking Edgewater. Most of that area would be capped at 39 feet. The 2 current proposed structures are good to go if they can finance them.

 

This is totally perplexing to me. The area that would have high rises is currently underutilized industrial with no residences, so it wouldn't even intrude on any existing neighbors. Basically it's an opportunity for an entire new neighborhood. I mean it's not even that far from the high rises along the Gold Coast. What is the justification for this height limit and who is supporting it?

3 minutes ago, Rustbelter said:

Any pushback on this for not having any market rate units? 

 

 

This is totally perplexing to me. The area that would have high rises is currently underutilized industrial with no residences, so it wouldn't even intrude on any existing neighbors. Basically it's an opportunity for an entire new neighborhood. I mean it's not even that far from the high rises along the Gold Coast. What is the justification for this height limit and who is supporting it?

No pushback on no market rate units.

 

A few very loud, vocal, and ridiculous commenters opposing the proposed Shoreway tower. Not a single one made a lick of sense. It was like a Facebook comment section in real life. I feel only the obstructionists show up to these public meetings and that’s why we can’t ever get anything accomplished here. And what does get built is guided by morons. That’s my take after that meeting.

There’s gotta be a better way to survey the wider public thought. This is not the way.

3 minutes ago, marty15 said:

 Not a single one made a lick of sense. It was like a Facebook comment section in real life.

 

LOL I have been to many meetings where I've had the same thought. 

 

 

Are they accepting comment on the tower limitations anywhere? That’s a ridiculous limit 

Did they share a map different from the one on thelandcode.com?

 

This makes it look like those go to 7 stories. Although 3 on Lake Ave is kind of a miss. 

1 hour ago, Henke said:

Did they share a map different from the one on thelandcode.com?

 

This makes it look like those go to 7 stories. Although 3 on Lake Ave is kind of a miss. 

That’s different than what was shown, and discussed. They did have a carve out for the existing industrial buildings. Being that they cant zone them out of existence. As the industry leaves, their goal is to lower the current allowable heights dramatically. 

Is Dudley Triangle still going to be a thing? In the 2016 masterplan for the neighborhood there was an emphasis on creating a southern anchor point closer to Lorain. 

 

With the Lorain Midway (hopefully) happening it seems like a no brainer to invest more in the neglected southern part of Detroit Shoreway.

 

 

On 2/9/2024 at 7:11 PM, holacomoestas said:

Is Dudley Triangle still going to be a thing? In the 2016 masterplan for the neighborhood there was an emphasis on creating a southern anchor point closer to Lorain. 

 

With the Lorain Midway (hopefully) happening it seems like a no brainer to invest more in the neglected southern part of Detroit Shoreway.

 

 

The rebuild of Mariam Ortiz-Rush park is the most recent large investment in the area, and it's a great outcome. There are also 20-30 lease-purchase CHN homes that have been constructed primarily in this area with a total plan of 60. There aren't any concrete plans for the Dudley Triangle street improvement right now but I don't believe it's been abandoned as a concept.

On 2/9/2024 at 1:56 PM, marty15 said:

That’s different than what was shown, and discussed. They did have a carve out for the existing industrial buildings. Being that they cant zone them out of existence. As the industry leaves, their goal is to lower the current allowable heights dramatically. 

I’ve been going back and forth via email with Adam Davenport and Shannan Leonard to better understand this. 
 

As Adam has explained it, the former “Euclidean Code” allows buildings to be taller than the new Form

Based code will. So that’s going from a height of 115’ to 7 stories or around 85’. 
 

Shannan told me there is an upcoming meeting on Friday, 3/15 to discuss the rezoning. She mentioned a postcard we sent to residents, but I haven’t received one yet and she hasn’t provided any additional details on how to submit comment/attend. 
 

Edit: I’ve reviewed their zoning map, and since I live on West 67th I think that I’m excluded from the affected area and therefore would not have received a postcard 

On 2/9/2024 at 7:11 PM, holacomoestas said:

Is Dudley Triangle still going to be a thing? In the 2016 masterplan for the neighborhood there was an emphasis on creating a southern anchor point closer to Lorain. 

 

With the Lorain Midway (hopefully) happening it seems like a no brainer to invest more in the neglected southern part of Detroit Shoreway.

 

 

 

 

is this midway plan really happening? 

 

looks like the same is underway for superior from downtown to e55 too:

 

https://www.clevelandmidway.com

 

this would be amazing. 🚲

 

 

13 minutes ago, mrnyc said:

 

 

is this midway plan really happening? 

 

looks like the same is underway for superior from downtown to e55 too:

 

https://www.clevelandmidway.com

 

this would be amazing. 🚲

They are a long way from full funding on the Lorain bikeway project, but they are making good planning progress. 

Lake Park remake on West 85th is underway. Site work has started. Also, the big, old, run down mansion on the corner of Detroit and West 81st is about to get a full restoration. New owner is about to get started in the coming weeks. Walz SHOULD (🤞🏼) break ground in the coming months.

17 hours ago, marty15 said:

Lake Park remake on West 85th is underway. Site work has started. Also, the big, old, run down mansion on the corner of Detroit and West 81st is about to get a full restoration. New owner is about to get started in the coming weeks. Walz SHOULD (🤞🏼) break ground in the coming months.

Do you know if the mansion is being redone for the purposes of resale?

Just now, gruver said:

Do you know if the mansion is being redone for the purposes of resale?

I do not. Though I got the feeling he wants to make it his personal residence. 30 something construction industry professional.

5 minutes ago, marty15 said:

I do not. Though I got the feeling he wants to make it his personal residence. 30 something construction industry professional.

Thanks!

It would be really awesome to see that building on Detroit saved, and a good sign that more investment will spread to that stretch of Detroit which just feels completely barren compared to down the street. 

 

Personally would like to see it turned into some lofts but not complaining if the guy really wants to live there. 

Lake Park reconstruction.

This is the first I’ve seen Mancuso venture outside of Lakewood and the west suburbs. 

26 minutes ago, marty15 said:

This is the first I’ve seen Mancuso venture outside of Lakewood and the west suburbs. 

 

As i read it it looks like they are just selling the lot?    They normally do rehabs of existing properties as far as I've seen. 

1 hour ago, Cleburger said:

As i read it it looks like they are just selling the lot?    They normally do rehabs of existing properties as far as I've seen. 

That is the current building on the lot in the picture. It’s a cool building, would be a shame to see another 4x4 go.

4 hours ago, bumsquare said:

That is the current building on the lot in the picture. It’s a cool building, would be a shame to see another 4x4 go.

ah ok the wording of it sounded like a vacant lot. For sure would love to see Mancuso save it. 

Well… it’s not exactly what the current building looks like. 
 

26 minutes ago, Henke said:

Well… it’s not exactly what the current building looks like. 
 

It’s got good bones. A little TLC and she will be pretty again. 

Could be a handsome 4 plex. Got some cool character. 

The Zillow listing includes drawings for a 5-unit townhome and a 2-unit with a garage. So hopefully we get a rehab of the existing structure or the townhomes!
 

I agree that it has a lot of character as is. But I would not want to take a project like that on without pretty deep pockets. 

And asking $300k for this as-is, it’s safe to assume the new owners will have those! 
 

https://www.zillow.com/homedetails/7910-Lake-Ave-Cleveland-OH-44102/344595524_zpid/?utm_campaign=iosappmessage&utm_medium=referral&utm_source=txtshare
 

56 minutes ago, Henke said:

The Zillow listing includes drawings for a 5-unit townhome and a 2-unit with a garage. So hopefully we get a rehab of the existing structure or the townhomes!
 

I agree that it has a lot of character as is. But I would not want to take a project like that on without pretty deep pockets. 

And asking $300k for this as-is, it’s safe to assume the new owners will have those! 
 

https://www.zillow.com/homedetails/7910-Lake-Ave-Cleveland-OH-44102/344595524_zpid/?utm_campaign=iosappmessage&utm_medium=referral&utm_source=txtshare
 

$300k for that is quite a stretch unless that price includes allowances. They likely picked it up for under $50k from the land bank. 

$7500, you can look this stuff up on the County's website

yeah interesting bones for sure and the fix’r up render idea looks great — although ideally i would hope a developer would keep the yellow brick instead of going all black, but thats just a nit. and $300k for a major total rehab i mean come on.

On 2/8/2024 at 8:16 PM, Henke said:

Are they accepting comment on the tower limitations anywhere? That’s a ridiculous limit 

 

Jenny Spencer cannot possibly fathom that more units = more affordable units 

11 hours ago, YABO713 said:

 

Jenny Spencer cannot possibly fathom that more units = more affordable units 

I mean she is just being smart.  Look at LA.  They refused to allow many huge apartment developments and stuck with single housing and I hear the price out there is totally reasonable. 

12 hours ago, cle_guy90 said:

I mean she is just being smart.  Look at LA.  They refused to allow many huge apartment developments and stuck with single housing and I hear the price out there is totally reasonable. 

 

Fun anecdote - I have a friend who tried to convert one of the old houses with former storefronts attached in D-S (I'm sure you all know what I'm alluding to), into a 2-unit, fully residential property, which would require some substantial renovations and a zoning variance - and she told him explicitly that it shouldn't be anything other than a single family home. He even toyed with the idea of opening an all-day breakfast sandwich shop in the front (so the rear property could stay single family) and he got a HELL NAH in response.