March 21, 20241 yr 2 hours ago, YABO713 said: Fun anecdote - I have a friend who tried to convert one of the old houses with former storefronts attached in D-S (I'm sure you all know what I'm alluding to), into a 2-unit, fully residential property, which would require some substantial renovations and a zoning variance - and she told him explicitly that it shouldn't be anything other than a single family home. He even toyed with the idea of opening an all-day breakfast sandwich shop in the front (so the rear property could stay single family) and he got a HELL NAH in response. He should request a variance anyway so that it forces her to go on the public record as opposing it and why. Most politicians aren't brave and I would be happy to write about it. "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
March 21, 20241 yr What's funny is that her website literally states affordable housing is a priority for her in Ward 15.
March 21, 20241 yr Although she came out in opposition to more market-rate housing during her public hearing about the Lake-Watterson development (which BTW just got its 4% LIHTC reserved by the Ohio Housing Finance Agency). "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
March 21, 20241 yr 11 minutes ago, KJP said: He should request a variance anyway so that it forces her to go on the public record as opposing it and why. Most politicians aren't brave and I would be happy to write about it. I was going to mention and suggest the same. My investment group builds all over Ward 15 and we just simply bypass Spencer and go straight to zoning, if needed. She's her own worst enemy at the moment.
March 21, 20241 yr 2 hours ago, KJP said: He should request a variance anyway so that it forces her to go on the public record as opposing it and why. Most politicians aren't brave and I would be happy to write about it. This was over a year ago and he recently bought a duplex in my ward, so I don't think it's going to materialize. But I like the idea.
March 21, 20241 yr 1 hour ago, Clefan98 said: I was going to mention and suggest the same. My investment group builds all over Ward 15 and we just simply bypass Spencer and go straight to zoning, if needed. She's her own worst enemy at the moment. I don't mean this maliciously, because I think she truly believes she's working to help people... But she truly does not understand some basics of supply and demand and it'll stagnate growth and end up displacing more people than if larger-scale developments and multi-unit renos were encouraged.
March 21, 20241 yr 33 minutes ago, YABO713 said: I don't mean this maliciously, because I think she truly believes she's working to help people... But she truly does not understand some basics of supply and demand and it'll stagnate growth and end up displacing more people than if larger-scale developments and multi-unit renos were encouraged. Exactly. Her stunting growth now is going to cause even more displacement and even higher prices... Consider this: For one-bedroom units, the most expensive neighborhoods were classified as Detroit-Shoreway and the Gordon Square Arts District, treated as separate areas for the report though Gordon Square is within Detroit-Shoreway. The average was $1,969 for both. Ohio City and the Gateway District in downtown follow with prices at $1,842, 12% increase, and $1,745, a 31% increase. Two-bedrooms have seen some of the highest increases year-over-year in Cleveland. The high is in Ohio City at an average of $2,647, a 42% annual increase. This is followed by Gateway District at $2,641, a 20% increase. Detroit-Shoreway is at $2,547, a 50% increase, tying with Gordon Square, which saw a 82% increase. https://www.cleveland.com/news/2024/01/rents-are-up-in-greater-cleveland-heres-a-community-by-community-look.html ***investors/developers take note. Gordon Sq is quickly becoming the most expensive place to live in the entire region. Edited March 21, 20241 yr by Clefan98
March 21, 20241 yr The closest neighborhood to downtown that has direct lake/beach access seems to be a powerful draw. Who knew?
March 21, 20241 yr 2 hours ago, YABO713 said: I don't mean this maliciously, because I think she truly believes she's working to help people... But she truly does not understand some basics of supply and demand and it'll stagnate growth and end up displacing more people than if larger-scale developments and multi-unit renos were encouraged. She is very approachable and will respond to emails. We should also invite her to Urban Ohio.
March 21, 20241 yr 4 hours ago, YABO713 said: I don't mean this maliciously, because I think she truly believes she's working to help people... But she truly does not understand some basics of supply and demand and it'll stagnate growth and end up displacing more people than if larger-scale developments and multi-unit renos were encouraged. Or she could and just be trying to hold down the voting block that is most swayed by the "affordable housing" and anti-gentrification spiel. Either way does not sound like the person for the job from what I'm hearing.
March 22, 20241 yr On 10/11/2023 at 8:43 AM, YABO713 said: 2024 might be the time when > $1 million becomes normal in Ohio City and Detroit Shoreway. As the prophecy foretold: https://www.zillow.com/homedetails/1216-W-67th-St-Cleveland-OH-44102/345297504_zpid/
March 22, 20241 yr ^ good thing they aren't building any unaffordable apartments though. I bet not one word is said about $1million single family homes.
March 22, 20241 yr 49 minutes ago, Clefan98 said: As the prophecy foretold: https://www.zillow.com/homedetails/1216-W-67th-St-Cleveland-OH-44102/345297504_zpid/ HO-LEE-SHYT
March 22, 20241 yr to be fair it’s a 3,000 sqft brand new home 3 houses in from as close as you can get to lakefront in the Detroit Shoreway. Can’t say this is that shocking seems par for the course of what we’ve seen over the years Edited March 22, 20241 yr by BoomerangCleRes
March 22, 20241 yr I went with a buddy to view that house. It's nice, but as his wife said, "it's not a million dollars nice."
March 22, 20241 yr On 3/14/2024 at 8:21 PM, marty15 said: Lake Park remake on West 85th is underway. Site work has started. Also, the big, old, run down mansion on the corner of Detroit and West 81st is about to get a full restoration. New owner is about to get started in the coming weeks. Walz SHOULD (🤞🏼) break ground in the coming months. West 81st & Detroit. This guy is motivated.
March 22, 20241 yr 7 hours ago, BoomerangCleRes said: to be fair it’s a 3,000 sqft brand new home 3 houses in from as close as you can get to lakefront in the Detroit Shoreway. Can’t say this is that shocking seems par for the course of what we’ve seen over the years Yup, I see this as progress. In large cities these days prime location houses $1M and up are common. Not trying to be flippant; obviously housing affordability is a major issue in the current era but healthy cities are inevitably going to have upscale areas that are expensive.
March 23, 20241 yr 2 hours ago, Rustbelter said: Yup, I see this as progress. In large cities these days prime location houses $1M and up are common. Not trying to be flippant; obviously housing affordability is a major issue in the current era but healthy cities are inevitably going to have upscale areas that are expensive. People just tend to hold onto old ideas of what "million dollar houses" look like. Where I'm from these 2BR/1BA summer shacks near the beach shot up to 100K and people laughed. Now they're all worth 7 or 8 times that at least. Location! Does anyone here think these residential prices would be anywhere near this amount if Edgewater Park was still in a deplorable state?
March 23, 20241 yr 2 minutes ago, surfohio said: People just tend to hold onto old ideas of what "million dollar houses" look like. Where I'm from these 2BR/1BA summer shacks near the beach shot up to 100K and people laughed. Now they're all worth 7 or 8 times that at least. Location! Does anyone here think these residential prices would be anywhere near this amount if Edgewater Park was still in a deplorable state? Not even close. Metroparks changed the game. They create spaces that people want to be a part of, and live around. Now imagine if they were in charge of all city parks……
March 23, 20241 yr 55 minutes ago, surfohio said: People just tend to hold onto old ideas of what "million dollar houses" look like. Where I'm from these 2BR/1BA summer shacks near the beach shot up to 100K and people laughed. Now they're all worth 7 or 8 times that at least. Location! Does anyone here think these residential prices would be anywhere near this amount if Edgewater Park was still in a deplorable state? New expensive housing was being built on the bluffs at least a decade before Metroparks took over management of Edgewater. The improvements to the park weren’t complete until 2017. The park is a lot nicer though. Edited March 23, 20241 yr by bumsquare
March 23, 20241 yr 18 hours ago, gruver said: I went with a buddy to view that house. It's nice, but as his wife said, "it's not a million dollars nice." Nice + location = 1m
March 23, 20241 yr It's 70%-100% more expensive than the neighborhood's priciest sales. Looks like $705,000 is the record (1314 W 58th) in September 2023 so far. If it sells, I imagine other properties will go on market ASAP. There are very few options north of Detroit at the moment, though you better believe there are some s**tty properties ripe for development.
March 23, 20241 yr Difference is there’s very very few properties that close to the “Edgewater bluff” that are single family. With a mix of zestimates and recent home sales here’s the current market of the neighborhood north of Detroit for the over 650k mark. over 650k: 18 over 700k: 13 over 800k: 5 Edited March 24, 20241 yr by BoomerangCleRes
March 23, 20241 yr Is that all from Zillow? I'm just going by comps, both sales and also sold within the last year, on Redfin since it's tied to MLS and, well, I have the app. Also, I've found, at least anecdotally, that off-market estimates are all over the map and not really a useful gauge.
March 23, 20241 yr 2 hours ago, TBideon said: It's 70%-100% more expensive than the neighborhood's priciest sales. Looks like $705,000 is the record (1314 W 58th) in September 2023 so far. Those are just what you see on the MLS. A lot of the pricier homes in this neighborhood are custom and do not even hit the market. My buddy built a nice townhome last year on W65 (across from the Edison) and his total investment including land acquisition was north of 1.2M.
March 23, 20241 yr On 3/22/2024 at 10:24 PM, marty15 said: Not even close. Metroparks changed the game. They create spaces that people want to be a part of, and live around. Now imagine if they were in charge of all city parks…… I tried to reach out to the CDC about a pocket park that has been severely vandalized on my block but they never responded. I was offering to help with cleanup too. Am I allowed to just start working on it myself? It's a rougher part of Detroit Shoreway and I feel like allowing it to sit covered in graffiti just sends a message that nobody gives a ****.
March 23, 20241 yr Get a buddy and put on a couple of orange construction vests then get to work, man! 😉 "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
March 24, 20241 yr 11 hours ago, KJP said: Get a buddy and put on a couple of orange construction vests then get to work, man! 😉 Tactical urbanism at its finest!
March 24, 20241 yr 17 hours ago, holacomoestas said: I tried to reach out to the CDC about a pocket park that has been severely vandalized on my block but they never responded. I was offering to help with cleanup too. Am I allowed to just start working on it myself? It's a rougher part of Detroit Shoreway and I feel like allowing it to sit covered in graffiti just sends a message that nobody gives a ****. Let's create a Urban Ohio flash mob cleanup! Some evening this week with nice weather? I'm in! 👍👍👍 Edited March 24, 20241 yr by Paul in Cleveland
March 24, 20241 yr On 3/22/2024 at 3:31 PM, gruver said: I went with a buddy to view that house. It's nice, but as his wife said, "it's not a million dollars nice." Welp, it’s already under contract and received multiple bids over 1M.
March 24, 20241 yr In less than 2 days? That is madness and awesome at the same time. And their neighbor has been on market for 78 days at $310,000. https://www.redfin.com/OH/Cleveland/1240-W-67th-St-44102/home/70720116 I wonder why a developer hasn't picked it up yet. Demolition is probably $15,000. Maybe another $450,000 to build a comparable house to 1216 W 67th. Seems like a pretty good profit if you price the new home in the mid $800,000/early $900,000s. 2 days. Jaysus, that's so good to hear. Edited March 24, 20241 yr by TBideon
March 24, 20241 yr 47 minutes ago, TBideon said: And their neighbor has been on market for 78 days at $310,000. https://www.redfin.com/OH/Cleveland/1240-W-67th-St-44102/home/70720116 I wonder why a developer hasn't picked it up yet. Demolition is probably $15,000. Maybe another $450,000 to build a comparable house to 1216 W 67th. The demo figure is accurate but building a comparable house would take 200k more than you’re estimating. Edited March 24, 20241 yr by Clefan98
March 24, 20241 yr Well, maybe they can price the new one at $975k then. Decent profit still. Edited March 24, 20241 yr by TBideon
March 24, 20241 yr 27 minutes ago, TBideon said: Well, maybe they can price the new one at $975k then. Decent profit still. You’re not accounting for realtor commission, closing costs and taxes.
March 24, 20241 yr 1 hour ago, Clefan98 said: The demo figure is accurate but building a comparable house would take 200k more than you’re estimating. What? I could build the same exact thing for 1/10 that cost. -Geis
March 24, 20241 yr 1 hour ago, surfohio said: What? I could build the same exact thing for 1/10 that cost. -Geis -Cosign Ryan Homes
March 30, 20241 yr On 2/2/2024 at 2:35 PM, BoomerangCleRes said: Option 1 of 3 of a “temporary” pocket park I wonder what this will end up looking like as it doesn’t follow any of the concepts. Curious if they’re ditching the true pocketpark concept because if they’re just doing mulch and plants now should we take that as a sign of cost cutting or doing less now because they know they’ll do the retail building sooner and it’s not worth the price of the other materials just the rip them up Well an inspector passed by and saw the unapproved dog park and waived it as illegal. The welleon ended up at landmarks this past meeting, which basically the welleon described how they knowingly departed from the initial designs without approval and basically asked to continue as installed. This is the second occurrence of a developer doing this along Detroit in Gordon square this year. To Welleon’s credit, aside from this decision by them they previously had a great back and forth with the city
April 3, 20241 yr On 3/30/2024 at 11:38 AM, BoomerangCleRes said: Well an inspector passed by and saw the unapproved dog park and waived it as illegal. The welleon ended up at landmarks this past meeting, which basically the welleon described how they knowingly departed from the initial designs without approval and basically asked to continue as installed. This is the second occurrence of a developer doing this along Detroit in Gordon square this year. To Welleon’s credit, aside from this decision by them they previously had a great back and forth with the city I hope the City hammers them. It's total BS.
April 15, 20241 yr I'm from a large, Irish family and was the third fourth generation of the same to get married at St. Colman, so it holds a special place in my heart... But even for those of you secular folks who are interested in history and architecture, this is a cool little documentary and worth a watch...
April 15, 20241 yr I'm agnostic but l do appreciate these magnificant old school churches. Not just for their architecture but what they meant for the neighborhood in their day. Oh well, another place, another time.
April 15, 20241 yr There are lots of beautiful old churches in Cleveland. They don't build them like that anymore.
April 15, 20241 yr I've visited a lot of cities and when I come back to Cleveland, I realize, most of those other cities don't have these beautiful churches.
April 18, 20241 yr Fleeting thought: If a developer could somehow purchase this Rite Aid property and all its land, there is some great potential for another apartment & townhouse development. The housing corridors on Franklin and Clinton can be extended with townhouses and then apartments over a Rite Aid fronting W 65th. Just a thought.....
April 18, 20241 yr 3 hours ago, Eastside said: Fleeting thought: If a developer could somehow purchase this Rite Aid property and all its land, there is some great potential for another apartment & townhouse development. The housing corridors on Franklin and Clinton can be extended with townhouses and then apartments over a Rite Aid fronting W 65th. Just a thought..... I'm gonna go out on a limb and guess that you have not met the Franklin Boulevard Block Club.
May 4, 20241 yr This is too bad. I love Salt+ and we went to Poppy for the first time last night and it was unsurprisingly delicious. I'm sure this concept would have been just as stellar. The Salt Team Is Moving On from Its Evelyn Tapas Project By Douglas Trattner Two years ago, partners Jill Vedaa and Jessica Parkison announced that they were taking over the former Spice Kitchen property at the corner of Detroit and West 58th Street in Gordon Square. A few months later they had a name and concept for the property: Evelyn, named after Vedaa's mother, would offer an "elevated tapas" experience. Today, the Salt owners have announced publicly for the first time that the project is dead. ... Reached for additional comment, Vedda added, "Ultimately, it was an incredibly hard decision, but in order for Salt and Poppy to continue to do well we had to make this sacrifice. It's heartbreaking because we had such amazing plans for the space. We definitely wanted to sell to someone that understood the legacy and beauty of the build and I think we accomplished that." https://clevelandmagazine.com/food-drink/articles/the-salt-team-is-moving-on-from-its-evelyn-tapas-project
May 8, 20241 yr Community meeting regarding the Watterson-Lake development. Zooming in on the pics, it looks like they properly addressed having a single story structure fronting Detroit.
May 9, 20241 yr I still cringe at the 30-80% AMI range. Based on my understanding of the extremely-low median income in our city, someone could walk 100 yards up Detroit from this development to the McDonalds, hold a job there for a year, and then make too much money to qualify for this housing. I wish they had targeted a wider economic range.
May 9, 20241 yr 4 hours ago, ML11 said: I still cringe at the 30-80% AMI range. Based on my understanding of the extremely-low median income in our city, someone could walk 100 yards up Detroit from this development to the McDonalds, hold a job there for a year, and then make too much money to qualify for this housing. I wish they had targeted a wider economic range. I was curious so I went onto the HUD site and found the actual numbers. For reference the 19k/1 person equates to about $9/hr assuming 40hr weeks: Source: https://www.huduser.gov/portal/datasets/home-datasets/files/HOME_IncomeLmts_State_OH_2023.pdf
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