hopefully when the market stops taking a crap, I can buy a home in the neighborhood.   

 

Unless you have to sell a home to buy a new one, now is a great time to be in the buyers market, assuming you can get financing.

 

but maybe he or she has to sell a house first before being able to purchase another.

 

yep, thus:"Unless you have to sell a home to buy a new one"

 

I am very worried about the stability in Ohio City and Detroit Shoreway. On one hand, it's a great opportunity for first time buyers, but peabody is correct about more boarded up houses on their way.

I am very worried about the stability in Ohio City and Detroit Shoreway. On one hand, it's a great opportunity for first time buyers, but peabody is correct about more boarded up houses on their way.

 

Hopefully the synergy of the new housing developments in the area will make those boarded up homes attractive for rehab with the tax abatement in play.  The key is to just maintain the forward momentum which is easier said than done, but I have to say I like the chances of the area.

^ And particularly in the northern section of Detroit Shoreway, the neighborhood is posed to have an AMAZING buzz over the next few years, what with the three new/renovated art spaces, further development in Battery Park, infrastructure improvements along Detroit and (hopefully) the shoreway to boulevard conversion.

 

With a tightening local housing market, we would be wise to put a LOT more investment into demand-side marketing of city neighborhoods to transplants. Tours like the one Map Boy did for PR Newswire and the ones Blinker does through Emerging Cleveland have the potential to steer these consumers at a relative low cost. And I think neighborhoods like Detroit Shoreway and Ohio City would be particularly poised for people moving in (hopefully, a portion of them would be interested in the type of rehab challenges you're describing).

Who's got the dirt on this building on W. 69th?  It's on the market...

I called on it a few weeks ago - it was longtime a neighborhood bar then it got rezoned around 2000/2001 into residential but many of the older features remain - ceiling, bar, second kitchen.  It's a beautiful space, but pretty isolated, and difficult access.

 

Pretty good price though, IMO

isolated and access difficulties if you were going to reopen it as a bar?  Seems like it would be an awesome spot to live!  plus, you'll have your new bar just around the corner on 65th!

Oh I agree - it's a unique residential space!  I was referring to what I presume was the reasoning for the rezoning....

Who's got the dirt on this building on W. 69th?  It's on the market...

 

This was featured on HG TV a while back.  It is still owned by the Zitiello's.  It is across the street from my grandmother's family building (Isabella) which originally housed the Isabella Bakery and Mazzarella Grocery.

What is the asking price?

 

 

Cleveland Tavern

Building Character : Episode BDC-509 -- More Projects »

 

Rose and Peter Zitiello has always been interested in Cleveland’s history, and finally they just went and bought a piece of it. The structure was built in 1906 by relatives of Peter and saw service as a tavern and a church. During Prohibition it was turned into a speakeasy. It was operating as a private social club when the Zitiellos bought it in the early 1980s.

It was very important to Rose and Peter to maintain the building’s original features. The most identifiable piece of the past is, of course, the bar. Even after they painted the surrounding walls pink, the bar still looks like it was taken right from the home of Jay Gatsby. It’s easy to imagine the parties taking place in that room. The basement still includes a platform for wine barrels.

 

The whole conversion process took about a year and a half, which isn’t bad considering all the work that had to be done. The second floor was made up of very small rooms without closets or bathrooms. The Zitiellos knocked down those walls, added a bathroom, a second kitchen and a dining area.

 

 

http://www.hgtv.com/hgtv/rm_restoration_other/article/0,,HGTV_3788_3384844,00.html

 

245k

Is it set up for multiple apartments now, or a single residence?  It is very close to the end of the street, and I'm sure there is a great view of the lake from the roof.  That price would be in line with the condos at the end of the street.

That place is super cool.

69th and what? Having a hard time picturing this location.

 

On an unrelated note, does anyone know if there are any firm plans to redevelop the old Watterson-Lake school building at Detroit & 74th? This is an absolutely breathtaking building in an amazing location. Definitely my favorite vacant building of late. 

Wow, thanks Dan!  I figured I'd get the answers here.

 

Good question 8Shades... I've been wondering that myself.  The school still appears to be operating in the adjacent building, which is physically attached, but the old building on the corner is all boarded up.  No idea on that one.  I'll ask around, though!

^ If nothing's going on with it, let's buy it!

It is single family. I saw it on HGTV and it is pretty sweet.

 

Property Type: Residential / One Family

School District: Cleveland City

County: Cuyahoga

Year Built: 1906

Warranty: N

Heat System: Forced Air, Baseboard

Heat Source: Electric, Gas

Cooling: None

Siding: Brick, Stucco

Style: Other

Basement: Full, Unfinished

View: City View, Lake Erie

Taxes (half year): $767

Roof: Asphalt/Fiberglass

Fence: Brick/Stone

Water/Sewer: Public Sewer, Public Water

Exterior Features: Patio, Deck, Balcony

Zoning: Residential

Parking: Paved, Detached, 1 Car

Appliances: Electric Dryer Connection, Electric Stove Connection, Gas Dryer Connection, Gas Stove Connection, Wet Bar, Whirlpool/Hot Tub

Amenities: Park, Playground

Frontage: 56 ft

 

Search for MLS Number: 2385826 on the advanced search on progressiveurban.com

69th and what? Having a hard time picturing this location.

 

It is inbetween Herman and Father Caruso.

 

Speaking of Herman....does anyone know why it stops and starts and changes alignment the way it does?  The blocks on 73rd, 70th,  and 69th are pretty long, so it seems like it would have made sense for the street to go through.  I think I am just complaining because it makes the walk from Battery Park to Stone Mad longer!

North of Detroit obviously.  Just down the street from my Barone Bldg also, which you can see pictures of on page 3 of this thread.

Speaking of Herman....does anyone know why it stops and starts and changes alignment the way it does?  The blocks on 73rd, 70th,  and 69th are pretty long, so it seems like it would have made sense for the street to go through.  I think I am just complaining because it makes the walk from Battery Park to Stone Mad longer!

 

Yeah, that's a bummer.  I haven't looked closely enough, but is there any wiggle room for any sort of pedestrian path mid-block on W. 69th? 

Google Earth 1287 W. 69th St 44102, and you will see that there are homes on the west side of 69th opposite Herman Ave.  Behind these homes is a large parking lot on W. 70th.  Looks like you only have to run real fast between the houses for a shortcut!!

 

 

 

Yeah, that's a bummer.  I haven't looked closely enough, but is there any wiggle room for any sort of pedestrian path mid-block on W. 69th? 

 

ahh, just do another pedestrian tunnel. I hear that there's precedent for one in the area.

yeah, we can just move the one from W. 76th when they're done with it

Looks like we'll need one taking and a couple easements.  A worthy price for quicker access to the bar!

ok  frivolous side track. I pass through DS ALL the time. I love gypsy beans, but its been a while since I have sat  a spell in the nabe. I am ready to head out to the suburb  :lol:  for a DS happy hour. Is that Stone Mad open? where is it? I  also can't seem to find Redstones web site, even though I thought it was posted that they have one (yes I know how to google, but not spell). Does Cheddars have happy hour (as Snickers did)?... help me out folks. I think we should make sure DS gets a visit on a monthly get together sometime

Looks like we'll need one taking and a couple easements.  A worthy price for quicker access to the bar!

 

I remember KJP reporting that Marous had options on some propery to the immediate east of Battery Park. I wonder how much...  If those light industrial buildings could move to another part of the City, then Battery Park could very much become a part of the W.65th area.

I don't recall which properties either.

Reddstone's website can be found here: http://www.thereddstone.com/  Unforuntately, it has not been refreshed since before they opened, so their full menu is not listed.  Everything I have had there has been pretty tasty though including the Tuesday nickle wings!  The last I heard on Stone Mad was late this month, but delays seem to be the order of things, so I think "soon" is the closest we can get unless someone else is more in the know.

69th and what? Having a hard time picturing this location.

 

On an unrelated note, does anyone know if there are any firm plans to redevelop the old Watterson-Lake school building at Detroit & 74th? This is an absolutely breathtaking building in an amazing location. Definitely my favorite vacant building of late. 

 

Looks like we'll need one taking and a couple easements.  A worthy price for quicker access to the bar!

 

I remember KJP reporting that Marous had options on some propery to the immediate east of Battery Park. I wonder how much...  If those light industrial buildings could move to another part of the City, then Battery Park could very much become a part of the W.65th area.

 

Both of these are answered in the Detroit Shoreway master plan that I linked to a few posts up.  Basically, the answer is no there aren't firm plans for the Watterson-Lake Elementary building but they are trying to come up with something (see page 41), and the land being added to Battery Park is substantial. (page 18)

I stumbled across this forum and am blown away by the amount of buzz "the neighborhood" is getting. Althought I can sort of infer from some of the posts, I'm wondering if people are willing to indicate whether they grew up or have roots in this neighborhood or they're new to the area. I grew up down here and have long battled resistance to get people to come down and check out the area....(especially during the 4th of July or during the Italian Festival)...so I'm always amazed to see/hear about people moving into the area.

Grew up in University Heights, went to school at Ignatius, moved away for 10 years, returned to Cleveland and chose to rent in Ohio City for 2 years, bought a house in Detroit-Shoreway because of the relative affordability, amount of new development, intact history and architecture, proximity to lake, etc...  I would recommend it to my friends, but most of them already live in the neighborhood!

Long family roots in the neighborhood.  Grandparents emigrated to this neighborhood from the same village and married here.  Luigi Barone and Alfonsina Isabella.

Speaking of which, just had some work done on the front door of the Barone Bldg on 69th st.  If anyone drives by, let me know how it looks!  Working out of the country for a few months, and can't get there to check it out!

 

Map Boy....Ignatius grad myself...Class of 98.

DanB...that's how it all starts...the family roots. I'll try to swing by your place today and check out the updates.

Thanks! I've attached a pic of the "before" door!

 

Also, here's a link to a little family history from another thread.

 

http://www.urbanohio.com/forum2/index.php?topic=7516.msg76490#msg76490

Believe me...I know the door well. One of my best friends used to live in the house just to the north of you. His dad sold a few years ago, but I know the people there now too so I still make my rounds.

Thanks! I've attached a pic of the "before" door!

 

Also, here's a link to a little family history from another thread.

 

http://www.urbanohio.com/forum2/index.php?topic=7516.msg76490#msg76490

 

Wow! My Gradpartents immigrated from Rivisondoli about 45 miles north of Alvignano.

Map Boy....Ignatius grad myself...Class of 98.

DanB...that's how it all starts...the family roots. I'll try to swing by your place today and check out the updates.

 

Hey Big Drizzle, one of my good buddies graduated from Ignatius in '98, Ryan Farrell. Know him?

Map Boy....Ignatius grad myself...Class of 98.

DanB...that's how it all starts...the family roots. I'll try to swing by your place today and check out the updates.

 

Another Ignatius grad here. Class of 92.

 

I grew up in West Park, moved away for 10+ years, and have now settled in Ohio City for the long term with the wife and kid(s).

jonmoxon,

 

I do know Ryan, although I haven't seen him since we graduated. I went away for college and med school myself and just got back to Cleveland in July so I haven't seen most Iggy's guys since then and all the guys that I grew up with from Mt. Carmel all went to St. Ed's and graduated in the late 90s.

Grew up on the east side, Euclid to be specific, went to Kent for under grad, and Grad school in Cleveland and moved to D.S. almost four years ago with my bride.  Love the neighborhood and it just keeps getting better.

if you gotta shop on Black Friday, do it in the Detroit Shoreway neighborhood - a few stores will be having their grand openings....

very nice!

I sure would have loved to put that in this week's West Side Sun News. One of the staffers at DSCDO sent me an e-mail with nothing in it (twice). I wonder if that's what he was trying to send to me?? I meant to tell him to instead try faxing whatever it was -- but I got busy with a couple of other stories and forgot all about it.

 

I'll see about getting it posted in our blog at Cleveland.com.

^that'd be great.  I stopped in at Gypsy this morning and they have fliers out.  They also did a mailing, but very true that media should be getting in on the party too.

 

In related news, I ran by the strip yesterday and was delighted to see lights on in 5 consecutive storefronts!  (the newest shops look great, by the way) I've heard that Luxe (just west of these shops) is trying to open by the end of '07, which will extend the action even further.  Continuing east, Gypsy was lit up and the gallery to the east has extended its displays into the old bookstore windows.  The snowflakes are up on the electric poles and the whole thing looks great!

 

As for that last note, I hope they have a plan for continuing the snowflake program even when the utility lines are buried...

Not a gallery, but DSCDO helped this group of artists do a temporary show in one of the vacant storefronts. The artists' work is really good, too.

 

Convergence, November 23 - January 4

6706 Detroit Avenue

Opening Reception, November 23rd, 7 p.m.

 

"Convergence" outlines two very talented artists with completely different approaches to expressing their perception of the world and community. Long time friends, John G, illustrator, and Billy Delfs, photographer, epitomize the foundation of which this effort stands. "Convergence is musicians, artists, friends, onlookers and occupants within this city coming together to meet at a common ground.

 

With musical performances by Uno Lady, Pablo Miguel, Blessi Anonyon Atu, Sim & Chris

 

John G, http://ninepanelgrid.blogspot.com

Billy Delfs, www.billydelfs.com

 

 

Nice!  I know one of those musical artists at least!

I stopped by the Shoreway on Friday night and was so impressed with the new stores. Room Service, especially, is awesome -- lots of funky, hipstery stuff that is exactly in keeping with the vibe this neighborhood is going for. It's a touch pricey, but it has the feel of a place that will last. Duo Home was very classy, too, but way out of my price range. I hope they find an audience of people with greater means than I! Kitsch City seems to have matured a bit, with an expanded selection and funnier joke gifts. When I was first there a couple months ago, I thought it was not long for this world, but it seems to have hit a stride. Finally, The Detroit Studio's line of T-shirts (some of them Cleveland-themed) was fantastic and affordable. I'll definitely be back for some of those.

 

I'm worried about Latitude 41. We passed by a couple times between 6 and 8 p.m. on a Friday night and barely a soul to be seen inside. Cheddars was doing great business though.

[broken record] Does Latitude 41 have a web site?[/] Have they done anything to market themselves beyond signs in the window and neighborhood promos? A simple google search turns up nothing but an Free Times article mentioning their opening and that they're an "upscale wifi diner". That's all well and good but uhhh... that doesn't make them unique. I searched the cleveland.com Food forum (one of the few at cleveland.com that's worth mentioning) and nada. Michael Symon participates there and it's not like he needs to do to that to grow his business. They need to provide some compelling reasons to go there beyond "we're new and local" - and ways for people who go to spread the word.

I was voicing the same concern as B12 about Latitude 41.  I've never seen a single person in there!  I still haven't made it myself.

 

I also concur with most of your review of the new shops.  I loved Room Service.  The goods were reminiscent of Banyan Tree, but with a different shop decor.  I was very impressed with what the owner put together on short notice.  Lots of great gift items.  She's expecting much more stock in the coming weeks and looks to know what she's doing with merchandising, purchasing, etc.  A nice touch was the digital photo frame by her register that had construction photos of the rehab process.  The space is beautiful and it took a ton of work!

 

Duo Home was a little fancy for me, but the shop looks great.  There were definitely expensive items in both shops, but I found some cheaper stuff on the shelves too.  Vases, candle holders, etc. for under $10.

 

I'd never been into Detroit Studio before and was pleasantly surprised by the amount of retail goods they had in stock.  Paper items, great tees, and more.  Definitely worth stopping in when in the neighborhood!

 

In total, these four shops (I left out Kitsch City) add a lot to the district and really start to give Gordon Square an address for more than just theater and food!  They had a nice mention in the PD on Friday too as an alternative to the standard "Black Friday" shopping options.  Go D-S!

I was over in Gordon Square on Friday, too, and the addition of the stores is really increasing the energy of that spot. Those few extra retail spots really lent the nabe a pedestrian flavor, particularly because those four shops are all adjacent to each other. The art show I mentioned a couple posts up also had a good showing, particularly given that it was a holiday weekend.

 

I'd like to take this opportunity to say what a great job Detroit Shoreway Community Development Organization is doing. It's my understanding that they've been VERY proactive about filling the vacant storefronts along Detroit and VERY helpful to new retail establishments starting up. If we could magnify their efforts to build the capacity of hip, local entrepreneurs to open up shops throughout the city, that alone would have a profound effect on how Northeast Ohioans view those of us living in the "numbered streets".

I'm worried about Latitude 41. We passed by a couple times between 6 and 8 p.m. on a Friday night and barely a soul to be seen inside. Cheddars was doing great business though.

 

With so little marketing, they're setting themselves up for a fall. But if they close, I'm sure it will give the PD an opportunity to say "Another neighborhood retailer in Cleveland closes!"