July 11, 2024Jul 11 1 hour ago, Ethan said: I might be the most pro park person on this forum, but I can't see this area ever being a decent park unless the Shoreway is dieted or closed, which isn't in the near future. Build something there and hide the Shoreway with a nice urban canyon. That would help make it feel like a complete street with a built out urban connection to Gordon Square. I actually go the other way here. Despite the noise from the shoreway, which isn't too bad outside of rush hour, it's one of the best sunset spots in the city. You're a little over 100 feet above the lake with a pretty unobstructed view of the water, sky, and the Gold Coast towers in the distance. The greenery, views, and depending on the time of year, the breeze, are a nice to have on a walk/bike that's 30% empty buildings and concrete that's in rough shape down Detroit. Some basic seating and a little extra effort with landscaping could make a great place for more people other than Hingetown dog owners. Edited July 11, 2024Jul 11 by PlanCleveland Typo
July 11, 2024Jul 11 31 minutes ago, PlanCleveland said: I actually go the other way here. Despite the noise from the shoreway, which isn't too bad outside of rush hour, it's one of the best sunset spots in the city. You're a little over 100 feet about the lake with a pretty unobstructed view of the water, sky, and the Gold Coast towers in the distance. The greenery, views, and depending on the time of year, the breeze, are a nice to have on a walk/bike that's 30% empty buildings and concrete that's in rough shape down Detroit. Some basic seating and a little extra effort with landscaping could make a great place for more people other than Hingetown dog owners. Shrug, I'd be happy to be proven wrong. It's always felt more like a highway median/entrance strip than a park or anything vaguely resembling nature to me. I don't see how a few benches or fancy landscaping would change that, but I'd be glad to see that my imagination was simply insufficient in this case.
July 11, 2024Jul 11 20 minutes ago, gruver said: I will chain myself to those trees before I let them come down. I’d agree the opportunity lies in the properties south of Detroit and west of the “park”. id agree with others it feels like a highway in front of you with no protection from traffic
July 11, 2024Jul 11 I agree that there’s more opportunity with the industrial properties, but I don’t see them leaving anytime soon unless the city somehow incentivizes it. I can’t remember the exact number but I think I heard Kowalski wanted to sell for $20M… any takers? Refocusing in our own neighborhood, DuPont, Centers for Families and Children, Iglesia Misionera, and Leimkuhler would all need to be relocated to get any kind of significant connection to Ohio City. I would love to see it happen, but I doubt there’s much political will to get that done. The church and Centers offer neighborhood value but don’t really need to be so prominently located. The rest of it belongs in Midtown or Opportunity Corridor from my POV
July 11, 2024Jul 11 2 minutes ago, Henke said: I agree that there’s more opportunity with the industrial properties, but I don’t see them leaving anytime soon unless the city somehow incentivizes it. I can’t remember the exact number but I think I heard Kowalski wanted to sell for $20M… any takers? Refocusing in our own neighborhood, DuPont, Centers for Families and Children, Iglesia Misionera, and Leimkuhler would all need to be relocated to get any kind of significant connection to Ohio City. I would love to see it happen, but I doubt there’s much political will to get that done. Seeing smoke billowing out of Kowalski at all hours of the night, and it’s not a tall stack, so it emanates at street level, is enough for me to never want to live anywhere near that place. Has anyone actually done any air quality tests over there?
July 11, 2024Jul 11 Trader Joe's would be a great replacement for the Rite Aid. While the location is a bit more inner city than TJs usually skews it would give them access to higher income residents in Lakewood, Ohio City, Edgewater, and Detroit Shoreway. And from the community perspective the prices are relatively affordable as far as grocery stores go. I'd argue an Aldi makes more sense for the immediate demographic but there are two within a 5-10 minutes drive already. TJs you have to go at least 20 minutes from any of the aforementioned neighborhoods.
July 11, 2024Jul 11 2 hours ago, marty15 said: Seeing smoke billowing out of Kowalski at all hours of the night, and it’s not a tall stack, so it emanates at street level, is enough for me to never want to live anywhere near that place. Has anyone actually done any air quality tests over there? I have wondered the same thing. There are times when there is a HEAVY haze/fog with a weird smell on Clinton and 38th behind their building.
July 11, 2024Jul 11 Trader Joe's would probably go to Lakewood before that Rite Aid location, or even Ohio City as it continues to develop along with the Scranton Peninsula. They definitely have inner city stores. How about just copy the Meijer store under apartments like we already have at E 105th & Cedar? I think something like that would do well and I'm sure the apartments would rent quickly. Edited July 11, 2024Jul 11 by Rustbelter
July 11, 2024Jul 11 35 minutes ago, Rustbelter said: Trader Joe's would probably go to Lakewood before that Rite Aid location, or even Ohio City as it continues to develop along with the Scranton Peninsula. They definitely have inner city stores. How about just copy the Meijer store under apartments like we already have at E 105th & Cedar? I think something like that would do well and I'm sure the apartments would rent quickly. I’m sure that would do well. Welleon is the only market rate building in the somewhat center of GS and look at that success. I’ve been hearing for years from people that would love to live in the direct center of GS, but there is nothing market rate. Welleon really exposed the demand.
July 16, 2024Jul 16 On 7/9/2024 at 1:27 PM, marty15 said: The Rite -Aid at 65th & Franklin will be permanently closing September 8th. That’ll be a pretty massive redevelopment site in the center of Gordon Square. I was so confused by this because I read a recent Crain's article from July 1 that listed additional Rite Aid closings. The Franklin Rite Aid wasn't among them, so I thought I was safe https://www.crainscleveland.com/retail/rite-aid-closing-more-ohio-locations-during-bankruptcy But then I found an earlier article (https://www.crainscleveland.com/retail/rite-aid-likely-close-hundreds-pharmacies-ohio-and-michigan) that said: Quote "Even so, Rite Aid on Monday held a conference call with its Michigan and Ohio pharmacists and told them it would close all but a tiny number of its stores in a series of waves over the coming weeks." It's really confusing (and imo unethical and potentially dangerous) that they aren't being more transparent about this with their customers so we can be proactive about transitioning to a pharmacy of our choice. I'm a physician and so many people have trouble managing prescriptions on a good day, much less with something like this injected into it. Supposedly they're going to send letters out, but I haven't received anything. That second article noted: Quote "Yet it’s not clear why the companies involved aren’t talking publicly about the closures so customers can plan. Among the questions Walgreens didn’t respond to: Were the companies delaying an announcement so that Rite Aid customers would have less time to find an alternative to Walgreens, thus making the Rite Aid files it purchased more valuable?" It would be great if this would open space for more independently owned mom/pop pharmacies, but I'm not holding my breath. Edited July 16, 2024Jul 16 by Jax
July 16, 2024Jul 16 Erieview, Shoreway towers win financing By Ken Prendergast / July 16, 2024 Today, the Cleveland-Cuyahoga County Port Authority’s board approved $144 million worth of financing toward development projects with a combined price tag totaling $206.1 million. The projects include one new-construction residential tower near Edgewater Park, one renovated and converted Downtown Cleveland office tower, and a major expansion and renovation of middle school facilities in Shaker Heights. MORE: https://neo-trans.blog/2024/07/16/erieview-shoreway-towers-win-financing/ "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
July 17, 2024Jul 17 So, if you have an apartment in the cleavage of the building, is your view into your neighbor's apartment?
July 17, 2024Jul 17 3 hours ago, math said: So, if you have an apartment in the cleavage of the building, is your view into your neighbor's apartment? Maybe fold is one floor plan so you’re just looking into your own apartment
July 19, 2024Jul 19 West 73rd Apartments site on the market By Ken Prendergast / July 19, 2024 In a move that came as a surprise to some members of its own development team, a New York-based developer has decided to sell one of the last-remaining open development sites in Cleveland’s hot Gordon Square neighborhood near Lake Erie. The offering of 1321-1357 W. 73rd St. comes after its owner, Joe Zagelbaum of Brooklyn, NY, went through a year-long process to get plans approved by the city for a 196-unit apartment complex. MORE: https://neo-trans.blog/2024/07/19/west-73rd-apartments-site-on-the-market/ "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
July 19, 2024Jul 19 A real bummer given how much blood sweat and tears the development team had to put in to this project to get it finally approved by PC. I wonder how common it is for a new developer to buy the actual plans of a seller, No matter how advantageous, and especially for such a large project. If that doesn’t happen, I imagine the site will sit vacant for quite some time. I wonder if this is another instance of a developer having financial problems or whether they are trying to make a quick buck. I imagine they’ve already put in a lot of money give the lengthy approval process they went through and the demolition they completed so I don’t know if they are going to retire to the Caribbean based on this sale.
July 19, 2024Jul 19 Good designer too love the work Horton Harper does just feel like his work more times than not rarely ends up seeing a shovel in the ground. stinks of an opportunity for gies to fill something average.
July 19, 2024Jul 19 2 minutes ago, BoomerangCleRes said: Good designer too love the work Horton Harper does just feel like his work more times than not rarely ends up seeing a shovel in the ground. stinks of an opportunity for gies to fill something average. If there is a God, this can’t happen.
July 21, 2024Jul 21 Promising news on Shoreway tower, which looks amazing. Not so good news on 73rd - seems wild to me that this site just can't get off the ground.
July 22, 2024Jul 22 21 minutes ago, marty15 said: Cross your fingers, but I heard Walz is breaking ground in the coming weeks. Which one is that one again?
July 22, 2024Jul 22 7 minutes ago, JB said: Which one is that one again? 80th & Detroit. Library and apartments.
July 22, 2024Jul 22 1 hour ago, marty15 said: Cross your fingers, but I heard Walz is breaking ground in the coming weeks. Great to hear. That stretch of Detroit really needs some TLC.
July 22, 2024Jul 22 I've got friends on 77th and Detroit. Between this and the W 75th project, that could bring a big boost to the area. Just need something to open up between the paddleball sculpture and local west, which will probably eventually happen if these projects get built.
July 22, 2024Jul 22 1 hour ago, daybreaker said: I've got friends on 77th and Detroit. Between this and the W 75th project, that could bring a big boost to the area. Just need something to open up between the paddleball sculpture and local west, which will probably eventually happen if these projects get built. REALLY hoping this design for the Detroit/Lake/W75 intersection from the city's TOD presentation a few months ago becomes reality soon.
July 22, 2024Jul 22 On 7/11/2024 at 12:06 PM, PlanCleveland said: The stretch from around w32 to w54 feels like you shouldn't be there. It's similar to parts of Lorain where the sidewalk is so dirty and in such bad shape. Just like the bike lane on Detroit. It seems like an easy win to just clean it up a bit. I know all of the focus is on the Lorain Bikeway, but just making Detroit's nicer is another easy win. Most of Detroit out to w54 only has parking on one side of the street already, move the eastbound bike lane to the other side of the street and create another 2 lane bikeway that would eventually connect to the Public Square to e55 project. The westbound bike lane is already wide enough for traffic in both directions for most of this stretch. Then you would have a protected bikeway from e55 to at least w54, and the offshoot to Edgewater. I did a quick lil mock up of potential bike lanes over here, since this is just a bike idea for both this thread and OHC. If the desire was there from the city, 99% of this could be tested out starting tomorrow with some paint and planters.
July 23, 2024Jul 23 5 hours ago, PlanCleveland said: REALLY hoping this design for the Detroit/Lake/W75 intersection from the city's TOD presentation a few months ago becomes reality soon. Yes, would really like to see this happen. This SHOULD be THE lynch-pin neighborhood the ties together Edgewater with Gordon Square. To my knowledge there is no real action right now from any developers at this intersection....but I'd love to be told differently.
July 23, 2024Jul 23 2 hours ago, Rustbelter said: Yes, would really like to see this happen. This SHOULD be THE lynch-pin neighborhood the ties together Edgewater with Gordon Square. To my knowledge there is no real action right now from any developers at this intersection....but I'd love to be told differently. Maybe a little something brewing at that intersection. It appears local real estate investor, Adam Hayoun recently purchased this vacant parcel in April.
July 23, 2024Jul 23 Shhh.... "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
July 24, 2024Jul 24 Welleon gets an ‘A’ in testing Cleveland’s market By Ken Prendergast / July 23, 2024 It used to be rare to see a newly constructed Cleveland apartment building filling out at rents of more than $2 per square foot and leasing out in less than two years. But those were the old days — “way back” in the 2010s. Today, it’s common to see luxury buildings, even those that are not downtown skyscrapers, rent out in a year or less. But not at the rents Welleon just commanded. MORE: https://neo-trans.blog/2024/07/23/welleon-gets-an-a-in-testing-clevelands-market/ "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
July 24, 2024Jul 24 Although smaller and not as grand I think breakwater lofts also had a pretty impressive lease out timeline and with less amenities
July 24, 2024Jul 24 Really like the look and quality of the Welleon. Per Bond Street's website this is the only building listed in their portfolio, so hopefully they have something else cooking.
July 24, 2024Jul 24 In case any developers are eyeing Welleon's success with interest, there's several parking lots around W61st and Detroit, just saying...
July 24, 2024Jul 24 11 hours ago, Ethan said: In case any developers are eyeing Welleon's success with interest, there's several parking lots around W61st and Detroit, just saying... I'm sure I'm missing a few, but plenty of opportunities out there ranging from vacant lots to vacant pharmacies to dilapidated dollar stores, c-stores, and Subways. If you add the sections bordering Lake Ave + the lots near the HS on Detroit, there might be as much undeveloped land as there is developed land in wider Detroit Shoreway.
July 24, 2024Jul 24 20 minutes ago, ML11 said: I'm sure I'm missing a few, but plenty of opportunities out there ranging from vacant lots to vacant pharmacies to dilapidated dollar stores, c-stores, and Subways. If you add the sections bordering Lake Ave + the lots near the HS on Detroit, there might be as much undeveloped land as there is developed land in wider Detroit Shoreway. I wonder if one of the impediments to rapidly developing Detroit Rd and Detroit adjacent areas is the continuing perception of landowners that their properties are worth more than they realistically are. This apparently has been an issue in the past and has stalled projects when developers found the numbers did not work or perhaps did not feel like getting hosed. Edited July 24, 2024Jul 24 by Htsguy
July 24, 2024Jul 24 I did see there was a building for sale on Detroit somewhere between old86 and Cleveland bagel, you can see signs that say for sale by owner I’ll try to get pic next time
July 24, 2024Jul 24 1 hour ago, ML11 said: I'm sure I'm missing a few, but plenty of opportunities out there ranging from vacant lots to vacant pharmacies to dilapidated dollar stores, c-stores, and Subways. If you add the sections bordering Lake Ave + the lots near the HS on Detroit, there might be as much undeveloped land as there is developed land in wider Detroit Shoreway. I also think the south side of Detroit from W59th to W64th could be a candidate for a Bolivar (building over) or Intro (promise existing retailers space in future building) style development. Lots of surface parking, only a few businesses that would need to be preserved or replaced. Of course this isn't likely due to lots of moving parts, perceived parking needs of existing tenants, and required creativity on the part of the developer, but the transformative potential of a development here would be huge. Realistically speaking, this is just a crazy idea, and won't happen, but it's fun to speculate about. The Cleveland Public Theater lot on the north side of the street is the far more likely candidate.
July 24, 2024Jul 24 15 hours ago, KJP said: Welleon gets an ‘A’ in testing Cleveland’s market By Ken Prendergast / July 23, 2024 It used to be rare to see a newly constructed Cleveland apartment building filling out at rents of more than $2 per square foot and leasing out in less than two years. But those were the old days — “way back” in the 2010s. Today, it’s common to see luxury buildings, even those that are not downtown skyscrapers, rent out in a year or less. But not at the rents Welleon just commanded. MORE: https://neo-trans.blog/2024/07/23/welleon-gets-an-a-in-testing-clevelands-market/ Should be noted as well as far as a follow on project the surface parking lot is really not needed, the building is just about full and there’s plenty of spots available in the garage and not many use the unprotected lot I see more people park in it “illegally” for Astoria or banter. counter to what the folks may say in the planning meetings there’s more than enough street parking around the building for people that don’t want to pay for garage parking. so anyway as the developers mentioned in the planning meeting early on they should have no problem putting in a building in front of the lot and taking away some parking however don’t love how much was put into the dog park makes me think it could be a longer term thing
July 24, 2024Jul 24 4 hours ago, ML11 said: I'm sure I'm missing a few, but plenty of opportunities out there ranging from vacant lots to vacant pharmacies to dilapidated dollar stores, c-stores, and Subways. If you add the sections bordering Lake Ave + the lots near the HS on Detroit, there might be as much undeveloped land as there is developed land in wider Detroit Shoreway. And then another 5 or 6 acres just to the right of this screenshot with the used car dealers, another large parking lot, and that mess of buildings next to Guanaquitas. All of this potential space for such a great neighborhood is why I always bring up a streetcar going from West Blvd to Tremont using Detroit and sharing track on W25 with a Public Square(or E55) to Old Brooklyn line. 75% of this open land would probably be filled within a decade. The near Westside would be one of the premier neighborhoods in the Midwest. It will never happen, but it's fun to dream about https://urbanohio.com/topic/419-cleveland-transit-ideas-for-the-future/?do=findComment&comment=1146860
July 25, 2024Jul 25 On 7/9/2024 at 5:53 PM, marty15 said: I agree. It’s been so convenient having them in the neighborhood. Gonna be a big loss. It’s to the point that if you live on the west side, other than downtown and OHC, you have to go to Lakewood for everything. The pharmacy actually closes at the end of the month. The shelves in there are all pretty bare already. What do you mean OHC? We don't have a pharmacy here. You've got to drive to Lakewood for that. Its one of the worst aspects of living on the west side. There are no CVS or Walgreens anywhere to walk to. Edited July 25, 2024Jul 25 by ASP1984
July 25, 2024Jul 25 1 minute ago, ASP1984 said: What do you mean OHC? We don't have a pharmacy here. You've got to drive to Lakewood for that. Its one of the worst aspects of living on the west side. There are no CVS or Walgreens anywhere to walk to. Technically Lutheran has a pharmacy Albeit with pretty crap hours but it is there
July 25, 2024Jul 25 1 hour ago, ASP1984 said: What do you mean OHC? We don't have a pharmacy here. You've got to drive to Lakewood for that. Its one of the worst aspects of living on the west side. There are no CVS or Walgreens anywhere to walk to. Downtown AND OHC. And it was a generalization of general things. Downtown has a CVS and Heinen’s. OHC has a Dave’s. Between there and Lakewood it’s a dead zone.
July 25, 2024Jul 25 There's a pharmacy at the Ohio City Health Center https://www.metrohealth.org/locations/ohio-city-health-center But there should be something open 24/7 on the near-west side. "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
July 25, 2024Jul 25 On 7/24/2024 at 10:28 AM, ML11 said: I'm sure I'm missing a few, but plenty of opportunities out there ranging from vacant lots to vacant pharmacies to dilapidated dollar stores, c-stores, and Subways. If you add the sections bordering Lake Ave + the lots near the HS on Detroit, there might be as much undeveloped land as there is developed land in wider Detroit Shoreway. And this isn’t to mention potential projects to the north like HKM and Westinghouse. I’ve always found the space behind Astoria to be a bit peculiar, maybe they’ll get that developed one day too.
July 25, 2024Jul 25 13 minutes ago, Henke said: And this isn’t to mention potential projects to the north like HKM and Westinghouse. I’ve always found the space behind Astoria to be a bit peculiar, maybe they’ll get that developed one day too. Let's turn one of those blue squares into a CVS!
July 25, 2024Jul 25 2 hours ago, Henke said: I’ve always found the space behind Astoria to be a bit peculiar, maybe they’ll get that developed one day too. With some creativity that is an amazing space for a project.
August 17, 2024Aug 17 A press release from NW neighborhoods about the Karam Senior housing and Walz library project. https://www.nwneighborhoods.org/latest-posts/partnerships-push-karam-senior-living-towards-its-construction-as-a-place-where-anyone-can-thrive Northwest Neighborhoods is celebrating its completed fundraising for Karam Senior Living, which will add affordable senior housing to the new Cleveland Public Library (CPL) Walz Campus to West 80th Street and Detroit Avenue. A new award by Cuyahoga Metropolitan Housing Authority (CMHA) of 51 housing vouchers both deepens the project's affordability for future residents and allows development to proceed towards construction in 2025 and opening in 2026.
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