February 18, 200916 yr Could this possibly go through, this would be a great expansion for the convention center, just need more events to fill in other than the hockey games possibly bring back the amateur basketball team and the indoor football team.
February 19, 200916 yr This is being offered as an example proving Dayton can get an arena at $30M This 5,200 seat multi-purpose spectator facility in Hidalgo, Texas... Final Construction Cost: $15.5 million.. ...say, $2.9K/seat Comments?
February 19, 200916 yr thanks, i really want to get more involved in our cities development, i want to see us grow I would like to know when these city meetings are? i dont know of any sources for this information
February 19, 200916 yr The three downtown planning public input meetings are over. The last one was yesterday evening at Sinclair.
February 19, 200916 yr where can i find the info for such meetings? im pretty much in the dark when it comes to this stuff, im interested in any development meetings
February 19, 200916 yr Holy crap that's ugly. It's like a giant Hummer dealership. Hah! Yeah, I guess we are looking for something between this and that Youngstown arena.
February 19, 200916 yr Even if DHP is a "mistake" (btw, Portside was an indoor mall, not a park, so not a good comparison), why not build on surface lots instead? I don't buy the argument this has to be placed at the DHP site. There are plenty of surface lots where this could be done instead. It's not DHP's fault it's underutilized. Sure it's not exactly what people wanted, but it can be improved. Surface lots cannot be improved. They need to be filled in. There aren't any other "lots" nearby a convention center, a large garage, a transit center, and a hotel. Thus, Dave Hall Plaza is a natural choice. Also, regarding Portside, it was used as a failed space (buildings can sit in space as well) for a 'revival.' Thus, it was used. 937dytboi, welcome to UO! It's great to have another Daytonite on board! Daytonian And you damn well know NCR doesn't care about Dayton. Their history speaks for itself. Comparing NCR with Nationwide is just laughable. NCR cares about Georgia and New York, not Ohio. The CEO lives in New York! Symbolically, NCR is giving Dayton the middle finger. I actually have never heard of a company where the CEO lives that far away. In this economy, the arena will not get any big corporations. This is a depression in Ohio. I prefer keeping things realistic. You seem to want to shoot for the stars in places where the stars are clouded by six layers of overcast. Perhaps that's where we differ most on this. You think an Arena District is possible, while I think we'll be lucky to see anything built at all... Gee, sorry for *God forbid* optimism. Next time, maybe I should just follow the Detroit model and have Dayton build parking garages with Panda Expresses and call it "Asiatown" next time. "You don't just walk into a bar and mix it up by calling a girl fat" - buildingcincinnati speaking about new forumers
February 19, 200916 yr Yeah, I'm starting to think DHP is a stupid location for this imaginary hockey rink.
February 19, 200916 yr I don't know how much difference it made, but Indianapolis has its convention center next to the RCA dome, and they seem to be a very popular convention destination.
February 19, 200916 yr ^Bingo. Another great example on how to "do it right." "You don't just walk into a bar and mix it up by calling a girl fat" - buildingcincinnati speaking about new forumers
February 19, 200916 yr There aren't any other "lots" nearby a convention center, a large garage, a transit center, and a hotel. Thus, Dave Hall Plaza is a natural choice. Also, regarding Portside, it was used as a failed space (buildings can sit in space as well) for a 'revival.' Thus, it was used. Fair enough. I guess I could also see an arena working out closer to the Dayton Dragons. There are larger lots there with space for something like an arena. I know there is a desire to build arenas next to convention centers, but I don't entirely buy that argument. How much crossover between the two venues will there actually be? I suspect it's more hype than reality. Are there any examples of cities where having an arena next to a convention center made a big difference in business at the convention center? Gee, sorry for *God forbid* optimism. Next time, maybe I should just follow the Detroit model and have Dayton build parking garages with Panda Expresses and call it "Asiatown" next time. :lol: I could see the arena working better over by the Dragons too, C-dawg, and I would be estatic if they would retrofit one of the Mendelson/GM buildings into an arena (If such things can be done), but it would drive the price sky high because the infastructure is not in place like at Dave Hall. However, it probably would be a good idea to have a '"real" parking garage for the dragons, and with a hockey arena in that location, that would probably happen. So, maybe we can get ourselves an NBA team (hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha) and do that someday.
February 19, 200916 yr The arena district approach would work better by the Dragons ball field. You could have the type of closness they have in Toledo (ballfield a block from the arena), and arrange the parking as infill to drive more pedestrian traffic The problem is this would need something like Nationwide to fund, and Dayton just doesnt have that kind of economic big gun to make it happen. So DHP is sloppy seconds since its cheaper, and they will probably do a jazzed up Butler Building to keep costs down. You know this is going to suck given the desperation around downtown and the entrenched low -budget mentality.
February 21, 200916 yr Hmmm.. interesting, while nice.. does Dayton really need three arenas? Nutter Center has indicated that losing the Bombers will not be bad for them and will actually help them save a lot on operating costs. UD Arena has no ice capabilities (unless the retrofitted it like Nutter but from what I am told that was extremely expensive and has been full of structural problems). One could argue that Hara Arena fits the bill but is quite old; I've never been there but I'm told it is obsolete. A downtown arena would be a plus for the entire region. There is an online petition for people to show support for the proposed downtown arena and the Bombers - downtowndaytonarena.com. Even if you don't live near Dayton but support urban development over sprawl then please visit the site and consider signing it.
February 21, 200916 yr I posted about the Dodge Arena at DMM as an example of an arena done for less than $16 million. I guarantee that a downtown arena will not look that ugly. The city planning department is pretty strict when it comes to new downtown building design. CareSource had to come back multiple times before the BZA approved their design, and the biggest sticking point was how the building design treated the adjacent pedestrian sidewalk on Main St. Same with Schuster Center. Both of those have glass exteriors that are complimentary to the urban environment outside. There is no reason to think that if an arena goes in at DHP that it won't have the same requirements. If it can't be done with an acceptable design and at a feasible price then it won't get built at all. Those of you (Jeffery) that keep insisting that this is going to end up looking like an cheap ugly blank box are really being quite a downer. At this point this is a proposal, nothing more. So try to have an open mind. We already have enough naysayers in Dayton without urban advocates here being negative about it.
February 21, 200916 yr Both of those have glass exteriors that are complimentary to the urban environment outside. There is no reason to think that if an arena goes in at DHP that it won't have the same requirements. If it can't be done with an acceptable design and at a feasible price then it won't get built at all. Caresource was around $55M or so. And I am skeptical as to what the city would accept to land a project if they were actually considering putting a use like that tissue center on DHP.
February 22, 200916 yr Realistically, this is going to be a big box, because that is the nature of the space. It's how the exterior is treated is the the issue. In terms of context, there are only two sides of that block that needs to be considered with any sensitivity, and that's Main and 4th becuase there still is some context left. I dont consider the convention center and parking garage sides that important as those streetscapes have already been ruined.
February 24, 200916 yr Arena at Austin Pike is officially dead: http://www.daytondailynews.com/n/content/oh/story/news/local/2009/02/23/ddn022309arenaweb.html
February 25, 200916 yr ...and UO readers should check out the comments section at the link. There is actually some pushback against the usual flurry of negativity.
March 31, 200916 yr Oh well.... Guess maybe we can recrute another team, or should we move it to abadoned projects? ______________________________________________________________________________ Dayton Bombers Shutting Down Monday, March 30, 2009, 5:09pm EDT The Dayton Bombers are ceasing operations and will not play next season, league officials confirmed Monday. Brian McKenna, commissioner of the ECHL, the AA hockey league the Bombers have played in since 1990, said the Bombers and owner Costa Papista filed all necessary paperwork and notified the league it would not be playing in the 2009-2010 season. McKenna said the decision means the team will cease operations and will not be sold because there is nothing to sell. Papista could not be reached for comment, but Erin Falcon, director of business operations for the local hockey team, confirmed the team would not play next year. The Bombers posted a combined attendance of 132,454 over 36 games this season, for an average of 3,679 per game, according to league data. The attendance is up somewhat from last year’s season, which saw 3,663 average per game and 2006-207 which saw a 3,644 average. McKenna said the team had been financially struggling for some time and things worsened because of the economy. The decision to no longer participate in the league was a team decision, he added. More at http://www.daytondailynews.com
April 8, 200916 yr ^Anybody got an article? This is great to hear! (wish its major-leauge hockey this time)
April 8, 200916 yr ^Anybody got an article? This is great to hear! (wish its major-leauge hockey this time) Don't hold your breath.. Ohio will likely never see another NHL team, they are fighting to gain a fan base with one team in the state, let alone another an hour away.
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