This isn't the place for debating immigration law.  You can discuss that further here, if it is relevant to Cleveland specifically:

 

 

Or here, if it is for immigration policy nationally or more generally:

 

 

I thought this thread was locked?

2 hours ago, LibertyBlvd said:

I thought this thread was locked?

 

It was locked for a minute, then I unlocked it.  Posts related to immigration policy posted after my redirection post have, and will continue to be, deleted, of course.

19 hours ago, X said:

 

I don't think I'd be drawing trend lines and extrapolating from 2020, 2021, 2022 data.  There may have been something making those years a little unusual.

Totally agree. As I said—grain of salt.

 

Counterpoint though—everything did change in 2020 and this is the only data we have since.

24 minutes ago, LlamaLawyer said:

Totally agree. As I said—grain of salt.

 

Counterpoint though—everything did change in 2020 and this is the only data we have since.

 

Maybe.  I'm not sure how much "Everything changed" in 2020 is true, and how much it's a truism.  Certainly, some things changed.  Certainly, some previous trends were interrupted, but will resume.  Of course, nobody has really sussed all that out, and it will take decades to do so.  it's probably best to look at both post-2020 and longer term data to give context and nuance to the discussion.

Photo/info Credits to @Geowizical.

 

I believe the cuyahoga valley neighborhood should see a decent increase, in the near future, with the addition of all the new apartments in Scranton peninsula 

^same with Detroit- Shoreway … with all the new construction / infill these past 3-4 years.  

22 minutes ago, MuRrAy HiLL said:

^same with Detroit- Shoreway … with all the new construction / infill these past 3-4 years.  

Probably, but more housing units doesn't necessarily mean more people. Detroit Shoreway gained units from 2010-2020, but it wasn't enough to offset shrinking families. Similar story for a couple of other neighborhoods. Not saying we'll see more of that, just that housing units don't tell the whole story. 

 

From the stats and just visually being around the city, it appears as if healthy growth, in several neighborhoods, is there. But this is growth in more urban neighborhoods where it’s mostly townhomes and apartments. Which attracts the young single adult or newly married couple with no kids. 
 

When they have kids, for the most part, they move out of the city. 
 

What we’re missing, and badly need, is an influx of new single family homes in the 150k to 300k range in neighborhoods like Old Brooklyn and West Park. 
 

If anyone is familiar with the Mill Creek development that runs off of Turney Rd in Slavic Village or Scullin Dr in Kamm’s Corner. 
 

More of this type of housing is needed to allow the natural progression newly weds moving out of say Ohio City or Downtown to a less urban neighborhood in Cleveland instead of to the burbs. 
 

Thoughts ? 

Ironically (with the given loss shown above in Glenville and Fairfax), a TON of new single family housing are being built around University Circle these past two years.  
 

I know i’ve screenshotted similar views before, but the Glenville ones are a mix between new construction and renovations.  The Fairfax ones are all new construction.

 

A bit circumstantial evidence … but still very real!

 

Hough has also seen an uptick in new residential … again mostly in the past 2-4 years. 

Edited April 12, 20241 yr by MuRrAy HiLL

^what I’m talking about. 

4 hours ago, MuRrAy HiLL said:

^what I’m talking about. 

Great point! Hopefully this continues and expands across even more neighborhoods. 

Like I've always said. Stop the bleeding on the East Side and the city will grow. 

The westside is still losing about 1,000 people over the decade- but it's getting close to stabilizing. 

 

All the gains in all the neighborhoods that are growing barely offset the losses in Glenville, though.

15 hours ago, ClevelandNative said:

From the stats and just visually being around the city, it appears as if healthy growth, in several neighborhoods, is there. But this is growth in more urban neighborhoods where it’s mostly townhomes and apartments. Which attracts the young single adult or newly married couple with no kids. 
 

When they have kids, for the most part, they move out of the city. 
 

What we’re missing, and badly need, is an influx of new single family homes in the 150k to 300k range in neighborhoods like Old Brooklyn and West Park. 
 

If anyone is familiar with the Mill Creek development that runs off of Turney Rd in Slavic Village or Scullin Dr in Kamm’s Corner. 
 

More of this type of housing is needed to allow the natural progression newly weds moving out of say Ohio City or Downtown to a less urban neighborhood in Cleveland instead of to the burbs. 
 

Thoughts ? 

 

Yeah, families with children that can afford new homes and want to live in Cleveland are going to continue to be a rarity.  Even in rapidly growing central cities that are largely considered stable like Seattle this is true. 

 

The future of the city is the childless.  Sorry, I know people aren't going to want to hear that.

15 hours ago, ClevelandNative said:

From the stats and just visually being around the city, it appears as if healthy growth, in several neighborhoods, is there. But this is growth in more urban neighborhoods where it’s mostly townhomes and apartments. Which attracts the young single adult or newly married couple with no kids. 
 

When they have kids, for the most part, they move out of the city. 
 

What we’re missing, and badly need, is an influx of new single family homes in the 150k to 300k range in neighborhoods like Old Brooklyn and West Park. 
 

If anyone is familiar with the Mill Creek development that runs off of Turney Rd in Slavic Village or Scullin Dr in Kamm’s Corner. 
 

More of this type of housing is needed to allow the natural progression newly weds moving out of say Ohio City or Downtown to a less urban neighborhood in Cleveland instead of to the burbs. 
 

Thoughts ? 

 

@ClevelandNative, and believe me, I'm not trying to discount what you are saying.   Targeting Kamms Corners and Old Brooklyn, building off what already exists, is a really great idea.

 

Again more circumstantial evidence, but I can tell you that I personally know 3 different people who have moved in from out-of-state and purchased houses in West Park / Kamms Corners within the past couple of years.    The demand is surely there and in areas that could easily support the infill you describe of new construction single family homes. 

 

22 minutes ago, X said:

The future of the city is the childless.  Sorry, I know people aren't going to want to hear that.

I'm not so sure about that, I think we are in the middle of a shift right now. People are having kids in apartments, vs waiting until they have a home of their own. 6 of the 22 apartment units on my floor have kids under 10. School busses are stopping at Public Square for the first time in years. Walk around areas with a lot of renters like Tremont, Ohio City, and Hingetown and you will see more children and strollers. I even see some families playing on the Mall and Public Square fairly often these days. And as the parks near downtown continue to improve, we may see even more parents staying there. 

 

More people who are becoming parents want to keep the amenities of the more walkable communities where housing costs are high, so they just keep renting. 

Edited April 12, 20241 yr by PlanCleveland

23 minutes ago, X said:

The westside is still losing about 1,000 people over the decade- but it's getting close to stabilizing. 

 

All the gains in all the neighborhoods that are growing barely offset the losses in Glenville, though.

With the proximity to University Circle, Little Italy, Case Western Reserve, The Cultural Gardens, Cleveland Clinic and UH it is BAFFLING at the lack of investment in Glenville. It is borderline frustrating because in theory it doesn't make sense, it reality it does which is frustrating as well. 

Most of Cleveland's population is and has been in the parts of Cleveland that feel more like an inner ring suburb than a big city. It's hard to offset the nationwide trend towards more living space per person with growth only in a few hot areas. Houses that a one point housed a family of five or more are now considered too small to raise any size of family in, and certainly too small for a large family. 

6 minutes ago, MyPhoneDead said:

With the proximity to University Circle, Little Italy, Case Western Reserve, The Cultural Gardens, Cleveland Clinic and UH it is BAFFLING at the lack of investment in Glenville. It is borderline frustrating because in theory it doesn't make sense, it reality it does which is frustrating as well. 

There has been some investment in the southern part of Glenville. Although, that area has remained stable for along time. The area around East Blvd and Parkside also a good node to build from. some of the surrounding streets have homes with nice bones that need some TLC. Rockefeller Park is such a nice amenity and proximity to UC in that area should lead to development. 

Glenville is very big. The part by UC has seen in investment. But most of Glenville is not walking distance to UC.

2 hours ago, MyPhoneDead said:

Like I've always said. Stop the bleeding on the East Side and the city will grow. 

Easier said than done.  It will require a plan.  Building suburban-style homes haphazardly on vacant lots is not the solution.

2 hours ago, MyPhoneDead said:

With the proximity to University Circle, Little Italy, Case Western Reserve, The Cultural Gardens, Cleveland Clinic and UH it is BAFFLING at the lack of investment in Glenville. It is borderline frustrating because in theory it doesn't make sense, it reality it does which is frustrating as well. 

 

The thing is that there are so many areas with tons of room for development. Some development is happening in Glenville. Knez is building a ton of new homes there. But Hough and Fairfax have more area that is immediately adjacent to the Clinic, so they're getting more of the initial investment. I would expect more development in Glenville will occur when Fairfax and Hough are a little built out.

 

There's just so much room for infill. Honestly, it's the city's biggest opportunity. We have basically intact infrastructure for 2+ million people in Cuyahoga County, but we have a population that's a little over half that. It's why even with the solar eclipse and Final Four, traffic on most roads here never got as bad as it is in most places five days a week.

53 minutes ago, LibertyBlvd said:

Easier said than done.  It will require a plan.  Building suburban-style homes haphazardly on vacant lots is not the solution.

 

Nobody is building suburban housing in Glenville, nor is anybody suggesting we do. The new homes shown above are perfectly appropriate infill on mostly in-tact blocks. We should be building thousands more of them throughout the city. 

23 hours ago, Ethan said:

Probably, but more housing units doesn't necessarily mean more people. Detroit Shoreway gained units from 2010-2020, but it wasn't enough to offset shrinking families.

 

It's true that Detroit Shoreway's population decreased overall from 2010 to 2020. However the neighborhood started seeing population growth around 2017-2018, coinciding with the opening of the Edison. Since 2020, DS has seen numerous large projects such as the Welleon, Station 73, Parkview apartments, along with several hundred rehab and new builds.

 

In addition, the amount of planned development in the 1-5 year pipeline is staggering and will further add to the neighborhood's growth.

 

I wouldn't be surprised if 44102/44113 shows some of the largest % pop. growth in the state in the next actual census.

Edited April 12, 20241 yr by Clefan98

A lot of interesting data and forecasting here:

 

https://www.greatercle.com/clientuploads/Downtown_CLE_Market_Study_2023_(Final).pdf

 

11 minutes ago, Clefan98 said:

 

It's true that Detroit Shoreway's population decreased overall from 2010 to 2020. However the neighborhood started seeing population growth around 2017-2018, coinciding with the opening of the Edison. Since 2020, DS has seen numerous large projects such as the Welleon, Station 73, Parkview apartments, along with several hundred rehab and new builds.

 

In addition, the amount of planned development in the 1-5 year pipeline is staggering and will further add to the neighborhood's growth.

 

I wouldn't be surprised if 44102/44113 shows some of the largest % pop. growth in the state in the next actual census.

I don't disagree, it's definitely a hot neighborhood. If I were a betting man, I'd bet on it growing. I was using it as an example.

 

To expand upon the point I was making, unfortunately, some of the same "hot" neighborhood trends that cause new apartments to be built can cause duplex to single home conversions, or young single people moving in and pushing out established larger families. These developments are smaller and less noticeable, but can make a large difference in the aggregate. 

 

All that said, I agree, Detroit Shoreway will likely show growth on the next census. The positive density trends have likely eclipsed the negative ones at this point. 

7 minutes ago, Clefan98 said:

A lot of interesting data and forecasting here:

 

https://www.greatercle.com/clientuploads/Downtown_CLE_Market_Study_2023_(Final).pdf

 

West side needs to be expanded a bit further cuts off half of Detroit Shoreway and Gordon square and doesn’t even include Edgewater and other western neighborhoods 

Edited April 12, 20241 yr by BoomerangCleRes

25 minutes ago, Ethan said:

To expand upon the point I was making, unfortunately, some of the same "hot" neighborhood trends that cause new apartments to be built can cause duplex to single home conversions, or young single people moving in and pushing out established larger families. These developments are smaller and less noticeable, but can make a large difference in the aggregate.

 

I'd have to search but I don't think the data, at least locally, supports this statement.

 

I could be wrong...but I believe the notion of large established families getting pushed out is far overblown.

 

Side note: the street I live on in Gordon Square just recently saw two single families converted back into multifamily rentals.

Edited April 12, 20241 yr by Clefan98

8 minutes ago, Clefan98 said:

 

I'd have to search but I don't think the data, at least locally, supports this statement. No one lived nor was anyone pushed out of the land where Battery Park, Edison, Station 73, Parkview apartments and Welleon were constructed. Same goes for 95% of the projects happening in and around OHC/Tremont. The only ones I can really think of were the run down shanties demo'd for Stoneleigh and various townhomes on W20th & W19 in Duck Island. 

 

I could be wrong...but I believe the notion of large established families getting pushed out is far overblown, at least locally.

I wasn't talking about for those projects. Most people in this neighborhood still live in houses/duplexes etc. I'm just talking about the normal turnover of houses, new family moving in etc. I'm suggesting that the new families moving in are smaller. I'm further suggesting that the same trends causing apartments to be built are exacerbating what is basically a nationwide trend. 

 

and the data does support this. It's up thread. Housing units are increasing but population is decreasing. That basically means, almost by definition, that there are fewer people per housing unit, which is exactly the phenomenon I'm describing. 

Just now, Ethan said:

Housing units are increasing but population is decreasing.

 

That's only true if you're comparing the years of 2010 and 2020 and nothing in between. Also, keep in mind, very few units (if any) were added in DS from 2010 to 2014. Those are the years during the last census when the neighborhood decreased in population.

 

If you look at DS in more modern times, say 2018 to present, the data would show there's a direct correlation between number of units added (~1250) and population growth.

3 minutes ago, Clefan98 said:

 

That's only true if you're comparing the years of 2010 and 2020 and nothing in between. Also, keep in mind, very few units (if any) were added in DS from 2010 to 2014. Those are the years during the last census when the neighborhood decreased in population.

 

If you look at DS in more modern times, say 2018 to present, the data would show there's a direct correlation between number of units added (~1250) and population growth.

We're talking past each, therefore I don't think further dialogue will be productive. Of course one would expect there to be a correlation between adding new housing units and population growth. But it's not 1 to 1, and I was explaining one of the reasons why.

 

And just as a general statement, if you're able to pick and choose your data points you can find any correlation you like. Census counts people (however imperfectly), everything in between is an estimate. (For that matter I wouldn't be surprised if new housing units added is an input for that estimate, but I don't know and it ultimately doesn't matter for this conversation).

25 minutes ago, Ethan said:

And just as a general statement, if you're able to pick and choose your data points you can find any correlation you like.

 

Agreed we're just talking past each other, but I did want to say I'm not picking and choosing data points randomly to fit any agenda or opinion.

 

I just find using the most recent data points from 2018-2022 (last 5yr ACS) is much more relevant to this discussion, than comparing data from almost a decade and a half ago. 

Edited April 12, 20241 yr by Clefan98

@KJP What are your thoughts pertaining to this topic ? 

3 hours ago, ClevelandNative said:

@KJP What are your thoughts pertaining to this topic ? 

 

Cleveland’s increase in occupied housing units, its increase in income tax revenues and its decrease in population is a pretty telling combination. 

I think Cleveland would greatly benefit from working to increase the number of young people pursuing careers in the trades and then funding grants to rehab existing housing. It’s easy to say folks need to invest in the east side, for example, but many of those houses need significant repairs. And repairs aren’t just crazy expensive, it’s very hard to get skilled tradespeople to help because there is so much demand. 

Edited April 13, 20241 yr by coneflower

9 hours ago, Mendo said:

 

Nobody is building suburban housing in Glenville, nor is anybody suggesting we do. The new homes shown above are perfectly appropriate infill on mostly in-tact blocks. We should be building thousands more of them throughout the city. 

Exactly!

 

The infill going on is largely replacing the housing that has been demolished, save for the new single family homes being built on lots where duplexes once existed.

Edited April 13, 20241 yr by Mov2Ohio

Since I just learned about this thread:

I've been working on putting together a giant, one-stop-shop, easy to use spreadsheet to share with the forum for anyone to access, collating all of the census data from 2020 onward for every neighborhood in Cleveland and every city in the entire Cleveland MSA. The project spawned out of seeing a lot of statements thrown about in the past about population that clearly lacked any research to back up the claims (ex. "the Cleveland MSA is losing population", which it is no longer), and I figured it's mostly because while population data is easily accessible, it's very dense and hard to parse through for the average consumer. I hope to share the spreadsheet link soon for everyone to see, I'm almost done putting everything together. Hopefully it's useful to the forum at-large, even if there's something similar already existing here.

 

In the meantime, just thought I'd share some interesting results on my Cleveland analysis (the big whale) which I just wrapped up. Here's a snippet of what you might see for a city entry in the spreadsheet:

Source: data.census.gov

*Note: "Negative Decreasing" means the rate of change of negative growth is improving. "ROC" means "rate of change", simply the 2021-2022 change minus the 2021-2020 change.

 

I split up Cleveland east-west because I wanted to see some more specific trends. It's interesting to me that for all the talk about the east side hemorrhaging the city's population, the decrease in negative growth just from 2020 to 2022 alone is quite astonishing. Also notice how the east side population growth is almost nearing 0%! If this trend continues, I would cautiously suspect that the east side will start gaining population in the next couple of years. Meanwhile, the west side is actually the side of town with the more consistent population loss since 2020 (a fact which seemed counter-intuitive to me at first!) Just some interesting tidbits to chew on. At least, that's what I've learned from my semi-professional analysis. My qualifications are that I took many classes in uni dealing with census data analysis lol.

 

(Side note: It'll be explained in the spreadsheet, but census data is (obviously) the most accurate population data, however it only happens every decade. American Community Survey (ACS) 5-year data is the next-best thing, a sample of each census tract collected every year and extrapolated based on the previous 5. The issue with the 5-year data is that it usually over or underestimates the true population, sometimes quite egregiously. So the data you see above is actual 2020 census data, and then 2021 and 2022 data extrapolated from the growth rates of the 5-year ACS data. Raw ACS data is presented in the spreadsheet.)

 

Edited April 13, 20241 yr by Geowizical

21 minutes ago, Geowizical said:

Since I just learned about this thread:

I've been working on putting together a giant, one-stop-shop, easy to use spreadsheet to share with the forum for anyone to access, collating all of the census data from 2020 onward for every neighborhood in Cleveland and every city in the entire Cleveland MSA. The project spawned out of seeing a lot of statements thrown about in the past about population that clearly lacked any research to back up the claims (ex. "the Cleveland MSA is losing population", which it is no longer), and I figured it's mostly because while population data is easily accessible, it's very dense and hard to parse through for the average consumer. I hope to share the spreadsheet link soon for everyone to see, I'm almost done putting everything together. Hopefully it's useful to the forum at-large, even if there's something similar already existing here.

 

In the meantime, just thought I'd share some interesting results on my Cleveland analysis (the big whale) which I just wrapped up. Here's a snippet of what you might see for a city entry in the spreadsheet:

Source: data.census.gov

*Note: "Negative Decreasing" means the rate of change of negative growth is improving. "ROC" means "rate of change", simply the 2021-2022 change minus the 2021-2020 change.

 

I split up Cleveland east-west because I wanted to see some more specific trends. It's interesting to me that for all the talk about the east side hemorrhaging the city's population, the decrease in negative growth just from 2020 to 2022 alone is quite astonishing. Also notice how the east side population growth is almost nearing 0%! If this trend continues, I would cautiously suspect that the east side will start gaining population in the next couple of years. Meanwhile, the west side is actually the side of town with the more consistent population loss since 2020 (a fact which seemed counter-intuitive to me at first!) Just some interesting tidbits to chew on. At least, that's what I've learned from my semi-professional analysis. My qualifications are that I took many classes in uni dealing with census data analysis lol.

 

(Side note: It'll be explained in the spreadsheet, but census data is (obviously) the most accurate population data, however it only happens every decade. American Community Survey (ACS) 5-year data is the next-best thing, a sample of each census tract collected every year and extrapolated based on the previous 5. The issue with the 5-year data is that it usually over or underestimates the true population, sometimes quite egregiously. So the data you see above is actual 2020 census data, and then 2021 and 2022 data extrapolated from the growth rates of the 5-year ACS data. Raw ACS data is presented in the spreadsheet.)

 

Good stuff! I’m guessing “east side” includes downtown? In that case not surprising east would out-pace west as downtown and UC are the only neighborhoods that have shown significant growth.

9 minutes ago, bumsquare said:

Good stuff! I’m guessing “east side” includes downtown? In that case not surprising east would out-pace west as downtown and UC are the only neighborhoods that have shown significant growth.

Yes, good point, downtown and UC are considered "east side" (anything east of the Cuyahoga). However, those two neighborhoods account for only 5 out of the 92 census tracts on the east side. It's in the data, but there are some inspiring trends to see in other east side neighborhoods over the past two-three years. Suffice to say, downtown and UC aren't the only east side neighborhoods doing the heavy lifting now (don't get me wrong, they definitely are doing the best). :)

Edited April 13, 20241 yr by Geowizical

35 minutes ago, Geowizical said:

Yes, good point, downtown and UC are considered "east side" (anything east of the Cuyahoga). However, those two neighborhoods account for only 5 out of the 92 census tracts on the east side. It's in the data, but there are some inspiring trends to see in other east side neighborhoods over the past two-three years. Suffice to say, downtown and UC aren't the only east side neighborhoods doing the heavy lifting now (don't get me wrong, they definitely are doing the best). :)

There is this interactive map that somebody posted forever ago too that has a good visualization of loss/gain with detailed data by tract

 

https://data.indystar.com/census/total-population/total-population-change/cuyahoga_county_ohio/050-39035/#cmap

2 hours ago, Geowizical said:

Since I just learned about this thread:

I've been working on putting together a giant, one-stop-shop, easy to use spreadsheet to share with the forum for anyone to access, collating all of the census data from 2020 onward for every neighborhood in Cleveland and every city in the entire Cleveland MSA. The project spawned out of seeing a lot of statements thrown about in the past about population that clearly lacked any research to back up the claims (ex. "the Cleveland MSA is losing population", which it is no longer), and I figured it's mostly because while population data is easily accessible, it's very dense and hard to parse through for the average consumer. I hope to share the spreadsheet link soon for everyone to see, I'm almost done putting everything together. Hopefully it's useful to the forum at-large, even if there's something similar already existing here.

 

In the meantime, just thought I'd share some interesting results on my Cleveland analysis (the big whale) which I just wrapped up. Here's a snippet of what you might see for a city entry in the spreadsheet:

Source: data.census.gov

*Note: "Negative Decreasing" means the rate of change of negative growth is improving. "ROC" means "rate of change", simply the 2021-2022 change minus the 2021-2020 change.

 

I split up Cleveland east-west because I wanted to see some more specific trends. It's interesting to me that for all the talk about the east side hemorrhaging the city's population, the decrease in negative growth just from 2020 to 2022 alone is quite astonishing. Also notice how the east side population growth is almost nearing 0%! If this trend continues, I would cautiously suspect that the east side will start gaining population in the next couple of years. Meanwhile, the west side is actually the side of town with the more consistent population loss since 2020 (a fact which seemed counter-intuitive to me at first!) Just some interesting tidbits to chew on. At least, that's what I've learned from my semi-professional analysis. My qualifications are that I took many classes in uni dealing with census data analysis lol.

 

(Side note: It'll be explained in the spreadsheet, but census data is (obviously) the most accurate population data, however it only happens every decade. American Community Survey (ACS) 5-year data is the next-best thing, a sample of each census tract collected every year and extrapolated based on the previous 5. The issue with the 5-year data is that it usually over or underestimates the true population, sometimes quite egregiously. So the data you see above is actual 2020 census data, and then 2021 and 2022 data extrapolated from the growth rates of the 5-year ACS data. Raw ACS data is presented in the spreadsheet.)

 

 

Dude, you need a girlfriend. But thanks for doing this! 🙂

As promised!

 

Northeast Ohio Population Data (2024)

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/11ovx4ec51yi0-9dkKlnQHqSdNhRqsZ4Q/edit?usp=sharing&ouid=112683947790985671934&rtpof=true&sd=true

 

*Finishing Ashtabula Co., don't worry.

**I do not plan to do census tract data for Akron and Canton MSA (for now?)

Cleveland’s population finally flattens out, new census estimates say

May. 16, 2024

By Zachary Smith, cleveland.com

 

 

CLEVELAND, Ohio - Cleveland’s population has flattened out after years of decline, new estimates released Thursday by the Census Bureau show.

 

...

 

Technically, this was down a little - 150 people - from the newly revised total for July 2022 but, in the scope of estimates, the update shows that Cleveland’s population was essentially unchanged.

 

...

 

The trend toward a flattening population as been building in recent years following decades of big declines, with growth largely fueled by areas like Tremont, Ohio City, Detroit-Shoreway and University Circle.

 

https://www.cleveland.com/news/2024/05/clevelands-population-finally-flattens-out-new-census-estimates-say.html

^ I'm looking forward to updated poverty numbers.  The latest are end of 2022.  Cleveland was 111K, down from 114K in 2019 and ~130K in 2015.  MSA-wide, with 50K available jobs (according to Greater Cleveland Partnership) and 38K unemployment(according to the Census Bureau) we should see more improvement.

Hard to believe there were 914K in Cleveland at one time.  I know families were larger back then and there were lots of two family homes.  Huge drop of 177K from 1970 to 1980 due to many factors.

 

Edited May 16, 20241 yr by LibertyBlvd

City statistics I saw a few years ago predicted 2024-2025 as the breakthrough years for population loss.  There's much to be done regarding the removal of housing stock beyond repair along with the cleaning of brownfields.  However it's good to know the city has no where to go but up from this point on.

I wonder what the ‘24 estimate will be next year, with the continued trend of an increasing yearly amount of people entering, and decreasing yearly amount of people leaving. 
 

I’m guessing a net gain of a few hundred 
 

Hopefully by 2030 we’re equal to, if not more than 2020’s census!  

In the coveted 25-34 yr old demographic, I found some nice recent data on growth in Ohio’s largest counties.

 

https://ohiolmi.com/Home/CountyProfiles/Educational_Attainment
 

Cuyahoga gained 6,000 2019-2021 (4,000 2020-2021)

 

Franklin gained 1,000 2019-2021 (lost 2,000 2020-2021)

6 minutes ago, bwheats said:

In the coveted 25-34 yr old demographic, I found some nice recent data on growth in Ohio’s largest counties.

 

https://ohiolmi.com/Home/CountyProfiles/Educational_Attainment
 

Cuyahoga gained 6,000 2019-2021 (4,000 2020-2021)

 

Franklin gained 1,000 2019-2021 (lost 2,000 2020-2021)

The Franklin County numbers are rather surprising to me.