Most of the growth in US cities comes from immigrants to the US looking for better opportunities aka displaced people.

 

Exactly. Sure economic opportunity is a huge factor as well, but as the economy in Cleveland has improved over the last decade the population losses have gotten less and less, which is why the additional of even a few refugees could start to grow the regional population.

 

Given a few more years the region may begin to grow based off only economic related relocations.

 

Whatever it takes to get the region really growing again but there have been theories about it since the 1970s...no results yet.

Most of the growth in US cities comes from immigrants to the US looking for better opportunities aka displaced people.

 

Well, the context of the discussion is the Puerto Rican hurricane displacement, not immigrants coming to Cleveland from abroad for work...that used to happen here, not so much anymore. 

 

Given your new definition of ''displaced people'' (DPs), tons of Clevelanders have been displaced over these past several decades...economic disaster.

 

In this case it's a natural disaster that is displacing people.  Other times it's political, economic or otherwise.  My point stands none the less.  Immigration is a huge factor in population growth of cities. 

Most of the growth in US cities comes from immigrants to the US looking for better opportunities aka displaced people.

 

Well, the context of the discussion is the Puerto Rican hurricane displacement, not immigrants coming to Cleveland from abroad for work...that used to happen here, not so much anymore. 

 

Given your new definition of ''displaced people'' (DPs), tons of Clevelanders have been displaced over these past several decades...economic disaster.

 

In this case it's a natural disaster that is displacing people.  Other times it's political, economic or otherwise.  My point stands none the less.  Immigration is a huge factor in population growth of cities.

 

OK, but CLE has been relying on ''political and natural disaster'' immigration, without showing any population growth.  CLE needs economic migrants and immigrants, but these require jobs.

I think there is a decent PR population in Eastern Lake county and Ashtabula County.

 

I grew up in that area. The Hispanic population out there is mostly Mexican.

 

With most Puerto Rican migration being to places where they have family already, I wouldn't be surprised if the vast majority of that 30k is in the cities of Cleveland and Lorain. From the 2015 ACS estimate, Ohio had 110k residents of Puerto Rican descent. 30k were in Cleveland proper, and 14k in Lorain city. Lake County as a whole only had 1500, and Ashtabula County as a whole had 2500.

^Interesting that the Ashtabula number is bigger than Lake's.  If 30k in CLE and 14k in Lorain, that's only 44K/110k---i would have expected the majority in CLE, as opposed to other cities like cincy or columbus. maybe they're in the burbs.

Cleveland:

 

 

Lorain:

 

 

 

its nice to see the area step up for pr. i heard about this and am not surprized. bravo.

 

btw if you want to know where the rest of the pr’s are, they moved down to columbus like everybody else lol.

its nice to see the area step up for pr. i heard about this and am not surprized. bravo.

 

btw if you want to know where the rest of the pr’s are, they moved down to columbus like everybody else lol.

 

They have jobs in Columbus.

This report has a county breakdown of PR population by county as of 2014.

 

 

https://centropr.hunter.cuny.edu/sites/default/files/PDF/STATE%20REPORTS/8-OH-PR-2016-CentroReport.pdf

 

39,000 in cuyahoga county

17,000 in lorain county

7,000 in Franklin county

its nice to see the area step up for pr. i heard about this and am not surprized. bravo.

 

btw if you want to know where the rest of the pr’s are, they moved down to columbus like everybody else lol.

 

They have jobs in Columbus.

 

But its Columbus.  :P

its nice to see the area step up for pr. i heard about this and am not surprized. bravo.

 

btw if you want to know where the rest of the pr’s are, they moved down to columbus like everybody else lol.

 

They have jobs in Columbus.

 

But its Columbus.  :P

 

Totally agree about that but you can find a job easier than in Cleveland.

This report has a county breakdown of PR population by county as of 2014.

 

 

https://centropr.hunter.cuny.edu/sites/default/files/PDF/STATE%20REPORTS/8-OH-PR-2016-CentroReport.pdf

 

39,000 in cuyahoga county

17,000 in lorain county

7,000 in Franklin county

 

What a fantastic, comprehensive report!

^according to the report, Cuyahoga county had 39,538 Puerto Ricans and 64,518 Latinos. Where are the remaining 25,000 predominantly from?

^according to the report, Cuyahoga county had 39,538 Puerto Ricans and 64,518 Latinos. Where are the remaining 25,000 predominantly from?

 

There are a significant number of people from Central America, which compensates for our relative low Mexican population.

^according to the report, Cuyahoga county had 39,538 Puerto Ricans and 64,518 Latinos. Where are the remaining 25,000 predominantly from?

 

There are a significant number of people from Central America, which compensates for our relative low Mexican population.

 

Puerto Ricans are Hispanics as in those that speak Spanish. There’s a 100,000 plus Hispanics in Cuyagoga  County and 64k Latinos or those from Latin America. Where’s MT when you need him.

^No. "Latinos" is the new--and better--term for "Hispanics" as "Hispanics" means of Spanish origin---but was used for all people of Latin America (which is central and south america and spanish-speaking carribean), so included Brazilians which are certainly Latino, but do not speak Spanish.

in the usa generally the islanders like pr and dr are always latinos and land lubber mexico is hispanic.

 

Just came across this line in a PD story on the latest Census estimates and thought of this tread:

 

"Cleveland is 10.8 percent Hispanic (8.1 percent Puerto Rican)."

 

"Cleveland" as used here is the city proper.

 

http://www.cleveland.com/datacentral/index.ssf/2017/12/ohios_richest_poorest_most_edu_1.html#incart_m-rpt-2

 

Yeah, they all live around Clark-Fulton, too. They aren't at all, dispersed.

^Some in the E 30s and 40s in AsiaTown, as well. But yes, the main hub is the near west side.

The NE Ohio cities on this list make sense with the exception of Brooklyn. Obviously due to chaining demographics looking at the numbers. What is the makeup of the population that explains this large increase from 2007-2016?

 

http://www.cleveland.com/datacentral/index.ssf/2017/12/ranking_every_ohio_city_county_1.html#incart_river_home

^Not sure what changed in Brooklyn over those five years. Its nice that the PD puts these data into clean lists, but the real value-add of the PD would be to provide some local insight/reporting to the federal numbers instead of just reformatting them for their web site.

I think that is the direction of the outward migration of Cleveland's Puerto Rican population over the last couple decades.

That's interesting- what are the changes which are taking place in Brooklyn?

The NE Ohio cities on this list make sense with the exception of Brooklyn. Obviously due to chaining demographics looking at the numbers. What is the makeup of the population that explains this large increase from 2007-2016?

 

http://www.cleveland.com/datacentral/index.ssf/2017/12/ranking_every_ohio_city_county_1.html#incart_river_home

 

I don't understand why Beachwood is so high on the list. I thought it was largely an affluent white town. Are the non-English speakers there Swedes?

There are a lot of Russian speakers around Mayfield/271, maybe some spillover of that into Beachwood.  Also Beachwood has a lot of offices and research parks.  Those draw people from everywhere.

^Russian speakers? I bet they're Trump supporters. lol I didn't realize this change had occurred.

I had a Russian girlfriend who lived in Beachwood for a while. Many of her neighbors at Acacia Park apartments were Russian, Belorussian and Ukrainian. My wife's Ukrainian friend worked as a maid for a wealthy Russian Jewish family who lived across Cedar in those multi-family condo buildings. She said there were many Russian Jews who lived in the building and most of them fled the former Soviet Union in the early- to mid-1990s. I remember reading back then that 40,000 Russian Jews had settled in Greater Cleveland in the 1990s. With the war in southeastern Ukraine, their ongoing corruption and the increasing authoritarian power of Putin, many Russians and Ukrainians are trying to come to America. My wife and several of her friends here in Cleveland are all trying to bring their families to the USA or Canada. They really like the Russian-speaking community in Greater Cleveland because of how large it is and all the Russian, Ukrainian and Belorussian shops and churches which are supportive of their transition to a new life.

Yeah I find it unlikely that many local Russian-speakers would support Trump-- for one thing, they're immigrants.

The ones I know are staunch Republican-conservative.

The ones I know are staunch Republican-conservative.

 

True, my experience as well.  Love their reactions when they see a communist, socialist, or ''revolutionary'' demonstration in the U.S. given what they came from.

Yeah I find it unlikely that many local Russian-speakers would support Trump-- for one thing, they're immigrants.

 

They're legal immigrants...and in love with the U.S.  Cleveland could use lots more of these folks, just like the old days.

Yeah I find it unlikely that many local Russian-speakers would support Trump-- for one thing, they're immigrants.

 

They're legal immigrants...and in love with the U.S.  Cleveland could use lots more of these folks, just like the old days.

 

Are they beneficiaries of chain migration?  Good bye to that American institution.

Yeah I find it unlikely that many local Russian-speakers would support Trump-- for one thing, they're immigrants.

 

They're legal immigrants...and in love with the U.S.  Cleveland could use lots more of these folks, just like the old days.

 

Are they beneficiaries of chain migration?  Good bye to that American institution.

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Why goodbye?

Dear Leader does not like chain migration because terrorism and borders or something. 

Dear Leader does not like chain migration because terrorism and borders or something.

 

OK, so it's a blanket ending of Chain Migration.  Got it.  So someone's family member in Ohio can't move to California to be with extended family. 

 

How are all those Puerto Rican migrants coming here then?

 

Haven't heard of our Dear Leader's policy ending Chain Migration in the U.S..  The end is truly at-hand.

 

Take up the definition of chain migration with dear leader.  He is the one that wants to end it.  A Google search will help.

Dear Leader does not like chain migration because terrorism and borders or something.

 

OK, so it's a blanket ending of Chain Migration.  Got it.  So someone's family member in Ohio can't move to California to be with extended family. 

 

How are all those Puerto Rican migrants coming here then?

 

Haven't heard of our Dear Leader's policy ending Chain Migration in the U.S..  The end is truly at-hand.

 

Puerto Ricans are US citizens.

Dear Leader does not like chain migration because terrorism and borders or something.

 

OK, so it's a blanket ending of Chain Migration.  Got it.  So someone's family member in Ohio can't move to California to be with extended family. 

 

How are all those Puerto Rican migrants coming here then?

 

Haven't heard of our Dear Leader's policy ending Chain Migration in the U.S..  The end is truly at-hand.

 

Puerto Ricans are US citizens.

 

Of course they are, which is why they are Chain Migrants, not Chain Immigrants.

^ so when dear leader gives speaches and tweets about ending chain migration, he is merely calling for an end to movement within the country.  All praise dear leader, he will stop the population loss in the Cleveland  MSA

Take up the definition of chain migration with dear leader.  He is the one that wants to end it.  A Google search will help.

 

Oh, because it's based on Merit and not who you know.

 

Chain Immigration worked in the past, you know when America had factories, made things, and needed unskilled workers that didn't speak English, couldn't read, write, add or subtract.  That's not the case any longer, so why shouldn't Immigration be based on merit or skill etc.?

 

Family ties don't cut it anymore; merit and employment skills do.

 

At least illegal immigration will still be OK.

 

 

I thought coal mines were coming back.  Surely we need lots of humans for the unleashing of coal jobs.  Plus this tax cut is gonna create all these new jobs for his working class base.  Are you saying that was all lies?

I thought coal mines were coming back.  Surely we need lots of humans for the unleashing of coal jobs.  Plus this tax cut is gonna create all these new jobs for his working class base.  Are you saying that was all lies?

 

Not sure what your misplaced ''coal mines'' analogy has to do with immigration since the coal jobs issue relates to unemployed U.S. coal workers. 

 

Regardless, as I stated above, and to your relief I'm sure, Illegal Immigration is still OK.  It's only Legal Immigration that is in issue where the U.S. Government has the temerity to decide who should be allowed to legally enter the U.S. on a path towards citizenship.  Using qualifications such as education, employment skills, social history etc. is simply incomprehensible to some in 2017.

 

Sounds like a lot of native born Americans take the privilege of their citizenship for granted or have no connection to any legal immigrants, or they're simply really naive.

We are going to start making things here again.  I mean the coal miners will be working so we will need people for the new factories right?

We are going to start making things here again.  I mean the coal miners will be working so we will need people for the new factories right?

 

Is there a point here?

Are we gonna make America great again or what?

 

Also, my original comment was true in that ending chain migration will put a damper on legal immigration such as the hard working Russian.  I'm glad you cleared that up.

If you really want to see an influx of unskilled workers to Cleveland, go ahead and shut down all the coal mines.  It's a straight shot up 77 from Charleston to here.  And how might that population trend affect future elections in Ohio?  Not they way Democrats would prefer, not after turning our backs on all those unionized workers.

There's not very many coal workers left.

My father moved here as a result of coal mines being closed.  He moved to Cleveland when he was 18 from SW PA because there were a lot of mine closings.  He moved here to find work in the steel mills.  That was in the 1960's.  A lot of people moved here for work in the mills and the auto industry. Those jobs are now gone as well.  I don't see unskilled workers flocking to Cleveland because of mines closing only to have unemployment waiting for them here.

If you really want to see an influx of unskilled workers to Cleveland, go ahead and shut down all the coal mines.  It's a straight shot up 77 from Charleston to here.  And how might that population trend affect future elections in Ohio?  Not they way Democrats would prefer, not after turning our backs on all those unionized workers.

 

Lol! This is perhaps the least sound argument you've presented on here. Charlotte is a straight shot South. Richmond and Pittsburgh are to the East, Columbus to the West. All of these cities - for the moment - have more employment opportunities. Immigration to Cleveland happened because labor was in demand. Not because people were laid off elsewhere and decided to rush here en masse.

 

And to KJP[/member]'s point... the absolute worst case scenario would only implicate 6-8,000 coal miners. Coal has been dead since before the VCR, but only one industry drags and stomps their feet.