Hell no, we won't!

Hell no, we won't!

Where's Hope for Change?  :|

Hell no, we won't!

Where's Hope for Change? :|

 

In the White House

Hell no, we won't!

Where's Hope for Change? :|

 

In the White House

You do realize that there are many areas of this country over which the President cannot and should not have power.

 

The Speaker of the House will change in November.  It might even switch parties.

I hope Boehner changes his sex, turns black from all his tanning, decides he's gay, and becomes a liberal Dem.

 

Then he can be Speaker.

Boehner has never taken an earmark.  His district is very happy with him, and it doesn't matter what a national poll feels about him.  If he were to become Speaker, the head of the House, then it would be relavant as to what the people outside of his district feel about him.

Boehner has never taken an earmark.  His district is very happy with him, and it doesn't matter what a national poll feels about him.  If he were to become Speaker, the head of the House, then it would be relavant as to what the people outside of his district feel about him.

 

To the degree that he is part of the national debate, and the degree to which national organizations target him, he matters. I didn't know that he made no requests for earmarks. Perhaps that could explain some of the economic challenges in Dayton?

Boehner has never taken an earmark.  His district is very happy with him, and it doesn't matter what a national poll feels about him.  If he were to become Speaker, the head of the House, then it would be relavant as to what the people outside of his district feel about him.

 

To the degree that he is part of the national debate, and the degree to which national organizations target him, he matters. I didn't know that he made no requests for earmarks. Perhaps that could explain some of the economic challenges in Dayton?

Doubt it. Dayton's been crap for decades.  I wish Boehner was to blame even though Turner covers most of the area.

 

Boehner's district:

 

Turner's district:

 

 

I hope Boehner changes his sex, turns black from all his tanning, decides he's gay, and becomes a liberal Dem.

 

Then he can be Speaker.

Seriously, why does any of that matter (besides the liberal Dem part)?

I was just trying to be funny, sheesh.

 

The Dem part doesn't matter, either, in terms of better or worse speaker of the house. Liberal is the operative property. (Actually, a non-Dem would have a leg up.)  A black tranny Senator would be quite interesting, though. She'd have my vote, so long as the politics lined up.

He/she would have my vote regardless.  :-o

Now you "get it."

 

It's all about the hope/change.

Yeah...when the next President is the most right-wing President ever you'll have no check on his power since the judiciary has been silenced and he will have the power of Executive Order which under Bush and Obama now trumps law.  How can liberals be so awake during Bush and so asleep during Obama?

 

Come on, this goes both ways.  How could conservatives be so asleep under Bush and so awake under Obama?  It has a lot to do with whether or not it's your guy who's pushing the limits of the Constitution (not you in particular, but in the case of conservatives and liberals who blindly tow the party line).

Yeah...when the next President is the most right-wing President ever you'll have no check on his power since the judiciary has been silenced and he will have the power of Executive Order which under Bush and Obama now trumps law. How can liberals be so awake during Bush and so asleep during Obama?

 

Come on, this goes both ways. How could conservatives be so asleep under Bush and so awake under Obama? It has a lot to do with whether or not it's your guy who's pushing the limits of the Constitution (not you in particular, but in the case of conservatives and liberals who blindly tow the party line).

Exactly my point.  At some point you have to admit that your side has a problem too unless of course you don't have a 'side' in which case you're in good shape to call them like you see them.

Scrabble, your sig is wrong. This is the actual quote:

 

"If we can prevent the government from wasting the labors of the people, under the pretence of taking care of them, they must become happy."

 

 

 

 

Civvik, your sig may be wrong too because I have yet to meet my opposite. ;)

 

The trail I leave behind me is littered with the carcasses of arguments offered by people who thought they were my equal opposite.

Scrabble, your sig is wrong. This is the actual quote:

 

"If we can prevent the government from wasting the labors of the people, under the pretence of taking care of them, they must become happy."

I used the Jeffersonian Cyclopedia, but did see the original quote here: http://wiki.monticello.org/mediawiki/index.php/Wasting_the_labours_of_the_people_%28Quotation%29 which explains what you're saying.  You misquoted him too. 

 

Here's the exact quotation:

"if we can but prevent the government from wasting the labours of the people, under the pretence of taking care of them, they must become happy." - Thomas Jefferson to Thomas Cooper, 29 November 1802

Hell no, you can't!

Yes, we can!

 

I'm seeing a great reelection commercial. Hope, change, and obstruction have been salient themes of this administration. What a great way to drive it home.

Sad that our politics is so disrespectful of dissenting opinion.  Some things will never change.  Minority always loses.

You reserve your outrage for a parody Youtube video, and reject the idea that people are acting crazy when they are slurring, spitting upon, and threatening Congressmen?

You reserve your outrage for a parody Youtube video, and reject the idea that people are acting crazy when they are slurring, spitting upon, and threatening Congressmen?

The video is kinda funny if you can stomach the zombie chant and juvenile juxtaposition.

 

Show me the evidence of "slurring, spitting upon."  When did I ever reject any threats?  Someone(s) very well might have "slurred" someone who placed themselves in the middle of an angry crowd to try and make a point but that has never been proven.

 

And what sort of sick calculus are you pushing that equates the legitimate and truthful concerns with an important piece of legislation to the hopping mad protesters against it?

 

It goes like this: "You're Cutting Medicare" + "The plan adds to the debt" + ... = "PROTESTERS MIGHT BE SLURRING SOMEONE SOMEWHERE THEREFORE ALL OPPOSITION IS NULL AND VOID!"

I'm sorry if you can't accept the word of our elected representatives and members of the news media. There are lots of things I believe because I heard it from a trusted source. But not everyone trusts the same sources, I suppose. It's quite a conspiracy if these accounts are all made up, however.

 

When you posted something about Cantor (I think) having the bullet break his window, and all the other news was coming out about threats and such, I said things were getting crazy. You seemed to blow that off, saying that's what the liberal media was telling me or something.

 

Then when I post this video, you come out with:

Sad that our politics is so disrespectful of dissenting opinion.

Which, to me, is on a completely different level than all the **** that was happening before. A stupid video, versus shouting slurs and spitting? You can blow off threats (by denying they create a "crazy" environment) but not Youtube?

 

My point had nothing to do with the substance of any political policy, so your representation of my "calculus" misses the point by a mile.

It's ok natininja, you know not what you do.  :wink:

 

 

Fiery speech positions Boehner as GOP leader

By Jack Torry, Washington Bureau  Updated 8:55 PM Saturday, March 27, 2010

 

It was difficult last week to ignore House Minority Leader John Boehner of West Chester.

 

His fiery speech in opposition to the health care overhaul in which twice he shouted “Hell no,’’ attracted more than 100,000 hits on You-Tube.

 

more: http://www.daytondailynews.com/news/dayton-news/fiery-speech-positions-boehner-as-gop-leader-624103.html

"... and look at how this bill was written. Can you say it was done openly? With transparency and accountability? Without backroom deals struck behind closed doors hidden from the people? Hell no you can't. Have you read the bill? Have you read the reconciliation bill? Have you read the manager's amendment? Hell no you haven't!"

 

Fiery speech positions Boehner as GOP leader

By Jack Torry, Washington Bureau   Updated 8:55 PM Saturday, March 27, 2010

 

It was difficult last week to ignore House Minority Leader John Boehner of West Chester.

 

His fiery speech in opposition to the health care overhaul in which twice he shouted “Hell no,’’ attracted more than 100,000 hits on You-Tube.

 

more: http://www.daytondailynews.com/news/dayton-news/fiery-speech-positions-boehner-as-gop-leader-624103.html

Here's the speech that has attracted more than 100,000 hits on Youtube as referenced in the above article:

 

We have failed to listen to America. And we have failed to reflect the will of our constituents 

It's ok natininja, you know not what you do. :wink:

I always pronounce his name phonetically  :wink:

^ I applaud you  :clap:  haha

Fiery speech positions Boehner as GOP leader

By Jack Torry, Washington Bureau Updated 8:55 PM Saturday, March 27, 2010

 

It was difficult last week to ignore House Minority Leader John Boehner of West Chester.

 

His fiery speech in opposition to the health care overhaul in which twice he shouted Hell no, attracted more than 100,000 hits on You-Tube.

 

more: http://www.daytondailynews.com/news/dayton-news/fiery-speech-positions-boehner-as-gop-leader-624103.html

Here's the speech that has attracted more than 100,000 hits on Youtube as referenced in the above article:

 

We have failed to listen to America. And we have failed to reflect the will of our constituents

 

Not sure how passing health care reform equates to not reflecting the will of the constituents.  Democrats were elected in large numbers, in part because of their position on reforming health care a la the president's desires.  When the time came to vote, they voted in a way that was consistent with their party.  If the republicans had been voted into office in large numbers, in part due to their opposition to health care, and the bill failed, I think that would be the same situation.  Either way, just because legislation might not be pleasing to everyone does not mean it's a bad bill.  Democracy is about pleasing the most people possible, and there will always be opposition to legislation.  It's just a shame the opposition in this case had to manifest into spitting, swearing, racial slurs, and violence.

It's just a shame the opposition in this case had to manifest into spitting, swearing, racial slurs, and violence.

Show me the proof where "the opposition" turned into that. I'd love to see proof of this made-up meme.

 

 

Driehaus stood at my front door and told me why he would not do any of the things he just did. That's what was wrong with it.

Exactly.  "Pro-life Democrat" is an oxymoron.

Are all Democrats "Anti-life" then?  Way to walk the party line Mr. Independent.

 

On the John Lewis incident, I don't see why you can't accept that the Tea Party has some real nutjobs.... even if you want to dispute the extent of their involvement.  Me personally... I will take John Lewis, a great American, at his word over your "lack of proof" argument.  It is one thing to call it an isolated incident and not representative of the movement.  It is quite another to call Mr. Lewis, a man who sacrificed so much for freedom and equality, a liar.

 

Reps. John Lewis, D-Ga, and Andre Carson, D-Ind., both members of the Congressional Black Caucus, said that a group of protesters hollered at them and called them the N-word.

 

"They were just shouting. Harassing," Lewis told Fox News. "People being downright mean."

 

...................

 

"It's okay, I've faced this before," Lewis told Fox News about the incident. "I haven't heard anything like this in 40, 45 years. Since the march to Selma, really."

 

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010/03/21/tea-party-leader-condemns-racial-slurs-hurled-black-lawmakers/

It's just a shame the opposition in this case had to manifest into spitting, swearing, racial slurs, and violence.

Show me the proof where "the opposition" turned into that. I'd love to see proof of this made-up meme.

 

 

Driehaus stood at my front door and told me why he would not do any of the things he just did. That's what was wrong with it.

Exactly. "Pro-life Democrat" is an oxymoron.

 

What about all those "pro life" Republicans who support capital punishment, torture, and wars that kill thousands of soldiers and civilians? Is that not hypocritical? And Driehaus was going to vote no, but Obama specified that no money would be spent for the purposes of abortion. 

Nothing wrong with capital punishment other than the fact that it takes too damn long to carry out the executions. Nobody supports torture, waterboarding isn't torture. Broken bones, chopsticks in your ears, pulling out your fingernails, now that's torture. Death in war is unfortunate, but if it keeps us safe, I have no problem with it. 5,000 American soldiers dead in 7 years? Sad and unfortunate, but we lose than many in a couple of months to auto accidents.

 

Obama specifying that no money would be spent for the purpose of abortion carries as much weight as my saying it. The law that was passed permits it, and no executive decision can overrule it.

 

Next?

You have lost all credibility in my eyes. Supporting torture? Despicable.

You will be ignored, that's what you will do.

Nothing wrong with capital punishment other than the fact that it takes too damn long to carry out the executions. Nobody supports torture, waterboarding isn't torture. Broken bones, chopsticks in your ears, pulling out your fingernails, now that's torture. Death in war is unfortunate, but if it keeps us safe, I have no problem with it. 5,000 American soldiers dead in 7 years? Sad and unfortunate, but we lose than many in a couple of months to auto accidents.

 

Obama specifying that no money would be spent for the purpose of abortion carries as much weight as my saying it. The law that was passed permits it, and no executive decision can overrule it.

 

Next?

 

Next? You basically just stated that because you don't view torture, war, or the death penalty as an infringement on your pro life stance, you are not a hypocrite.  By that logic, a democrat could say "well the fetus isn't a person yet, so killing it doesn't mean I'm not pro life...". Come on, the whole pro-life/pro-choice debate is really a bunch of shades of gray.  If you are REALLY pro life, you oppose the death penalty, war, abortion, and anything else that takes a human life.  It's easy to sit in judgement and point fingers at people who support the notion that legal abortion is a necessary albeit sad reality of society, but the reality is most people's morality is not exactly mirrored by one political party.

I guess waterboarding wasn't torture when it was done to our troops during WWII and Vietnam.

 

Chase J. Nielsen, one of the U.S. airmen who flew in the Doolittle raid following the attack on Pearl Harbor, was subjected to waterboarding by his Japanese captors.[104] At their trial for war crimes following the war, he testified "Well, I was put on my back on the floor with my arms and legs stretched out, one guard holding each limb. The towel was wrapped around my face and put across my face and water poured on. They poured water on this towel until I was almost unconscious from strangulation, then they would let up until I'd get my breath, then they'd start over again... I felt more or less like I was drowning, just gasping between life and death."[33]

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Waterboarding

Nothing wrong with capital punishment other than the fact that it takes too damn long to carry out the executions. Nobody supports torture, waterboarding isn't torture. Broken bones, chopsticks in your ears, pulling out your fingernails, now that's torture. Death in war is unfortunate, but if it keeps us safe, I have no problem with it. 5,000 American soldiers dead in 7 years? Sad and unfortunate, but we lose than many in a couple of months to auto accidents.

 

Obama specifying that no money would be spent for the purpose of abortion carries as much weight as my saying it. The law that was passed permits it, and no executive decision can overrule it.

 

Next?

 

Next? You basically just stated that because you don't view torture, war, or the death penalty as an infringement on your pro life stance, you are not a hypocrite. By that logic, a democrat could say "well the fetus isn't a person yet, so killing it doesn't mean I'm not pro life...". Come on, the whole pro-life/pro-choice debate is really a bunch of shades of gray. If you are REALLY pro life, you oppose the death penalty, war, abortion, and anything else that takes a human life. It's easy to sit in judgement and point fingers at people who support the notion that legal abortion is a necessary albeit sad reality of society, but the reality is most people's morality is not exactly mirrored by one political party.

 

I guess I am "really" pro-life in edale's book then.  The death penalty is different than abortion or a just war though.

^Because you're killing an actual person instead of a fetus?

Because the unborn has never killed anyone.

 

I know the effects of sexual promiscuity and irresponsibility and the cost-benefit analysis some women calculate when they become pregnant.  I'm not a pro-lifer but I think of myself as pro-life.  For those bereft of morals, I'm more of a proponent of adoption or contraception because abortion will probably persist even if it is illegal.

 

Perhaps I'm biased though because the lives of my mother when I was in utero and her mother when my mother was in utero were both threatened by the pregnancy.  Luckily neither chose abortion and both children (not fetuses) were born. Unfortunately, one of them lost her life as a result.

I'm not a hardcore pro-choice person by any means, I just feel that because abortions will persist even if made illegal, it is important to keep it as a legal option.  Also I'm not keen on the government telling a woman what she must do with her body.  I certainly see the pro-life side as well, and I think it's very, very sad whenever an abortion occurs, but I do think it should remain legal.

 

Anyways, back to Boehner...

I think late-term should be illegal, by almost all means.

It is so frustrating sometimes..... no, downright embarrassing..... that our great State is associated in DC circles with this numbskull -

 

John Boehner Interview on Meet The Press (2)

 

 

I really cant even get past the oarangeness of this guy!!

It is so frustrating sometimes..... no, downright embarrassing..... that our great State is associated in DC circles with this numbskull -

 

John Boehner Interview on Meet The Press (2)

 

 

Yeah, talking about accountability, responsibility, reducing the deficit, enforcing laws are an embarrassment.  The nerve..

I see Boehner atleast every other week when he flies out of CVG, maybe I'll have a talk to him for you guys.  He doesn't even get screened!!!

Maybe you can get an answer out of him on this one -

 

Boehner refuses to pay for tax cuts

The meet the press guy is being completely transparent.  I wonder if he'd ask Obama if his healthcare plan is paid for? It's a silly play on words to say that "tax cuts aren't paid for," if taxes are raised, there's more money.  Raising taxes and ending tax cuts are the same exact thing, in the end. 

Jesus, he's orange...

The meet the press guy is being completely transparent. I wonder if he'd ask Obama if his healthcare plan is paid for? It's a silly play on words to say that "tax cuts aren't paid for," if taxes are raised, there's more money. Raising taxes and ending tax cuts are the same exact thing, in the end.

 

Ironically, allowing the Bush tax cuts to expire by their own terms (i.e. declining to extend the cuts) for the top tax bracket is one of the main components of how HCR will be 'paid for'

So who thinks he'll be Speaker Boehner come next January?