March 10, 200916 yr You're pictures make this place look like a ghost town. I sure hope that's not the case as it boasts a quaint Main Street appeal and style.
March 10, 200916 yr Well, at least it has signs. "You don't just walk into a bar and mix it up by calling a girl fat" - buildingcincinnati speaking about new forumers
March 10, 200916 yr At least it has buildings. Most other parts of the state with this type of economy leveled themselves a long time ago... Every economically depressed city in this state "still has buildings" and also have areas that were bombed out. Toledo is no exception. But the neighborhood looks like it has potential (kinda like an Old North Dayton or Youngstown's Briar Hill). "You don't just walk into a bar and mix it up by calling a girl fat" - buildingcincinnati speaking about new forumers
March 10, 200916 yr Dayton (thinking Roosevelt), yes, they do have commercial buildings left. Cincinnati (thinking West End), yes, they do have commericial buildings left (and new ones built). Columbus, East Main, yes, they do have old commercial buildings left. So yeah, it's not unique. "You don't just walk into a bar and mix it up by calling a girl fat" - buildingcincinnati speaking about new forumers
March 10, 200916 yr ^The difference between winter and summer is night and day in most Toledo neighborhoods. And the layoffs and unemployment are really doing a number on every part of the metro area. Even more vibrant areas are looking a lot quieter than normal this winter. You can see and feel the Greatest Depression setting in all over metro Toledo. 14% unemployment is no joke... no joke, but more recessionary than depression. i just got an april 1983 vanity fair on ebay in the mail for an article on lorain (w/ some cool, stark, depressing lee friedlander photos) and the city-wide unemployment rate was 30%. i'm sure it was much worse in pockets. not to mention, the city was coming out of the worst of it at that point. now when 1 out of 3 people are unemployed and vanity fair magazine bothers to show up....that's a depression!
March 11, 200916 yr I mean, a neighborhood record store? You don't even find those in economically vibrant areas anymore... Really?
March 11, 200916 yr no joke, but more recessionary than depression. i just got an april 1983 vanity fair on ebay in the mail for an article on lorain (w/ some cool, stark, depressing lee friedlander photos) and the city-wide unemployment rate was 30%. i'm sure it was much worse in pockets. not to mention, the city was coming out of the worst of it at that point. now when 1 out of 3 people are unemployed and vanity fair magazine bothers to show up....that's a depression! Toledo is not even close to the bottom yet (and the North Side itself has a larger population than Lorain). City-wide unemployment could peak above 40% if Chrysler goes under. I expect Lucas County to be over 20% by May. There's a big difference this time in terms of spread. The suburbs and surrounding areas are just as bad (and worse) than the city and core county. Without North Toledo, the Toledo city limits would probably be better than any suburbs of Toledo. That's how bad it is in Northwest Ohio. A recession is short and stops (like the short one in 1981-1982). This one is long and not stopping, meaning depression. We're already on month 15 and the worst is yet to come. Keep in mind too unemployment figures have a lot of rising to do just to cover what has already happened. Toledo's 14% unemployment rate does not even begin to tell you how many people are out of work. Due to layoffs that have already hit Toledo, there will be steep rise until at least June. There's no way it will stay under 20%. you are preaching gloom and it may well come true, but the fact is at that rate toledo isnt anywhere near a depression yet. also, that little recession you mentioned? it was in fact a depression in lorain and parts of ne ohio. for one thing note that the vanity fair article was done in 1983, after the so-called 1981-82 recession. its just that that one did not hit toledo like it did on the other side of the state. amship closed, lorain lost a third of its people and never really recovered. this is when youngstown went down the shutes too. back then for example i took an application to mcdonalds and they stuck it in a four-drawer file cabinet filled with applications. no chance. i waited all day in lines that wrapped around blocks for traditional summer work at the steel plant, which they just did as courtesy -- of course no one was hired. etc, etc. believe me it can be much worse and last a long long time. i'm sure youngstowners have similar stories.
March 11, 200916 yr toledo actually seems to have a lot of indie record stores: allied (the reynolds location as the hippest) ramalama culture clash that new one in uptown finders (if you care to include BG) compare to cleveland bent crayon shattered record revolution ultrasound my mind's eye hodad's (the status of any cle stores i'm unsure of, and i don't have money for music)
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