^Yes pretty much.  Because of the number of lanes and ramp configurations there isn't really the opportunity to carve out some space from the existing road bridge like was done on Kellogg.  The trail is also expected to tunnel under Beechmont, though I'm not quite sure why, since there's a path under the existing bridge next to the river.  Maybe it's to avoid the flooding problems that routinely happen on the Lunken-Armleder connector being so close to the riverbank. 

Maybe the high cost of the bridge involves creating that tunnel.  I don't know.  But the goal of creating a continuous trail between DT Cincinnati and the existing trail on the Little Miami RR hasn't really gotten any closer.  Biking into that weird loop from Wilmer under the Beechmont bridge is always annoying but it looks like it might be 2 miles shorter than taking this choppy trail.  There are hardly ever any road bikers on the Lunken trail and that's about to change.  So there's going to be plenty near-collisions with dogs, strollers, toddlers, selfie-takers, roller bladers, etc.     

Looks like the city administration is ok keeping the Central Parkway bike lane:

 

A new report detailing Central Parkway traffic accidents says that the number of them along a stretch of the road that has protected bike lanes isn’t out of the ordinary, and City Manager Harry Black recommends keeping them in place.

“Given the reduced risk of injury to bicyclists, the administration does not recommend removal of the bike lanes,” according to the memo from Black.

http://www.bizjournals.com/cincinnati/news/2016/03/24/city-manager-makes-suggestion-for-future-of.html

 

I wish the study had looked more carefully at the traffic numbers to see if having the "rush hour restricted parking" is even necessary, give how little traffic that segment gets (and since it has relatively few stop lights). I think the street would work much better for cyclists, businesses, and cars if the city allowed parking on street at all hours. That would get rid of the "surprise" factor of occasionally seeing a car where you don't expect it. The lanes could be striped more clearly. Businesses could always count on having street parking.

 

^ Even if they don't allow parking at all hours, they should re-stripe the lane as a parking lane. The lane is a driving lane for 3 hours a day, on weekdays only. In reality it is a parking lane that you can drive in at very limited times, but it is striped as a driving lane that you can sometimes park in. The striping does not match the usage, in my opinion, and is really what causes the confusion.

 

I think something similar to this would make sense:

 

Yeah, the "Caution Parked Cars" paint is a little odd. Ignore the bike lanes entirely -- could you imagine if we painted "Caution Parked Cars" on other roads across the city where parking lanes convert to driving lanes during peak hours? It would be extremely confusing to drivers.

So, apparently, the city has pulled the report for

Looks like the city administration is ok keeping the Central Parkway bike lane:

 

A new report detailing Central Parkway traffic accidents says that the number of them along a stretch of the road that has protected bike lanes isn’t out of the ordinary, and City Manager Harry Black recommends keeping them in place.

“Given the reduced risk of injury to bicyclists, the administration does not recommend removal of the bike lanes,” according to the memo from Black.

http://www.bizjournals.com/cincinnati/news/2016/03/24/city-manager-makes-suggestion-for-future-of.html

 

 

So, the city has suddenly pulled the report down for further "administrative review".

 

The report "was issued prematurely ... before being presented to the city manager for review, the item was not fully vetted and has not undergone a complete administrative review," according to a statement from city spokesman Rocky Merz.

 

Here's the original document if anyone wants to see it. It will be fun to compare it to the sanitized version that will surely come out after Harry Black redacts any positive statements about bike lanes.

From the way that statement is worded, it sounds like the report was compiled by city workers, who gave it to Black, who issued it upon his review. What further administrative reviews are their aside from Black? Is the "complete administrative review" simply Cranley looking at it? Does the mayor get to review everything the manager does?

 

Luckily, I can't imagine even someone like Cranley will be able to weasel his way out of this one.

That how the Cranley administration operates -- every outward communication has to be review by the Mayor and City Manager before it is released. Department heads are no long allowed to speak to the media. Apparently this snuck through somehow.

Seattle's bikeshare program is floundering...Seattle is also hilly and their bikeshare bikes are also heavy:

http://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/politics/seattle-city-council-votes-to-buy-struggling-pronto-bike-share-program/

 

I haven't seen somebody on one of the red bikes up by UC in months.  I have to imagine that several of those stations are getting zero use on some days. 

i just looked it up...Seattle requires helmets.  It's adding a lot of expense to the bikeshare program and discouraging people since they don't want to wear the dorky helmets.  And sure enough, the person in this video is not wearing a helmet properly.  It needs to be a lot tighter than what they're showing here. 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wKG8WFTbwdI

Oh my goodness.  Why do they have a mandatory helmet law? That's terrible.

Helmet laws don't really work for casual riders because casual riders don't wear helmets correctly.  You often see people forcing their little kids to wear helmets to bike around the driveway, but the thing is hanging off the back of their head practically like a head backpack. 

I haven't seen somebody on one of the red bikes up by UC in months.  I have to imagine that several of those stations are getting zero use on some days. 

 

I saw a woman - probably a college student - working her way up Clifton Avenue on a Red Bike, and she was struggling. I bet she doesn't do that again.

 

I have been tracking the parked red bikes in the rack in front of McMicken Hall. They are in fact moving. Yet, it is rare that I ever see anyone riding.

 

Really? I go up to Clifton to hang out with my brother and my friends who own a place on Bishop and regularly see people using them.

^I'm trying not to be judgemental about the red bikes. I have never ridden one myself. I have been paying attention to them, and have only seen two riders, and I pass by the racks regularly. 

I use them a lot, but I live in the CBD. I don't think I'd ever take one up to the campus area, but would definitely consider going down! I see people using them pretty much daily down in the CBD and OTR. I've even taken one from Covington back to 4th street.

I wonder if our hillside neighborhoods came roaring back- such as Little Bethlehem in Mt. Auburn- if we would see a profusion of electric bikes. Is that happening in hilly neighborhoods in Seattle?

I was wondering if glencoe was still standing, even though they were demolished in 2013, if things would be different today and a developer could go there and be successful.  You would think so with the urban living trend accelerating, the new builds in the uptown area, and the proximity to Christ Hospital.  Now think if a light rail tunnel station was right there as well... oh one can dream of the possibilities  :clap:

I walked around in those buildings a few times over the years when they were vacant and the layouts of the units was very strange.  The units were very narrow (maybe just 12 feet wide), with just one room per floor, and very narrow staircases.  They gave the appearance of being buildings that could be rehabbed in a traditional way but they weren't.  I think originally each walk-up was three one-bedroom apartments.  But by today's standards it would have been three oddly-shaped micro-apartments. 

 

Wrong thread but a bunch more has been torn down in that area in the past two months and it's obvious that a few huge developments will be going in soon from the former Glencoe site north to Wellington. 

I wonder if our hillside neighborhoods came roaring back- such as Little Bethlehem in Mt. Auburn- if we would see a profusion of electric bikes. Is that happening in hilly neighborhoods in Seattle?

 

If electric bikes improve enough and get cheaper, we can do an electric bike share, and that will really change things.  The big problem with electric bikes now is that they are expensive enough that they are an irresistible target for thieves.  Losing a $2,000+ electric bike to theft as opposed to a $500 commuter bike is a pretty hard hit. 

 

I wonder if our hillside neighborhoods came roaring back- such as Little Bethlehem in Mt. Auburn- if we would see a profusion of electric bikes. Is that happening in hilly neighborhoods in Seattle?

 

If electric bikes improve enough and get cheaper, we can do an electric bike share, and that will really change things.  The big problem with electric bikes now is that they are expensive enough that they are an irresistible target for thieves.  Losing a $2,000+ electric bike to theft as opposed to a $500 commuter bike is a pretty hard hit. 

 

 

Madrid has an electric bike share, seems to work pretty well.

I wonder if our hillside neighborhoods came roaring back- such as Little Bethlehem in Mt. Auburn- if we would see a profusion of electric bikes. Is that happening in hilly neighborhoods in Seattle?

 

If electric bikes improve enough and get cheaper, we can do an electric bike share, and that will really change things.  The big problem with electric bikes now is that they are expensive enough that they are an irresistible target for thieves.  Losing a $2,000+ electric bike to theft as opposed to a $500 commuter bike is a pretty hard hit. 

 

 

Madrid has an electric bike share, seems to work pretty well.

Maybe you could have electric Redbike stations next to the regular Redbike stations at the top and botom of the hills. That way if you were going from the Banks to UC you could take a regular Redbike to the base of the hill, check it in and check out an electric bike, and trade it again fur a regular Redbike at the top of the hill (maybe have additional electric stations at key points Uptown as well.) would make sense since it's no trouble to check a bike in and out (you have to do it for time purposes anyway.)

I haven't seen somebody on one of the red bikes up by UC in months.  I have to imagine that several of those stations are getting zero use on some days.

 

I would be shocked if any of the stations in uptown are getting zero usage on any given day. (Except maybe the one by the Clifton Library, which is still relatively new and out of he way.)  I see many, many people riding them down the hills. In fact, just last week I was riding from the Vine & University station to Findlay Market and I was one of SEVEN RedBike users going down the Vine St hill at the same time. I didn't even know these people. (If I did, I would've told the five that were riding down on the sidewalk to get the heck off the sidewalk.)

I was wondering if glencoe was still standing, even though they were demolished in 2013, if things would be different today and a developer could go there and be successful.  You would think so with the urban living trend accelerating, the new builds in the uptown area, and the proximity to Christ Hospital.  Now think if a light rail tunnel station was right there as well... oh one can dream of the possibilities  :clap:

 

I think lack of access was traditionally a big problem for this area with it literally earning the nickname the "Glencoe Hole"... A light rail station would definitely change things in that regard.

I don't know how people are seeing all of these bikes in use in the uptown area.  I live here and work 28 hours per week on nights and weekends next to UC.  I work elsewhere during the week during regular business hours but I have seen maybe one person on a red bike so far in 2016 on a weeknight or on the weekends.   

 

Each bikeshare bike is being used on average 6 times per day in New York, which has the highest use in the country.  Most of the rest of the country is getting around 2 rentals per day per bike.  I can't imagine that the uptown stations are getting 2 rentals per day. 

 

 

 

 

 

Is Red Bike's data available anywhere?  I'd love to see a ranking of stations by overall usage and common station-to-station routes.

This is a bit off topic in regards to the current discussion on Red Bike, but I wanted to make a comment on the bike lanes on Delta Avenue.

 

I live on Delta in the area where Columbia Tusculum turns to Mount Lookout.  It seems these lanes are getting really good use.  I see a lot of people riding throughout the day and especially weekends.  It seems a lot more than I saw last year at this time.

 

I remember last year I think it was that Mayor Cranley had stated the bike lanes on Delta were a huge problem and causing back ups and things.  I vehemently disagree.  There is traffic going north on Delta through Mt. Lookout Square at rush hour, but that's about it.

 

I also think, if other people live in the area, that it would help if they changed the 35 mph limit to 30 on Delta.  People simply fly on that road and there have been more than one occassion where I was turning right into my complex and waiting on a bike to move past, but a car behind me is on my ass and starts honking their horn like if they wait 2 seconds for me to turn they will die.  They obviously fail to realize that there is a group of bikes coming past. 

 

I am sure as time moves on people will become more patient but I can't help to think that this road should be 30-25 mph from Mt. Lookout Square all the way to Columbia Parkway.

If I remember correctly the only data they've released is system-wide and the "most used" stations, but nothing else. I'd love to see it as well if it exists.

This is a bit off topic in regards to the current discussion on Red Bike, but I wanted to make a comment on the bike lanes on Delta Avenue.

 

I live on Delta in the area where Columbia Tusculum turns to Mount Lookout.  It seems these lanes are getting really good use.  I see a lot of people riding throughout the day and especially weekends.  It seems a lot more than I saw last year at this time.

 

I remember last year I think it was that Mayor Cranley had stated the bike lanes on Delta were a huge problem and causing back ups and things.  I vehemently disagree.  There is traffic going north on Delta through Mt. Lookout Square at rush hour, but that's about it.

 

I also think, if other people live in the area, that it would help if they changed the 35 mph limit to 30 on Delta.  People simply fly on that road and there have been more than one occassion where I was turning right into my complex and waiting on a bike to move past, but a car behind me is on my a$$ and starts honking their horn like if they wait 2 seconds for me to turn they will die.  They obviously fail to realize that there is a group of bikes coming past. 

 

I am sure as time moves on people will become more patient but I can't help to think that this road should be 30-25 mph from Mt. Lookout Square all the way to Columbia Parkway.

 

I don't live in the area, but I've enjoyed having them while driving on Delta in my car.  It makes Delta feel less like freeway and more like a road than it did before.  I agree about slowing the cars down, but I think you'd see better results with additional traffic calming measures that cause drivers to subliminally slow down than you would by simply lowering the speed limit.  People are going to drive as fast as they feel safe driving.

But what else would you do to Delta to further calm it?  The bike lanes, parking, and proximity of houses and sidewalks to the street are already pretty good.  The lanes are all quite narrow too (it was originally a 6 lane street but I think it's only about 55' wide, so even with parked cars snugged up to the curb the right lane was always pretty scary tight).  There's so many driveways I don't see much opportunity to do medians.  The only other option is to add buffers to the bike lanes and eliminate the center turn lane, similar to how many streets in Chicago are striped, like Halsted or Clark, but I don't see that flying.

Make the turn lane and intersections a rougher material that isn't so rough that it would cause damage at speed, but would cause people to slow down as they cross intersections?

 

Curb bumpouts would be nice but there really aren't all that many intersections along Delta so they probably wouldn't do much other than create a temporary slowing of traffic before they accelerate again after the intersection.

 

Delta is challenging for exactly that reason. There are lots of driveways, sure, but not a lot of intersections that create a temporary stop to the flow of traffic. But it is definitely a road that encourages subconscious speeding. I've found myself going 10 over driving on Delta without realizing it since going the speed limit feels like you're moving slower than you should be.

Granite blocks in the center turn lane would be nice, especially if there was a slight curb ramp that would discourage using the lane for passing.  Plus you really don't want cars driving over rough surfaces quickly because it makes a ton of noise.  The stamped brick crosswalks on MLK Blvd. in Covington are disturbingly loud when cars drive over them even at the speed limit.  They don't even look that rough since they're just stamped concrete https://goo.gl/maps/QNJisFz5i712   

Well biking Delta was about as easy as it gets before the bike lanes and I suppose some people feel safer with the lanes but unfortunately they put the bicyclist a little too close to the doors of parked cars, any car that might suddenly pull out of a parking space, and people pulling out of driveways.  On any street like this I'm usually still pretty much just biking a foot or two out in the travel lane until a string of cars come along and then I slow down and briefly get over in the bike lane.  On a road bike you can easily top 30mph going downhill on Delta and it's totally safe if you're out in the car lane because you have much better visibility of everything going on and cars can see you.  You can get killed doing the same thing in the bike lane. 

When visiting Cincy I've taken them down hill - its really fun actually.  Wish the streetcar went up as it would be a lot easier to transport that way.

 

 

I think its really best for going between OTR and Covington/Newport - the Eggleston shortcut makes it so nice!  Shame the mayor is so anti bikelane because I couldn't think of a better place to put one.

I use Eggleston every morning to get from my place in OTR to Columbia Parkway. It's such a great road to quickly get to the riverfront. And has no need being as wide as it is. The right lane is more or less never used except for people who are too impatient to drive the speed limit which we shouldn't prioritize.

 

Plus Eggleston is perfectly setup for tons of urban redevelopment but that's another topic.

So, tonight I am disappointed with a response I got from the Urban Basin cycling group.

 

"I was alerted by several folks from CSX and NS this evening regarding a ride out to the south end of Queensgate.

 

In short, multiple security cameras and videos/photos from crews recorded numerous riders out on active railroad bridges, between rails, climbing the floodwall and impeding rail traffic into and out of Queensgate.

 

From a source: "M574 had to stop at Yard 2. Y294 had to hold at Storrs and CIND was making a move to get on cars on the bypass."

 

My source had to call the hump tower yardmaster who then had to stop the trains who were about to cross the bridge for the safety of the cyclists. Another conductor had to back his train up to Longworth Hall, causing a major delay of a train trying to enter Queensgate.

 

Looking at the footage, some of the bikes were Red Bikes and that information is tracked with GPS and tied to a specific individual.

 

I can't disclose any information outside of what I've shared - but that the CSX/NS railroad police may or may not be involved at this point and that information from Red Bike may be obtained. Stay out of Queensgate folks."

 

The response has been attached as an image, but an admin called the individual filming a pedophile drug dealing "fat" person. That person called into the hump tower and NOT to the railroad police - being generous because railroad police have notorious track records. Crews from NS and CSX were dispatched to take care of the cyclists but by the time they arrived, the group had left.

 

An apology would have sufficed and the issue could have been settled, but the response given from the group all but sealed the deal. I didn't report it - but I relayed the message over to the "fat" pedophile drug dealer who has since reported it to NS/CSX police. A call to Red Bike will also take place so that information can be obtained from the bikes - they are GPS tagged and each bike is, of course, synced to an individual's credit card.

 

While the admin said he didn't see a train - they saw you. There was one waiting about 1000' west under the Southern Bridge with an approach signal but couldn't move because of all the cyclists. Stay out of railroad yards people.

So, tonight I am disappointed with a response I got from the Urban Basin cycling group.

 

"I was alerted by several folks from CSX and NS this evening regarding a ride out to the south end of Queensgate.

 

In short, multiple security cameras and videos/photos from crews recorded numerous riders out on active railroad bridges, between rails, climbing the floodwall and impeding rail traffic into and out of Queensgate.

 

From a source: "M574 had to stop at Yard 2. Y294 had to hold at Storrs and CIND was making a move to get on cars on the bypass."

 

My source had to call the hump tower yardmaster who then had to stop the trains who were about to cross the bridge for the safety of the cyclists. Another conductor had to back his train up to Longworth Hall, causing a major delay of a train trying to enter Queensgate.

 

Looking at the footage, some of the bikes were Red Bikes and that information is tracked with GPS and tied to a specific individual.

 

I can't disclose any information outside of what I've shared - but that the CSX/NS railroad police may or may not be involved at this point and that information from Red Bike may be obtained. Stay out of Queensgate folks."

 

The response has been attached as an image, but an admin called the individual filming a pedophile drug dealing "fat" person. That person called into the hump tower and NOT to the railroad police - being generous because railroad police have notorious track records. Crews from NS and CSX were dispatched to take care of the cyclists but by the time they arrived, the group had left.

 

An apology would have sufficed and the issue could have been settled, but the response given from the group all but sealed the deal. I didn't report it - but I relayed the message over to the "fat" pedophile drug dealer who has since reported it to NS/CSX police. A call to Red Bike will also take place so that information can be obtained from the bikes - they are GPS tagged and each bike is, of course, synced to an individual's credit card.

 

While the admin said he didn't see a train - they saw you. There was one waiting about 1000' west under the Southern Bridge with an approach signal but couldn't move because of all the cyclists. Stay out of railroad yards people.

I saw your post on this on my Facebook feed, but couldn't find it again.

 

Basically, this is a classic example of the Entitled mindset we see from some riders, especially those who ride in packs.  It's similar to the way they block traffic against lights to let their whole group flow through in busy downtowns.

 

Bicycles ridden on streets need to have traceable license plates.

Yeah come on, I mean is one guy going to yell at a crowd of people to piss off in the first place? I maybe would, but I know most people wouldn't do that.  Second off, I assume the Urban Bicycling Club is made up of adults.  If this gets out to the Enquirer it won't be a good look.

I wasn't on that ride and don't know anything other than what was just posted here, but if the area in question is that place where Mehring Way ends I could see what caused the confusion. I have been back there before - Google Maps shows the PUBLIC road continuing under the viaduct and over a bridge - I had to use CAGIS to figure out where the actual public road ends and private property starts, though the property boundary overlaps the public ROW. Even the Google Streetview car went onto the railroads property. It's definitely not clearly indicated as railroad property. I thought it was a pretty popular spot for railfanning - which is what this incident seems to have more to do with than biking. 

Is this foamer upset because some bikes screwed up a shot of one of his precious trains?

I missed #11462 because of those damn bikers. It NEVER goes through there!

Yeah come on, I mean is one guy going to yell at a crowd of people to piss off in the first place? I maybe would, but I know most people wouldn't do that.  Second off, I assume the Urban Bicycling Club is made up of adults.  If this gets out to the Enquirer it won't be a good look.

 

Consider it there.

 

Coston's off the wall accusations just turned this guy into someone with a real grudge.

 

 

It seems some people want to make this more about themselves than anything else.

 

Keep in mind that "Queensgate" is one of Cincinnati's 52 neighborhoods. It was created via urban renewal/removal. Relocating and demolishing one of our densest and most historic neighborhoods--primarily populated by poor African Americans. While the railroad now controls a large portion of it, they do not control it all. "Stay out of Queensgate" seems to imply otherwise.

 

In the future I would suggest carefully identified boundaries indicating what is private property and what is not so people can avoid these issues in the future.

I've walked or ridden a bike and taken photographs down in that area myself and never had an issue.  There are no signs in that area telling you that you are trespassing and in fact, as has been stated by others, some of that dirt is in fact a public road.  I remember that the "road" leads back to big piles of coal.  My grandfather used to go down there and swipe pieces of coal to give as Christmas presents.  Really. 

Also, Sherman, nobody called the guy "fat." There was a "heavy" guy in a pick up truck filming people with his camera. Not saying anything. It was kind of creepy. He was not in any type of uniform or anything that would identify him with any particular railroad. Moreover if you continued reading you would have seen that the UBBC said they would not go in there in the future.

Also, Sherman, nobody called the guy "fat." There was a "heavy" guy in a pick up truck filming people with his camera. Not saying anything. It was kind of creepy. He was not in any type of uniform or anything that would identify him with any particular railroad. Moreover if you continued reading you would have seen that the UBBC said they would not go in there in the future.

 

"Instead some fat guy looking to do something illegal...."

 

This is how you make enemies.  It's a good example of the kind of thing that would make Trump a bad President.

Casey, you should read what you wrote - and see the attached screenshot of where you called the individual - who was flagging the train, a pedophile, fat, and a drug dealer. You literally used the word "fat" when you described him. And above, you used "heavy." How creative.

 

At this point, Red Bike has been informed of your specific actions. I'm just carrying the message but I'm disappointed how someone who claims to be an advocate for cycling can be so judgmental against others. And if this gets out to the Enquirer, how would you think others would react?

 

I wouldn't have shared what you wrote except that you went off the rails describing someone who is a tireless advocate for railroads - and someone who has worked in capacity for those railroads for many years.

 

Bicycles ridden on streets need to have traceable license plates.

 

This is a no good, very bad, HORRIBLE idea.

 

1. Bikes are the cleanest transport we have to cover greater than walking distances, any barrier to entry we put on them would discourage use and be bad for environment

 

2. Terrible idea from an equity/equality standpoint, bikes are also the cheapest transport other than walking. Would you really cite a poor person for an unlicensed bicycle?

 

3. Would create the insane dystopian situation of regulating bikes more than guns

 

4. From a libertarian standpoint why should the government regulate a low tech utilitarian device like a bicycle. Might as well force people to register a box of hand tools

 

Bicycles ridden on streets need to have traceable license plates.

 

This is a no good, very bad, HORRIBLE idea.

 

1. Bikes are the cleanest transport we have to cover greater than walking distances, any barrier to entry we put on them would discourage use and be bad for environment

 

2. Terrible idea from an equity/equality standpoint, bikes are also the cheapest transport other than walking. Would you really cite a poor person for an unlicensed bicycle?

 

3. Would create the insane dystopian situation of regulating bikes more than guns

 

4. From a libertarian standpoint why should the government regulate a low tech utilitarian device like a bicycle. Might as well force people to register a box of hand tools

Casey, you should read what you wrote - and see the attached screenshot of where you called the individual - who was flagging the train, a pedophile, fat, and a drug dealer. You literally used the word "fat" when you described him. And above, you used "heavy." How creative.

 

At this point, Red Bike has been informed of your specific actions. I'm just carrying the message but I'm disappointed how someone who claims to be an advocate for cycling can be so judgmental against others. And if this gets out to the Enquirer, how would you think others would react?

 

I wouldn't have shared what you wrote except that you went off the rails describing someone who is a tireless advocate for railroads - and someone who has worked in capacity for those railroads for many years.

Sorry Sherman, first I said "heavy," then I started getting more annoyed as to how this all went down.  My apologies.

 

That said, I am not comfortable being filmed in isolated barren areas by strangers who do not identify themselves. I have run into some strange people down in that area, including people living there under overpasses.

 

That, in and of itself, would have made a world of difference.

 

I look forward to seeing clearer signage and security so we avoid any confusion in the future. I suspect it is being done now as I type.

 

Thank you. I think that if you had avoided that language in the first place, much of this issue could have been cleared up (he was pretty upset at your wordings). He did have a right to film - and to not identify, but some open dialogue from the group would have been great. If you were uncomfortable, you should have said something; it's not his responsibility or task to be open with you since you were on private grounds. And a large group descending upon the yard - I'm not sure I would have said something either. He wasn't just a foamer (although that's a good description), but a worker who has an obligation to his company and to those he works with.

 

I've relayed your message of cooperation to him and indirectly to CSX/NS. Thanks!