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1 hour ago, LifeLongClevelander said:

 

It all depends on what regional pursuit policy is adopted, the city of Cleveland's policy or that of the suburbs.

Hopefully the Kevin Kelly/Council presser last weekend will cause some change to allow some chases from CPD in the near future.  

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      I mean let's be real, let's not act like a majority of the white people who live in Mentor didnt move there because their previous Cleveland Neighborhood or inner ring suburb was getting to diverse to

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    1 hour ago, Cleburger said:

    Hopefully the Kevin Kelly/Council presser last weekend will cause some change to allow some chases from CPD in the near future.  

     

    I share your thoughts.  Something must change.  These criminals have their escapes well-planned.  Get into Cleveland and they have made their getaway.  In the very least, the criminals are in their "home turf".  If the chase continues, unless the pursuing suburban officers have a good knowledge of the area in Cleveland, they are at a disadvantage.  They are on their own without CPD's help and if something goes wrong, they get hung out to dry.  

     

    In the end, it just creates more victims.

    Drug trafficking, money laundering ran through Tibor’s Kosher Meats, US Attorney says

    https://www.clevelandjewishnews.com/news/local_news/drug-trafficking-money-laundering-ran-through-tibor-s-kosher-meats-us-attorney-says/article_d0049020-867f-11eb-b8d7-b3ddd61e7540.amp.html

     

    And west side....

     

    This is across the street from Peppers Cafe....

     

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    Lakewood: Shots Fired/ Perp Search.  12504 Detroit. Metro PCS.  Male in the store fired gunshots.  Fled from the store on foot at about 6pm.

    "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck

    6 minutes ago, Pugu said:

    I'm sure teachers and school staff talk about students all the time with each other. So I'm curious what this is all about.  Six people put on administrative leave and a police investigation? And the article doesn't say anything other than what I just said now. 

     

    https://www.cleveland.com/news/2021/03/rocky-river-police-conducting-investigation-into-report-of-high-school-staff-talking-inappropriately-about-student.html

    Yeah you would think it would have to be either sexual or racist or something at that level for it to warrant this.

    For the police to be involved, I can only imagine that the "talk" involved sex, drugs, or some other sort of illegal activity and the administration thought the "talk" was credible evidence that there was more than talk on the part of at least one of the staff.

    All the article says is the staffed talked ABOUT a student “in an inappropriate manner.”  Who knows...

    Rumors: 

     

    ^If that is true, you'd think people would be smarter these days about zoom and having a live camera/mic on them.

    My guess is if police are involved, then they have the Zoom recording.

     

    "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck

    8 minutes ago, KJP said:

     

    This reminds me of when I first moved to Lakewood. There were 3 shooting deaths in one year. It was 2007, I think. I'm hoping things quiet down but summer is coming...

    On 3/15/2021 at 5:24 PM, sizzlinbeef said:

    Back in September:

     

    https://www.clevelandjewishnews.com/news/local_news/federal-agents-raid-tibor-s-kosher-meats-and-three-houses/article_1e739f90-fcf5-11ea-87ad-17bd15f32321.html

     

    I was walking with my family on Larchmont that day as a steady stream (maybe 15 total?) of gray, white, and black unmarked and dark window-tinted vehicles with out-of-state plates continued to pass by us and then stop in front of this house.  It was quite the spectacle and we all stopped to watch. And then out come the federal agents from all of these cars, one of whom apologized to us for 'disturbing our neighborhood', surround the house and conduct their operation. 

     

    After reading it was an FDA raid, I figured it was maybe a Kosher-related thing, or something to do with the recent sale of Tibor's. Still, the scale of the raid seemed kind of ridiculous. I had been waiting for some follow-up news on it, and lo and behold it was a bit more insidious:

     

    https://www.cleveland.com/court-justice/2021/03/prosecutors-in-cleveland-seek-more-than-5-million-in-assets-through-forfeiture-from-accused-thc-trafficking-ring.html

     

    Now that orange Lambo I saw parked in front of the house over the summer makes a little more sense.

     

     

     

    Pre-conviction "forfeiture" really needs to be abolished.   It way too often abused and open to much more abuse.   Including for political reasons.

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    On 2/9/2021 at 10:36 AM, skiwest said:

    It is sad that so many crimes in the area are being committed by young teens.

     

    The county juvenile justice system is broken.   Records are sealed, so voters don't know which judges are tough and which are lenient.  Not even victims know.   But the families of defendants sure do.

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    23 hours ago, E Rocc said:

     

    The county juvenile justice system is broken.   Records are sealed, so voters don't know which judges are tough and which are lenient.  Not even victims know.   But the families of defendants sure do.

     

    It is extremely alarming to hear of the drastic increase of violent crimes being committed by younger and younger teens.  Robberies, shootings and assaults are being committed by youths that have barely reached the age of being a teenager.  A 14-year old that was a part of group of teens that had committed 40 carjackings in recent months, including SEVEN in one day.  Then it comes out that this kid had been released from house arrest stemming from previous robberies and violence as "he was doing good in school".  These kids know how to play the supposed legal minds that are running the criminal justice system.  If as early teens they can play the system now, what kinds of masterminds and ringleaders will they become when older with years of experience to build on?

     

    By the way, in that spree of 7 carjackings in one day, CPD had requested for permission to pursue 4 times and had their requests rejected each time.  "Kids" play magistrates and know how to get away from being caught.  How long before we hear of crime sprees from 10-year olds?

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    On 3/24/2021 at 11:59 PM, LifeLongClevelander said:

     

    It is extremely alarming to hear of the drastic increase of violent crimes being committed by younger and younger teens.  Robberies, shootings and assaults are being committed by youths that have barely reached the age of being a teenager.  A 14-year old that was a part of group of teens that had committed 40 carjackings in recent months, including SEVEN in one day.  Then it comes out that this kid had been released from house arrest stemming from previous robberies and violence as "he was doing good in school".  These kids know how to play the supposed legal minds that are running the criminal justice system.  If as early teens they can play the system now, what kinds of masterminds and ringleaders will they become when older with years of experience to build on?

     

    By the way, in that spree of 7 carjackings in one day, CPD had requested for permission to pursue 4 times and had their requests rejected each time.  "Kids" play magistrates and know how to get away from being caught.  How long before we hear of crime sprees from 10-year olds?

     

    I'm wondering if the utter brutality and callousness of the carjacking caught on video in DC this weekend will strike some nerves.    The carjackers were 13 and 15 year old girls.

    ^A fully unmarked club, no signage outside....   Lucky that, of 7 that ended up at a hospital, zero died (unless they died in the club and were taken out back and dumped somewhere).

     

    In any event, this location is Old Brooklyn--and while suburban in feel--should be the CLE crime thread vs the suburban one.

    7 hours ago, Pugu said:

    ^A fully unmarked club, no signage outside....   Lucky that, of 7 that ended up at a hospital, zero died (unless they died in the club and were taken out back and dumped somewhere).

     

    In any event, this location is Old Brooklyn--and while suburban in feel--should be the CLE crime thread vs the suburban one.

     

    I saw a video of a girl ducking and the cinder block behind her essentially exploding

    On 3/15/2021 at 9:58 PM, LifeLongClevelander said:

     

    I share your thoughts.  Something must change.  These criminals have their escapes well-planned.  Get into Cleveland and they have made their getaway.  In the very least, the criminals are in their "home turf".  If the chase continues, unless the pursuing suburban officers have a good knowledge of the area in Cleveland, they are at a disadvantage.  They are on their own without CPD's help and if something goes wrong, they get hung out to dry.  

     

    In the end, it just creates more victims.

    Maybe the county could investigate using some sort of drone for tracking vehicles, allow the police to back off and not speed during their pursuit.

     

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    More on the shootings at the unlabeled night club--a "motorcycle club" acc to this story:

     

    "CLEVELAND (AP) – Authorities say a shootout at a private motorcycle club in Cleveland that left seven people wounded was apparently sparked by a dispute involving a man and a woman.

    The shooting occurred around 3 a.m. Sunday inside the Spot Night Club. Authorities say the man involved in the argument apparently fired a single gunshot during the dispute, and several people inside the club then pulled out guns and started firing...."

     

    Nice to see everybody packing heat....

     

    https://www.wkbn.com/news/ohio/7-hurt-when-fight-sparked-shootout-at-cleveland-motorcycle-club/

     

     

    ECPD seems to be involved in a lot of chases lately. Now the financially weak, crime-ridden city is down a police cruiser. Maybe there are better alternatives to chasing? 

     

     

    "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck

    11 hours ago, KJP said:

    ECPD seems to be involved in a lot of chases lately. Now the financially weak, crime-ridden city is down a police cruiser. Maybe there are better alternatives to chasing? 

     

    East Cleveland has a history in recent years of receiving hand-me-downs from several suburbs.  They will just tap into the retired municipal equipment pipeline again for replacements.  For that city, receiving surplus retired backup cruisers, rescue squads and whatever else will allow them to put into service equipment that is better than what they have been using in front-line service.

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    "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck

    Second shooting at Madison Park basketball courts in a month. And the shooter apparently caught in Parma.

     

     

    "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck

    ^ Perhaps it's time to move the basketball court close by the police station. 

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    3 hours ago, skiwest said:

     Police called to Pinecrest Mall for "situation" with juveniles.

     

    https://www.cleveland19.com/2021/06/18/police-respond-pinecrest-mall-orange/

    If this type of incident happens a few more times, it will be the beginning of the end of Pinecrest the same way it led to the end of Randall Park Mall, Euclid Square Mall, Richmond Town Square Mall and is a contributing factor in the decline of Beachwood Place Mall.  Pinecrest has already been facing financial issues (ownership transferred to lender due to looming foreclosure).  This will only make matters worse.  Once a reputation of a problem spot is achieved, it is finished.

    7 hours ago, LifeLongClevelander said:

    If this type of incident happens a few more times, it will be the beginning of the end of Pinecrest the same way it led to the end of Randall Park Mall, Euclid Square Mall, Richmond Town Square Mall and is a contributing factor in the decline of Beachwood Place Mall.  Pinecrest has already been facing financial issues (ownership transferred to lender due to looming foreclosure).  This will only make matters worse.  Once a reputation of a problem spot is achieved, it is finished.

    I was there today for lunch and no signs of what you speak of yet.   Crowded restaurants and stores.   No street parking available.   I asked my colleague who invited me to lunch out there about this incident, and he hadn't even heard about it (he lives up the street).  

    20 minutes ago, Cleburger said:

    I was there today for lunch and no signs of what you speak of yet.   Crowded restaurants and stores.   No street parking available.   I asked my colleague who invited me to lunch out there about this incident, and he hadn't even heard about it (he lives up the street).  

    Well, the incident was one of the lead stories on all news outlets.  That is exactly how things started the decline at Beachwood Place.  A social media-induced mob of older kids/young adults rushed one of the anchor department stores (Dillards?) or the mall.  Whichever location wasn't rushed the first time got rushed another time, again by a huge mob of kids/young adults.  Robberies, multiple shootings and drug deals in the parking lot got significant media coverage.  

     

    One bad "event" doesn't mean that much.  If nothing negative along these lines happens, it gets forgotten about.  When they starting happening at Beachwood Place more often, the seeds get "planted".  A bad reputation starts forming.

    20 hours ago, LifeLongClevelander said:

    Well, the incident was one of the lead stories on all news outlets.  That is exactly how things started the decline at Beachwood Place.  A social media-induced mob of older kids/young adults rushed one of the anchor department stores (Dillards?) or the mall.  Whichever location wasn't rushed the first time got rushed another time, again by a huge mob of kids/young adults.  Robberies, multiple shootings and drug deals in the parking lot got significant media coverage.  

     

    One bad "event" doesn't mean that much.  If nothing negative along these lines happens, it gets forgotten about.  When they starting happening at Beachwood Place more often, the seeds get "planted".  A bad reputation starts forming.

    Beachwood is in the position it's in because this region found it perfectly reasonable to open another shopping center just a mile from Beachwood and Legacy, poaching anchor stores over to the new shiny Pinecrest. 

    Beachwood's issues started well before Pinecrest opened.

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    9 minutes ago, AsDustinFoxWouldSay said:

    Beachwood is in the position it's in because this region found it perfectly reasonable to open another shopping center just a mile from Beachwood and Legacy, poaching anchor stores over to the new shiny Pinecrest. 

    The over saturation of retail shopping space is not just a problem in this region.  It is a national problem and it has been growing for decades.  The problem is only getting worse as shopping habits have accelerated away from brick-and-mortar businesses.  Evolving to a newer retail model (i.e. Legacy Village, Crocker Park, Pinecrest, etc...) isn't going to solve it.  They will make it worse. The new shopping shopping districts will just leave more decline in their wakes as retailers either move to the new developments or go out of business due to excessive competition.  Older shopping areas will see lower-tier businesses move in and vacancies increase.

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    Ironically this is very clearly not the right thread for this, but I just wanted to say the current freak out in Hudson about a "writing prompts" book is hilarious.

     

    https://www.cleveland.com/news/2021/09/summit-county-prosecutor-on-controversial-book-used-at-hudson-high-school-fictional-writing-prompts-are-not-child-pornography.html

     

    Lol "Common Sense Governance" at the top his his website: https://www.craigshubert.com/  

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    Nasty stuff in the suburbs too, tonight 

     

    "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck

    On 9/19/2021 at 11:34 PM, KJP said:

    Nasty stuff in the suburbs too, tonight 

     

     

    Turns out a 21 year old woman apparently unknown to them broke in and started fighting with the 69 year old husband, and his 72 year old wife shot her

     

    What made her pick that house is unknown and may never be.   A bit of internet tracing shows a troubled young woman whose dad was trying to get her to come home.   Tragic all around, but the homeowner can't really be faulted.

     

     

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    On 11/2/2021 at 3:14 PM, LibertyBlvd said:

    wtf

     

    https://www.cleveland.com/metro/2021/11/two-boys-13-and-12-arrested-in-connection-with-fatal-shooting-of-14-year-old-boy-in-maple-heights.html

     

    In the daytime, no less.   One wonders what kind of juvenile record these two had and if a judge let them slide.   It's sealed, of course.

    Odd thing I noted, he may be somehow related to MHHS football coach Shaq Washington.   The shirt he is wearing in the pictures that have been published looks to be one of the state championship era jerseys they sold a few years back to raise money for the team.   I have one just like it, my old #83.    But it's #7, that was Washington's, and I know for a fact that he was given his before they were sold.

    On 9/20/2010 at 2:22 PM, TBideon said:

    What in god's name is going on in Mentor?

     

    http://blog.cleveland.com/metro/2010/09/5_student_suicides_put_focus_o.html

     

    5 student suicides put focus on bullying issue in Mentor

     

    "MENTOR, Ohio -- Little more than a year after Mentor High School adopted an internationally known program designed to prevent bullying, 16-year-old junior Sladjana Vidovic hanged herself from a bedroom window....."

     

     

    There are a few extremely disturbing things here.  First, I am utterly shocked that 5 students in one school committed suicide in 3 years.  I have no clue what the national average is, but this seems extremely high. 

     

    Two, in reading the article, it also seems the teachers at Mentor were at best complicit and at worst contributory to the problem.  "The Mentor school district does not acknowledge that bullying has been a problem. "  What?

     

    It took 5 years for them to implement some kind formal anti-bullying policy?  Where was the principal during these 5 years?  What about students who would have witnessed the abuses?  Any teachers or administrators nearby?  How come no one came forward and did something? 

     

    And what is this crap about "Bullying issue is 'touchy.'"  Explain that one to me.  Suppose the victims were being sexually abused instead of emotionally?  There are laws about harassment and abuse and assault.  What's touchy about enforcing nonphysical abuse? 

     

    Third, I can tell everyone here that kids these days are changing for the worse. Or maybe it's just that people are scummier than in year's past.  The other day, I was looking at my youngest niece's facebook messages with some of her peers, and....jesus....I wouldn't be surprised if there was a similar incident at Orange one of these days.  Some of these girls were saying absolutely chilling things about one-another - it's like a whole other level of smack talking that I have never seen before. 

     

    Fourth, these bullies from 05-08 are probably now all in college.  I'd be curious to hear reporters interview them a little more.  Do a little more research and see if they're still evil sociopaths or see if they've matured.  Do they regret being bullies?  Do they even realized they contributed to someone's death?  Of course, the article does say, "they told him the allegations had been blown out of proportion" so I guess they don't feel all that guilty.

     

     

     

     

     

    I guess things really haven't changed much in Mentor...in 11 years

     

    http://www.mainstreetpainesville.org/

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    2 hours ago, eastvillagedon said:

     

    I guess things really haven't changed much in Mentor...in 11 years

     

    I mean let's be real, let's not act like a majority of the white people who live in Mentor didnt move there because their previous Cleveland Neighborhood or inner ring suburb was getting to diverse to their liking. 

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    33 minutes ago, AsDustinFoxWouldSay said:

    I mean let's be real, let's not act like a majority of the white people who live in Mentor didnt move there because their previous Cleveland Neighborhood or inner ring suburb was getting to diverse to their liking. 

    *cough Cough* Euclid

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    On 11/9/2021 at 3:50 PM, AsDustinFoxWouldSay said:

    I mean let's be real, let's not act like a majority of the white people who live in Mentor didnt move there because their previous Cleveland Neighborhood or inner ring suburb was getting to diverse to their liking. 

    And haven grown up in the Willoughby/Mentor area, I can also verify that people I grew up with have found that area "too diverse," and have moved further east out in the Perry/Thompson/Madison.  

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    I hope the family of the deceased sues the sh!t out of the city. Time to stop police car chases and install cameras at major intersections instead.

     

     

    "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck

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    21 minutes ago, KJP said:

    I hope the family of the deceased sues the sh!t out of the city. Time to stop police car chases and install cameras at major intersections instead.

     

     

    I'm sure all of us agree this was a tragic situation...

     

    But no comment about the gun-possessing criminals who fled the police and murdered the victim in the process? They weren't culpable in this? All they had to do was STOP, as a law abiding citizen should. There is NO excusing them for not doing so. 

     

    But, if no police chases (and the increased lawlessness that will bring) - How about a mandatory 30 year sentence for fleeing drivers, instead. Seems fair. 

     

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    How about charging the individuals who stole the car with a gun (a crime with a weapons specification) with homicide and assault?  Sentence:  Multiple counts to be served consecutively with no chance of parole.  Cameras can only do so much.  Even if police do break off pursuits almost immediately, there is no guarantee that the fleeing criminals will slow down.  Lots of cases of people getting hurt or worse when that happens too.   

     

    A certain line of thinking only fuels the rise in violence and gun-related crime.  Maybe this is why carjackings are starting to increase in cities that share borders with Cleveland.

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    Also, who has the "insight" to say that when a gun is pulled during the commission of a crime, the trigger won't be pulled or the gun accidentally discharges?  For all that anybody knows, the person who was carjacked might have been shot if they did one thing different.  The thieves get away with the car, cameras don't help enough with solving the crime and the thieves get another chance to do it again (and again and again).  It is well documented that these carjackers don't stop with just one theft.  They do it over and over again, sometimes multiple times in one day.

     

    It has become a game to these criminals--real life Grand Theft Auto.  They don't care who they impact.  They also know there is a good chance they won't get chased and if they can get into Cleveland, they are home free.  They also don't slow down their high-speed escape as soon as the light bars of the police cruisers are turned off.  Stopping pursuits will not stop terrible accidents caused by these thieves and it will greatly increase the number of people who are victimized by crime.  Crashes will occur and guns will be discharged.

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