https://www.news5cleveland.com/news/local-news/10-juveniles-arrested-by-mayfield-heights-police-after-fights-break-out-at-st-clare-festival-in-lyndhurst

 

The host on WTAM this morning was saying these things happen in part because kids don't have anything to do.

 

I would counter that they don't have anything to do because these things happen.   It's what happened to the St. Monica's carnival, most inner ring fireworks displays, and many others.    

 

It's a cycle.

6 hours ago, E Rocc said:

https://www.news5cleveland.com/news/local-news/10-juveniles-arrested-by-mayfield-heights-police-after-fights-break-out-at-st-clare-festival-in-lyndhurst

 

The host on WTAM this morning was saying these things happen in part because kids don't have anything to do.

 

I would counter that they don't have anything to do because these things happen.   It's what happened to the St. Monica's carnival, most inner ring fireworks displays, and many others.    

 

It's a cycle.

Same story at the old St Greg's festival in South Euclid, the Coventry street fair, etc etc.  Consecutive years of fighting and lawlessness lead to cancellations.

9 hours ago, E Rocc said:

https://www.news5cleveland.com/news/local-news/10-juveniles-arrested-by-mayfield-heights-police-after-fights-break-out-at-st-clare-festival-in-lyndhurst

 

The host on WTAM this morning was saying these things happen in part because kids don't have anything to do.

 

I would counter that they don't have anything to do because these things happen.   It's what happened to the St. Monica's carnival, most inner ring fireworks displays, and many others.    

 

It's a cycle.

Getting in a fight at a festival or causing mayhem at a festival because there is "nothing to do" when you are literally at a festival with activities is quite something. 

I used to be a big skatepunk in middle school, but not that big of a skate punk to get into fights like these. But I hung around those type of s**tty people. I used go to the St. Robert festival before the merger with non skating friends, we played the games, rode the rides, listened to the "teen tent" bands. One year I go with some of my skate punk friends, and what do you know, a fight breaks out with bunch of people. 

It's not that there is nothing to do. It's the type kids these kids are and who they associate with. You can build all the rec centers and youth programs you want. This BS isn't going to change when you communities of absentee parents who don't raise their kids or don't give a damn what the kids are doing or where they are. 

Seems irresponsible for the police chief to say "I think these church festivals are a thing of the past". The festivals are big money makers for the churches. Are they supposed to stop having them because we can't get our youth under control?  

2 hours ago, LibertyBlvd said:

Seems irresponsible for the police chief to say "I think these church festivals are a thing of the past". The festivals are big money makers for the churches. Are they supposed to stop having them because we can't get our youth under control?  

It's disheartening, and i have no suggestions. It really is rooted in what's being taught and what's being reinforced as acceptable behavior at home. 

And again. Wtf is wrong with these kids?  😠 

 

https://www.cleveland.com/news/2024/06/unruly-crowds-overwhelm-officers-at-st-gabriels-festival-saturday-event-closes-early-today.html

 

Edited June 9, 20241 yr by LibertyBlvd

3 hours ago, LibertyBlvd said:

And again. Wtf is wrong with these kids?  😠 

 

https://www.cleveland.com/news/2024/06/unruly-crowds-overwhelm-officers-at-st-gabriels-festival-saturday-event-closes-early-today.html

 

3 hours ago, LibertyBlvd said:

And again. Wtf is wrong with these kids?  😠 

 

https://www.cleveland.com/news/2024/06/unruly-crowds-overwhelm-officers-at-st-gabriels-festival-saturday-event-closes-early-today.html

 

No parents to give a damn about what their kids are doing, a mainstream youth culture of disrupting the lives of bystanding people being the definition of fun. I'm no longer surprised these festivals are no longer worth it inner city and inner ring burbs, festivals have been nothing but trouble since E185 was stopped. But these kids traveling all the way to Concord is what surprises me. 

3 hours ago, LibertyBlvd said:

And again. Wtf is wrong with these kids?  😠 

 

https://www.cleveland.com/news/2024/06/unruly-crowds-overwhelm-officers-at-st-gabriels-festival-saturday-event-closes-early-today.html

 

Either you make these things 18+ or need an adult/guardian at the entrance gate, or you just stop these things altogether

 

Many people look forward to attending these events during the summer. And they do generate lots of revenue for the church or organization. It would be a shame to cancel them due to unruly brats. Unfortunately, many have already been canceled in recent years for this reason. 

 

Edited June 9, 20241 yr by LibertyBlvd

12 hours ago, AsDustinFoxWouldSay said:

No parents to give a damn about what their kids are doing, a mainstream youth culture of disrupting the lives of bystanding people being the definition of fun. I'm no longer surprised these festivals are no longer worth it inner city and inner ring burbs, festivals have been nothing but trouble since E185 was stopped. But these kids traveling all the way to Concord is what surprises me. 

 

How do you know where the troublemakers came from?

Similar happened in Macedonia, there were shots fired into the air after the fireworks.   Perp busted immediately.   

 

https://fox8.com/news/gunshots-fired-at-ne-ohio-summerfest-celebration/

 

Where did they come from?   Bedford and Maple Heights certainly have their own problem children close by.  

 

But anecdotally, Kelly was driving Lyft Friday night and took several young men from the Central neighborhood to the festival down there.

Edited June 10, 20241 yr by E Rocc

13 hours ago, LibertyBlvd said:

Many people look forward to attending these events during the summer. And they do generate lots of revenue for the church or organization. It would be a shame to cancel them due to unruly brats. Unfortunately, many have already been canceled in recent years for this reason. 

 

 

I think the Feast of the Assumption is the only event that has been immune so far, but that's a special case for a number of reasons.   The long time residents and their descendants have their ways of dissuading such, and there's enough money there now to guarantee strong police presence.

12 hours ago, X said:

 

How do you know where the troublemakers came from?

the report literally said they are not from Lake County. What other area in NEO would you guess have groups of unruly Juvies whose intention is to disrupt the lives of innocent people? I'll give you a hint, it's the same kids who shot a gun at the Macedonia fair last week, the same kids who disrupted the St. Greg's festival years ago, the same kids who caused mayhem in Willowick in 2022, the same kids who can't help themselves get into fights and shoot their guns in downtown Cleveland during a 2016 championship parade and during a F***ing Christmas light ceremony. 

Stop sticking your head in the sand for these groups of kids who would probably rob and shoot you on site if they had the opportunity. 

11 hours ago, E Rocc said:

 

I think the Feast of the Assumption is the only event that has been immune so far, but that's a special case for a number of reasons.   The long time residents and their descendants have their ways of dissuading such, and there's enough money there now to guarantee strong police presence.

Those residents moved away a long time ago to places like Concord. I will not be surprised one bit when this sort of thing happens at the Feast. All the cops are by the gambling tables or acting as bouncers at the bar doors. Mayfield road and murray hill road are completely open for a group of kids to just flood the places and cause havoc. There is no check point to stop people. 

Even if the cops got on top of any disturbance in a respectful amount of time at the Feast, just a disturbance like this happening would cause the Feast to go the way of the E185 festival. 

Edited June 11, 20241 yr by AsDustinFoxWouldSay

11 hours ago, E Rocc said:

 

I think the Feast of the Assumption is the only event that has been immune so far, but that's a special case for a number of reasons.   The long time residents and their descendants have their ways of dissuading such, and there's enough money there now to guarantee strong police presence.

The christmas tree lighting shooting had every road going into Public Square completely closed. Mayfield, like Tower city, has a rapid stop right on the door step. If the city of Cleveland, or whoever runs the Feast, does not take proper precautions, plans ahead or is proactive, a disturbance like at these suburban feasts will most certainly happen one year or another. And frankly has a higher chance of many innocent people being injured, or god forbid killed. Mayfield road is not exactly a wide street, especially during the Feast with the huge crowd in a tight space. 

1 hour ago, AsDustinFoxWouldSay said:

the report literally said they are not from Lake County. What other area in NEO would you guess have groups of unruly Juvies whose intention is to disrupt the lives of innocent people? I'll give you a hint, it's the same kids who shot a gun at the Macedonia fair last week, the same kids who disrupted the St. Greg's festival years ago, the same kids who caused mayhem in Willowick in 2022, the same kids who can't help themselves get into fights and shoot their guns in downtown Cleveland during a 2016 championship parade and during a F***ing Christmas light ceremony. 

Stop sticking your head in the sand for these groups of kids who would probably rob and shoot you on site if they had the opportunity. 

 

Boilerplate.  The police and local politicians always claim it was people who aren't from there.

 

So yeah, I don't know where these kids came from.  I don't know if they were the same kids that caused problems at those other events.  Neither do you.  You and E Rocc making some big assumptions.

13 minutes ago, X said:

 

Boilerplate.  The police and local politicians always claim it was people who aren't from there.

 

So yeah, I don't know where these kids came from.  I don't know if they were the same kids that caused problems at those other events.  Neither do you.  You and E Rocc making some big assumptions.

I went to school in Geauga county and frequented Lake county quite a lot growing up, though I lived in South Euclid. The things Lake and Geauga kids did that broke the law were underage drinking, smoking pot in their cars or somewhere hidden on school grounds, speeding. The worst I can remember is Lake Catholic kids completely vandalizing NDCL's athletic field one fall. I frequented the Blossom festival, the St Gabes festival, the St. Greg's festival and the St. Robert's festival quite alot. 

Not once, did Lake County or Geauga county kids ever start shooting a gun in the air or start a massive brawl of 50 people that would spilling into innocent people during these festivals. 

So when Lake County cops say these kids aren't from Lake County, especially since they literally arrested and booked them, yea I tend to believe them. 

Instead of holding these kids accountable, you just choose to stick your head in the sand and refuse to acknowledge there is a massive problem of absentee parents and uncontrolled juveniles in Cleveland proper and the inner east side suburbs. And I'll just say it, we are almost certain these kids are black. And I'm sure you suspect that to, which is why you're so afraid to admit these kids aren't from Lake County

41 minutes ago, AsDustinFoxWouldSay said:

I went to school in Geauga county and frequented Lake county quite a lot growing up, though I lived in South Euclid. The things Lake and Geauga kids did that broke the law were underage drinking, smoking pot in their cars or somewhere hidden on school grounds, speeding. The worst I can remember is Lake Catholic kids completely vandalizing NDCL's athletic field one fall. I frequented the Blossom festival, the St Gabes festival, the St. Greg's festival and the St. Robert's festival quite alot. 

Not once, did Lake County or Geauga county kids ever start shooting a gun in the air or start a massive brawl of 50 people that would spilling into innocent people during these festivals. 

So when Lake County cops say these kids aren't from Lake County, especially since they literally arrested and booked them, yea I tend to believe them. 

Instead of holding these kids accountable, you just choose to stick your head in the sand and refuse to acknowledge there is a massive problem of absentee parents and uncontrolled juveniles in Cleveland proper and the inner east side suburbs. And I'll just say it, we are almost certain these kids are black. And I'm sure you suspect that to, which is why you're so afraid to admit these kids aren't from Lake County

 

I didn't choose to let anyone off the hook.  The police should handle any of the kids who were being violent.  And the rest of us should stop making assumptions without facts.

21 hours ago, X said:

 

I didn't choose to let anyone off the hook.  The police should handle any of the kids who were being violent.  And the rest of us should stop making assumptions without facts.

Sounds like you’re the one not following the facts. The riot that happened in Willowick did in fact have arrests (20 kids) and none were from Lake County.

On 6/10/2024 at 10:40 PM, X said:

 

Boilerplate.  The police and local politicians always claim it was people who aren't from there.

 

So yeah, I don't know where these kids came from.  I don't know if they were the same kids that caused problems at those other events.  Neither do you.  You and E Rocc making some big assumptions.

 

Juvenile records are sealed so it's never officially confirmed.  But all the pictures, eyewitness reports, and scanner intercepts said the same things.

 

It's possible the Macedonia miscreants were from Summit County, but keep in mind that includes Akron.  It also includes some of the kids in the school my daughter briefly attended.  It's not rare for kids to attempt to bring the nonsense their parents sought to move away from with them, as a form of rebellion. 

14 hours ago, JB said:

Sounds like you’re the one not following the facts. The riot that happened in Willowick did in fact have arrests (20 kids) and none were from Lake County.

@JB Do you have a link to the source of this information? Thaaank you!

 

4 hours ago, E Rocc said:

 

Juvenile records are sealed so it's never officially confirmed.  But all the pictures, eyewitness reports, and scanner intercepts said the same things. [...]

@E Rocc Not sure I follow, how can pictures and eyewitness reports determine where someone is from? Were they wearing shirts with their hometown's name on them or something? Were they telling the eyewitnesses where they were from? Thaaank you!

1 minute ago, andrew0816 said:

@JB Do you have a link to the source of this information? Thaaank you!

 

@E Rocc Not sure I follow, how can pictures and eyewitness reports determine where someone is from? Were they wearing shirts with their hometown's name on them or something? Were they telling the eyewitnesses where they were from? Thaaank you!

 

I can ask my contacts in the Macedonia PD, I'm not sure what they can say but I think we all know the answer.   

19 hours ago, andrew0816 said:

@JB Do you have a link to the source of this information? Thaaank you!

 

@E Rocc Not sure I follow, how can pictures and eyewitness reports determine where someone is from? Were they wearing shirts with their hometown's name on them or something? Were they telling the eyewitnesses where they were from? Thaaank you!

My bad it was 10. Also, I know a few Willowick PD/FD.

 

https://fox8.com/news/shocking-to-see-what-led-to-willowick-festival-melee/amp/

Edited June 13, 20241 yr by JB

23 minutes ago, JB said:

My bad it was 10. Also, I know a few Willowick PD/FD.

 

https://fox8.com/news/shocking-to-see-what-led-to-willowick-festival-melee/amp/

 

This year's was peaceful.   Meanwhile they had problems the same weekend in Mayfield Heights.

 

Social media coordination is a strong possibility.   As I said, Macedonia drew outsiders from a wide area.

Edited June 13, 20241 yr by E Rocc

2 hours ago, E Rocc said:

 

This year's was peaceful.   Meanwhile they had problems the same weekend in Mayfield Heights.

 

Social media coordination is a strong possibility.   As I said, Macedonia drew outsiders from a wide area.

This year and last since the police and church set new rules.

6 hours ago, JB said:

My bad it was 10. Also, I know a few Willowick PD/FD.

 

https://fox8.com/news/shocking-to-see-what-led-to-willowick-festival-melee/amp/

So it went from "none" from Lake County" to "most if not all" were not from Lake County.  Wonder which it is.

Who cares where anyone came from? It’s not like you can do anything with that information. It’s not like they can or more importantly should ban people from certain places. 
 

It’s sad because this stuff happens and then the automatic reaction is to cance the activity, whether it’s a church fair in the suburbs or a family friendly winter/Christmas festival downtown. I don’t know how you address it but my hope is we won’t let a bunch of jerks and brats ruins stuff like this for everyone else. 

3 hours ago, X said:

So it went from "none" from Lake County" to "most if not all" were not from Lake County.  Wonder which it is.

This response sounds about right. Don’t let facts get in your way.

3 hours ago, coneflower said:

Who cares where anyone came from? It’s not like you can do anything with that information. It’s not like they can or more importantly should ban people from certain places. 
 

It’s sad because this stuff happens and then the automatic reaction is to cance the activity, whether it’s a church fair in the suburbs or a family friendly winter/Christmas festival downtown. I don’t know how you address it but my hope is we won’t let a bunch of jerks and brats ruins stuff like this for everyone else. 

 

I think the frustration comes from the sheriff blaming "outside agitators". Whenever something major happens responsibility for it is pushed to the 'other' - "this isn't who we are", "someone from here would never do that", etc. - it's a slight by the sheriff towards surrounding counties while also implying that Lake County is Mayberry. 

 

It's a bigger conversation than this event, but at some point society needs to move on from the outside agitator rhetoric.

1 hour ago, GISguy said:

 

I think the frustration comes from the sheriff blaming "outside agitators". Whenever something major happens responsibility for it is pushed to the 'other' - "this isn't who we are", "someone from here would never do that", etc. - it's a slight by the sheriff towards surrounding counties while also implying that Lake County is Mayberry. 

 

It's a bigger conversation than this event, but at some point society needs to move on from the outside agitator rhetoric.

Seeing as how it was outsiders, I don’t see the problem with pointing it out. 

18 minutes ago, JB said:

Seeing as how it was outsiders, I don’t see the problem with pointing it out. 

 

Juvie records are sealed, not to mention ten kids out of who knows how many were arrested. Bigger point stands, it's always "outside agitators" with events like this which is disingenuous. 

 

But then again, it's totally possible out of a group of 100 kids absolutely none of them were from Lake, totally wild to think that the sheriff might be covering, my bad. 

Edited June 13, 20241 yr by GISguy

24 minutes ago, GISguy said:

 

Juvie records are sealed, not to mention ten kids out of who knows how many were arrested. Bigger point stands, it's always "outside agitators" with events like this which is disingenuous. 

 

But then again, it's totally possible out of a group of 100 kids absolutely none of them were from Lake, totally wild to think that the sheriff might be covering, my bad. 

Seeing as I know plenty of people from Willowick, I’d say that’s the case.

Next up in Lake County....

 

5 people, including 2 children, taken to hospitals following chlorine reaction at Eastlake home
Fire Chief Ted Whittington says the victims were mixing pool chemicals inside the house when the reaction occurred. Hazmat crews are examining the area.

https://www.wkyc.com/article/news/local/lake-county/5-people-2-children-hospitals-chlorine-reaction-eastlake-home/95-fdd28a7d-fbf7-48a5-9f48-ca739a2e8ed4

20 minutes ago, KJP said:

Next up in Lake County....

 

5 people, including 2 children, taken to hospitals following chlorine reaction at Eastlake home
Fire Chief Ted Whittington says the victims were mixing pool chemicals inside the house when the reaction occurred. Hazmat crews are examining the area.

https://www.wkyc.com/article/news/local/lake-county/5-people-2-children-hospitals-chlorine-reaction-eastlake-home/95-fdd28a7d-fbf7-48a5-9f48-ca739a2e8ed4

Literally a few doors down from my in laws. There is always something going on at that house. 

On 6/13/2024 at 2:10 PM, coneflower said:

Who cares where anyone came from? It’s not like you can do anything with that information. It’s not like they can or more importantly should ban people from certain places. 
 

It’s sad because this stuff happens and then the automatic reaction is to cance the activity, whether it’s a church fair in the suburbs or a family friendly winter/Christmas festival downtown. I don’t know how you address it but my hope is we won’t let a bunch of jerks and brats ruins stuff like this for everyone else. 

 

it matters imo because there are strong racial undertones to some of the comments and accuracy matters.

 

 

 

Edited June 15, 2024Jun 15 by Jax

Online rumor is that East Cleveland City Council President assaulted Art McKoy in a Home Depot.

From the Cleveland crime forum:

 

15 minutes ago, KJP said:

Over the last three years, CPD lost about 550 police officers. The city just started increasing pay this year but that's only a part of the problem....

 

Officer hit by dirt bike on city street: EMS

https://fox8.com/news/officer-hit-by-dirt-bike-on-city-street-ems/

 

Meanwhile, off @KJP's  link:

 

https://fox8.com/news/video-teen-suspects-ram-euclid-cruiser-lead-police-on-chase/?ipid=promo-link-block2

 

EPD don't play, they chased them right into Cleveland.

 

(Neither does Jerry Schmidt, who is seen tackling one of the miscreants in his sculpture gallery).

 

Of course, as juveniles we will never hear the disposition of this case.   But the perps' friends and family sure will.

 

Edited July 2, 2024Jul 2 by E Rocc

This is becoming an almost daily occurrence. Something needs to be done to stop it.

 

https://fox8.com/news/new-details-teens-arrested-after-wild-pursuit-through-clevelands-western-suburbs/

it's crazy to me that it's 2024 and PIT maneuvers are still the way we immobilize cars

6 hours ago, Jax said:

it's crazy to me that it's 2024 and PIT maneuvers are still the way we immobilize cars

We need more missions to Mars. Gotta get our hands on their famous Ray-guns.

On 7/13/2024 at 10:27 AM, LibertyBlvd said:

This is becoming an almost daily occurrence. Something needs to be done to stop it.

 

https://fox8.com/news/new-details-teens-arrested-after-wild-pursuit-through-clevelands-western-suburbs/

 

A big part of the problem is that because juvenile court records are sealed, neither victims nor the electorate know how cases are dispositioned, so they can't see how the judges approach things.

 

The families and friends of the accused sure do, though.

 

 

22 hours ago, Jax said:

it's crazy to me that it's 2024 and PIT maneuvers are still the way we immobilize cars

 

There's a lot of reasons why the ability to remotely disable any car is a bad idea.

17 year old shot and killed in downtown Willoughby Friday night.  

5 hours ago, E Rocc said:

17 year old shot and killed in downtown Willoughby Friday night.  

and the suspect is from...drum roll...Painesville, who was arrested in Indiana, not yet identified. 

On 7/13/2024 at 10:27 AM, LibertyBlvd said:

This is becoming an almost daily occurrence. Something needs to be done to stop it.

 

https://fox8.com/news/new-details-teens-arrested-after-wild-pursuit-through-clevelands-western-suburbs/

Our judges have completely failed us. A kid with a loaded gun, driving dangerously to evade police who could've killed somebody, and Oh yea in a STOLEN car, gets sent home with an ankle bracelet. I get mass incarceration is the problem, but not when your inmates include criminals with these crimes!

8 hours ago, AsDustinFoxWouldSay said:

Our judges have completely failed us. A kid with a loaded gun, driving dangerously to evade police who could've killed somebody, and Oh yea in a STOLEN car, gets sent home with an ankle bracelet. I get mass incarceration is the problem, but not when your inmates include criminals with these crimes!

Worse yet, since these kids aren't actually punished, next year when he turns 18 he will no doubt become a convicted felon, serve time, be unemployable....and the cycle continues.   All to be "nice" to kids.  

This weekend's social media coordinated target appeared to be the St. Robert & William Festival in Euclid, right around the corner from where I often spend weekends.   The church wisely required 17 and under to be accompanied by a parent, and EPD was there in force to enforce it.

 

So all of the youths that didn't get in congregated on the adjacent streets, with predictable results.

5 hours ago, E Rocc said:

This weekend's social media coordinated target appeared to be the St. Robert & William Festival in Euclid, right around the corner from where I often spend weekends.   The church wisely required 17 and under to be accompanied by a parent, and EPD was there in force to enforce it.

 

So all of the youths that didn't get in congregated on the adjacent streets, with predictable results.

I hope the Little Italy Feast wises up to this strategy and employs the same policy. 

On 7/16/2024 at 3:45 AM, Cleburger said:

Worse yet, since these kids aren't actually punished, next year when he turns 18 he will no doubt become a convicted felon, serve time, be unemployable....and the cycle continues.   All to be "nice" to kids.  

It's not quite this simple - but yes... kids are often exploited by gangs, knowing well that they won't serve more than 2 years for anything short of murder.