12 hours ago, AsDustinFoxWouldSay said:

I hope the Little Italy Feast wises up to this strategy and employs the same policy. 

 

I don't see how this can happen, there's so many entrances to the street.   SRW held the event on their own property.  

 

The Feast has traditionally never had these sorts of problems.   One can speculate on the reasons.

13 hours ago, E Rocc said:

 

I don't see how this can happen, there's so many entrances to the street.   SRW held the event on their own property.  

 

The Feast has traditionally never had these sorts of problems.   One can speculate on the reasons.

These church festivals traditionally never had these problems either. It's time to be pro-active because Little Italy is in the backyard of these thugs. 

The Italians left Little Italy decades ago for places like Concord. Those "reasons" like the mob running Little Italy went to Concord with said Italians. 

1 hour ago, AsDustinFoxWouldSay said:

These church festivals traditionally never had these problems either. It's time to be pro-active because Little Italy is in the backyard of these thugs. 

The Italians left Little Italy decades ago for places like Concord. Those "reasons" like the mob running Little Italy went to Concord with said Italians. 

The Feast doesn't have these problems because the police presence is massive. Minimum 50-75 officers at night. Most of these other festivals are lucky to have in the tens. 

 

Stupid stuff happens at the Feast. It's just clamped down on quickly. 

9 hours ago, KFM44107 said:

The Feast doesn't have these problems because the police presence is massive. Minimum 50-75 officers at night. Most of these other festivals are lucky to have in the tens. 

 

Stupid stuff happens at the Feast. It's just clamped down on quickly. 

 

As was posted above, most of the Italians including the "connected" ones left the neighborhood, but not all of them.   Plus, since the neighborhood has retained most of its original character they come flocking back for the Feast and are very protective of same.

 

As you say, the police presence there is massive, like it was at SRW.   The reasons are reflective of why the neighborhood has remained relatively stable.   There's now a lot of people from the hospitals and university and a ton of expensive art galleries.   It's honorarily a part of University Circle, which of course is part of what Trivisonno used to call "Cleveland 1".

 

It's also very expensive.   The last time I went I was with Holly so that was quite some time ago, and even then it was getting pricey enough to call it the Fea$t of the A$$umption.

A shame we have to worry about such things now.  Not sure if we will ever get back to the way things used to be.

It would be very easy to improve it, we simply need to adopt sane gun legislation. The erosion of these protections is obviously the cause.

29 minutes ago, Jax said:

It would be very easy to improve it, we simply need to adopt sane gun legislation. The erosion of these protections is obviously the cause.

 

Gun ownership limitations only end up applying to potential victims, not perpetrators.

 

Most of the problem people in these cases have indeed been unarmed.   In point of fact, there's only one effective way for individuals to defend themselves against groups.

Edited July 25, 2024Jul 25 by E Rocc

30 minutes ago, Jax said:

It would be very easy to improve it, we simply need to adopt sane gun legislation. The erosion of these protections is obviously the cause.

When I was in school, there was a kid who got busted breaking into a house, throwing a party and of course the house got trashed.  He was sent away for 90 days at the Juvi.   These kids today get busted with a gun and are released to their parents 2 hours later.   This also has to stop. 

1 minute ago, Cleburger said:

When I was in school, there was a kid who got busted breaking into a house, throwing a party and of course the house got trashed.  He was sent away for 90 days at the Juvi.   These kids today get busted with a gun and are released to their parents 2 hours later.   This also has to stop. 

 

The sealing of juvenile cases ends up meaning the judges are unaccountable.

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Arrest warrant issued for Cleveland business owner Bobby George on charges of rape, attempted murder, kidnapping

https://www.wkyc.com/article/news/local/cleveland/cleveland-restaurant-owner-bobby-george-facing-multiple-charges-rape-attempted-murder-kidnapping/95-86e9f2bf-7ec0-46cd-b47f-f9519e3d7e21

Author: Tyler Carey, Stephanie Haney (WKYC)

Published: 5:50 PM EDT August 12, 2024

Updated: 6:01 PM EDT August 12, 2024

CLEVELAND — 3News has learned Bobby George, well known for his ownership of restaurants and other businesses in the Cleveland area as well as around Ohio, has been charged with at least nine felonies including rape, attempted murder, and kidnapping.

Records from Cleveland Municipal Court indicate a warrant has been issued for George's arrest for crimes allegedly committed between November of 2023 and July of 2024 stemming from a criminal complaint that was filed on Friday. The 43-year-old Lakewood native faces the following charges:

Attempted murder

Rape

Kidnapping (four different instances)

Felonious assault

Strangulation (two different instances)

 

 

1 hour ago, Boomerang_Brian said:

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Arrest warrant issued for Cleveland business owner Bobby George on charges of rape, attempted murder, kidnapping

https://www.wkyc.com/article/news/local/cleveland/cleveland-restaurant-owner-bobby-george-facing-multiple-charges-rape-attempted-murder-kidnapping/95-86e9f2bf-7ec0-46cd-b47f-f9519e3d7e21

Author: Tyler Carey, Stephanie Haney (WKYC)

Published: 5:50 PM EDT August 12, 2024

Updated: 6:01 PM EDT August 12, 2024

CLEVELAND — 3News has learned Bobby George, well known for his ownership of restaurants and other businesses in the Cleveland area as well as around Ohio, has been charged with at least nine felonies including rape, attempted murder, and kidnapping.

Records from Cleveland Municipal Court indicate a warrant has been issued for George's arrest for crimes allegedly committed between November of 2023 and July of 2024 stemming from a criminal complaint that was filed on Friday. The 43-year-old Lakewood native faces the following charges:

Attempted murder

Rape

Kidnapping (four different instances)

Felonious assault

Strangulation (two different instances)

 

 

Just another persecuted Christian. 

These crimes occured in the City of Cleveland and probably should be moved to that thread. 

39 minutes ago, KFM44107 said:

These crimes occured in the City of Cleveland and probably should be moved to that thread. 

Says it happened at his residence in Lakewood  I think

14 hours ago, TDi said:

Says it happened at his residence in Lakewood  I think

 

His office is in Lakewood. I seem to recall he lives in Westlake. When I was the West Shore crime beat reporter for Sun about 25 years ago, the Westlake police shared a public record that they were called to the George's house on a domestic dispute. I don't recall the details of the incident but it involved Tony and his son Bobby. I do recall an arrest was made but I didn't put anyone's names in the paper because it was not on a felony charge. However I did publish the address of the incident and the allegations made.

14 hours ago, BJBaes said:

Just another persecuted Christian. 

 

It's always the ones you most expect.

Seems to already be a conflict of interest with the prosecutor. A family worth millions with a bond request for $100k? With the allegations being what they are?

 

How shocking that guys who create meat market bars and want to be grown men with all these 22 year old women in their orbits, are abusive to women. Same types of sleaze balls own some of the biggest bars at  Oxford/Miami U and I’m sure everywhere.

Edited August 13, 2024Aug 13 by mu2010

The George’s did not support Bibb, right? They supported Basheer Jones, Zack Reed,and maybe Kelley in the general? Also some of their preferred council candidates seem to have lost IIRC. Hopefully nobody is going to protect them.

 

Edit - and I should note this was filed in Cleveland municipal court, which would mean the case is being handled by the city prosecutor, an unelected office that reports to Bibb, and not the elected county prosecutor who he gave money to? Attorneys correct me if I’m wrong.

Edited August 13, 2024Aug 13 by mu2010

Dunno where to put this, but interesting development related to the George's - who, to my knowledge, were selected to run the restaurant proposed for the corner of Irishtown Bend Park. And given their history of extorting the city for that land in exchange for three (god awful) billboard locations... um, Idk... no commentary I'll just let the headline speak for itself:

 

Cleveland business owner Bobby George appears in court on charges of rape, attempted murder, kidnapping: Watch video from the courtroom (msn.com)

 

Will be curious to see how this impacts their hospitality group and related development efforts throughout Cleveland.

6 minutes ago, ASP1984 said:

Dunno where to put this, but interesting development related to the George's - who, to my knowledge, were selected to run the restaurant proposed for the corner of Irishtown Bend Park. And given their history of extorting the city for that land in exchange for three (god awful) billboard locations... um, Idk... no commentary I'll just let the headline speak for itself:

 

Cleveland business owner Bobby George appears in court on charges of rape, attempted murder, kidnapping: Watch video from the courtroom (msn.com)

 

Will be curious to see how this impacts their hospitality group and related development efforts throughout Cleveland.

There has been a discussion of this since yesterday in the Suburban Crime thread and I believe the Random Cleveland thread.  Suburban crime thread is probably the best place to continue to discuss this.

 

However, to your last point, (and it probably says a lot about me as a horrible person) the first thing that popped into my mind when I heard about this was not how the victim was but how this was going to effect the proposed development on the flats east bank.  I guess I have been on UrbanOhio way too long.

3 minutes ago, Htsguy said:

There has been a discussion of this since yesterday in the Suburban Crime thread and I believe the Random Cleveland thread.  Suburban crime thread is probably the best place to continue to discuss this.

 

However, to your last point, (and it probably says a lot about me as a horrible person) the first thing that popped into my mind when I heard about this was not how the victim was but how this was going to effect the proposed development on the flats east bank.  I guess I have been on UrbanOhio way too long.

 

If he's convicted, it will hold up all future developments for a WHILE

The city and region will be better off if it can be rid of these openly corrupt parasites, here’s hoping for a spectacular public downfall.

1 hour ago, mu2010 said:

The city and region will be better off if it can be rid of these openly corrupt parasites, here’s hoping for a spectacular public downfall.

 

I'm praying CPD had it's ducks in a row before filing these charges. If there's anyone who could find their mistakes, though, it's Kevin Spellacy. 

40 minutes ago, YABO713 said:

 

I'm praying CPD had it's ducks in a row before filing these charges. If there's anyone who could find their mistakes, though, it's Kevin Spellacy. 

 

And if there's anyone that could cause such mistakes to be made at the higher levels, it's that family.    Not only because of clout, but for some reason they inspire loyalty.

 

My contacts in the industry are fading, but while most dislike them, they inspire loyalty in some surprising places.

 

Also keep in mind the case of "Fat Pat" Potopsky.

Edited August 13, 2024Aug 13 by E Rocc

19 hours ago, YABO713 said:

 

I don't want to say too much... but Bobby in particular inspires loyalty by hiring people that can become wholly dependent on him for their lives. With women, it's luxury goods, amenities, cosmetic procedures, etc. and they're usually broken down by his demands to stay "fit" on brand for his establishments.... For men it's by hiring people who came from nothing and started at his restaurants. 

 

But we should move this to another thread

 

Bobby's crude and often a bully and a predator.   He and his dad don't always get along and Tony often lets him clean up his own messes.  But I don't see him staying out of this one unless it's completely cut and dry, and Tony's influence is much more subtle and pervasive.

On 8/14/2024 at 10:51 AM, E Rocc said:

 

Bobby's crude and often a bully and a predator.   He and his dad don't always get along and Tony often lets him clean up his own messes.  But I don't see him staying out of this one unless it's completely cut and dry, and Tony's influence is much more subtle and pervasive.

Just feels like a bad episode of Succession. Daddy actually resents his son but selfishly needs to make the legal woes disappear to ensure his [restaurant] empire lives on. 

On 8/12/2024 at 6:16 PM, Boomerang_Brian said:

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Arrest warrant issued for Cleveland business owner Bobby George on charges of rape, attempted murder, kidnapping

https://www.wkyc.com/article/news/local/cleveland/cleveland-restaurant-owner-bobby-george-facing-multiple-charges-rape-attempted-murder-kidnapping/95-86e9f2bf-7ec0-46cd-b47f-f9519e3d7e21

Author: Tyler Carey, Stephanie Haney (WKYC)

Published: 5:50 PM EDT August 12, 2024

Updated: 6:01 PM EDT August 12, 2024

CLEVELAND — 3News has learned Bobby George, well known for his ownership of restaurants and other businesses in the Cleveland area as well as around Ohio, has been charged with at least nine felonies including rape, attempted murder, and kidnapping.

Records from Cleveland Municipal Court indicate a warrant has been issued for George's arrest for crimes allegedly committed between November of 2023 and July of 2024 stemming from a criminal complaint that was filed on Friday. The 43-year-old Lakewood native faces the following charges:

Attempted murder

Rape

Kidnapping (four different instances)

Felonious assault

Strangulation (two different instances)

 

 

Positive development - O'Malley naming a special Prosecutor for Bobby George case. 
 

 

My gut tells me that means the evidence is weak and O'Malley doesn't want people thinking he squelched the charges.

 

It's the kind of case he'd love to spearhead if he thought he'd win.

I think it was posted in another thread, but Matthew Ahn called for the appointment of a Special Prosecutor immediately after the Bobby was charged because O'Malley received significant campaign donations from the George family. For a family as wealthy and well connected as the Goerges I'd guess O'Malley is trying to avoid any appearance of bias. 

Homicide at 17 and 21, perps busted on Schaaf after crashing.

 

https://www.wkyc.com/article/news/local/cuyahoga-county/valley-view-fatal-shooting-fiery-crash-brooklyn-heights/95-422b56a6-d105-488d-872b-deff7f40e468?ref=exit-recirc

5 minutes ago, Luke_S said:

I think it was posted in another thread, but Matthew Ahn called for the appointment of a Special Prosecutor immediately after the Bobby was charged because O'Malley received significant campaign donations from the George family. For a family as wealthy and well connected as the Goerges I'd guess O'Malley is trying to avoid any appearance of bias. 

 

Oh, I was skeptical but I have to admit he's a competent prosecutor.  

 

But he's still Bill Mason's protege and that means he's not going to pass on a grandstand case he thinks he can win.   So I have to believe he doesn't think he can.  

 

If he takes it himself and loses, everyone is likely to think he's taking after Mason another way.

It absolutely is due to conflict of interest. The fact that they only requested $100,000 bond already signals impropriety and favoritism from the prosecutors office. It even surprised the judge so she doubled it. 

 

Edited August 23, 2024Aug 23 by Jax

1 hour ago, Luke_S said:

I think it was posted in another thread, but Matthew Ahn called for the appointment of a Special Prosecutor immediately after the Bobby was charged because O'Malley received significant campaign donations from the George family. For a family as wealthy and well connected as the Goerges I'd guess O'Malley is trying to avoid any appearance of bias. 

 

While I think it's wise to appoint a special prosecutor, Matthew Ahn and his usual populist rhetoric doesn't hold much hold much weight for me. Or the majority of voters, for that matter. He seems like an intelligent person with good morals, but he really needs to learn that Twitter is not real life. Compromise and knowing which battles to fight is how you make long-lasting progress. 

 

For good reason, Bobby George is Cleveland's comic book villain. I had this thought a while ago, and it seems to make more sense every time he comes up: he operates like a mob boss.

 

I can't imagine George would want to elect any democrat, but he's no stranger to legal issues, especially with the City or County. I'm sure he made the donation to O'Malley expecting it to buy him some lenience from the County Prosecutor. Like that it was some master-mind play.

 

O'Malley is no Mother Teresa, but Cleveland is not a mob-run town anymore. No matter how bad people like Matthew Ahn and journalists like Sam Allard want to make it out to be.

1 hour ago, E Rocc said:

My gut tells me that means the evidence is weak and O'Malley doesn't want people thinking he squelched the charges.

 

It's the kind of case he'd love to spearhead if he thought he'd win.

 

Or he's received campaign donations from the family. It's not that deep.

 

From signal: 

 

George’s father, restaurant and business owner Tony George, is a prominent political donor in the Cleveland area. He gave $20,000 to O’Malley’s reelection bid in the months leading up to this year’s Democratic primary, campaign disclosures show. The elder George also hosted a fundraiser for O’Malley last October at Summer House, one of his restaurants. 

His lawyers are already playing hardball and are threatening the city with a civil suit (these lawsuits are difficult to win in these types of cases because of immunity issues and very high legal standards to overcome, so in my mind it is just a bunch of smoke, especially so early on)  That said, a lawsuit would probably put a final nail in the coffin of east bank development.  That is unless it is actually his father that is driving the development and all this noise does not bother him.  Somebody has suggested that father and son are not always on the same page.

6 hours ago, Htsguy said:

His lawyers are already playing hardball and are threatening the city with a civil suit (these lawsuits are difficult to win in these types of cases because of immunity issues and very high legal standards to overcome, so in my mind it is just a bunch of smoke, especially so early on)  That said, a lawsuit would probably put a final nail in the coffin of east bank development.  That is unless it is actually his father that is driving the development and all this noise does not bother him.  Somebody has suggested that father and son are not always on the same page.

 

They aren't, but when push comes to shove Tony has Bobby's back.   The opposite?   Probably, but less certain.

6 hours ago, Zagapi said:

 

While I think it's wise to appoint a special prosecutor, Matthew Ahn and his usual populist rhetoric doesn't hold much hold much weight for me. Or the majority of voters, for that matter. He seems like an intelligent person with good morals, but he really needs to learn that Twitter is not real life. Compromise and knowing which battles to fight is how you make long-lasting progress. 

 

For good reason, Bobby George is Cleveland's comic book villain. I had this thought a while ago, and it seems to make more sense every time he comes up: he operates like a mob boss.

 

I can't imagine George would want to elect any democrat, but he's no stranger to legal issues, especially with the City or County. I'm sure he made the donation to O'Malley expecting it to buy him some lenience from the County Prosecutor. Like that it was some master-mind play.

 

O'Malley is no Mother Teresa, but Cleveland is not a mob-run town anymore. No matter how bad people like Matthew Ahn and journalists like Sam Allard want to make it out to be.

 

Guys like Tony contribute to anyone who could potentially help them.  I would be shocked if he didn't contribute to Ahn through a thinly veiled front.

 

O'Malley isn't Bill Mason, but he hasn't fallen far from the tree.   Mason's role in the old Cleveland Democratic Party cannot be understated.    Les Roberts of all people effectively (if fictionally) called that out in one of his later books.

And it barely registers as "news"

 

 

Euclid may not be able to play home football games again this year.

 

https://www.cleveland19.com/video/2024/09/01/17-year-old-dies-4-injured-after-shooting-near-euclid-high-school/

2 hours ago, KJP said:

And it barely registers as "news"

 

 

 

I saw posts from the street festival on Instagram.   Then this came up.   People from the area are mega upset, this reunion weekend has been going on for years.

I'm curious if this might be connected to the shooting in Broadview Heights from last week or the week before.

 

18 minutes ago, Clefan98 said:

I'm curious if this might be connected to the shooting in Broadview Heights from last week or the week before.

 

Well this was expected.  @YABO713 moves nearby and the whole area goes to hell. 😉

I shop there quite often.  Surprising, but not surprising.

1 hour ago, Htsguy said:

Well this was expected.  @YABO713 moves nearby and the whole area goes to hell. 😉

 

I have my alibi in order. And we're Aldi people... 

Shooting victim found in Brooklyn this morning as well.

4 hours ago, LibertyBlvd said:

I shop there quite often.  Surprising, but not surprising.

 

Usually this type of thing is self inflicted. According to Medical Examiner, victim was 76 no COD yet.

 

  

52 minutes ago, E Rocc said:

Shooting victim found in Brooklyn this morning as well.

 

Also in parking lot of apartment complex. 53yo.

Edited September 9, 2024Sep 9 by GISguy

1 hour ago, GISguy said:

 

Usually this type of thing is self inflicted. According to Medical Examiner, victim was 76 no COD yet.

 

  

 

Also in parking lot of apartment complex. 53yo.

 

NEO Scanner even speculated self inflicted 7HPD one because they didn't call for any MA.

Apparently a roof collapse into the sidewalk at 3952 Mayfield.   In Cleveland Heights, which I thought policed building condition sorts of things pretty tightly especially on main roads.

 

The address itself is a small barbershop in a strip mall.   Next door is the "Kulture Ultra Lounge".   I didn't know bars got called "ultra" anything anymore, as it typically means a trouble spot.

2 hours ago, E Rocc said:

Apparently a roof collapse into the sidewalk at 3952 Mayfield.   In Cleveland Heights, which I thought policed building condition sorts of things pretty tightly especially on main roads.

 

The address itself is a small barbershop in a strip mall.   Next door is the "Kulture Ultra Lounge".   I didn't know bars got called "ultra" anything anymore, as it typically means a trouble spot.

 A kind of strip-mall building of small businesses with parking in the back.  You can see the "before" on Google Streetview (and compare to the adjacent building to the east which recently renovated the front of that building).

 

Cleveland Heights's building department was gutted in the 2008 economic crisis and hasn't been the same since.  They outsourced the inspections to SafeBuilt for a decade, just now trying to bring it back in-house and hiring building inspectors.

14 hours ago, Foraker said:

 A kind of strip-mall building of small businesses with parking in the back.  You can see the "before" on Google Streetview (and compare to the adjacent building to the east which recently renovated the front of that building).

 

Cleveland Heights's building department was gutted in the 2008 economic crisis and hasn't been the same since.  They outsourced the inspections to SafeBuilt for a decade, just now trying to bring it back in-house and hiring building inspectors.

 

I understand it's the second recently and the other was on Fairmount.