Where are class disruptions not becoming commonplace?

 

I'm guessing the far west suburban schools?

 

Where are class disruptions not becoming commonplace?

 

I'm guessing the far west suburban schools?

 

I'm not so certain everything is alwight out there.  I just talked to a guy who pulled his kids out of Cuyahoga Heights and moved to Geauga County.  Another friend of mine complains about North Ridgeville.  Berea ain't all peaches and ice cream.

 

I'd recommend following the money if you want to find a private school esque environment in your public school system.

There really is no material difference in the different parts of South Euclid..... with the exception of the Cleveland border along Green Road, which has always been 'iffy' as far back as I can remember.  It's a purely middle class city with little appeal other than location and bang-for-the-buck real estate.  This incident is not part of a trend of any kind.  The most recent murders in the City were this one committed by a non-resident, the one on Green road a few years back committed by a non-resident, and the one earlier this year on Princeton (son killing his father) committed by someone who should have been strictly medicated.

 

I don't know if I agree with this, though I'm just going with my perception.  I think there is a "nice" area of South Euclid and to me it's located roughly east of Belvoir and south of Mayfield, centered around Notre Dame College and bordering Mayfield Country Club. 

 

Growing up in an area of University Heights near Cedar Center, I do sort of see a difference in what is happening just on the other side of the border now compared to how it was when I was younger.  That neighborhood is certainly changing and I don't get the feeling that it's for the better.  Maybe it's just bias and I'm being unfair, but it's just my opinion and I'm not a stranger to that area.

I think you are judging the City on the Bexley park area, which isn't the best, but still is not comparable to the extreme north end (which has spread to the Princeton Blvd / Quarry Park / Grand Blvd neighborhood).  But the Notre Dame college area is hardly the only "nice" area in the city.  You have a very large and similar residential area north of Mayfield and south of Monticello roughly between Plainfield (the CH border west of Belvoir) and Professor (the Lyndhurst border east of Green) which is still "nice" despite this past weekend's incident. 

Cedar Hill Salon in Cedar Fairmount was broken into. They stole a lot of expensive products and the cash drawer

Probably best to just ask that the suburban thread be unlocked.  The crime and safety issues in CH warrant discusiion (although nobody seems all that interested judging from the lack of response) but probably don't need their own thread.  Regardless, I don't think non-moving traffic violations really have much to do with crime or safety.  The flash mob thing is already going in other threads.  But the sex crime issue is certainly a hot topic.  Considering the high disparity in this category in the various suburbs, I would guess this issue isn't completely limited to CH.

 

Bump...... either that ^ or we should have threads for Lakewood, Westlake, South Euclid, Shaker Heights, and all of the other 50,000 political subdivisions which surround the City itself

I think there's actually only 56 other political subdivisions, but I could be wrong.

 

Joking aside, I only started this thread because the suburban thread was closed at the time.  As far as I'm concerned the mods should just 86 it.

Horrible.  Just Horrible!

 

http://fox8.com/2012/11/19/teen-charged-in-moms-death-breaks-down-in-court/

 

 

Lovely. A social worker who is also a foster parent, and this is the thanks she gets? That's just awful.

Rocky River: Police investigate homicide after double shooting

 

ROCKY RIVER, Ohio -- Rocky River Police are investigating a homicide after a double shooting killed at least one Tuesday night.

 

The shooting was on Westway Drive, near Wagar Road.

 

http://www.wkyc.com/news/article/279515/45/Rocky-River-Police-investigate-homicide-after-double-shooting

http://www.cleveland.com/west-geauga/index.ssf/2013/07/newbury_armed_robberty_suspect.html

 

Already caught.  Not the most brilliant idea ever, to hit somewhere the cops aren't exactly busy.

CLEVELAND HEIGHTS -- The city announced July 18 that Sunday's Coventry Family Arts Day has been canceled.

 

A city release indicates the decision was made following police monitoring of social media and incidents at last weekend's St. Gregory the Great Festival in South Euclid.

 

http://www.cleveland.com/cleveland-heights/index.ssf/2013/07/cleveland_heights_coventry_fam.html#incart_river_default#incart_m-rpt-2

^ With all the money going into UC I was hoping things were changing over there.  Maybe someday but it still seems decades out on the horizon.

 

 

Things are definitely changing; until recently there was an annual festival.  Personally I don't think canceling neighborhood events is a good solution to anything.

It's hard to deny a change is happening. Shaker Heights had to cancel their 4th of July fireworks due to fights. It's a shame.

Non-residents are causing a huge chunk of the problems at these events.  The problem for SH--and to a lesser-extent CH--is that they're in close proximity to some very troubled areas.  So what are the solutions?

The only answer is to beef up police presence at these events.  Outright cancelling them is admitting to defeat. 

I agree.  Take the problem head on.  While fights are unfortunate, the real problem at these events is the mob rush to see the fights when they start so they can record them on their cellphones...... which leads to more fights when that rush of kids intersects with people that don't take too kindly to being knocked out of the way

It's hard to deny a change is happening. Shaker Heights had to cancel their 4th of July fireworks due to fights. It's a shame.

 

Bedford and Maple Heights did as well.  Maple did it quietly, Bedford with reference to issues last year.  In Bedford's case, a lot of the unpublicized reason was that the associated nonsense (noise, minor misbehavior, illicit parking, etc.) had gotten dramatically worse over the last couple years. 

^As did Euclid, which cancelled their show at least five years ago.  It's not like Euclid didn't have the money to put their fireworks show on- the city is one of the highest taxed in the region.

Non-residents are causing a huge chunk of the problems at these events.  The problem for SH--and to a lesser-extent CH--is that they're in close proximity to some very troubled areas.  So what are the solutions?

 

I'm not sure of the logistics of these fests, but in Chicago where I live they usually charge to get into neighborhood street fests and have controlled access points for entrance. I have never seen any of these problems in Chicago at neighborhood fests, and obviously Chicago has many of the same issues with ignorant urban youths that cause problems. The entry fee is usually $5 to $10 depending on the fest.

 

However, there are often problems in Chicago at the larger fests that take place downtown where anyone can get in. There were also problems this year at Chicago's pride parade, which is not contained and has become a huge event comparable in numbers to larger downtown events.

 

Also, I think it depends on the nature of the fest. I don't here about this kind of thing happening at the Feast in Little Italy or the fests in Tremont. Why is that?

The idea of a paid entrance fee has been discussed.  I don't know why it wasn't implemented.

 

This chaos organized by social media is becoming more and more common accross the country.  I'm thinking some special laws need to be carefully written to deal with it.  First Amendment protection is waived when you use speech for the specific purpose of inciting violence and panic.

 

^As did Euclid, which cancelled their show at least five years ago.  It's not like Euclid didn't have the money to put their fireworks show on- the city is one of the highest taxed in the region.

 

Euclid has high municipal income tax rates but ridiculously low property tax rates.  It probably balances out.

The idea of a paid entrance fee has been discussed.  I don't know why it wasn't implemented.

 

This chaos organized by social media is becoming more and more common accross the country.  I'm thinking some special laws need to be carefully written to deal with it.  First Amendment protection is waived when you use speech for the specific purpose of inciting violence and panic.

 

Pretty sure it's already illegal to do what these kids are doing.  The social media aspect sounds like conspiracy, no?

What about bigger punishments for these crimes committed at public festivals. If fighting all of the sudden had a bigger punishment, it might not be as cool to do, and troublemakers might stay away.

 

Also this is terrible for the perception of these areas. People not familiar with these areas continue to see news coverage like this that will only keep them away.

I'm all for pragmatic solutions, but cancellation seems like a pretty lame one, unless there's something really serious we don't know about. If it's just more of what happened before, I don't see how that can't be prevented - minor or not, you're subject to detention by force if you're a rioter. I imagine the paperwork is probably a nightmare for the city, though. Paid entrance fee seems like the best solution. Money, the default solution to everything...

 

More security could work, but if the cost becomes prohibitive and it turns into an armed camp, I don't know. I'm not sure municipalities have any incentive to adopt a "come and get it" attitude towards troublemakers, since they can hardly guarantee they'll a) arrest most/all of them and b) that they'll actually be imprisoned or otherwise dissuaded from making more trouble.

 

As for arresting people for social media posts, it can be done currently, but the bar is very very high - the secret service arrested people for threatening the President on Twitter, but only after they had done so repeatedly, had a stern talking-to, and then done it again very directly. Most of those actually arrested were very mentally disturbed. For a municipality to arrest people based on content of speech - very challenging to enact a law that does that properly, I imagine. What qualifies? "I'm gonna break some shit at the #streetfair tomorrow!" "gonna be crazy tmrw" "I'm planning on making an offensive, unconsented-to physical contact with the persons of others tomorrow, between 4-6 PM, on or near Coventry Road"?

 

I really want to see the tweets.

I don't think the police would hesitate to arrest any rioters.  But when was the last "riot" in Cleveland?  Certainly not at the Coventry Street Fair or any of the festivals..... at least not how I would define a riot.  Multiple fights do not make a riot.  As far back as I can remember, there were always fights at public festivals, especially amongst youths.  The growing problem today is this burning desire of uninvolved youths to want to see AND FILM the fights.  99% of these kids who show up at the events and push their way through the crowd are not there to fight themselves.  You see 2 or maybe a few more kids fighting and 100 kids standing in a circle around them with their cell phone cameras filming the entire incident (resulting in video which later gets posted to youtube and other video hosting sites).  My concernn is how to deal with them, since there can be no question that the ones actually throwing punches will be apprehended and charged if at all possible.

^ I guess that's true - I don't know the legal/technical definition of a riot. I was thinking more of the organized part, which seems worse than a spontaneous outburst of rage in terms of intent.

 

Anyway, there will always be someone to perform for the mob - I don't think that can be stopped, short of basically imprisoning anyone who ever does it for a ridiculously long time. I don't care if there are a few fistfights at a huge public event. Adults are on generally worse behavior at many sporting events...

 

What I'm more concerned about are the sort of events that happened in Philadelphia and other places where a mob of older teenagers basically targets a location and descends on it with the intent to do nothing but cause absolute chaos and destruction. Certainly Cleveland Heights has seen nothing like that, but there are echoes of that sort of thing in what happened last year - the mindless running down the street, shoving people, knocking things over, etc. THAT is what I'd punish doubly harshly, including the planning part.

What about bigger punishments for these crimes committed at public festivals. If fighting all of the sudden had a bigger punishment, it might not be as cool to do, and troublemakers might stay away.

 

Also this is terrible for the perception of these areas. People not familiar with these areas continue to see news coverage like this that will only keep them away.

 

For the kids participating in these kinds of activities, a jail sentence is a badge of honor.    I don't think they think that far into the future where a sentencing is considered in their planning.

^ With all the money going into UC I was hoping things were changing over there.  Maybe someday but it still seems decades out on the horizon.

 

 

I don't understand what you mean by this.  It's almost as if you're saying the residents are the problem.  I'm old enough to remember when the Coventry Street Fair was a hot mess and had an "anything goes" atmosphere.

The danger of abandonment shows up again in East Cleveland.  The bodies of 3 women found at or near abandoned homes. 

The danger of abandonment shows up again in East Cleveland.  The bodies of 3 women found at or near abandoned homes. 

 

Terrible.  My heart goes out to the victims and their families.  And this story is already making national news, which is not good for Cleveland...again.

^yeah, it was on the NY news stations this morning. I figure since it's on the heels of the Ariel Castro hearing it sparked national interest.

^yeah, it was on the NY news stations this morning. I figure since it's on the heels of the Ariel Castro hearing it sparked national interest.

 

Possible serial killers are always national news.  It's a dark fascination this nation has.  Whoever created the concept for "Dexter" was a genius.

The interesting thing is that people often have the conception that serial killers tend to usually be white males, yet Cleveland's serial killers have all been minorities.  Actually, does Castro even  qualify as a "serial killer"?

Actually, does Castro even  qualify as a "serial killer"?

 

Obviously not, but there's a clear common thread between his case and the other two.  There comes a point when people might wonder about this community's attitude toward protecting women, or maybe its tolerance of depravity.  Not a pretty picture being painted.

 

I don't think this is toooo off topic in the Suburban Crime thread, but I can't help thinking about the lack of police resources in Cleveland and East Cleveland vs the abundance available to conduct speed traps and fake checkpoints in the outer ring.  I really believe that regionalism could help us end this string of horrific tales.

^I often wonder what's the appeal in being a cop in River or highland Hts, etc running speed traps ALL DAY.

^I often wonder what's the appeal in being a cop in River or highland Hts, etc running speed traps ALL DAY.

 

Its real fun for them when they come upon "PC." 

 

Sadly many find the slightest little reasons to find probable cause....

The interesting thing is that people often have the conception that serial killers tend to usually be white males, yet Cleveland's serial killers have all been minorities.

 

Jeffrey Lundgren?

 

Here's the thing.  The stereotypical serial killers are overwhelmingly white males.  There are plenty of minority serial killers but they are written off as just another gang banger

http://www.cnn.com/2013/07/26/justice/ohio-cleveland-missing-women/index.html?hpt=hp_bn1

 

The community here has been badly shaken recently. In the past several years, Cleveland's metropolitan area has been the center of a series of grisly discoveries of missing, murdered, kidnapped, raped and mutilated women.

 

...

 

Officially, 54 women currently are missing within Cleveland's city limits, according to the city's police department. That compares with four missing women in Cincinnati, an Ohio city of similar size.

 

Many of Cleveland's community activists who work to fight crime in their neighborhoods say the number of missing is much higher than the police website says.

 

Cleveland police say they are doing the best they can and acknowledge their list of missing people is incomplete and difficult to keep accurate. The list does not include missing women from neighboring East Cleveland, which has a separate police department.

 

...

 

The crisis has gotten so serious that civilians are now doing things that are normally left to the authorities. On Wednesday, groups of local residents went into wooded areas and several abandoned homes in East Cleveland, looking for bodies or signs of missing women who might have been kidnapped or assaulted.

 

 

The interesting thing is that people often have the conception that serial killers tend to usually be white males, yet Cleveland's serial killers have all been minorities.

 

Jeffrey Lundgren?

 

Here's the thing.  The stereotypical serial killers are overwhelmingly white males.  There are plenty of minority serial killers but they are written off as just another gang banger

 

Lundgren killed several, but all at once.  A serial killer is a different beast entirely.  The main suspects for the Torso Murders were all white men.

 

The Sowell and Madison cases are probably not unusual.  It's no poor reflection on Cleveland and may be a positive one that they were actually caught.

It's no poor reflection on Cleveland and may be a positive one that they were actually caught.

 

I was thinking the same thing...maybe it shows that there are still people in these forgotten Cleveland neighborhoods that care, and get involved.  In larger US coastal metros and border states, there are probably a lot more cases of missing persons and undocumented people in dire circumstances such as the situations uncovered in Cleveland...that go unreported or are swept under the rug.  Another positive is maybe the Cleveland Police Dept has learned to take reports of suspicious activity more seriously as a result of these recent crimes.

 

 

It's no poor reflection on Cleveland and may be a positive one that they were actually caught.

 

I was thinking the same thing...maybe it shows that there are still people in these forgotten Cleveland neighborhoods that care, and get involved.  In larger US coastal metros and border states, there are probably a lot more cases of missing persons and undocumented people in dire circumstances such as the situations uncovered in Cleveland...that go unreported or are swept under the rug.  Another positive is maybe the Cleveland Police Dept has learned to take reports of suspicious activity more seriously as a result of these recent crimes.

 

CPD's always taken things that might be connected to missing persons cases pretty seriously.  But, it's important to remember that it's legal for adults to disappear. 

 

I just saw a missing persons blurb for a suburban woman on Facebook, it cautioned that she may have "disappeared" voluntarily.

Jeffrey Lundgren?

 

Here's the thing.  The stereotypical serial killers are overwhelmingly white males.  There are plenty of minority serial killers but they are written off as just another gang banger.

 

Good point. 

 

By the way, I had never heard of Lundgren before.  I had to look him up, that was a bit before my time (even though I was alive, I would have been too young to remember).

Jeffrey Lundgren?

 

Here's the thing.  The stereotypical serial killers are overwhelmingly white males.  There are plenty of minority serial killers but they are written off as just another gang banger.

 

Good point. 

 

By the way, I had never heard of Lundgren before.  I had to look him up, that was a bit before my time (even though I was alive, I would have been too young to remember).

 

Serial killers like Sowell and (presumably) Madison are a very different breed from Lundgren and they are an order of magnitude more dangerous to the public at large, specifically that part of the public that fits their target profile.  They kill one or two at a time, with periods of time in between.  They kill similar people who they may or may not know and rarely know each other, in a similar manner.  They may or may not leave victims to be found.

 

The thing about Madison is, if he was a true serial killer he was caught rather quickly, and was a quite prolific one.  He also could have been tough to catch since he did not display his victims and like Sowell picked women likely to vanish on their own.  If anything, Cleveland deserves kudoes for catching on to him so quickly.

e.rocc do you know which gang was involved here?

 

WESTLAKE, Ohio -- The Westlake school district is offering a reward to find out who is behind the weekend vandalism at the city's new high school.

 

At least nine fire extinquishers were discharged and buckets of water and glue were tipped over throughout the new school's rotunda, media center, academic wings and the auxiliary gym when the vandals broke in on Saturday night.

 

Schools spokeswoman Kim Bonvissuto said the damage is not expected to delay the scheduled opening of school on Sept. 4. "It's more an issue of cleaning up and replacing tile squares," she said.

 

 

http://www.cleveland.com/westlake/index.ssf/2013/08/westlake_high_school_hit_with.html#incart_river_default

e.rocc do you know which gang was involved here?

 

WESTLAKE, Ohio -- The Westlake school district is offering a reward to find out who is behind the weekend vandalism at the city's new high school.

 

At least nine fire extinquishers were discharged and buckets of water and glue were tipped over throughout the new school's rotunda, media center, academic wings and the auxiliary gym when the vandals broke in on Saturday night.

 

Schools spokeswoman Kim Bonvissuto said the damage is not expected to delay the scheduled opening of school on Sept. 4. "It's more an issue of cleaning up and replacing tile squares," she said.

 

 

http://www.cleveland.com/westlake/index.ssf/2013/08/westlake_high_school_hit_with.html#incart_river_default

 

This is obviously the work of the Bay Bloods.  One of the Crocker Park Crips insulted a Blood mom.  Something about her 2004 Trailblazer.  This spilled over into the school.  Ugly!

e.rocc do you know which gang was involved here?

 

WESTLAKE, Ohio -- The Westlake school district is offering a reward to find out who is behind the weekend vandalism at the city's new high school.

 

At least nine fire extinquishers were discharged and buckets of water and glue were tipped over throughout the new school's rotunda, media center, academic wings and the auxiliary gym when the vandals broke in on Saturday night.

 

Schools spokeswoman Kim Bonvissuto said the damage is not expected to delay the scheduled opening of school on Sept. 4. "It's more an issue of cleaning up and replacing tile squares," she said.

 

 

http://www.cleveland.com/westlake/index.ssf/2013/08/westlake_high_school_hit_with.html#incart_river_default

 

Probably the Wah Na Beez out of Bay, str8 outta DC (Dover Center).

 

(are they the rival school?)

 

Hell, we did worse than this but were at least creative.  It didn't make the news, except when Twinsburg HS's opening was delayed 20 minutes because "someone" (not I) chained all the doors shut....after they busted the kids than ran their mouths before attempting their senior prank.

http://www.cleveland.com/metro/index.ssf/2013/09/cleveland_heights_doctor_attac.html#comments

 

This story takes the cake. My brother-in-law is a doctor at UH and knows Alan well. Just shocking and bizarre.

 

What's also sad is he, the victim, lost his first wife to ovarian cancer.

 

Oh, and the would-be murderer was released on bond. That's some judicial system we have.

 

I can only imagine the reaction if the attacker's identity had not been uncovered.  Goes to show things are quite often not remotely close to what initial suspicions would be

Not a good week at all.

 

http://www.shakerite.com/campus-and-city/2013/09/11/shaker-student-arrested-for-rape/

 

Student Arrested For Rape at School:

 

Griffith Says No Threat to Students and Staff Exists, Urges Restraint in Social Media Discussion

 

And the website reads that there were three other rapes/sexual assaults since 2008 in the school (so much for no threat). According to a 2012 article at http://www.shakerite.com/investigations/2012/05/30/hostile-hallways/  15%-20% of all Shaker female students have been sexually assaulted to varying degree. Again, so much for no threat.

 

 

Man, if this stuff was happening during the 90s, I certainly wasn't aware of it.