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So last night right down the street we see all the cops (from several cities) arriving.

 

Apparently, some idiot got into it with his girlfriend, grabbed her (not his) son, and him and a couple buddies took off.  The police chased them down Broadway, he took out a streetlight at the Broadway-Warrensville-Center-Columbus intersection, and then hit a building downtown.

 

The little boy got some cuts but I am pretty sure is okay because he was being comforted by a police officer instead of urgently treated.  Don't really care about the perps, though one of them tried to threaten a bystander into helping him escape on foot, so he didn't get too badly hurt. 

 

No news coverage yet.

Credit where it's due:  both the Maple Heights and Bedford police departments are very professional.  I've dealt with the latter more than most, my knowledge of the former is mostly anecdotal.  Neither is prone to cowboyism, slacking, or chicken-poop.

Cleveland Heights blowing up.  This time it's thugs on bikes with guns, again.

 

CLEVELAND HEIGHTS, Ohio — Five people were robbed at gunpoint during a three-hour span late Tuesday.

 

http://www.cleveland.com/metro/index.ssf/2013/10/cleveland_heights_police_inves.html#incart_river

 

And Heroin dealers randomly firing in bars.

 

CLEVELAND HEIGHTS, Ohio— A Cleveland man, who was recently named in a federal indictment telling his suspected heroin supplier he was planning to rob an informant working with FBI agents, was charged Wednesday in an unrelated shooting.

 

http://www.cleveland.com/metro/index.ssf/2013/10/man_already_facing_federal_cha.html#incart_river

 

 

Looks like a single perp and I think they got him. 16 year old serial gunpoint robber

Cleveland Heights blowing up.  This time it's thugs on bikes with guns, again.

 

CLEVELAND HEIGHTS, Ohio — Five people were robbed at gunpoint during a three-hour span late Tuesday.

 

http://www.cleveland.com/metro/index.ssf/2013/10/cleveland_heights_police_inves.html#incart_river

 

And Heroin dealers randomly firing in bars.

 

CLEVELAND HEIGHTS, Ohio— A Cleveland man, who was recently named in a federal indictment telling his suspected heroin supplier he was planning to rob an informant working with FBI agents, was charged Wednesday in an unrelated shooting.

 

http://www.cleveland.com/metro/index.ssf/2013/10/man_already_facing_federal_cha.html#incart_river

 

 

 

This is getting out of control, and unfortunately makes you think twice when a group of black teenagers on bikes approaches if you are in an area without a lot of people around. This is becoming far too common.

The article didn't give any description of the suspects.

The article didn't give any description of the suspects.

 

Ill admit I didnt read the entire article and just finished reading this article of a similar incident which happened in Lakewood so I probably mixed the two stories.

 

http://www.cleveland.com/metro/index.ssf/2013/10/man_wanted_for_lakewood_robber.html#incart_river_default

 

But still, this is an issue we can't ignore. It happens more than you think, most of the time not making the news. This exact scene/description fits nearly every crime notification at Cleveland State, the Clinic, etc. And now I see it has been happening in Cleveland Heights and Lakewood as well. Not good.

Cleveland Heights blowing up.  This time it's thugs on bikes with guns, again.

 

CLEVELAND HEIGHTS, Ohio — Five people were robbed at gunpoint during a three-hour span late Tuesday.

 

http://www.cleveland.com/metro/index.ssf/2013/10/cleveland_heights_police_inves.html#incart_river

 

And Heroin dealers randomly firing in bars.

 

CLEVELAND HEIGHTS, Ohio— A Cleveland man, who was recently named in a federal indictment telling his suspected heroin supplier he was planning to rob an informant working with FBI agents, was charged Wednesday in an unrelated shooting.

 

http://www.cleveland.com/metro/index.ssf/2013/10/man_already_facing_federal_cha.html#incart_river

 

 

 

This is getting out of control, and unfortunately makes you think twice when a group of black teenagers on bikes approaches if you are in an area without a lot of people around. This is becoming far too common.

 

"There is nothing more painful to me at this stage in my life than to walk down the street and hear footsteps and start thinking about robbery. Then look around and see somebody white and feel relieved.... After all we have been through. Just to think we can't walk down our own streets, how humiliating."

 

-Jesse Jackson, in 1993.

 

A lot of media outlets don't specify the race of thugs because in the past, this has been controversial.  I recall during my CWRU days when the Observer was pressured by campus black groups to refrain from mentioning race in descriptions.  Me being me, I felt the need to write a column on this during orientation week. :evil:

 

The unintended consequences:  people make the assumption.

This Byou Bar & Grille is a questionable establishment that probably shouldn't even have a liquor license.  Like another former nearby bar in the North Noble neighborhood, the Shillelagh, it's a magnet for trouble, and the numerous incidents reinforce this notion. 

^Just for purposes of clarification, Noble Rd. does not become "North Noble" until you cross Euclid.  Nor does anybody in the neighborhood refer to the stretch between Monitcello and Euclid as "North Noble."    :speech:

^The thing about that though is it seemingly randomly become s South None once it crosses Mayfield. So what is the section called between Mayfield and Euclid? Lol

Noble doesn't even start until Mayfield.  I'd actually call that neighborhood (which is a generous description of the area considering the significant transience) "Noble-Monticello" (very creative, huh?), though some might call it something else.  Not sure what I was thinking last night.

 

The point is that a number of establishments that have opened up shop in that area have become magnets for trouble recently.  Even the one independent gas station was labeled a nuisance by city council a year or two back.

Cleveland Heights blowing up.  This time it's thugs on bikes with guns, again.

 

CLEVELAND HEIGHTS, Ohio — Five people were robbed at gunpoint during a three-hour span late Tuesday.

 

http://www.cleveland.com/metro/index.ssf/2013/10/cleveland_heights_police_inves.html#incart_river

 

And Heroin dealers randomly firing in bars.

 

CLEVELAND HEIGHTS, Ohio— A Cleveland man, who was recently named in a federal indictment telling his suspected heroin supplier he was planning to rob an informant working with FBI agents, was charged Wednesday in an unrelated shooting.

 

http://www.cleveland.com/metro/index.ssf/2013/10/man_already_facing_federal_cha.html#incart_river

 

 

 

This is getting out of control, and unfortunately makes you think twice when a group of black teenagers on bikes approaches if you are in an area without a lot of people around. This is becoming far too common.

 

Same has been happening in Shaker lately.  There has been an uptick in home break-ins over the summer, and lately some armed robberies, usually black kids on bikes with guns, and another at the rapid station at Lee (similar description).  They were looking at possible connections to some in Cleveland Hts., but I worry that these thugs are just getting more brazen. 

 

FYI, the description has been the same in all of the cases, as much as I want it to be white kids (trying to shake my DC experiences, where my first 2 robberies were apparently due to not crossing the road when there was a group of black kids.  We were called stupid white boys by the black cop the first time, and just told that we should have known better the second (it wasn't at all a bad part of town).  The other incidences were even worse btw. 

I just thought this amounted to profiling, but I guess in a city where all of this type of crime is committed by blacks (mainly due to the lack of a white underclass), it is ok to make those assumptions..?  Or as MTS would just call having street smarts or others knowing the stats might call common senses..?  Thank god Shaker is a tight knit community, since the last thing we need is more abandonment and disinvestment in favor of far flung/safer neighborhoods.         

^ My take on the PC thing is it's pointless.  The majority of these crimes are exactly the same.  I don't know what good pretending does. 

 

This random bike thing DOES make me think about moving.  This random bike thing with guns WILL stop the momentum if it keeps up.

I don't think being PC is completely pointless, but when it goes to the extreme where giving an accurate description of a perpetrator is considered racist it becomes pointless. I think the only reason political correctness even exist is because people don't understand the cultural differences that exist.

 

People of one race or culture don't fully understand what is considered disrespectful or rude to people in another culture. To make sure this is not an issue people use political correctness which basically takes race or culture out of the equation, which isn't always appropriate.

This Byou Bar & Grille is a questionable establishment that probably shouldn't even have a liquor license.  Like another former nearby bar in the North Noble neighborhood, the Shillelagh, it's a magnet for trouble, and the numerous incidents reinforce this notion. 

 

There's a lot of things that a bar can do to minimize problems, which is the whole point of the laws allowing licenses to be pulled.  Many don't care, they skimp on those costs because they are trying to take out as much money as they can on a short term basis.  Many such go under long before they get their licenses pulled for these reasons, because they treat the cash like cash...

I don't think being PC is completely pointless, but when it goes to the extreme where giving an accurate description of a perpetrator is considered racist it becomes pointless. I think the only reason political correctness even exist is because people don't understand the cultural differences that exist.

 

People of one race or culture don't fully understand what is considered disrespectful or rude to people in another culture. To make sure this is not an issue people use political correctness which basically takes race or culture out of the equation, which isn't always appropriate.

 

Well said, you captured my intent well.  I should have qualified my pointless statement.

 

 

There are tons of media reports in which the race of the suspect is not given.  The outrage only seems to appear when it is a black suspect.  The question for the media is whether reporting the race of the suspect will actually help catch them.  Reporting that two black kids on bikes are robbing people along the Cleveland Hts/Cleveland/E Cleveland border is not going to accomplish much.

 

Noble doesn't even start until Mayfield.  I'd actually call that neighborhood (which is a generous description of the area considering the significant transience)

 

Not correct.  There is a road called South Noble on the south side of Mayfield.  And I have no idea why it wouldn't be considered a neighborhood.  Even if it were all rentals, which it is not, simply because an area is lacking homeowners does mean it is not a "neighborhood."  Is OC not a 'neighborhood'?  There is more transience, and I would bet way more crime in OC than there is in the Noble-Monticello area.

robbing people along the Cleveland Hts/Cleveland/E Cleveland border

 

FWIW, these happened all throughout Cleveland Heights and Shaker Heights (Lee and Fernway, Onaway and Van Aken, CH-UH library on Lee, Powell and Antisdale near Cain Park, the Coventry Peace Park, some other location not mentioned, and a seventh I'm forgetting the location of).

I knew there were several, but only heard a specific location for the one on Coventry Peace Park.  Regardless, I was using that descriptor in very general terms.  Point being, if this was happening in Hunting Valley, then giving the race of the suspects might be useful since you don't see too many black kids riding on bikes in HV.  But what does it accomplish when the crimes occured in the inner ring of the east side suburbs?  Honest question.  I read about some rather grizzly killings which occured out in the country recently and (a) I didn't see any mention of the suspects' races and (b) I didn't hear any gripes that the race of the suspects was not disclosed.

 

This is becoming a huge issue in the right-wing blogosphere news circle.  Whenever race does appear to have played an issue in a crime, and the suspect is white, they decry the media making it about race.  But when race appears to have played no part in the crime, and the black suspects' race is not identified, they scream to the heavens about some imagined injustice.  I'd bet I could spend 5 minutes on google and come up with several media reports on crimes in which the suspect was white but race was never mentioned once.

But what does it accomplish when the crimes occured in the inner ring of the east side suburbs?  Honest question.

 

I wasn't arguing with your point, just correcting the locations.

I knew there were several, but only heard a specific location for the one on Coventry Peace Park.  Regardless, I was using that descriptor in very general terms.  Point being, if this was happening in Hunting Valley, then giving the race of the suspects might be useful since you don't see too many black kids riding on bikes in HV.  But what does it accomplish when the crimes occured in the inner ring of the east side suburbs?  Honest question.  I read about some rather grizzly killings which occured out in the country recently and (a) I didn't see any mention of the suspects' races and (b) I didn't hear any gripes that the race of the suspects was not disclosed.

 

This is becoming a huge issue in the right-wing blogosphere news circle.  Whenever race does appear to have played an issue in a crime, and the suspect is white, they decry the media making it about race.  But when race appears to have played no part in the crime, and the black suspects' race is not identified, they scream to the heavens about some imagined injustice.  I'd bet I could spend 5 minutes on google and come up with several media reports on crimes in which the suspect was white but race was never mentioned once.

 

It's becoming an issue because of the Zimmerman case, of course.

 

Your points are well taken, but the reality is when people don't see it called out they make an assumption, which all too often ends up being correct.  It's not racism, it's statistics.

There are tons of media reports in which the race of the suspect is not given.  The outrage only seems to appear when it is a black suspect.  The question for the media is whether reporting the race of the suspect will actually help catch them.  Reporting that two black kids on bikes are robbing people along the Cleveland Hts/Cleveland/E Cleveland border is not going to accomplish much.

 

Noble doesn't even start until Mayfield.  I'd actually call that neighborhood (which is a generous description of the area considering the significant transience)

 

Not correct.  There is a road called South Noble on the south side of Mayfield.  And I have no idea why it wouldn't be considered a neighborhood.  Even if it were all rentals, which it is not, simply because an area is lacking homeowners does mean it is not a "neighborhood."  Is OC not a 'neighborhood'?  There is more transience, and I would bet way more crime in OC than there is in the Noble-Monticello area.

 

I'm aware of South Noble...it's barely a road, but either way kind of disconnected from the actual "Noble Road."

 

I think you and I agree more than you'd like to admit.  I also know that this area is approximately your old 'hood, so I'll try to tread lightly.  That said, one thing that cannot be ignored is the issues that have existed with two bars in that area and the one gas station.  I follow these stories closely and I speak up because this is where I wish CH City Council would as strict as possible with problematic establishments, whether those establishments are bars, stores, properties, etc. 

City council is strict with 'problematic establishments.'  They shut the gas station down.... but that had everything to do with the owners of the gas station and their 'business model.'  The City shutdown the old Rythym Room before Melt came in.  It even tried to shut down the 24 hour operation of the CVS store at Cedar/Lee a few years back.  They shut down whatever the club was that took over Jillian's space at Cedar-Fairmount.  If anything, council is over-aggressive.

 

I don't know much about the bar which triggered the initial discussion, but I do know a thing or two about Shaleighlee's (I have no idea if I spelled that correctly).  I've been in there more than once.  That bar has went through several different stages, from good to bad to worse back to good and so on, mostly dependent on the age range of the regular clientelle at any given moment in time.  If you close it, the crowd will just go to another bar.  The good thing about it is that it is within spitting distance of the satelite police station.  The patrons are very cognizant of that fact.  Closing it down permanently will only cause more headaches in the long run for the City IMHO.

 

And even thought I live accross the border, it's still my 'hood ;)  My mail is still addressed to the "121"

They shut down whatever the club was that took over Jillian's space at Cedar-Fairmount.

 

Myxx.  Did city council shut it down o a lack of revenue?  I never saw more than about 3 people in there, even on a Saturday night.

 

Also, wasn't it Platinum Dreams that got shut down before Melt moved in?

^They shut it down - http://www.clevescene.com/scene-and-heard/archives/2012/09/17/judge-orders-cleveland-heights-club-myxx-to-shut-down. 

 

You're right that nobody was going there..... but then the owner brought in a new manager who figured out a way for the business to earn revenue.  Unfortunately, that required a business model based on promoted events which attracted too many people.  There were no serious issues within the club.... but the usual riff-raff started hanging around outside at closing time and that gave the City all the reason it needed to take action.

City council is strict with 'problematic establishments.'  They shut the gas station down.... but that had everything to do with the owners of the gas station and their 'business model.'  The City shutdown the old Rythym Room before Melt came in.  It even tried to shut down the 24 hour operation of the CVS store at Cedar/Lee a few years back.  They shut down whatever the club was that took over Jillian's space at Cedar-Fairmount.  If anything, council is over-aggressive.

 

I don't know much about the bar which triggered the initial discussion, but I do know a thing or two about Shaleighlee's (I have no idea if I spelled that correctly).  I've been in there more than once.  That bar has went through several different stages, from good to bad to worse back to good and so on, mostly dependent on the age range of the regular clientelle at any given moment in time.  If you close it, the crowd will just go to another bar.  The good thing about it is that it is within spitting distance of the satelite police station.  The patrons are very cognizant of that fact.  Closing it down permanently will only cause more headaches in the long run for the City IMHO.

 

And even thought I live accross the border, it's still my 'hood ;)  My mail is still addressed to the "121"

 

The hope (or my hope) is that if you close down enough of these places, this crowd will end up going to another bar in another city.  That's probably a bit parochial on my part, but guess what, CH needs to protect its image in my opinion.  And in that sense, I don't think you can be aggressive enough.

 

By the way, you could live just south of NDC (not saying you do, but just as an example) and your address would still have the same 44121 zip code...but I wouldn't call that the same neighborhood.

^They shut it down - http://www.clevescene.com/scene-and-heard/archives/2012/09/17/judge-orders-cleveland-heights-club-myxx-to-shut-down. 

 

You're right that nobody was going there..... but then the owner brought in a new manager who figured out a way for the business to earn revenue.  Unfortunately, that required a business model based on promoted events which attracted too many people.  There were no serious issues within the club.... but the usual riff-raff started hanging around outside at closing time and that gave the City all the reason it needed to take action.

 

Yep, that's how it's done.  "Sweethearts" that Naymick was so quick to defend awhile back had the same business model.

 

Bedford's main police station is about 90 seconds away, a fact our customers are aware of (still, one I've been known to remind them of).  They're extremely professional and that helps.  CHPD has a (external, at least) reputation for being somewhat chicken-stuff.....but it may be neccesary.

This is what concerns me:

 

http://www.cleveland.com/cleveland-heights/index.ssf/2013/10/cleveland_heights_to_keep_cons_1.html

 

Why is this dump of a business still open?  Why are valuable CHPD man-hours being wasted watching video to ensure that no illicit activity is occurring here?  This place has been declared a nuisance on at least two separate occasions and I'm not sure it brings anything of value to the community.  Perhaps this falls more on the judicial system, because I would hope that at this point CH City Council would not be giving this place third or fourth chances.

^The City tends to overreach on these nuisance suits.  The CVS one was the worst.  Kelly and crew attempted to blame CVS for any crime which occured within 100 yards of the store, regardless of whether they were customers or not.  The City didn't make it very far on that claim.  I suspect they are also trumping up the charges a bit here and the arrangement with this Gas USA is part of a settlement which they agreed to allow the court to enter more like a judgment.  This strategy helps politically in a lot of ways.  They simply "accept" the court's ruling and don't give the appearance of backing down.

 

I personally never had any issue with the gas station.  The guys at the counter (a lebanese family, I believe) were always pleasant.  Plus, it has the only free tire air machine in the neighborhood ;)  That said, the store re-design was certainly suspect, so I wouldn't be surprised if there was something shady going on in the old mechanic's bays. 

^The City tends to overreach on these nuisance suits.  The CVS one was the worst.  Kelly and crew attempted to blame CVS for any crime which occured within 100 yards of the store, regardless of whether they were customers or not.  The City didn't make it very far on that claim.  I suspect they are also trumping up the charges a bit here and the arrangement with this Gas USA is part of a settlement which they agreed to allow the court to enter more like a judgment.  This strategy helps politically in a lot of ways.  They simply "accept" the court's ruling and don't give the appearance of backing down.

 

I personally never had any issue with the gas station.  The guys at the counter (a lebanese family, I believe) were always pleasant.  Plus, it has the only free tire air machine in the neighborhood ;)  That said, the store re-design was certainly suspect, so I wouldn't be surprised if there was something shady going on in the old mechanic's bays. 

 

Fair enough.  Though I will say this, if you want free air, hit the GetGo at the corner of Belvoir and Mayfield.  It's probably more convenient for a South Euclid residents like yourself anyways.

Though I will say this, if you want free air, hit the GetGo at the corner of Belvoir and Mayfield.  It's probably more convenient for a South Euclid residents like yourself anyways.

 

It's about equidistant.  Besides, I tend to stay away from Get-Go's.  I don't like waiting in line, especially at a gas station.  And I try to stay north of Mayfield Road.  The south side scares me.

according to cleveland.com, the Dollar General on Lee Rd. and On the Rise bakery on Fairmount have both been robbed at gunpoint in the last few days.  Whoever it is, they are not very smart.  Each time only made off with a few hundred.  Luckily no one was hurt.

according to cleveland.com, the Dollar General on Lee Rd. and On the Rise bakery on Fairmount have both been robbed at gunpoint in the last few days.  Whoever it is, they are not very smart.  Each time only made off with a few hundred.  Luckily no one was hurt.

 

Smart enough to get away clean with some amount of money.  Smart enough not to stick up a place that's the owner's entire livelihood, and he has a twelve gage under the counter.

 

We'll see if the video catches him, that will determine how smart.

I think you mean "lucky" enough..... for now.  I can't get on board with calling someone smart who risks his life and freedom for a few hundred dollars.

Wow.  On the Rise?  my gosh, they arent just going after low hanging fruits anymore.  We are talking about neighborhood icons.  ON the rise is a reason for me to go across to the east side and it usually always has people in it.  These thugs have more stones now, they arent afraid of anything.  The city of Cleveland Heights needs to come together and figure out a plan to tighten these robberies up. It will take leadership, buin and communication.  More than just public officials and cops too, residents have to get involved to help

That was a hell of a description by the PD with one glaring obvious omission.

 

Why even bother describing the bad guy at all if they're too cowardly to mention that one other thing? As though the suspect's shirt is relevant but his race is not? I don't understand America.

Wow.  On the Rise?  my gosh, they arent just going after low hanging fruits anymore.  We are talking about neighborhood icons.  ON the rise is a reason for me to go across to the east side and it usually always has people in it.  These thugs have more stones now, they arent afraid of anything.  The city of Cleveland Heights needs to come together and figure out a plan to tighten these robberies up. It will take leadership, buin and communication.  More than just public officials and cops too, residents have to get involved to help

 

It's going to take testicular fortitude and a certain degree of disdain (rather than understanding) for those who commit these sorts of crimes.  For the most part these people aren't desperate, it's what they do.

 

Sometimes they only get the message when a couple of them get ventilated.

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