That was a hell of a description by the PD with one glaring obvious omission.

 

Why even bother describing the bad guy at all if they're too cowardly to mention that one other thing? As though the suspect's shirt is relevant but his race is not? I don't understand America.

 

At this point that sort of omission has been going on for so long that an assumption is usually made.  If it's true, it's almost like no harm is done.

That was a hell of a description by the PD with one glaring obvious omission.

 

Why even bother describing the bad guy at all if they're too cowardly to mention that one other thing? As though the suspect's shirt is relevant but his race is not? I don't understand America.

 

It was a black guy.  Does that help you identify him?  Please call the CHPD if you have any tips on where they should look.

 

In other news, the Chagrin Falls pumpkin roll resulted in several arrests.  Unfortunately, the bias media coverage omits the race of those arrested, including the girl who escaped from police after being handcuffed and was on the loose for several hours.

 

The city of Cleveland Heights needs to come together and figure out a plan to tighten these robberies up.

 

They just recently arrested no less than 7 people in association with a string of robberies.  Nobody posted anything about it, despite all of the concern about these recent crimes.... which probably left the impression that the issue was not dealt with by the police.

And how can you be sure it was a black guy without the PD filling in that one fact? Why not someone white, Asian, Hispanic, Native American, Asgardian, etc?

 

And since we don't actually know (despite our suspicions) his race, then why should the PD, whom I presume does know, describe the suspect at all? What's the point if they're going to censor out material information?

^I can't be sure.  But it is what I heard based on word of mouth I would trust.  I was talking about the On the Rise robbery.

 

The most material aspect of the description actually WAS included.  A somewhat distinct and noticeable piece of apparel is much more useful for identification purposes than simply stating the person's race.  At least by describing the clothing and the type of vehicle he was driving, someone might be able to offer some leads.  But if you're looking for a black guy in Cleveland Heights..... well, good luck.  Just think about it for a minute.

You don't think describing what the suspect looks like is as important as his clothing and vehicle? It's not an either or; they are all relevant to providing the public an image of the psycho.

Skin color (white/light skinned/brown/black) would be more helpful than "race", especially in concert with height/build/etc.  But they didn't give that, either.  So we're looking for a shirt.

 

Also:

 

http://www.cleveland.com/metro/index.ssf/2013/10/police_investigating_attacks_i.html#incart_river_default

Skin color (white/light skinned/brown/black) would be more helpful than "race", especially in concert with height/build/etc.  But they didn't give that, either.  So we're looking for a shirt.

 

Agree.  It is kind of strange that there was that much information about clothes, but nothing about height/weight/build, let alone other details about appearance (including skin color).  These seem as if they would be much more helpful as the guy probably isn't wearing the same clothes days later.

^Perhaps, but let's just assume that the description was a black man, light-skinned, 5'10, 185 lbs, in his late 20's.  That describes more than a few people I know to a tee.  I wouldn't call in a tip on that description.  On the other hand, I can't remember seeing anyone recently who has a shirt with 'Intelligence' scrolled across it..... but if I did, I would call it in so the police could follow up.  I agree that the more detailed the description, the better.  But, in the end, I really doubt that the motivation of people who constantly complain about the lack of racial descriptors in crime coverage is more about a desire to solve crimes as it is some odd desire for vindication of thought.  Hell.... these people complain when the suspect has already been apprehended if the media doesn't report that the arrestee was black.  For sure, the next time I see someone complaining about a crime report which fails to report that the suspect is white will be the first.

We, or at least I, complain about the lack of racial descriptions because it's utterly retarded for the PD/cleveland.com to hide relevant descriptions due to irrational fears of being branded racist. It is journalism at its worst - cowering behind implied threats of the irrational, along with purposely overly sensitive, community leaders and race-baiting types. That is our, or at least my, motivation for being frustrated with these half-assed articles, not some vague racist mentality you're alluding to.

Here's a decent write-up on the issue, which contains some observation of actual misuse or questionable use of race - http://www.arktimes.com/arkansas/not-so-black-and-white/Content?oid=1878067

 

Newsrooms apply a standard test, according to a 2008 article from the Society of Professional Journalists: "Is the racial information useful to people in the community who might know the attacker or want to avoid harm themselves? Or is it so general that it only merely contributes to stereotypes about one group or another?"

 

And then there is this explanation - http://blogs.venturacountystar.com/crime/2009/04/race-in-suspect-descriptions.html

 

The reason our policy is generally to avoid including race in suspect descriptions is we feel many descriptions are too vague to actually help people identify a suspect, and including race in a broad description can be more problematic than useful. We do include it, as we did in this case, when there is enough specific description to really narrow the field of possible suspects*  *  *  *  * 

 

If a witness said he or she saw a white man of medium height and with a slim build walk into a store, that wouldn't narrow the field of possible suspects enough to merit the inclusion of race. It might contribute more to undue suspicion being placed on some of the thousands of people matching that description than to helping police arrest the perpetrator.

 

If, however, a witness described a white man with long black hair and a goatee, about 5' 11," 150 pounds and green eyes with a scar on his left cheek and wearing a button-down shirt and slacks, readers would have enough information to narrow the field of possible suspects to a much smaller group. In that case, race would be relevant and helpful because it is one part of a very specific description.

 

So, the media generally seems to use some type of test to determine whether reporting the race of the suspect is "pertinent" to the story.

I've read similar, if not nearly identical, articles justifying their hiding information, and I don't buy it. For instance, the media, including the PD/cleveland.com, referred to Zimmerman as being Hispanic-white in practically every first paragraph in every article, despite his race not having any relevance to the case. Never mind the fact that there were subsequent hate crimes of whites being attacked by blacks -- for being white: "We're doing this for Trayon!" hell of a rallying cry there. So there his race was relevant...but not in Cleveland Heights when the suspect is black.

 

This litmus test is silly, and naming a suspect's race will not mobilize the Klan, much like telling his gender will not mobilize anti-male attacks, much like mentioning scars or tattoos will not mobilize anti-scar and anti-tattoo attacks. It's a stupid explanation when the real truth is that the media will avoid even the tiniest hint of anti-black racism by all means, but they will be far more meticulous to racial detail in other cases.

I'm glad you brought up the Zimmerman/Trayvon case.  Perfect example.  Check out the initial reports of that 'incident' in the Orlando Sentinel.  http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/crime/os-fatal-shooting-sanford-townhomes-20120226,0,1610847.story  WHOOOOPS!  NO MENTION OF RACE for either Trayvon or Zimmerman.  Race was not mentioned in the media reports until AFTER Trayvon's parents publicly raised concerns that race was a factor in their son's death.... AND the flubbing of the investigation by police.... AND the failure/refusal to arrest the admitted shooter.  At that point, the race of the parties WAS relevant/pertinent to the ongoing media reports on the story.  Like it or not, there was and still is a question as to whether race played a factor in Trayvon's death (i.e. would he be alive if he was a white kid walking in a polo shirt?).

 

Putting aside those simple facts which show the nonsense of your analogy, there is absolutely no indication or accusation that race played a factor in the robberies in CH.  None.  There is no indication that On the Rise or the Dollar Store were targeted by the robber(s) because they were owned or operated by a people of a particular ethnicity.  There is no indication that race has any relevance to the story. 

 

Moreover, you act like the media only fails to report the race when the suspect is black.  Not true at all.  The same test applies to all reports.  It's just that you don't notice it because you and everybody else don't take the slightest notice to complain when the reverse occurs.

 

Of course, as with all standards/tests, this one can be misapplied or abused.  There is always the potential for human error or prejudice or bias to come into play.  I'm sure there are plenty of examples of the media not reporting race when it should, and examples of the media reporting race when it absolutely shouldn't (see the link I provided above).  But, re-directing the conversation back to this story, I don't see how reporting on the race of the suspect would be productive.  If you are truly interested, you might be able to obtain a copy of the police report or you could call the businesses and get more information than what the media is reporting.

So if I saw a white kid closely matching cleveland.com's censored description walking on Fairmount Blvd, and I called the police about him, thereby wasting everyone's time and causing some expense, then that would be as much, if not more, productive than had the newspaper mentioned the suspect being black? In which I wouldn't have wasted everyone's time and money in the first place? Ridiculous. Facts are facts, and if the PD/cleveland.com doesn't report them, then they're not doing their duty.

 

Your response doesn't make much sense to me...... what expense do you expect to cause?  The police know the suspect's race.  They have it in the police report.  They are not going to go chasing or apprehending a suspect who can't possibly match the description.  They MAY, however, try to find the kid you called about and ask him where he got his shirt.  I doubt it, but it's possible.  The police will always tell you that they prefer calls that don't materialize into leads as opposed to no calls. 

 

If you really want to dig a deeper whole of irrelevancy..... yes, it would be more productive than you calling the police about every "black male, medium height, medium build, dark hair, brown eyes" you see walking around Cleveland Heights.

 

FWIW, the Cleveland.bomb posters are similarly outraged.....

 

-So Cleveland Hts, how's that diversity working out for you now?

 

-It's funny that back in the day when the "less desireables" were confined to one area, that's where the crime and problems stayed.

 

-Brought to you courtesy of section 8. Straight from the projects, to a neighborhood near you. Cleveland Hts is doomed to be the toilet that is East Cleveland.

 

-I see you PC people are reporting.

You can give the color of the gun, the color of the clothes they were wearing & the color of the car they were driving, BUT you can't say what their skin color was?

Gee..... Let me guess their ethnic background/race......Jewish? ..nope!....Asian....nope! Caucasian...nope!! Indian.....nope!!.... Irish....nope!!.... Eskimos....nope!!!

My common sense tells me,,,,, OF COURSE THEY'RE BLACK!!!

it's Cleveland Heights & it's an armed robbery.

I guess common sense isn't so common for you liberals.

 

 

True. Police would rather get calls that turn out to be false alarms than get no calls.

On The Rise is located in a fairly decent part of Cleveland Heights (just across the border from Shaker Heights).  In response to those Cleveland.com commenters, I truly believe that such a robbery could happen in just about any suburban area with retail and somewhat easy car access.  The fact that Cleveland Heights includes some pretty rough areas (which irks the heck out of me and probably is something that needs to be addressed by city leadership) seems to be irrelevant in regards to at least one of these robberies. 

 

Either way, not sure if it's a terrible coincidence or what, but CH seems to have had a really bad month with these things and the police department needs to step it up.

On The Rise is located in a fairly decent part of Cleveland Heights (just across the border from Shaker Heights).  In response to those Cleveland.com commenters, I truly believe that such a robbery could happen in just about any suburban area with retail and somewhat easy car access.  The fact that Cleveland Heights includes some pretty rough areas (which irks the heck out of me and probably is something that needs to be addressed by city leadership) seems to be irrelevant in regards to at least one of these robberies. 

 

Either way, not sure if it's a terrible coincidence or what, but CH seems to have had a really bad month with these things and the police department needs to step it up.

 

Not just the police department.  The city and county leadership (courts) as well.  That requires gumption and the willingness to be called names when you know you are doing the right things.

 

If the PeeDee wants to start being relevant, start rating judges by how they treat violent and property crimes.

Hasn't Cleveland Heights had the highest rate of robberies in the area for quite a while now?

 

And poor On The Rise, they were trashed not too long ago by a guy who went nuts

Hasn't Cleveland Heights had the highest rate of robberies in the area for quite a while now?

 

Compared to what?  Other suburbs?  The entire metro?  The state?

I don't recall the exact comparison, but remember seeing some FBI statistics that had Cleveland Heights the highest in the area (I'm guessing among other suburbs). I'm only asking because some people seem to think this is a new phenomenon but I'm not sure it is.

Every time there is a crime in CH, it is treated as a new phenomenon.  That is no new phenomenon in itself.  CH has always (as far as I can remember) had its rough spots and its been on its 'downward spiral' as long as this Country has been in the proverbial 'handbasket to Hell.'  That said, C17 is right that the City has been plagued with these issues for the past month or so and the City needs to step it up. 

 

I think some comfort can be taken in that CH a more than a bit different than it's neighbor, South Euclid, which really has seen a spike compared to just two decades ago.  In a few more decades, I'd expect the wave that has hit SE, Garfield Heights, Maple Heights, Euclid, etc. to extend out to Lyndhurst, Mayfield Heights, Wickliffe, and anywhere else that has mostly housing which was originally designed post-war as middle-class starter homes.  Not many young, successful couples are looking to buy a 1,100 sf 1 1/2 story aluminum sided house.  What we can hope is that the reverse trend picks up in the City and parts of the inner-ring which have much more 'timeless' neighborhoods and housing stock.

^I was going to post something similar, suggesting that clusters of crimes like this usually just result from random variation, not some overarching trend.  However, if the crime data on citydata.com has any credibility, or at least internal validity (I'm not comparing across jurisdictions), it does look like there was a spike in several crime categories in 2010 and 2011, the latest years they have: http://www.city-data.com/crime/crime-Cleveland-Heights-Ohio.html  These things may have indeed become more common in CH in recent years. Note that I'm not saying the city is "dangerous", just passing on something that surprised me a bit.

^I had seen that city-data breakdown and wasn't sure how much credence to give it, considering it has East Cleveland with a lower crime rate than CH and Euclid.  I find that very hard to believe.  Perhaps it is just distorted based on a variance in reported crime. 

^Like I said, I definitely wouldn't trust the data to compare across jurisdictions. Especially not East Cleveland which seems end in 2004 (lord only knows what kind of record keeping goes on in that police department). But if the crime reporting infrastructure is roughly constant within a normal (i.e., not EC) city over short periods of time, the data could still be decent at indicating spikes. I think it's actually kind of lame that more cities don't just post crime data straight from their PD right on their own web site.  The City of Cambridge, MA puts together amazing monthly crime reports for its residents: http://www.cambridgema.gov/cpd/Publications/detail.aspx?path=%2fsitecore%2fcontent%2fhome%2fcpd%2fPublications%2f2013%2fbridgestat2013%2fbridgestatseptember2013

I have crime statistics for every city in the region from 2011 and 2012 I believe. I currently don't have access to it but might be able to get a hold of it in a week a so.

^Where did you get your data from, ClevelandOhio?

I believe CO uses the FBI numbers, correct?  There might not be a better source out there for us, but the reality is that the FBI largely depends on local authorities for their statistics, which can skew the numbers too low (due to sefl under-reporting) or too high (comparably at least, due to other communities under-reporting).

I believe CO uses the FBI numbers, correct?  There might not be a better source out there for us, but the reality is that the FBI largely depends on local authorities for their statistics, which can skew the numbers too low (due to sefl under-reporting) or too high (comparably at least, due to other communities under-reporting).

 

A few years back, I remember there being an outcry after the Rating the Suburbs issue of Cleveland Magazine came out about Cleveland Heights not reporting crimes accurately.  I believe that specifically felony robbery and rape were claimed to be grossly under-reported.  Cleveland Heights was shown in that issue to have a lower crime rate than Broadview Heights, and people questioned the validity of the numbers Cleveland Heights had been producing.  Every year since then Cleveland Heights's numbers in these categories have been way up (like triple), so I'm wondering if there really is more crime or somebody cracked down on some questionable statistics coming from the department (or a little of each).  Either way, though, yes, the last month or so has been especially bad for some reason.

Every time there is a crime in CH, it is treated as a new phenomenon.  That is no new phenomenon in itself.  CH has always (as far as I can remember) had its rough spots and its been on its 'downward spiral' as long as this Country has been in the proverbial 'handbasket to Hell.'  That said, C17 is right that the City has been plagued with these issues for the past month or so and the City needs to step it up. 

 

I think some comfort can be taken in that CH a more than a bit different than it's neighbor, South Euclid, which really has seen a spike compared to just two decades ago.  In a few more decades, I'd expect the wave that has hit SE, Garfield Heights, Maple Heights, Euclid, etc. to extend out to Lyndhurst, Mayfield Heights, Wickliffe, and anywhere else that has mostly housing which was originally designed post-war as middle-class starter homes.  Not many young, successful couples are looking to buy a 1,100 sf 1 1/2 story aluminum sided house.  What we can hope is that the reverse trend picks up in the City and parts of the inner-ring which have much more 'timeless' neighborhoods and housing stock.

 

Cleveland Heights and to a lesser degree Shaker Heights have a lot of university people.  They’re more liberal and want to remain close to the colleges.  Plus there’s a certain degree of student population in CH that, while transient, are more idealistic.  This leads to a certain degree of cultural stability.  People don’t want to make assumptions, almost to a fault.  Even when things are smacking them in the face (the McDermott attack, the occasional thug outbreaks in Shaker Square), there’s a certain degree of discomfort with reaching the obvious conclusions.

 

The folks out in the subdivision suburbs aren’t idealists.  They’re for the most part cynics.  Either they or their parents (in some cases grandparents) already moved once, so even if they have lived in the same place for decades, there’s no tradition tying them to a certain place.  This has ironically gotten stronger in this era of Facebook, which has served as a touchstone for the various “expatriate” communities.  One can keep in touch with the people of the “old neighborhood” which was really the only thing worth missing about most of these places even in the best of times.

 

As I said, they’ve moved once before.  At the risk of making what might be seen as an unfortunate correlation, they (okay, we…) can be a lot like the African “whenwes” in their idealization of the past.  They’re also hypersensitive to the conditions that caused them to move to begin with, and have no concept of self-fulfilling prophecy.  All they see is the racial correlation with the spread of inner city problems.  They don’t even notice that there is a lag of three to ten years between the integration of a neighborhood and its development of “inner city” problems….if it happens at all.

 

^^Ah, that sounds vaguely familiar and would explain the jump.  Thanks.

 

I believe CO uses the FBI numbers, correct?  There might not be a better source out there for us, but the reality is that the FBI largely depends on local authorities for their statistics, which can skew the numbers too low (due to sefl under-reporting) or too high (comparably at least, due to other communities under-reporting).

 

The FBI depends entirely on local authorities for crime data.  Their only role is trying to impose some uniformity in reporting standards so people can at least try to compare across jurisdictions. 

The PD had an article on Cleveland Heights' misreporting of crime statistics.  Although CH was caught and publicly called out on it, I am certain that this is not the only city engaging in that behavior.

The PD had an article on Cleveland Heights' misreporting of crime statistics.  Although CH was caught and publicly called out on it, I am certain that this is not the only city engaging in that behavior.

 

Absolutely.  I was just explaining the likely cause of the stats being up in the last couple of years.

The PD had an article on Cleveland Heights' misreporting of crime statistics.  Although CH was caught and publicly called out on it, I am certain that this is not the only city engaging in that behavior.

 

Absolutely.  I was just explaining the likely cause of the stats being up in the last couple of years.

 

Yeah I saw your post...such a change in reporting makes trend-spotting practically impossible further than a year or two back.

Every time there is a crime in CH, it is treated as a new phenomenon.  That is no new phenomenon in itself.  CH has always (as far as I can remember) had its rough spots and its been on its 'downward spiral' as long as this Country has been in the proverbial 'handbasket to Hell.'  That said, C17 is right that the City has been plagued with these issues for the past month or so and the City needs to step it up. 

 

I think some comfort can be taken in that CH a more than a bit different than it's neighbor, South Euclid, which really has seen a spike compared to just two decades ago.  In a few more decades, I'd expect the wave that has hit SE, Garfield Heights, Maple Heights, Euclid, etc. to extend out to Lyndhurst, Mayfield Heights, Wickliffe, and anywhere else that has mostly housing which was originally designed post-war as middle-class starter homes.  Not many young, successful couples are looking to buy a 1,100 sf 1 1/2 story aluminum sided house.  What we can hope is that the reverse trend picks up in the City and parts of the inner-ring which have much more 'timeless' neighborhoods and housing stock.

 

Oh so we do agree!  (although you haven't agreed with that when I posted it?)

^I really don't want to retread that non-productive conversation, but if you care to look back, myself and, iirc, others disagreed with the way you framed the issue, not your ultimate point.  Allow me to try to explain in a way you can understand.  If I want to know if Bill's brother is a homesexual, I could ask Bill "is your brother gay?" or I could ask him "is your brother a f#g?"  While I might be ultimately asking the same question (in the minds of many people, at least), the way I framed it is completely different.

121, what's your take on the role of the court system in some of the crime problems facing inner-ring suburbs like CH?  I've heard some argue that the courts can be too lenient at times with these criminals who eventually become repeat (oftentimes escalating) offenders.  I actually think that the CHPD does a really admirable job in dealing with crime in the city, but I wonder if they're not being fully supported by the courts.

Municipal courts only deal with minor crimes.  No felonies.  That said, there was a judge in Euclid Muni for quite some time who brought the hammer down on minor offenses and it didn't seem to have a positive effect.  Some would argue it had the opposite effect.  It's a complicated discussion, but I would venture to guess that the sentencing discretion of municipal court judges is probably not wide enough to have an effect one way or the other.  And then you have to consider whether being overly strict produces good long-term returns.  Consider that perhaps Cleveland's most violent gang (can't remember the name at the moment) started in the Cuyahoga County juvenile detention center.

Things getting rough in KJP's hood!

Clifton Boulevard pharmacy robbed by a man with a short revolver: Pick of the Blotter

 

LAKEWOOD, Ohio -- A man with a silver or black short revolver robbed a Clifton Boulevard pharmacy in the early morning hours on Monday, police said.

 

http://www.cleveland.com/lakewood/index.ssf/2013/10/clifton_boulevard_pharmacy_rob.html

My brother was robbed at gunpoint on W. 116 about a month ago.  It's definitely getting rough over there.

My brother was robbed at gunpoint on W. 116 about a month ago.  It's definitely getting rough over there.

 

Where was he coming from?

 

Late night around NTC is pretty sketchy.  I often wondered if they laid in wait for people coming out of Brothers.  Probably have more money than the NTC crowd.

 

 

http://www.cleveland.com/lakewood/index.ssf/2013/11/men_snatch_candy_from_trick_or.html#incart_river

^I highly doubt those were "men".... teens most likely.  I think that is the first I have heard of bag snatching on Halloween since the 80's.

i-phone app was used to locate three men who had robbed a woman in CH.  Sounds like she knew one of the guys, so while identifying at least one of the suspects might not have been difficult, the use of the app makes a conviction much easier.  Three guys in a white car.  That matches the description of the suspects involved in two robberies last week.  Police have not made a firm connection, but hopefully they will.  The suspects are reported to be from Euclid, EC, and SE.  They were located at an apartment complex in Richmond Hts.  That seems to happen a lot with the suspects of CH crimes not being CH residents.  Not sure why.

 

The PD's story - http://www.cleveland.com/metro/index.ssf/2013/11/iphone_app_helps_police_catch.html#incart_river_default

 

No.... they don't give the race of the suspects who were arrested.

Well, the pictures may be released.  But let's be real, it's not exactly stereotyping to suspect that Tyrice from East Cleveland doesn't exactly resemble Sven from Stockholm.

 

Descriptions of suspects at large a different issue.

Well, at least we know the color of the car. Better that than a description of the perps, i guess

^Perhaps, but let's just assume that the description was a black man, light-skinned, 5'10, 185 lbs, in his late 20's.  That describes more than a few people I know to a tee.

 

Why even report that they were male? That describes even more people!

Hasn't Cleveland Heights had the highest rate of robberies in the area for quite a while now?

 

And poor On The Rise, they were trashed not too long ago by a guy who went nuts

 

Well I looked and I had 2010 and 2011 stats so they are somewhat outdated but based on those I do not find that statement to be true.

 

In 2011 Cleveland Heights had a violent crime rate(per 1,000) of 3.17. In comparison, University Heights had 7.31, Shaker Heights had 4.96, Chagrin Falls with 3.65, Euclid with 11.35, Mayfield Heights with 3.29, Maple Heights with 22.60 and East Cleveland with 130.64!

 

Edit: Just found a list I posted on here from a while back which included more cities.

 

East Cleveland - 130.64

Maple Heights - 22.60

Euclid - 11.35

Lorain - 10.95

University Heights - 7.31

Eastlake - 5.76

North Olmsted - 5.59

Amherst - 5.07

Shaker Heights - 4.96

Lakewood - 4.93

Chagrin Falls - 3.65

Westlake - 3.30

Cleveland Heights - 3.17

Chardon - 3.11

Mentor - 3.10

Parma - 2.90

Rocky River - 2.47

Beachwood - 2.34

Solon - 2.23

Strongsville - 1.63

Avon - 1.60

Willoughby - 1.48

 

I have additional information for other cities if anyone is interested and I also have exact numbers for crimes(homicide, robbery, rape, larceny, etc.) rather than violent/non-violent crime rates.

Just saw this. I usually don't frequent the crime threads even though writing the police blotter for Sun was my favorite assignment. Fortunately I'm usually not out after 10 p.m. or so.

 

Things getting rough in KJP's hood!

Clifton Boulevard pharmacy robbed by a man with a short revolver: Pick of the Blotter

 

LAKEWOOD, Ohio -- A man with a silver or black short revolver robbed a Clifton Boulevard pharmacy in the early morning hours on Monday, police said.

 

http://www.cleveland.com/lakewood/index.ssf/2013/10/clifton_boulevard_pharmacy_rob.html

Hasn't Cleveland Heights had the highest rate of robberies in the area for quite a while now?

 

And poor On The Rise, they were trashed not too long ago by a guy who went nuts

 

Well I looked and I had 2010 and 2011 stats so they are somewhat outdated but based on those I do not find that statement to be true.

 

In 2011 Cleveland Heights had a violent crime rate(per 1,000) of 3.17. In comparison, University Heights had 7.31, Shaker Heights had 4.96, Chagrin Falls with 3.65, Euclid with 11.35, Mayfield Heights with 3.29, Maple Heights with 22.60 and East Cleveland with 130.64!

 

Edit: Just found a list I posted on here from a while back which included more cities.

 

East Cleveland - 130.64

Maple Heights - 22.60

Euclid - 11.35

Lorain - 10.95

University Heights - 7.31

Eastlake - 5.76

North Olmsted - 5.59

Amherst - 5.07

Shaker Heights - 4.96

Lakewood - 4.93

Chagrin Falls - 3.65

Westlake - 3.30

Cleveland Heights - 3.17

Chardon - 3.11

Mentor - 3.10

Parma - 2.90

Rocky River - 2.47

Beachwood - 2.34

Solon - 2.23

Strongsville - 1.63

Avon - 1.60

Willoughby - 1.48

 

I have additional information for other cities if anyone is interested and I also have exact numbers for crimes(homicide, robbery, rape, larceny, etc.) rather than violent/non-violent crime rates.

 

I think the obvious question is:  what was Cleveland?

ClevelandOhio, can you generate that same list for robberies only? I'm curious to see how flawed the FBI stats are