April 13, 200916 yr If you get the boy out of the way first.. then you donthave to worry about your name lasting.. I know too many guys that have had all girls and the name stops. So? So bloody what if your family name doesn't carry on - I have *never* understood why people make such a deal about this. The worst is when I see parents or grandparents pressuring their kids to procreate for that reason. I agree. My last name would be Davenport if I had my dad's family name. I don't even want his genes, let alone carry on the family name lol. Who cares, really? It's just a name. In 10 years people will probably be able to look up their family tree in a data base going back hundreds of years. Seems petty to me. Some people are proud of thier heritage.. I love my name. especially my lastname. And I would love to have a son not only to carry on the family name but for other reasons as well. Wasnt that a subject in the You, Me and Dupree movie.. Michael Douglas' character wanted his name to live on if I remember correctly.
April 13, 200916 yr If you get the boy out of the way first.. then you donthave to worry about your name lasting.. I know too many guys that have had all girls and the name stops. So? So bloody what if your family name doesn't carry on - I have *never* understood why people make such a deal about this. The worst is when I see parents or grandparents pressuring their kids to procreate for that reason. Yes, it is quite stupid. The day my wife and I got married, she was very sad about losing her name. And I can totally understand. I really do feel bad for women in this respect. It is one of the most "bullyish" types of things we can ask our wives to do. Heck, if my wife asked, I would have considered taking hers. I know if my daughter gets married someday, I will feel very bad when she takes a new name. I think it is really stupid just to carry out a family name. People that do this tend to be Dad's that care about their boys playing football and beating other kids up on the playground JMHO.
April 13, 200916 yr If you get the boy out of the way first.. then you donthave to worry about your name lasting.. I know too many guys that have had all girls and the name stops. So? So bloody what if your family name doesn't carry on - I have *never* understood why people make such a deal about this. The worst is when I see parents or grandparents pressuring their kids to procreate for that reason. Yes, it is quite stupid. The day my wife and I got married, she was very sad about losing her name. And I can totally understand. I really do feel bad for women in this respect. It is one of the most "bullyish" types of things we can ask our wives to do. Heck, if my wife asked, I would have considered taking hers. I know if my daughter gets married someday, I will feel very bad when she takes a new name. I think it is really stupid just to carry out a family name. People that do this tend to be Dad's that care about their boys playing football and beating other kids up on the playground JMHO. That sounds like my Dad. But women have the option of hyphenating their names.
April 13, 200916 yr If you get the boy out of the way first.. then you donthave to worry about your name lasting.. I know too many guys that have had all girls and the name stops. So? So bloody what if your family name doesn't carry on - I have *never* understood why people make such a deal about this. The worst is when I see parents or grandparents pressuring their kids to procreate for that reason. I think it is really stupid just to carry out a family name. People that do this tend to be Dad's that care about their boys playing football and beating other kids up on the playground JMHO. Progressive thinking at its best! ;) Nothing like laying a blanket of generalizations over an entire group of people!
April 13, 200916 yr That sounds like my Dad. But women have the option of hyphenating their names. If a woman hyphenates her name does the husband do the same?
April 13, 200916 yr That sounds like my Dad. But women have the option of hyphenating their names. If a woman hyphenates her name does the husband do the same? John Lennon did, but he's the only one I know of. Many women now do not change their name, it's not quite as much a social requirement as it used to be, especially with a lot of women getting married older and having their careers already established, they don't want to take on the husband's name. I was glad to get rid of my name; if I hadn't gotten married by the time I was 40, I would have changed it to my mother's maiden name. In addition to being impossible to spell, the "heritage" of my name includes a plethora of bloodthirsty, mean, horrible, horrible people whom I never want to be associated with, ever again. I am actually proud and happy to carry on the line of my husband's name, which has some significance in his small hometown; they even have a road named after their family. When we finally realized I wouldn't be able to get PG (before we went through fertility treatments), I had a complete breakdown one night bawling about the fact that I wouldn't be able to have a son for my husband in order to carry on his family name, even though it wasn't anything he had ever mentioned as being important to him. He has a really big family and their heritage is important to them and I'm happy to be part of it.
April 13, 200916 yr That sounds like my Dad. But women have the option of hyphenating their names. If a woman hyphenates her name does the husband do the same? No, so the woman has a different last name than her children. My wife changed her middle name to her maiden name.
April 13, 200916 yr That sounds like my Dad. But women have the option of hyphenating their names. If a woman hyphenates her name does the husband do the same? No. That sounds like my Dad. But women have the option of hyphenating their names. If a woman hyphenates her name does the husband do the same? No, so the woman has a different last name than her children. My wife changed her middle name to her maiden name. I think/thought you had the option of giving your children the hyphenated name.
April 13, 200916 yr My former doctor and his wife hyphenated their names (his went first), and their children's names were similarly hyphenated, but what happens if his children gets married? Do they become X Morganstern-Clarren-something, and where does it end?
April 13, 200916 yr My former doctor and his wife hyphenated their names (his went first), and their children's names were similarly hyphenated, but what happens if his children gets married? Do they become X Morganstern-Clarren-something, and where does it end? I guess it's personal choice.
April 13, 200916 yr ^You'd think, being a doctor and all, that he would have though of that. Also, with long last names, the potential for a 20+ letter hyphenated name is possible, which doesn't fit on standardized tests, driver's licenses, concrete goose embroidery templates, etc.
April 13, 200916 yr It grows exponentially: 1st generation- 2 names (Smith-Williams) 2nd generation- 4 names (Smith-Williams-Anderson-Johnson) 3rd generation- 8 names (Smith-Williams-Anderson-Johnson-White-Johnson-Williams-Shaw) etc...... It's an interesting topic. I don't know how to balance all the interests of fairness, genealogy, family pride, etc. The old system was at least consistent. Of course, it was consistently unfair to women.
April 13, 200916 yr Ok so when did the "hyphen" become involved in the naming process? Is there a record for the first hyphenated name? Personally I think it would be a bother when you have to sign your full name to something when having a hyphenated name. Some people already have long enough names. JMO
April 13, 200916 yr Have you guys heard of this thing called gene mixing? LOL The genetic diversity that you get after three generations makes the whole lineage thing irrelevant. Especially in America. I can understand why people want to procreate (you can't sustain a civilization without it, duh) but beyond that I just don't understand what the big deal is. ^You'd think, being a doctor and all, that he would have though of that. Also, with long last names, the potential for a 20+ letter hyphenated name is possible, which doesn't fit on standardized tests, driver's licenses, concrete goose embroidery templates, etc. lolol
April 13, 200916 yr Is our lineage limited to our genes? No. Genetic lineage is an interesting academic pursuit, but every so often disputes about it turn bloody. And the US has done some crappy things to its own citizens based on genetic lineage. This is why people in my family had to cover up their genetic lineage for a very long time. So I wouldn't take it too seriously. My dad was adopted, and our not knowing about that aspect of the lineage is inconsequential. It would be nice to know what diseases are upcoming, but oh well. Seriously. The affiliations you take on individually are far more important than the one you're born with. For the same reason, I think hypenated names are ridiculous. They're becoming more common in sports and I hate it. I'd prefer people called themselves something like "He Hate Me," or maybe any extraneous name on the jersey gets shortened to "etc." I can understand not wanting to give any props to an absent father, but please just pick a name.
April 13, 200916 yr Is our lineage limited to our genes? And the US has done some crappy things to its own citizens based on genetic lineage. Hell yeah. And that goes for a lot of groups. Irish monkeys need not apply:
April 13, 200916 yr ^You have lineage all over the place! Yup, and my life and understanding of my place in the world is enriched for realizing that, not forgetting it.
April 13, 200916 yr How about a new poll? How many people think David should procreate? Sorry David, no one raised their hands!
April 13, 200916 yr It grows exponentially: 1st generation- 2 names (Smith-Williams) 2nd generation- 4 names (Smith-Williams-Anderson-Johnson) 3rd generation- 8 names (Smith-Williams-Anderson-Johnson-White-Johnson-Williams-Shaw) etc...... It's an interesting topic. I don't know how to balance all the interests of fairness, genealogy, family pride, etc. The old system was at least consistent. Of course, it was consistently unfair to women. Well you also have to understand where a family is from. There are many people know that have long names without hyphenation. I have four names I just don't use the fourth. Most latinos have two last names your Fathers last name followed by your mothers Ex: Juan Xavier Valdez (Sanchez) marries Lucinda Maria Berrios and has a son, Rogeliog. Rogeliog's full name would be Rogeliog Fernando Valdez (Berrios). Lucindas name then changes here name to Lucinda Maria Berrios de Valdez. Sometimes the "de" or "del" can be and indication of what city/region you/your family is from. The letter(s) that end your surname tell people who your father is. In some cases it's even longer like my grand mothers name where it's hyphened and has "de" XX. We also have stuff on the front of our names instead of Mr. or Mrs. For instance when we are in PR, people refer to my grandparents as "Don" & "Dona" de Valdemoro and my Aunt as Dona as well. ez/es (Brazilian or Portuguese) az/as oz/os a "z" or "s" at the end of your last name can also tell what latin culture you are from with the exception of Colombians.
April 13, 200916 yr ^You have lineage all over the place! I could go so many places with this....but it's the day after Easter.
April 13, 200916 yr What? What's that Lassie? Little DanB fell inside the well again? Maybe he's starting to suffer from Dementia.
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