January 11, 201213 yr - High Speed Rail, I don't see that happening in a long time. Aside from Acela on the left and right coasts, are any other high speed lines being built in the US? Depends on your definition of high-speed rail. See my response at: http://www.urbanohio.com/forum2/index.php/topic,2068.msg596879.html#msg596879 "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
January 11, 201213 yr And Mark Miller took my screen name on twitter after I changed it..... I apologize if any of you are getting outrageous, insulting, or disgusting tweets. Its not me. Its COAST.
January 11, 201213 yr So is there ever a chance that this will get built? This map probably scares the bejesus out of COAST/ODOT/Kasich/Republicans/highway contractors, all of whom have a vested interest in seeing to it that we don't have any real choices when it comes to mobility. They know that once the intial segment of the streetcar project is built, people WILL ride and demand will build for what's on that map. May that day come soon!
January 11, 201213 yr Right, there wouldn't be much opposition if it was destined to fail. If the streetcar really was some piece of crap project that went nowhere, they would have just thrown $150M at it, built it, let it fail, proved to people that it was going to fail and use the failure as an excuse to pull rail funding for a very long time. Especially since $150M is such a small amount compared to the rest of the transportation budget in Ohio.
January 11, 201213 yr They want to make Ohio red and Ohio's cities dead. At least that's one camp. The other camp doesn't want there to be nice things for people who aren't "like them", regardless of whether those things are successful or not. Either way, it's a culture war issue. And that's where the passion, determination, and persistence comes from. If someone doesn't care or just thinks it's a stupid idea, they gave up the fight no later than the first ballot initiative.
January 11, 201213 yr Right, there wouldn't be much opposition if it was destined to fail. If the streetcar really was some piece of crap project that went nowhere, they would have just thrown $150M at it, built it, let it fail, proved to people that it was going to fail and use the failure as an excuse to pull rail funding for a very long time. Especially since $150M is such a small amount compared to the rest of the transportation budget in Ohio. The streetcar didn't get a dime from the state.
January 11, 201213 yr ^ Right, but the state probably could have found money for it if they were so motivated.
January 11, 201213 yr ^ Right, but the state probably could have found money for it if they were so motivated. Could have? More like did. Then they suddenly became "motivated" to pull it and give (a portion of) it to Kasich's home district instead.
January 11, 201213 yr Chris Bortz on COAST/Finney...Thinks COAST might have a case...Says the city should 'Slow down' on the streetcar...Says he has a ton of concern based on public outcry Cincinnati Streetcar/Sanitation Lines - U.S. Bank Business Watch - 1/8/12
January 11, 201213 yr I'm so glad Bortz is no longer on council. With "friends" like him, the streetcar needs no enemies.
January 11, 201213 yr Slow down? LOL. Meanwhile, COAST is criticizing the project for being behind schedule. Oh, and why is that video on usbank's Youtube channel?
January 11, 201213 yr Slow down? LOL. Meanwhile, COAST is criticizing the project for being behind schedule. Oh, and why is that video on usbank's Youtube channel? USBank show is the Business Couriers weekly TV show http://www.bizjournals.com/cincinnati/news/2012/01/11/brian-patrick-named-host-of-us-bank.html The quotes from Bortz eeriely mimic those from Ghiz, Winburn, and yes...C____. Its almost as if he's been coached on what to say. But why? Now look what we have here. On c____'s website, we have C_____ leading a fundraiser featuring....None other than.... Chris Bortz...That's right, Chris Bortz and Chris Finney are leading a fundraiser in support of Wenstrup. The longer and longer construction doesn't happen, we'll continue to see stuff like this. Bortz is now in directly in line with C____'s message. I said this months ago after hearing his appearance on Marc Amazon's show. Lets hope council is solid in their beliefs because there is a lot going on behind the scenes
January 11, 201213 yr ^ Because Bortz is going to run for County Commission he's decided to play it up for the township crowd and flip flop on a project that he's vocally advocated until now. He's the worst type of self serving hypocrite that there is.
January 11, 201213 yr He's a monied whore, just like Sittenfeld. When Sittenfeld inevitably decides to run for higher office, just watch how fast he starts railing against the city and the streetcar.
January 11, 201213 yr Smitherman and winburn just called a special financing of the streetcar session... Can't link because im on my phone but its on fox19 website
January 11, 201213 yr @FOX19Special session announced for City Council on streetcar finances http://t.co/eGXpeh4e
January 12, 201213 yr Smitherman and winburn just called a special financing of the streetcar session... Can't link because im on my phone but its on fox19 website "The special session was called by council members Chris Smitherman and Charlie Winburn. In a statement released Wednesday, they said, "The purpose of the meeting is not to talk about concept but tax payer money. Citizens in the city and region should be concerned that they may pay for the streetcar with their utility bills." They're all using TOAST's talking points. Of course this is just a publicity stunt because any proposal that Slitherman & Windbag make will be shot down. Don't be surprised to see Sittenfeld go along with these two demagogues, the guy just reeks of wannabe career politician (who wants to move onwards and upwards to County/State office then to Congress) who will tell any given group of people what he thinks they want to hear.
January 12, 201213 yr So...is Smitherman going to freak out like last time council called one of these special streetcar meetings? Are his goons going to make throat-slitting gestures at streetcar supporters again? Is Wayne Lippert invited?
January 12, 201213 yr This just in...Bortz is co-hosting a fundraiser with Chris Finney: http://www.coast-usa.blogspot.com/2012/01/coasters-throw-fundraiser-for-dr-brad.html Disgusting.
January 12, 201213 yr So...is Smitherman going to freak out like last time council called one of these special streetcar meetings? Are his goons going to make throat-slitting gestures at streetcar supporters again? Is Wayne Lippert invited? Throat slitting gestures? Wow. Never heard that one. Talk about pushing the envelope!
January 12, 201213 yr Coast talk has been moved to the Coast thread: http://www.urbanohio.com/forum2/index.php/topic,11812.0.html “All truly great thoughts are conceived while walking.” -Friedrich Nietzsche
January 12, 201213 yr Funny when you hear folks like Bortz saying the city needs to "slow down" on the streetcar. That's code for "scuttle the project" because the same folks who would build roads complain about the process taking too long... #facepalm
January 12, 201213 yr So...is Smitherman going to freak out like last time council called one of these special streetcar meetings? Are his goons going to make throat-slitting gestures at streetcar supporters again? Is Wayne Lippert invited? Throat slitting gestures? Wow. Never heard that one. Talk about pushing the envelope! Lovely council meeting. throat slitting, Tom Luken got ejected by security, Smitherman had to be restrained from attacking people (Quinlivan?) before he ran out of chambers. Ghiz later commended Smitherman & griped about crazies that provoked him. I forget who got the picture.
January 12, 201213 yr Smitherman's takeover of white talk radio continues -- he was a guest for a half hour on Brian Thomas's morning show yesterday, then hosted another half hour himself. Today Thomas said "he agrees with everything Smitherman says". Today, Smitherman will be Cunningham's guest at 1pm to talk about...the streetcar utility costs. Meanwhile, Doc Thompson is extolling the proposed speed limit increase, turning it into an attack on the "slow" streetcar. A caller called him out on what the speed limit increase actually is -- a way to get more gas tax revenue in ODOT's pockets -- and he went ape.
January 12, 201213 yr The photo above is mine. Smitherman lunged after a streetcar supporter and attempted to assault him, and had to be restrained by security. When he saw me taking the photo, he tried to go after me, and one of his supporters tried to physically prevent me from taking the photo. (Luckily, I'm much taller than she was.) Smitherman is a mentally-unstable basketcase, and needs to be put away somewhere. He has no business being in any position of leadership.
January 12, 201213 yr Smitherman's takeover of white talk radio continues -- he was a guest for a half hour on Brian Thomas's morning show yesterday, then hosted another half hour himself. Today Thomas said "he agrees with everything Smitherman says". Today, Smitherman will be Cunningham's guest at 1pm to talk about...the streetcar utility costs. Meanwhile, Doc Thompson is extolling the proposed speed limit increase, turning it into an attack on the "slow" streetcar. A caller called him out on what the speed limit increase actually is -- a way to get more gas tax revenue in ODOT's pockets -- and he went ape. 55 and 700 are really getting annoying. They increasing the amounts of gasoline on the fire. Smitherman on both stations seemingly everyday. Luken, Finney. There's no counter balance. There's no other opinions. Fake callers like Nick from Loveland to make the other side seem really stupid. They have really ramped it up over the last month. I've never seen such a pathetic and desperate attempt to stop a public project that was approved twice at the polls
January 12, 201213 yr The ironic thing is that the "700WLW" crowd always despised Smitherman. Now that he's TOAST's puppet they just love him. Hypocrites.
January 12, 201213 yr The photo above is mine. Smitherman lunged after a streetcar supporter and attempted to assault him, and had to be restrained by security. When he saw me taking the photo, he tried to go after me, and one of his supporters tried to physically prevent me from taking the photo. (Luckily, I'm much taller than she was.) Smitherman is a mentally-unstable basketcase, and needs to be put away somewhere. He has no business being in any position of leadership. I guess we need bodyguards at these meetings now? :wtf:
January 12, 201213 yr So just to clarify, the anti-streetcar meeting is scheduled for: Friday, January 27th. 2-5PM In Council Chambers Spread the word!!
January 12, 201213 yr Will this meeting be open to public comment? “All truly great thoughts are conceived while walking.” -Friedrich Nietzsche
January 12, 201213 yr I'm pretty sure, yes. So let's be sure to pack the house because Smitherman plans to do the same.
January 13, 201213 yr Moving ahead on streetcar, Cincinnati issues $15M bond note Business Courier by Dan Monk, Senior Staff Reporter Date: Friday, January 13, 2012, 6:00am EST The city of Cincinnati has issued bond anticipation notes of $15 million for the proposed streetcar project, bringing to nearly $25 million the amount borrowed against the city treasury. http://www.bizjournals.com/cincinnati/print-edition/2012/01/13/moving-ahead-on-streetcar-cincinnati.html
January 13, 201213 yr Author Moving ahead on streetcar, Cincinnati issues $15M bond note Business Courier by Dan Monk, Senior Staff Reporter Date: Friday, January 13, 2012, 6:00am EST The city of Cincinnati has issued bond anticipation notes of $15 million for the proposed streetcar project, bringing to nearly $25 million the amount borrowed against the city treasury. http://www.bizjournals.com/cincinnati/print-edition/2012/01/13/moving-ahead-on-streetcar-cincinnati.html The interest rate the city is paying on the note is 0.1%, you are never going to get a better interest rate than that. Now's the time to build this system.
January 13, 201213 yr These are short term bond anticipation notes-- the city is essentially borrowing from itself if I understand correctly. There will be a final bond issue that will carry a market rate for municipal debt given the city's bond rating. The city is not getting a .1% interest rate on this project.
January 13, 201213 yr In case you forgot what happened last May....which doesn't begin to capture the Smitherman tirade. I have to think Channel 5 has some even better footage somewhere. http://www.wlwt.com/r-video/27862543/detail.html
January 15, 201213 yr Chris Finney will be on 700wlw in about 5 minutes to attack the streetcar. I'll be sure not to miss that. The sooner they can show physical progress on this, the better. It's one thing to try to stop the Streetcar--it's another thing to try to just add costs and delay to the project, to make an expensive project even more expensive.
January 15, 201213 yr Chris Finney will be on 700wlw in about 5 minutes to attack the streetcar. I'll be sure not to miss that. The sooner they can show physical progress on this, the better. It's one thing to try to stop the Streetcar--it's another thing to try to just add costs and delay to the project, to make an expensive project even more expensive. 700wlw bashing of the streetcar/public transportation from their descriptions. The ones without a description take pot shots(No I did not listen to all of them but judging by the people invited on the show there's a very likely chance they take a potshots) I posted the ones with Quinlivan via 'city issues' description to showcase 700's 'fairness' to interviewing someone with differing opinions Doc Thompson Show/Time Slot: 11/22/10 - High Speed Rail 11/27/10 - Tom Luken 12/3/10 - Mary Kuhl vs the streetcar 12/8/10 - Streetcar 'boondoggle' & laying off police 12/13/10 - Berding/COAST issues 12/15/10 - Tom Luken 12/22/10 - Jeff Berding 12/23/10 - Norwood mayor to get outsider view on Cincy Politics 12/24/10 - Chris Monzel When he was on council 12/27/10 - Leslie Ghiz 12/28/10 - Cecil Thomas 12/29/10 - Quinlivan 12/30/10 - Leslie Ghiz and Berding 1/17/11 - Tom Luken 2/10/11 - Tom Luken 2/9/11 - Fight the Streetcar 4/13/11 - Says streetcar is probably dead 5/5/11 - Streetcar 5/13/11 - Daryl Parks Streetcar 5/23/11 - 2 hours of Barry Horstman and walking the streetcar route 6/28/11 - Leslie Ghiz 6/30/11 - Dusty Rhodes 7/5/11 - Darryl Parks Streetcar 7/6/11 - Darryl Parks Amy Murray Council 7/13/11 - Amy Murray 7/25/11 - Guest compares streetcar to others across country 7/27/11 - Chris Smitherman Streetcar petition 7/29/11 - Streetcar 8/1/11 - Leslie Ghiz 8/5/11 - Chris Smitherman streetcar petition 8/10/11 - Streetcar petition 8/15/11 - Leslie Ghiz 8/16/11 - New streetcar signs 10/17/11 - Talks about Streetcar issue and how the wording will confuse voters 10/31/11 - Talks about 'waste of 48 million dollar transit center' 11/1/11 - Talks the issue particularly voting for Issue 48 11/7/11 - Urging people to vote for Issue 2 and Issue 48 11/8/11 - Urging people to vote for Issue 2 and Issue 48 11/9/11 - Election results/whining 11/29/11 - Chris Smitherman 11/30/11 - Talks about Chiquita moving to Charlotte. Digs at streetcar 12/8/11 - Chris Smitherman 12/13/11 - Talks about how roads are falling apart while dogging public transportation 12/15/11 - Talks about LaHood and streetcar 12/15/11 - Chris Smitherman 12/16/11 - Talks about new streetcar money 1/3/12 - Talks about streetcar costing more 1/6/12 - Chris Smitherman 1/11/12 - City Council/Signs/Streetcar 1/12/12 - Streetcar 1/13/12 - Chris Finney Bill Cunningham 6/7/10 - Chris Bortz conflict of interest 7/9/10 - Leslie Ghiz streetcar 7/27/10 - Eric Deters streetcars 9/23/10 - Leslie Ghiz 11/1/10 - Leslie Ghiz 11/12/10 - Streetcar 11/15/10 - Leslie Ghiz streetcar 11/23/10 - Leslie Ghiz 11/30/10 - Dusty Rhodes 11/30/10 - Leslie Ghiz 12/2/10 - Tom Luken 12/21/10 - Leslie Ghiz 12/22/10 - Laure Quinlivan 12/24/10 - Eric Deters - Council all the way to 12/31/10 12/27/10 - Eric Deters 12/28/10 - Eric Deters 12/29/10 - Eric Deters 12/30/10 - Eric Deters 12/31/10 - Eric Deters 2/24/11 - Chris Smitherman 2/25/11 - Leslie Ghiz 3/7/11 - Leslie Ghiz 3/10/11 - Chris Smitherman streetcar 3/18/11 - Jeff Berding 3/29/11 - Laure Quinlivan 3/30/11 - Leslie Ghiz 4/1/11 - Amy Murray 4/8/11 - Wayne Lippert 4/12/11 - Eric Deters streetcar 4/20/11 - Chris Smitherman 5/9/11 - Chris Smitherman 5/12/11 - State Rep Danny Bupt and Leslie Ghiz Streetcar 5/17/11 - Chris Finney 5/24/11 - Leslie Ghiz streetcar 6/1/11 - Leslie Ghiz and Chris Smitherman streetcars 6/9/11 - Chris Smitherman 6/21/11 - Leslie Ghiz 6/30/11 - Leslie Ghiz 7/6/11 - Leslie Ghiz streetcar 7/8/11 - Chris Smitherman 7/21/11 - Caroll with Leslie Ghiz 7/25/11 - Chris Smitherman and Tom Luken 7/27/11 - Leslie Ghiz 8/2/11 - Leslie Ghiz and Chris Smitherman streetcar 8/8/11 - Chris Smitherman streetcar 8/15/11 - Chris Finney streetcar 8/16/11 - Quinlivan/streetcar signs 8/18/11 - Dan Carrol ' dumb streetcars' 10/17/11 - City Issues 11/7/11 - City Issues Election Coverage hours 1 and 2 Election Aftermath - Chris Smitherman 11/30/11 - Leslie Ghiz 12/6/11 - Chris Smitherman 12/14/11 - Leslie Ghiz 12/15/11 - City Budget PG 12/16/11 - City Budget 12/20/11 - Chris Smitherman 1/11/12 - Quinlivan 1/17/12 - Dan Monk Business Courier/Cost of the Streetcar Sloan and Tracy 1/3/10 - Leslie Ghiz -Gap in podcasts- 1/19/11 - Quinlivan 2/22/11 Amy Murray 3/10/11 - Laure Quinlivan streetcar 3/17/11 - Leslie Ghiz 4/12/11 - Streetcar near dead 8/1/11 - Dan Carroll with Kathy Harrell Union Pres of FOP 11/8/11 - Election coverage 11/9/11 - Chris Seelbach and Leslie Ghiz 11/21/11 - Dusty Rhodes 12/17/11 - National underground museum/streetcar 12/28/11 - Leslie Ghiz Marc Amazon 1/13/11 - Amy Murray 1/14/11 - Jeff Berding 1/19/11 - Leslie Ghiz 1/27/11 - Leslie Ghiz 2/8/11 - Amy Murray 2/17/11 - Streetcar 2/16/11 - Quinlivan 3/16/11 - Amy Murray - Streetcars 3/21/11 - Jeff Berding 3/22/11 - Chris Smitherman - streetcars 3/23/11 - Wayne Lippert 3/24/11 - Chris Smitherman 4/14/11 - Chris Finney - Streetcar 4/21/11 - Amy Murray - streetcar 5/4/11 - Chris Smitherman and Leslie Ghiz- Streetcar 5/5/11 - Chris Bortz - Streetcar 5/12/11 - Charlie Winburn streetcar 6/16/11 - Amy Murray 7/20/11 - Quinlivan 8/4/11 - Chris Smitherman 9/5/11 - Dan Carroll Chris FInney streetcar 10/17/11 - Tom Luken Streetcar 10/25/11 - Jason Gloyd COAST 11/8/11 - Election coverage 11/18/11 - Chris Finney 11/22/11 - Dusty Rhodes 12/15/11 - Jeff Berding streetcar 12/26/11 - Chris Smitherman on the mic Dan Carrol show Doesn't have active podcasts yet(Many many smitherman/coast/streetcar shows though) 1/15/11 - Chris Finney - Streetcar Darryl Parks -sporadic podcasts 1/30/10 - 3c train stupid 5/22/10 - Streetcars 7/10/10 - Streetcar coming even though you don't want it 11/6/10 - Streetcar instead of cops 1/8/11 - Chris Finney - streetcar 6/4/11 - inclines 11/7/11 - ballot issues 10/31/11 - transit center Chris Smitherman Guest Host 1/15/11 - 2 hour segment on streetcars This streetcar has gone up against an unprecedented amount of PR abuse, mis-statements, lies and opponents unchallenged from the largest radio outlet in the region(Also to the Enquirer to some extent) and it has survived thus far. Simply incredible
January 15, 201213 yr ...and Chris Smitherman is on the bumpers now as a regular host. I doubt he's being paid. His 2-hour show today will be dedicated to the streetcar: 5-7P CHRIS SMITHERMAN Chris gets into the streetcar to nowhere and how this is going to impact you in the burbs at 5:06 http://www.700wlw.com/pages/programming.html#ixzz1jYppAwQS
January 15, 201213 yr Even with their media allies TOAST couldn't defeat the Streetcar at the ballot box. Now that the election is over the Enquirer has dropped the streetcar issue like it was a hot potato. I don't understand why WLW is still pimping the anti-streetcar crowd so hard, I mean they lost and we won. The issue is settled.
January 15, 201213 yr Even with their media allies TOAST couldn't defeat the Streetcar at the ballot box. Now that the election is over the Enquirer has dropped the streetcar issue like it was a hot potato. I don't understand why WLW is still pimping the anti-streetcar crowd so hard, I mean they lost and we won. The issue is settled. They are attempting to drum up support for their cause in the suburbs by saying the suburbs will be forced to pay for utilities... Isn't there some kind of conflict of interest or something that prevents Smitherman from pushing his agenda through a media outlet show while on Council?
January 15, 201213 yr ^ I understand that, but too what end? Yet another ballot issue?? One that the suburbanites get to vote on? Or is WLW just trying to pimp their ratings during an otherwise slow local news season (ie, post election)?
January 16, 201213 yr ^ I understand that, but too what end? Yet another ballot issue?? One that the suburbanites get to vote on? Or is WLW just trying to pimp their ratings during an otherwise slow local news season (ie, post election)? My opinion is just that its a hail mary in terms of stopping the project and its actually a ploy to pimp their ratings... By the way, Mark Miller is going absolutely ape on twitter so I assume construction is going to start soon. If anyone wants to see an actual nervous breakdown as it happens, check out COAST's twitter feed the last few days
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