I would hope that a Walnut Hills streetcar would travel north on Woodburn through that business district, and possibly continue north all the way to Xavier. 

 

I agree, there is tremendous opportunity on Woodburn.

I would hope that a Walnut Hills streetcar would travel north on Woodburn through that business district, and possibly continue north all the way to Xavier. 

 

 

Or at least travel as far east as Peeble's Corner.  There's little point in turning around at I-71.

It looks like running the I-75 light rail line in the subway is still on the boards.

That woudl be great. 

Some renderings of the rolling stock- http://cincinnati-oh.gov/city/downloads/city_pdf45422.pdf

Those look cool.

These things look great. So sleek and futuristic. I actually like that they differ in appearance from Portland.

 

Was there any word on the Duke situation last night?

I love the color scheme, and I hope they resist the temptation to cover the vehicles with advertising once they're up and running.

 

In fact, I'd love to see this same color scheme extended to Metro busses, as the whole green/blue splat-within-a-circle concept seems incredibly over-designed. If you look at the major transit systems of the world, their color schemes are almost always clean, simple, and iconic (red buses in London, white with a simple blue stripe in NYC, orange in Los Angeles, teal in Paris, etc.) rather than a visual mess like SORTA's current livery. The simple red/white scheme with black accents also serves as a nice but subtle homage to both the Reds and the Bearcats.

Was there any word on the Duke situation last night?

 

Nothing was mentioned.

I love the color scheme, and I hope they resist the temptation to cover the vehicles with advertising once they're up and running.

 

In fact, I'd love to see this same color scheme extended to Metro busses, as the whole green/blue splat-within-a-circle concept seems incredibly over-designed. If you look at the major transit systems of the world, their color schemes are almost always clean, simple, and iconic (red buses in London, white with a simple blue stripe in NYC, orange in Los Angeles, teal in Paris, etc.) rather than a visual mess like SORTA's current livery. The simple red/white scheme with black accents also serves as a nice but subtle homage to both the Reds and the Bearcats.

 

I don't mind Metro's current design, if anything I think it looks quite nice. However, I wish they would have a uniformed paint scheme. A lot of their busses are still donning that old Primary white with the red and blue stripe through the "M."

 

If the streetcar line went with the same color vehicles and they were Red and White like seen above, I'd be totally ok with that - especially if it was called the "Red Line."

The Enquirer has a poll on which streetcar design do you prefer? Cinti's wining followed by Tampa (really?) then Portland and NOLA.

 

http://vovici.com/wsb.dll/s/5953g4f401

Another stupid poll by the Enquirer.

 

Why would we be comparing traditional or immitation traditional streetcars, which are not low-platform, to modern streetcars?  They are fundamentally different vehicles, like comparing an old steam engine (or a modern-day sort-of replica of a steam engine for an amusement park) to a new diesel locomotive.

 

^Because they say "we want to know what you think," when really no newspaper cares what someone on Twitter or their comment section "thinks," but people will come back and back and back to check the results and vote. Each page view will be more hits for their Miami University or Furniture Fare ads.

Another stupid poll by the Enquirer.

 

Why would we be comparing traditional or immitation traditional streetcars, which are not low-platform, to modern streetcars?  They are fundamentally different vehicles, like comparing an old steam engine (or a modern-day sort-of replica of a steam engine for an amusement park) to a new diesel locomotive.

 

 

No one knows the difference.  You're asking too much. 

^Because they say "we want to know what you think," when really no newspaper cares what someone on Twitter or their comment section "thinks," but people will come back and back and back to check the results and vote. Each page view will be more hits for their Miami University or Furniture Fare ads.

 

BINGO!

I like the car selection. Four doors on each side (two of which are double). 100% low floor. High capacity. Can climb. Nice aesthetic.

100% low floor is a big deal.  The one flaw with the Skoda cars in Portland is that the front door doesn't get used very much because of the steps.  The "main" part of those cars is definitely the center low-floor section.

The Enquirer has a poll on which streetcar design do you prefer? Cinti's wining followed by Tampa (really?) then Portland and NOLA.

 

http://vovici.com/wsb.dll/s/5953g4f401

 

Look at the background on the Cincinnati photo. The Cincinnati skyline is reversed!

No wonder I have so much trouble taking renderings seriously.

Look at the background on the Cincinnati photo. The Cincinnati skyline is reversed!

No wonder I have so much trouble taking renderings seriously.

 

It's not a rendering by any organization seeking to depict what it is planning. It is a backdrop provided by the sometimes lazy and careless media which desperately wants us to take them as seriously as they do.

I love the color scheme, and I hope they resist the temptation to cover the vehicles with advertising once they're up and running.

 

In fact, I'd love to see this same color scheme extended to Metro busses, as the whole green/blue splat-within-a-circle concept seems incredibly over-designed. If you look at the major transit systems of the world, their color schemes are almost always clean, simple, and iconic (red buses in London, white with a simple blue stripe in NYC, orange in Los Angeles, teal in Paris, etc.) rather than a visual mess like SORTA's current livery. The simple red/white scheme with black accents also serves as a nice but subtle homage to both the Reds and the Bearcats.

 

I agree with this.  Keep it simple and consistent.  Not crazy about the bearcat/reds theme, but it would be better than Metro's current theme.

^Because they say "we want to know what you think," when really no newspaper cares what someone on Twitter or their comment section "thinks," but people will come back and back and back to check the results and vote. Each page view will be more hits for their Miami University or Furniture Fare ads.

 

BINGO!

 

Thank you! Ironically, tomorrow I decide If I'm still pursuing the journalism part of my degree.

 

And 8th and State - since that photo is backwards it is only reasonable to assume they are lying about how the cars will look as well.

And 8th and State - since that photo is backwards it is only reasonable to assume they are lying about how the cars will look as well.

kinda looks like it's going east/west, too

Here are some of the CAF streetcars in action in Seville Spain.  There its called the MetroCentro:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

^The cyclists in the first clip seem to be having a lot of trouble with the tracks.

The rampant obesity is alarming, too.

To bring back an old topic, I was in Toronto two weeks ago and got a few pictures of utility lines directly between or adjacent to tracks:

 

 

 

 

 

 

And finally, a utility crew working directly next to operating streetcar tracks... not 8 feet away:

 

Today's Enquirer had a nice headline:

It appears someone may have tampered with the Enquirer's poll:

 

 

Compare the vote total above (13,064) to the vote total below (489) both polls were on the same website on the same day.

 

Hah! 10,000 people voting for Toronto? The Enquirer probably rarely has that many people take their polls...

It appears someone may have tampered with the Enquirer's poll:

 

 

No question. There were zero votes for Toronto yesterday when I voted! Meanwhile more than 60 percent liked Cincinnati's better.

The poll is not limited to one vote per one computer like most other online polls so a person could theoretically sit their all day (maybe at a public library) and continuously click for Toronto. I can only think of a handful of people who really have the time to do such a thing...

The poll is not limited to one vote per one computer like most other online polls so a person could theoretically sit their all day (maybe at a public library) and continuously click for Toronto. I can only think of a handful of people who really have the time to do such a thing...

 

And who is emotionally unstable enough to even want to try.

The poll is not limited to one vote per one computer like most other online polls so a person could theoretically sit their all day (maybe at a public library) and continuously click for Toronto. I can only think of a handful of people who really have the time to do such a thing...

 

And who is emotionally unstable enough to even want to try.

 

Brace yourself for some serious run on sentences.  I apologize beforehand:

 

 

 

Surely you guys aren't suggesting someone from a right wing fringe group organization devoted solely to stopping a project not even in their city would stoop to such odd levels...There's no way I'd believe anyone who told me a certain portly individual from this very same organization would stoop to such unusual levels in a hell bent personal vendetta against a public infrastructure project consuming his life that was voted on twice by fake voting thousands times with his feminine arthritis crippled hands destroyed from years of  tweeting ridiculous and childish insults.  I mean, get real guys.

 

What's next?  You are going to suggest a ludicrous story about how he signs in with many screen names on this very forum to harass other forum members both privately and publicly?  Are you going to suggest that he'll say the streetcar is worse than 9/11 or that only 'terrorists love streetcars'? 

 

What a ridiculous notion

The poll is not limited to one vote per one computer like most other online polls so a person could theoretically sit their all day (maybe at a public library) and continuously click for Toronto. I can only think of a handful of people who really have the time to do such a thing...

 

And who is emotionally unstable enough to even want to try.

 

Brace yourself for some serious run on sentences.  I apologize beforehand:

 

 

 

Surely you guys aren't suggesting someone from a right wing fringe group organization devoted solely to stopping a project not even in their city would stoop to such odd levels...There's no way I'd believe anyone who told me a certain portly individual from this very same organization would stoop to such unusual levels in a hell bent personal vendetta against a public infrastructure project consuming his life that was voted on twice by fake voting thousands times with his feminine arthritis crippled hands destroyed from years of  tweeting ridiculous and childish insults.  I mean, get real guys.

 

What's next?  You are going to suggest a ludicrous story about how he signs in with many screen names on this very forum to harass other forum members both privately and publicly?  Are you going to suggest that he'll say the streetcar is worse than 9/11 or that only 'terrorists love streetcars'? 

 

What a ridiculous notion

 

Do I sense sarcasm? BTW, if this poll was so messed up, why didn't someone at that bastion of impartial journalism, The Enquirer, pick it up?

Digging the streetcar choice. I'm concern Duke workers won't be able to figure out which end is the front so I'm sure utility costs just went up 1 billion dollars.

I like this opening line the best:

 

"We now have a general idea of what it will will look like and one thing is clear: this is not your grandparents' streetcar"

 

http://www.local12.com/news/local/story/Cincinnati-Streetcar-Design-Chosen/EsZfxbk_E0WvKiBfiq3FwQ.cspx

Guys, it's incredibly easy to set up a macro and continuously vote in online polls. Even ones for which there is "one vote per computer" since you can just turn off cookies in a browser.

I would hope that a Walnut Hills streetcar would travel north on Woodburn through that business district, and possibly continue north all the way to Xavier. 

 

 

I've proposed this to the Mayor, hopefully he feels it's a good strategy as well.

Guys, it's incredibly easy to set up a macro and continuously vote in online polls. Even ones for which there is "one vote per computer" since you can just turn off cookies in a browser.

 

I'm surprised that they're smart enough to figure that out.

>"We now have a general idea of what it will will look like and one thing is clear: this is not your grandparents' streetcar"

 

Welcome to 5 years ago, Channel 12. 

 

 

 

>I've proposed this to the Mayor, hopefully he feels it's a good strategy as well.

 

The decline of Walnut Hills began when Columbia Parkway and Torrence Parkway opened, allowing everyone from Hyde Park and Oakley to bypass the Woodburn and Peeble's Corner business districts.  Then I-71 was built without a full interchange, and one that could only be easily accessed from the west.  People fumble around looking for "root causes" for decline and transportation almost always reason #1 or #2. 

 

 

These poll results just keep getting stranger. Over the past three hours, here's the voting breakdown

 

9:30 am/12:30pm/Change

 

Cinti

714/892/+178

 

Tampa

724/2223/+1494

 

NOLA

688/1756/+1068

 

Toronto

10,824/11,041/+217

 

Portland

114/136/+22

 

^I'm sure they think they're masking their tampering by now shifting their voting to New Orleans and Tampa.  But you can clearly tell that someone is rigging the votes, since thousands have gone to every project except Cincinnati's, and of course Portland's, which was the model for Cincinnati's.  What a joke.  Do these guys really think this online poll carries any weight?

If you guys care, then download a macro extension for your web browser, disable cookies, and have at it. If you spent the time you've spent complaining or transcribing vote counts doing that, Cincy's design woulld have over 9000 times the number of votes that Toronto or wherever has.

 

e.g. https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/imacros-for-firefox/

If you guys care, then download a macro extension for your web browser, disable cookies, and have at it. If you spent the time you've spent complaining or transcribing vote counts doing that, Cincy's design woulld have over 9000 times the number of votes that Toronto or wherever has.

 

e.g. https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/imacros-for-firefox/

 

There's no point in cheating.

 

It's just interesting to watch the logic behind the rigged voting. Have Toronto win because it's the least charming, followed by Tampa and NOLA in a tie because they are both "Trollies" and not voting at all for Portland ever because Portland is terrible.

Guys, it's incredibly easy to set up a macro and continuously vote in online polls. Even ones for which there is "one vote per computer" since you can just turn off cookies in a browser.

 

From CityBeat back in Feb:

 

FRIDAY FEB. 17

 

Contrary to what The Coalition Opposed to Additional Spending and Taxes told everyone, the skies didn’t part and start raining blood, fire and sulfur down on the Cincinnati leaders who took part in the ceremonial groundbreaking for the Cincinnati streetcar today. Instead of waiting a decade or so before being able to gauge the effects the streetcar transit system will have on the Queen City, COAST leaders continue to trash the plan and vaguely imply that Cincinnatians will be less safe because of it. Since it seems too late to stop the streetcar system from being constructed, COAST has decided to focus its efforts elsewhere. By advising their members to create as many fake Facebook accounts as possible, they can ensure that any comments section of an article on Cincinnati.com will be littered with foreboding insights about how everyone who goes downtown on the streetcar will die of crack or bullets.

 

http://www.citybeat.com/cincinnati/article-24971-feb_16_21_worst_week_ever_.html

 

This is a textbook example of what Mark Miller does on a day to day basis

I think the poll is actually a step forward as far as the Enquirer's coverage.  Instead of asking whether the streetcar should go forward, they are now asking what people think of the vehicles.  I'll take it.

Guys, it's incredibly easy to set up a macro and continuously vote in online polls. Even ones for which there is "one vote per computer" since you can just turn off cookies in a browser.

 

From CityBeat back in Feb:

 

FRIDAY FEB. 17

 

Contrary to what The Coalition Opposed to Additional Spending and Taxes told everyone, the skies didn’t part and start raining blood, fire and sulfur down on the Cincinnati leaders who took part in the ceremonial groundbreaking for the Cincinnati streetcar today. Instead of waiting a decade or so before being able to gauge the effects the streetcar transit system will have on the Queen City, COAST leaders continue to trash the plan and vaguely imply that Cincinnatians will be less safe because of it. Since it seems too late to stop the streetcar system from being constructed, COAST has decided to focus its efforts elsewhere. By advising their members to create as many fake Facebook accounts as possible, they can ensure that any comments section of an article on Cincinnati.com will be littered with foreboding insights about how everyone who goes downtown on the streetcar will die of crack or bullets.

 

http://www.citybeat.com/cincinnati/article-24971-feb_16_21_worst_week_ever_.html

 

This is a textbook example of what Mark Miller does on a day to day basis

 

 

At one point, I found several fake Facebook profiles be searching for email addresses such as [email protected], [email protected], [email protected], etc. Many of them have either been deleted, or COAST got smart enough to mark their email addresses as visible to friends only.

So what happens if we order the cars, and the situation with Duke doesn't get resolved, or the money from the sale of the Blue Ash airport can't be used.  Then what?

^Then the city would make the bond 75 million instead of 65 million.

There's no point in cheating.

 

That hasn't stopped someone, judging by the latest results.