I'm hoping for a TON of negative press today concerning yesterday's vote. Council needs to be shown how bone-headed this move was, and how the only people celebrating are COAST.

I wouldn't expect anything locally. here's the Columbus Dispatch take (complete with rail puns)

http://www.dispatch.com/content/stories/local/2013/12/05/council-stops-spending-on-cincinnati-streetcar.html

It's unfair to have asked Mallory to taken more of a lead with this project than he did.  There's a lot more going on in a city than just one project like this.  The problem is that there needed to be some other leader of the project with Mallory as the #2 guy.  I don't know who that would have been, but that's a big lesson for next time.

 

Sorry, can't agree on this one.  If this is your signature issue, your legacy, you better be out there selling it.  Particularly if there is blowback, if it is perceived as a risk.  Particularly if it has the least amount of support in your primary constituency.

 

Mallory let Smitherman define this issue in the African-American community.  Mallory knew Jostin had a subcontract for years; this is coming out as a problem now?  How was this not promoted as an Obama admin priority to the African-American community?  How weren't the Banks project and the Streetcar not at the forefront of inclusion?  It's just been a complete sh-tshow.

I'm hoping for a TON of negative press today concerning yesterday's vote. Council needs to be shown how bone-headed this move was, and how the only people celebrating are COAST.

I wouldn't expect anything locally. here's the Columbus Dispatch take (complete with rail puns)

http://www.dispatch.com/content/stories/local/2013/12/05/council-stops-spending-on-cincinnati-streetcar.html

 

Reporting on the streetcar debacle, now with way less myopia.

I'm reading a lot of unproductive Monday morning quarterbacking on this page from a lot of members. If you're going to continue to fight then figure out a plan and start acting on it. A pause doesn't offer a lot of hope but it offers something. If Mallory didn't sell it then, you need to sell it now and sell it quickly. It sounded like there was potential wavering on the council, public sentiment needs to support the streetcar to save it.

I'm hoping for a TON of negative press today concerning yesterday's vote. Council needs to be shown how bone-headed this move was, and how the only people celebrating are COAST.

I wouldn't expect anything locally. here's the Columbus Dispatch take (complete with rail puns)

http://www.dispatch.com/content/stories/local/2013/12/05/council-stops-spending-on-cincinnati-streetcar.html

 

Reporting on the streetcar debacle, now with way less myopia.

 

Dispatch giving Cincinnati a spanking, really. Perhaps if the Enquirer invested in the city as much as the Dispatch has here (real estate projects, hockey team) they wouldn't have been against the streetcar for so long.

I'm reading a lot of unproductive Monday morning quarterbacking on this page from a lot of members. If you're going to continue to fight then figure out a plan and start acting on it. A pause doesn't offer a lot of hope but it offers something. If Mallory didn't sell it then, you need to sell it now and sell it quickly. It sounded like there was potential wavering on the council, public sentiment needs to support the streetcar to save it.

 

The majority of citizens who are paying attention understand that it's wasteful to stop the project at this point. Even people that voted for Cranley (and newspapers that endorsed him) are saying that it shouldn't be stopped. The question is, will council pay attention? Or have the been paid off by wealthy donors who want it dead at all costs?

I just sent this to Cindi Andrews at Enquirer - hopefully she asks this in some form as I cannot get to City Hall during the day:

 

In the Streetcar debate I am trying to understand why Cranley and the detractors are solely making their decision on whether or not the cost is more to cancel than to complete.  This is flawed because they are completely ignoring any ROI, which Cranley clearly knows there will be - he even campaigned against Qualls by saying she was selling homes/condos that were increasing in value due to being on the Streetcar route. This example of return is the tip of the iceberg.  Projected ROI is 2.7 and even if the ROI were 0.27 it would be enough to make the project worthwhile.

 

The question I want to ask is not why they are considering canceling the project, but why are they so determined to throw away approximately $115 million?  And why would they not want to spend an additional $15 - $20 million to get back $359 million ($133 million * 2.7)?

 

 

They don't want "streetcar people" moving in. They want a blue-collar West Side, an old money East Side and people on public assistance in the middle. They don't like educated people, non-DINOs, hipsters, musicians, artists ect. in "their" city.

 

 

Absolutely.  People aren't going to like what I'm about to say, but much of the opposition to the streetcar lies in Mallory's homosexuality.  Because Mallory became the face of the project, streetcars and OTR's revival was intrinsically tied with his mysterious personal life.  Bullies on talk radio had a field day with Mallory before his wild pitch and before the streetcar.  They started getting upset when the city started turing around under the tutelage of someone they would have beaten up back in high school.  They hated that he was thin, well-spoken, and that he knew that his mere existence made them uncomfortable.  He had powers over them beyond those conferred by the elected office he held.  They knew that he could make them nervous and disarm them in front of their wife. 

 

The imminent death of the streetcar has everything to do with the emotion the public was coerced into feeling about its figurehead and the areas where it was being built.  If David Pepper had been elected in 2005 and had decided to go ahead with the streetcar, it would be here.  That's no slight against Mallory -- I admired his leadership style and we are all indebted to him for going to bat on this -- but the fact is because Mallory was perceived as a cultural threat, the streetcar was a cultural threat. 

 

COAST, Smitherman, and Cranley sensed this emotion and used it to get elected.  Now they're solidifying their place in their base's emotions by destroying any physical or cultural vestige of Mallory's intimidating persona. 

 

 

 

 

 

I wasn't going to comment on your blog today, since I know you are all unhappy with today's decision, and I know what it can be like to fight hard for something and not have it understood.  I had to comment on the statement on Mallory's sexuality.  There are many in Cinti who are beyond issues like this.  Mallory grew up in Cinit, and he is well known in this city.  Many Mallory voters knew who he was (including this), even though that was not made into a blatant issue.  Look at the election of Seelbach, someone who many people (such as me) voted for even though we do not agree with his position on this issue.  Just like this crowd feels misunderstood, people outside of downtown/OTR have felt left out and excluded from the streetcar project.  Mallory should have been in the same communities that elected him explaining day in/ day out how they were directly impacted by this project, and what it could mean to them, and why they should support the streetcar.  Streetcar supporters should have been reaching out and bringing in the other neighborhoods, because big projects require broad coalitions to get them done.  That was Mallory's main problem.  If I supported this project, I would be reaching out to leaders in the neighborhoods right now, and asking them what is needed for broader support, if it is not too late already.....

 

If you asked me a week ago if I thought that sexual orientation had anything to do with opposition to the streetcar, I would have probably said no.  However, after Jake posted this recording of a fake caller on 700 WLW, I don't think it's a very far fetched claim to say that it definitely had something to do with it.  Listen:

 

 

To me, the reason for disgust isn't so much about this singular project.  As I've said before, I don't live in OTR or Downtown, I don't stand to benefit financially from the streetcar, and it wouldn't help make my day to day life much easier.  The streetcar represented progress and the start of a real transit system.  It marked an opportunity for Cincinnati to finally transcend the status of a small minded, do-nothing city.  It was our best chance at creating a true urban culture and mindset for the city. Now, in just 3 days, it appears all of this progress is lost.

 

It's hard not to feel personally hurt and unwanted in this city after the actions of yesterday.  I have always felt like kind of an 'other' in this city, despite being born and raised here- like this city really isn't meant for people like me.  If you're white, straight, conservative, and have never left Cincinnati, this is probably a great spot. If you are not all of those things, you are made to feel like you don't belong.  Streetcar opponents have tried to co-opt the "we believe in Cincinnati" tagline by saying that they have been here their whole lives,  and have never and would never consider leaving. They have responded to the comments that people will either move away or choose not to move here by saying "good, we don't need or want people like you here." If these losers want to lay claim to the city, and if this is the true/dominant personality of the city, why should I stay and try to change that? I say let them have it, and let the people who desire a city that does more than fill pot holes flee to greener pastures.  I've loved this city from the time I was a little kid. The unmet potential here is what motivated me to study and become an urban planner.  I moved back from f*cking Southern California because I believed in this city, and wanted to be witness to the resurrection of this formerly great metropolis. In spite of this, I feel that the city has turned its back on me and many like me. The message yesterday was very clear: I'm not valued here and this city really isn't for me.

 

Edited the f-bomb. KJP

FWIW, I'm sorry to disagree with many of you, but dare I say the wisdom and effectiveness of labeling the streetcar as a "Progressive" project is questionable?  Yes, in the literal sense it represents progress.  But in a figurative sense the term "Progressive" is cursed by the talk radio listenership mentioned earlier, as well as others.  It doesn't help to expand the numbers of supporters by effectively excluding some people who could otherwise understand and embrace the idea of supporting an investment that's been proven elsewhere to trigger economic development which pays dividends.  The reality today is that the term "Progressive" has a highly partisan connotation which causes some to immediately close their eyes, ears and minds. 

 

Former Transportation Secretary LaHood is a Republican.  Granted, some on The Right these days would simply dismiss him as a RINO.  But not everyone on The Right is an ideologue.  LaHood is the kind of Republican who obviously understands that growth and prosperity are achieved via investment.  He's not the only one.

 

Ryan Messer addressed this in one of his testimonies before City Council, in that he suggested they regard the streetcar the same way a business considers ways to promote growth.

 

Don't get me wrong, I'm well aware of intractable, irrational and partisan opposition to the streetcar.  But we who support it could use more effective salesmanship, and a bigger tent. 

 

It's hard not to feel personally hurt and unwanted in this city after the actions of yesterday.  I have always felt like kind of an 'other' in this city, despite being born and raised here- like this city really isn't meant for people like me.  If you're white, straight, conservative, and have never left Cincinnati, this is probably a great spot. If you are not all of those things, you are made to feel like you don't belong.  Streetcar opponents have tried to co-opt the "we believe in Cincinnati" tagline by saying that they have been here their whole lives,  and have never and would never consider leaving. They have responded to the comments that people will either move away or choose not to move here by saying "good, we don't need or want people like you here." If these losers want to lay claim to the city, and if this is the true/dominant personality of the city, why should I stay and try to change that? I say let them have it, and let the people who desire a city that does more than fill pot holes flee to greener pastures.  I've loved this city from the time I was a little kid. The unmet potential here is what motivated me to study and become an urban planner.  I moved back from f*cking Southern California because I believed in this city, and wanted to be witness to the resurrection of this formerly great metropolis. In spite of this, I feel that the city has turned its back on me and many like me. The message yesterday was very clear: I'm not valued here and this city really isn't for me.

 

I had very similar sentiments 6 years ago.  Also Cincinnati was a factor in my developing an interest in Cities.  Growing up near Dayton and traveling down quite a bit gave me a very positive opinion of the place, I really felt something was different about the place, seeing neighborhoods like Clifton and the area around campus as a kid showed me a taste of vibrant urban environment that I wouldn't have gotten had my parents always stayed up in Dayton the whole time.  This combined with a trip to europe to show me what transit does for cities and how a city can be fully functional really put the interest in Cities into me.

 

Then I moved to Cincy for college, and the place didn't meet expectations, it was a miserable dying town with people who were from the lowest social circles to the highest level of government petty and small minded.  I learned about mentalities like if its not at your parish, Kroger, or high school than it doesn't matter - a mentality I found infuriating and one that made it very hard for me to make friends.  Still the city is beautiful and worth fighting for, but it sure is hell not a place I want to be while I'm a young single professional.  The actions today reinforced that, which is all the more sad given the impossible happened in the last 8 years - genuine progress.  There is enough forward momentum now that things will get better for downtown, but not at the rate it should have been going.

 

I am pretty confident that even after I settle down I will not return to Ohio or nearby, at one point I was considering it if Cincinnati continued to get its act together...

 

Edited the f-bomb, KJP

Only 11 streetcar workers to lose jobs

 

So far only 11 workers have been laid off as many contractors are still doing work (utilities can't stop relocating right now because of temorary connections). Number may grow as delay extends.

FWIW, I'm sorry to disagree with many of you, but dare I say the wisdom and effectiveness of labeling the streetcar as a "Progressive" project is questionable?  Yes, in the literal sense it represents progress.  But in a figurative sense the term "Progressive" is cursed by the talk radio listenership mentioned earlier, as well as others.  It doesn't help to expand the numbers of supporters by effectively excluding some people who could otherwise understand and embrace the idea of supporting an investment that's been proven elsewhere to trigger economic development which pays dividends.  The reality today is that the term "Progressive" has a highly partisan connotation which causes some to immediately close their eyes, ears and minds. 

 

Former Transportation Secretary LaHood is a Republican.  Granted, some on The Right these days would simply dismiss him as a RINO.  But not everyone on The Right is an ideologue.  LaHood is the kind of Republican who obviously understands that growth and prosperity are achieved via investment.  He's not the only one.

 

Ryan Messer addressed this in one of his testimonies before City Council, in that he suggested they regard the streetcar the same way a business considers ways to promote growth.

 

Don't get me wrong, I'm well aware of intractable, irrational and partisan opposition to the streetcar.  But we who support it could use more effective salesmanship, and a bigger tent. 

 

 

I lean strongly libertarian of course, but even I will say that government can do a reasonably good job of building things, because there are obvious objectives and milestones.  It's like the difference between war and "peacekeeping", or Apollo and the directionless space program during this century.  You need to sell it on it's merits, though.

 

As for talk shows, "progressives" are at a disadvantage because they are bound by political correctness and the general idea that their issues are somehow trivialized by any frivolity whatsoever.  To be sure, there are some conservatives like this too.  Earnestness and “sensitivity” make for crappy radio.  The key to Rush’s success is he always remembers what most conservatives and nearly all liberals often seem to forget:  it’s more important to be entertaining than informative if one wants listeners.

 

As for talk shows, "progressives" are at a disadvantage because they are bound by political correctness and the general idea that their issues are somehow trivialized by any frivolity whatsoever.  To be sure, there are some conservatives like this too.  Earnestness and “sensitivity” make for crappy radio.  The key to Rush’s success is he always remembers what most conservatives and nearly all liberals often seem to forget:  it’s more important to be entertaining than informative if one wants listeners.[/color]

 

It's true. What's better TV, Greco-Roman wrestling or WWE? Or how about people watching auto racing just for the crashes? The problem lies in not understanding that pro wrestling is fake, talk radio is fake and that racing doesn't take place just so that you can see someone die.

 

 

That caller is SOOOOO fake. She sounds like Boss Hogg's sister-in-law or something.

^Do you think that something like that would be tolerated on Columbus' number 1 media outlet? 700 is the same station that had billboards of a white man with a sombrero and fake mustache that said "The Big Juan".  Would that be tolerated in Columbus? I just can't believe that this behavior would go unchecked in Columbus or Cleveland. Cincitucky behavior at its best.

Any word on the federal funds?

^ Yeah, all this talk radio, Mark Mallory, conspiracy stuff isn't doing any good right now.  It's not over until it's over, and there's still questions about the federal funds, who's being chosen to do the "independent" analysis, getting more corporate leaders to come out of the woodwork, the Smitherman conflict of interest, recall, petitions, lawsuits, etc.  How about we keep the discussion to those topics?

According to Urbancincy who's quoting business courier, leadership at the following companies have come out in favor of finishing the streetcar:

 

-Procter & Gamble

-Frost Brown Todd

-CBRE

-Otto M. Buding Family Foundation

-Haile/U.S. Bank Foundation

-Greiwe Development Group

-Grandin Properties

-Blue Chip Venture

-Jack Rouse Associates

-Fifth Third Bank

 

http://www.urbancincy.com/2013/12/after-another-day-of-chaos-at-city-hall-council-votes-to-pause-streetcar-project/

^Do you think that something like that would be tolerated on Columbus' number 1 media outlet? 700 is the same station that had billboards of a white man with a sombrero and fake mustache that said "The Big Juan".  Would that be tolerated in Columbus?

 

No. Not boring enough for here. You ever watched our TV news? SOOO boring compared to yours. Our weather is far more violent, yet you guys have 5 dramatic sweeps on Channel 5. Cincinnati news is like Robocop news.

According to Urbancincy who's quoting business courier, leadership at the following companies have come out in favor of finishing the streetcar:

 

-Procter & Gamble

-Frost Brown Todd

-CBRE

-Otto M. Buding Family Foundation

-Haile/U.S. Bank Foundation

-Greiwe Development Group

-Grandin Properties

-Blue Chip Venture

-Jack Rouse Associates

-Fifth Third Bank

 

http://www.urbancincy.com/2013/12/after-another-day-of-chaos-at-city-hall-council-votes-to-pause-streetcar-project/

 

Yeah Cranley, piss those guys off and see how things go for you.

^ Yeah, all this talk radio, Mark Mallory, conspiracy stuff isn't doing any good right now.  It's not over until it's over, and there's still questions about the federal funds, who's being chosen to do the "independent" analysis, getting more corporate leaders to come out of the woodwork, the Smitherman conflict of interest, recall, petitions, lawsuits, etc.  How about we keep the discussion to those topics?

 

My current concern is who will be hired to go over John Deatrick's numbers.  Will this council shop for a consultant who's likely to suggest cancellation?  Will they then try to make the consultant the scapegoat when cancellation costs end up exceeding the estimates?

You guys are forgetting how easy it is to defeat The 16% at the poll booths. We just need to make sure there are things on the ballot that motivate progressive voters.

 

Progressive is not a dirty word in a city that voted 78% or whatever for Obama. That kind of talk is ridiculous. We're trying to appeal to city voters.

 

Regardless, I agree the Monday morning quarterbacking is pointless. It's not over yet! What are our next moves? CO    never gave up after their many, many seemingly irreversible defeats. Not over till it's over.

In case you missed it, Nick Lackey (of 98 Degrees fame) came out in support of the Cincinnati Streetcar on Twitter. This surely pissed off his old bandmate, Justin Jeffre, who was one of the more prominent anti-streetcar voices in the early days.

According to Urbancincy who's quoting business courier, leadership at the following companies have come out in favor of finishing the streetcar:

 

-Procter & Gamble

-Frost Brown Todd

-CBRE

-Otto M. Buding Family Foundation

-Haile/U.S. Bank Foundation

-Greiwe Development Group

-Grandin Properties

-Blue Chip Venture

-Jack Rouse Associates

-Fifth Third Bank

 

http://www.urbancincy.com/2013/12/after-another-day-of-chaos-at-city-hall-council-votes-to-pause-streetcar-project/

The Blue Chip Venture guy probably isn't someone to look to as a supporter, he said the whole thing should be self sustainable. Dunno if he was for a tax district or if he meant fares.

You guys are forgetting how easy it is to defeat The 16% at the poll booths. We just need to make sure there are things on the ballot that motivate progressive voters.

 

Progressive is not a dirty word in a city that voted 78% or whatever for Obama. That kind of talk is ridiculous. We're trying to appeal to city voters.

 

Regardless, I agree the Monday morning quarterbacking is pointless. It's not over yet! What are our next moves? CO    never gave up after their many, many seemingly irreversible defeats. Not over till it's over.

 

78% for Obama is because half the city is black. Cranley/Smitherman have the majority of the black community in their pocket.

According to Urbancincy who's quoting business courier, leadership at the following companies have come out in favor of finishing the streetcar:

 

-Procter & Gamble

-Frost Brown Todd

-CBRE

-Otto M. Buding Family Foundation

-Haile/U.S. Bank Foundation

-Greiwe Development Group

-Grandin Properties

-Blue Chip Venture

-Jack Rouse Associates

-Fifth Third Bank

 

http://www.urbancincy.com/2013/12/after-another-day-of-chaos-at-city-hall-council-votes-to-pause-streetcar-project/

 

Yeah Cranley, piss those guys off and see how things go for you.

This list is good--but, then again, exactly where do powerhouses Kroger and Macy's stand?  (IE, why haven't they been far more outspoken?)

Only 11 streetcar workers to lose jobs

 

So far only 11 workers have been laid off as many contractors are still doing work (utilities can't stop relocating right now because of temorary connections). Number may grow as delay extends.

 

I counted about 30 on the job during my lunch walk. Significantly less than I’m used to seeing. However, rail tie down and welding continues.

 

My concern with the pause is that we now need both Flynn and Mann to agree to restart construction. With only one of them, Cranley can veto.

I didn't think the mayor had the power of veto. In the past Mallory could only prevent things from being voted on or discussed in council.

 

EDIT: You are correct. We need Mann and Flynn to both switch. We need six votes or else Cranley can veto. The only way I see that happening is if cancelling is more expensive than continuing.

78% for Obama is because half the city is black. Cranley/Smitherman have the majority of the black community in their pocket.

 

Blacks usually make up a disproportionately small proportion of voters. But assume they all voted for Obama, and assume they voted at a rate proportionate to their 44.8% of the population. Still a majority of non-black voters voted for Obama. At best (worst?), you have something like 20% of the voting public and 40% of non-blacks who did not vote for him. The voters for which 'progressive' is a dirty term, I conjecture, would be smaller than that.

 

In terms of selling the merits of the streetcar, it would be more fruitful to reach out more to the black community. There is a significant group of core supporters for which the term 'progressive' is a selling point. At this point, though, the streetcar is not what needs to be sold. What needs to be sold is the far more obvious idea that the streetcar should be finished. And the people who need to be convinced of this, at this point, are first and foremost city council (more specifically Mann and Flynn), and secondarily power brokers & business leaders. Voters may become relevant again in the future, but right now they're tertiary at best.

^ Yeah, all this talk radio, Mark Mallory, conspiracy stuff isn't doing any good right now.  It's not over until it's over, and there's still questions about the federal funds, who's being chosen to do the "independent" analysis, getting more corporate leaders to come out of the woodwork, the Smitherman conflict of interest, recall, petitions, lawsuits, etc.  How about we keep the discussion to those topics?

 

My current concern is who will be hired to go over John Deatrick's numbers.  Will this council shop for a consultant who's likely to suggest cancellation?  Will they then try to make the consultant the scapegoat when cancellation costs end up exceeding the estimates?

 

It's Scott stiles. Dohoneys interim city manager

 

I'm sure cranley is already talking to him

 

 

On the "it's not a trolley" front... check out this video of Toronto's old school trolley cars followed by one of their new light rail trams:

 

They will analyze both the first phase and second phase before canceling.  So even though the state took the 50 million from the city for the 2nd phase they will still put that into the numbers.

Not only, like I said before, is it important to remember that The 16% is very beatable in any future election, but we should remember that Quinlivan lost by 900 votes to Murray. That right there is the difference between a pro- and anti- council majority. Slightly better turnout and we wouldn't even be close to where we are right now.

They will analyze both the first phase and second phase before canceling.  So even though the state took the 50 million from the city for the 2nd phase they will still put that into the numbers.

 

So does that mean they aren't even considering building Phase 1a and stopping? That would pretty much be rigging the whole thing, since they appear to be ignoring economics and just looking at accounting.

They will analyze both the first phase and second phase before canceling.  So even though the state took the 50 million from the city for the 2nd phase they will still put that into the numbers.

 

So does that mean they aren't even considering building Phase 1a and stopping? That would pretty much be rigging the whole thing, since they appear to be ignoring economics and just looking at accounting.

 

I don't think they are looking at phase 2.  There are too many unknowns. 

Yeah, wouldn't Phase II be eligible for federal funding again?  So you couldn't possibly hinge the cancel/move forward decision for Phase 1 on the entire accounting of both phases, with no knowledge of the city's actual portion.  That's assuming anyone has any idea of the future costs of Phase II.

 

Though I wouldn't put it past Cranley to attempt to stack the deck like that.

 

Though I wouldn't put it past Cranley to attempt to stack the deck like that.

 

He could come back with his own economic impact study saying the streetcar only makes sense if it includes phase 2 to UC or the zoo, then say it's too expensive. 

 

 

 

The Enquirer's Carl Weiser is keeping up with the Twitterverse - Los Angeles can’t believe what Cincinnati did: Metro, the transit agency for Los Angeles County, has taken note of Cincinnati City Council’s vote to pause the streetcar, calling it “amazing.

 

They tweeted four times on the subject:

 

Metro Los Angeles: Pretty amazing transpo story I'm Cincy: new mayor and council vote 5-4 to stop @CincyStreetcar project that is under construction....

 

Metro Los Angeles: In response, @FTA_DOT freezes $45-million grant for project until Council can make its up mind. Again, some rails are already in the ground!

 

Metro Los Angeles: This is so typically Cincy, btw. At least the @Bengals are doing well!

 

Metro Los Angeles: From the Department of I Can't Type: should have been "story in Cincy" not "story I'm Cincy" and "make up its mind" not "make its up mind."

It will take three weeks for an independent evaluator to come up with the cost to cancel the streetcar project?!! Mr. Dietrick should be allowed to have DAILY results of the study, so that he can evaluate the "merits" of the findings, and possibly indicate areas where additional costs might occur. 

^ Where did you hear 3 weeks?  I thought it was 14 days.

On WLW!  (Three weeks)  Go figure, it's WLW.

Cranleys master plan is to stall and have the feds yank federal funding for the project so it wouldn't surprise me.

 

That said, yesterday Mann said  10-14 days.

 

Also mman made a Facebook post about the Streetcar a couple minutes ago

...and Los Angeles Metro is aggressively tweeting the Streetcar news. They're now actively recruiting people to move from here to Los Angeles by sharing Cincinnati Chili parlors on LA Metro routes. Hilarious.

Cranleys master plan is to stall and have the feds yank federal funding for the project so it wouldn't surprise me.

 

That said, yesterday Mann said  10-14 days.

 

Also mman made a Facebook post about the Streetcar a couple minutes ago

 

Saying what?

...and Los Angeles Metro is aggressively tweeting the Streetcar news. They're now actively recruiting people to move from here to Los Angeles by sharing Cincinnati Chili parlors on LA Metro routes. Hilarious.

 

Which means L.A. isn't scared that their city would be "ruined" if a bunch of Cincinnatians showed up.

^ They just want our companies.

Cranleys master plan is to stall and have the feds yank federal funding for the project so it wouldn't surprise me.

 

That said, yesterday Mann said  10-14 days.

 

Also mman made a Facebook post about the Streetcar a couple minutes ago

 

Saying what?

 

That the costs of going uptown have to be considered.

Cranleys master plan is to stall and have the feds yank federal funding for the project so it wouldn't surprise me.

 

That said, yesterday Mann said  10-14 days.

 

Also mman made a Facebook post about the Streetcar a couple minutes ago

 

Saying what?

 

That the costs of going uptown have to be considered.

 

Why, exactly, is that?

Cranleys master plan is to stall and have the feds yank federal funding for the project so it wouldn't surprise me.

 

That said, yesterday Mann said  10-14 days.

 

Also mman made a Facebook post about the Streetcar a couple minutes ago

 

Saying what?

 

That the costs of going uptown have to be considered.

 

And the benefits of going Uptown.

Cranleys master plan is to stall and have the feds yank federal funding for the project so it wouldn't surprise me.

 

That said, yesterday Mann said  10-14 days.

 

Also mman made a Facebook post about the Streetcar a couple minutes ago

 

Saying what?

 

That the costs of going uptown have to be considered.

 

And the benefits of going Uptown.

 

At this point, whether it is or is not extended to uptown to me is a mute point. The here and now is simply complete the downtown loop or cancel it and incur the loss. That is as far as the discussion needs to go. The downtown loop is under construction. Cancel it and become the laughingstock of the country or not - simple decision.

IMO, Uptown = Bait and Switch.

 

Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong but, while there are plenty of individual Cliftonites who support the streetcar, I'm not aware of resounding institutional support from UC or any of the hospitals.  And they don't have to worry about their advocacy effecting the bottom line or alienating customers to the extent that P&G does, or Macy's, or Fifth Third Bank, etc., etc.

 

John Deatrick testified that he thought a Downtown circulator could succeed on its own.  One step at a time is prudent.  If David Mann is saying Uptown has to be considered in the equation I think we can presume that that's part of Mayor Cranley's strategy to kill the project.  Again, that's just my opinion.