February 21, 201213 yr Looks like COAST is now trying the "Streetcars are Communist" angle COAST @GOCOAST · Open #1-Leningrad #2-Budapest #3-Prague #4-Warsaw #5-Moscow, world's top streetcar cities. Is this REALLY a club we want to join? Umm ... Zurich and Melbourne are the world's top steetcar cities -- a whole lot of capitalism going on there. And the last I heard, Hungary, Czech Republic and Poland are now free-market economies. I guess when you run out of ammunition, you just have to start firing blanks.
February 21, 201213 yr Looks like COAST is now trying the "Streetcars are Communist" angle COAST @GOCOAST · Open #1-Leningrad #2-Budapest #3-Prague #4-Warsaw #5-Moscow, world's top streetcar cities. Is this REALLY a club we want to join? Ummm....I've been to all of those cities except Leningrad Saint Petersburg. YES! I would LOVE to be a part of that club. Besides...Communism is SO 20th Century. If he's trying to keep up with the Tea Party he should be labeling it Socialist. Whatever, COAST... Socialist and Muslim are interchangeable. Socialist, Muslim, Radical, Fascist, anarchist, communist, monarchy, dictatorship, totalitarianism, and liberal are all interchangeable to COAST. Streetcars cause democracies to collapse upon construction
February 21, 201213 yr Chris Finney was just on Cunningham's show predicting that "Mallory" will raise the city earnings tax this fall from 2.1% to 2.5% to pay for the streetcar. Also both agreed that P&G is about to move out of the city, because, according to Cunningham, this project is "tearing out the heart of the city".
February 21, 201213 yr Author Chris Finney was just on Cunningham's show predicting that "Mallory" will raise the city earnings tax this fall from 2.1% to 2.5% to pay for the streetcar. Also both agreed that P&G is about to move out of the city, because, according to Cunningham, this project is "tearing out the heart of the city". That increase would generate about $57,000,000.00 per year.
February 21, 201213 yr Ironically, Tom Luken was Mayor in the early 70's when the earnings tax was increased from 1% to 1.7%, then to 2.0%.
February 21, 201213 yr Chris Finney was just on Cunningham's show predicting that "Mallory" will raise the city earnings tax this fall from 2.1% to 2.5% to pay for the streetcar. Also both agreed that P&G is about to move out of the city, because, according to Cunningham, this project is "tearing out the heart of the city".
February 21, 201213 yr Doc Thompson Show/Time(Now Scott Sloan) Slot: 11/22/10 - High Speed Rail 11/27/10 - Tom Luken 12/3/10 - Mary Kuhl vs the streetcar 12/8/10 - Streetcar 'boondoggle' & laying off police 12/13/10 - Berding/COAST issues 12/15/10 - Tom Luken 12/22/10 - Jeff Berding 12/23/10 - Norwood mayor to get outsider view on Cincy Politics 12/24/10 - Chris Monzel When he was on council 12/27/10 - Leslie Ghiz 12/28/10 - Cecil Thomas 12/29/10 - Quinlivan 12/30/10 - Leslie Ghiz and Berding 1/17/11 - Tom Luken 2/10/11 - Tom Luken 2/9/11 - Fight the Streetcar 4/13/11 - Says streetcar is probably dead 5/5/11 - Streetcar 5/13/11 - Daryl Parks Streetcar 5/23/11 - 2 hours of Barry Horstman and walking the streetcar route 6/28/11 - Leslie Ghiz 6/30/11 - Dusty Rhodes 7/5/11 - Darryl Parks Streetcar 7/6/11 - Darryl Parks Amy Murray Council 7/13/11 - Amy Murray 7/25/11 - Guest compares streetcar to others across country 7/27/11 - Chris Smitherman Streetcar petition 7/29/11 - Streetcar 8/1/11 - Leslie Ghiz 8/5/11 - Chris Smitherman streetcar petition 8/10/11 - Streetcar petition 8/15/11 - Leslie Ghiz 8/16/11 - New streetcar signs 10/17/11 - Talks about Streetcar issue and how the wording will confuse voters 10/31/11 - Talks about 'waste of 48 million dollar transit center' 11/1/11 - Talks the issue particularly voting for Issue 48 11/7/11 - Urging people to vote for Issue 2 and Issue 48 11/8/11 - Urging people to vote for Issue 2 and Issue 48 11/9/11 - Election results/whining 11/29/11 - Chris Smitherman 11/30/11 - Talks about Chiquita moving to Charlotte. Digs at streetcar 12/8/11 - Chris Smitherman 12/13/11 - Talks about how roads are falling apart while dogging public transportation 12/15/11 - Talks about LaHood and streetcar 12/15/11 - Chris Smitherman 12/16/11 - Talks about new streetcar money 1/3/12 - Talks about streetcar costing more 1/6/12 - Chris Smitherman 1/11/12 - City Council/Signs/Streetcar 1/12/12 - Streetcar 1/13/12 - Chris Finney 1/18/12 - Chris Smitherman 1/25/12 - Chris Smitherman promoting Anti-Streetcar meeting 2/9/12 - Duke Energy Spokesperson 2/17/12 - Groundbreaking with Ghiz Bill Cunningham 6/7/10 - Chris Bortz conflict of interest 7/9/10 - Leslie Ghiz streetcar 7/27/10 - Eric Deters streetcars 9/23/10 - Leslie Ghiz 11/1/10 - Leslie Ghiz 11/12/10 - Streetcar 11/15/10 - Leslie Ghiz streetcar 11/23/10 - Leslie Ghiz 11/30/10 - Dusty Rhodes 11/30/10 - Leslie Ghiz 12/2/10 - Tom Luken 12/21/10 - Leslie Ghiz 12/22/10 - Laure Quinlivan 12/24/10 - Eric Deters - Council all the way to 12/31/10 12/27/10 - Eric Deters 12/28/10 - Eric Deters 12/29/10 - Eric Deters 12/30/10 - Eric Deters 12/31/10 - Eric Deters 2/24/11 - Chris Smitherman 2/25/11 - Leslie Ghiz 3/7/11 - Leslie Ghiz 3/10/11 - Chris Smitherman streetcar 3/18/11 - Jeff Berding 3/29/11 - Laure Quinlivan 3/30/11 - Leslie Ghiz 4/1/11 - Amy Murray 4/8/11 - Wayne Lippert 4/12/11 - Eric Deters streetcar 4/20/11 - Chris Smitherman 5/9/11 - Chris Smitherman 5/12/11 - State Rep Danny Bupt and Leslie Ghiz Streetcar 5/17/11 - Chris Finney 5/24/11 - Leslie Ghiz streetcar 6/1/11 - Leslie Ghiz and Chris Smitherman streetcars 6/9/11 - Chris Smitherman 6/21/11 - Leslie Ghiz 6/30/11 - Leslie Ghiz 7/6/11 - Leslie Ghiz streetcar 7/8/11 - Chris Smitherman 7/21/11 - Caroll with Leslie Ghiz 7/25/11 - Chris Smitherman and Tom Luken 7/27/11 - Leslie Ghiz 8/2/11 - Leslie Ghiz and Chris Smitherman streetcar 8/8/11 - Chris Smitherman streetcar 8/15/11 - Chris Finney streetcar 8/16/11 - Quinlivan/streetcar signs 8/18/11 - Dan Carrol ' dumb streetcars' 10/17/11 - City Issues 11/7/11 - City Issues Election Coverage hours 1 and 2 Election Aftermath - Chris Smitherman 11/30/11 - Leslie Ghiz 12/6/11 - Chris Smitherman 12/14/11 - Leslie Ghiz 12/15/11 - City Budget PG 12/16/11 - City Budget 12/20/11 - Chris Smitherman 1/11/12 - Quinlivan 1/17/12 - Cost of streetcar/Dan Monk Business Courier 1/25/12 - Chris Smitherman calls in 1/31/12 - Chris Smitherman 2/6/12 - Leslie Ghiz 2/9/12 - Chris Smitherman 2/17/12 - Groundbreaking Quinlivan 2/21/12 - Streetcars with Finney Sloan and Tracy 1/3/10 - Leslie Ghiz -Gap in podcasts- 1/19/11 - Quinlivan 2/22/11 Amy Murray 3/10/11 - Laure Quinlivan streetcar 3/17/11 - Leslie Ghiz 4/12/11 - Streetcar near dead 8/1/11 - Dan Carroll with Kathy Harrell Union Pres of FOP 11/8/11 - Election coverage 11/9/11 - Chris Seelbach and Leslie Ghiz 11/21/11 - Dusty Rhodes 12/17/11 - National underground museum/streetcar 12/28/11 - Leslie Ghiz Marc Amazon 1/13/11 - Amy Murray 1/14/11 - Jeff Berding 1/19/11 - Leslie Ghiz 1/27/11 - Leslie Ghiz 2/8/11 - Amy Murray 2/17/11 - Streetcar 2/16/11 - Quinlivan 3/16/11 - Amy Murray - Streetcars 3/21/11 - Jeff Berding 3/22/11 - Chris Smitherman - streetcars 3/23/11 - Wayne Lippert 3/24/11 - Chris Smitherman 4/14/11 - Chris Finney - Streetcar 4/21/11 - Amy Murray - streetcar 5/4/11 - Chris Smitherman and Leslie Ghiz- Streetcar 5/5/11 - Chris Bortz - Streetcar 5/12/11 - Charlie Winburn streetcar 6/16/11 - Amy Murray 7/20/11 - Quinlivan 8/4/11 - Chris Smitherman 9/5/11 - Dan Carroll Chris FInney streetcar 10/17/11 - Tom Luken Streetcar 10/25/11 - Jason Gloyd COAST 11/8/11 - Election coverage 11/18/11 - Chris Finney 11/22/11 - Dusty Rhodes 12/15/11 - Jeff Berding streetcar 12/26/11 - Chris Smitherman on the mic 1/26/12 - Chris Smitherman and Charlie Winburn 2/17/12 - Groundbreaking Finney Dan Carrol Weekend show Doesn't have active podcasts yet(Many many smitherman/coast/streetcar shows though) 1/15/11 - Chris Finney - Streetcar 2/12/12 - Briefly touched on streetcar Darryl Parks -sporadic podcasts 1/30/10 - 3c train stupid 5/22/10 - Streetcars 7/10/10 - Streetcar coming even though you don't want it 11/6/10 - Streetcar instead of cops 1/8/11 - Chris Finney - streetcar 6/4/11 - inclines 11/7/11 - ballot issues 10/31/11 - transit center 2/6/12 - Indy/Cincinnati comparisons 2/11/12 - Streetcar 2/18/12 - Streetcar Chris Smitherman Guest Host 1/15/12 - 2 hour segment on streetcars 2/12/12 - 2 hour segment on streetcars ----- 700wlw segments(At least 1 hour) devoted to bashing the streetcar by the numbers as described in their podcast description. This does not include bringing up the project in a negative tone casually that happens seemingly everyday. In fact, These streetcar numbers on 700wlw are estimated very conservatively and are probably much lower than the actual number of venom spewed seemingly daily about this project: 'Doc' Thompson/Scott Sloan segments *13 segments from November 22, 2010 - Dec 30, 2010* *32 segments in 2011* - Includes 24 from July 5, 2011 - Dec 16, 2011 - Includes 11 from November 1, 2011 - Dec 16, 2011 * 9 segments in 2012 ----------------------- Total Numbers for 'Doc' Thompsons show(RIP) # of hours devoted to the streetcar since Nov 22, 2010 *54 Hours (19 from Nov 1, 2011 - Present) * Chris Smitherman appearances - 7 confirmed(Not including drive by call-in detailed summary of podcasts) - Appearances started on 7/27/2011 * Other Anti streetcar related guest appearances talking about the issue(Luken, Finney, Kuhl, Ghiz, Berding, Murray, Monzel, Rhodes etc) - 19 * Pro Streetcar advocate segments invited on to discuss streetcar -2 (Quinlivan and Thomas) *Anti Streetcar Guest segments -26 *Pro Streetcar Guest Segments -2 Bill Cunningham Segments *19 segments from 6/7/2010 - 12/31/2010 (Includes Eric Deters/some Dan Carrol filling in) *39 segments in 2011 (Including 2 Election coverage segments and Excluding his bashing of the project in casual interviews with Seelbach, PG, Quinlivan, and Simpson) *8 segments in 2012 ---------------------- Total Numbers for Bill Cunningham show # of hours devoted to the streetcar since 6/7/2010 - Present *66 *# of Chris Smitherman appearances/call in anti-streetcar segments (Beginning with his first in 2/24/2011) - 16 * # of Leslie Ghiz appearances/call ins always touching on the streetcar project - 22 * # of anti-streetcar related guest appearances/call ins(Smitherman, Ghiz, Murray, Lippert, Luken, Rhodes, Berding, Finney, -46 * # of pro streetcar related guest appearances(Bortz, Quinlivan) - 6 Sloan/Eddie and Tracy *11 segments from 1/19/2011 - 1/26/2012 - All were in the year 2011 ------------ Total Numbers for Sloan/Tracy # of hours devoted to the streetcar since 1/19/2011-1/26/2012 *11 *Anti Streetcar related Guest segments(Ghiz, Murray, Harrell, Rhodes) - 7 *Pro-Streetcar related guest segments (Quinlivan, Seelbach) - 3 ----------------- Mark Amazon show *28 segments in 2011 *Anti Streetcar related Guest segments(Smitherman, Finney, Rhodes, Bortz changing position, Berding, Ghiz, Murray, Gloyd, Winburn) - 22 *Pro Streetcar related guest segments(Quinlivan) -2 2 in 2012 1- Chris Smitherman and Charlie Winburn (1/26/2012) 1- Finney Weekend shows Podcasts aren't updated, many gaps in between, and very few pages to even go on. Information is sporadic and the podcasts are completely unreliable. Here is what we know for sure: *Chris Smitherman has had 6 segments called Smitherman on the Mic *Chris Finney also was invited on Dan Carrolls show on 1/15/2011 to talk about the streetcar. Dan Carroll touched briefly on 2/12/12 *Darryl Parks has brought up the issue 11 known times from 2010-Present (Almost all of his podcasts missing though including a Chris Finney interview) Total numbers of known podcasts: *19 known segments ------------------------- Total 700wlw Streetcar Numbers thus far * 180 Known podcast detailed segments(at least 180 hours) about the streetcar -110 of which had anti-Streetcar guests on including Smitherman on the mic(61.1%) -13 of which had pro-streetcar guests on(7.2%) *# of podcast detailed Chris Smitherman anti streetcar appearances including smitherman on the mic Since 2/10/2011 -34 (18.8%) Smitherman alone has been on more than twice than all the number of appearances from a pro-streetcar guest combined *Again, its important to note that this stats derive from the podcast description from 700wlw about the streetcar. There are probably dozens of more appearances from anti-streetcar guests calling in or discussions on the streetcar that wander off topic*.
February 21, 201213 yr Does anyone know if there will be a stop at 4th and Main? I've seen two versions of the shelter locations and one includes 4th/Main while the other does not. "Someone is sitting in the shade today because someone planted a tree a long time ago." - Warren Buffett
February 21, 201213 yr Does anyone know if there will be a stop at 4th and Main? I've seen two versions of the shelter locations and one includes 4th/Main while the other does not. It doesn't look like it: http://www.cincinnati-oh.gov/noncms/projects/streetcar/streetcar_travel.cfm
February 21, 201213 yr Portland has solved streetcar/utility trouble through cooperation Business Courier by Lucy May Despite the fact that the city of Cincinnati broke ground on its $110 million streetcar project last week, there are still plenty of people locally who wonder if the project is ever going to happen. That’s largely because of the stance Duke Energy Corp. has taken on its gas, electric and chilled water lines that must be moved as part of the project. Duke says those utilities should be at least eight feet away from the streetcar rails and that it will cost at least $18.7 million to move the lines out of the way. And, here’s the most important part, Duke argues that the company’s ratepayers shouldn’t have to cover those costs. The city of Cincinnati, on the other hand, maintains that a three-foot buffer is plenty between the rail lines and the utilities. The city doesn’t have an estimate for how much that would cost, but city officials have budgeted $6 million to move Duke’s utilities and would like the company to help pay some of the costs, too. Cont "It's just fate, as usual, keeping its bargain and screwing us in the fine print..." - John Crichton
February 21, 201213 yr from that article: "We’ve already gotten one very angry call asking why we didn’t quote more people sympathetic to Duke. Believe me, we called lots of people. And we talked to representatives of other utilities, too. It’s just that they didn’t agree with Duke, either." Meanwhile the Fishwarp tells us the biggest benefitter from the federal stimulus money in our area was (surprise) Duke. http://news.cincinnati.com/article/20120221/NEWS/302210018 "The largest single local stimulus spending item was $203 million set aside for Duke Energy’s installation of “smart “meters” in Southwest Ohio. It also made Duke the sixth largest recipient of stimulus money in Ohio and the largest private recipient in the state."
February 21, 201213 yr ^ Would have required a tax increase, and few people are in the mood for that. Also, the potential LRT ridership to the airport was studied extensively early in the past decade -- when there were more than twice as many flights as there are today -- and it was vanishingly small. Ohioans' opposition to tax increases really gets me going. If you told every working Ohioan that it would cost them $27 dollars a year to increase the state's GDP by 40 billion in said year, the ballot measure would still fail. What about LRT from CVG to Tri-County? Do you think having stations at the three largest job centers along that corridor would supply sufficient ridership to justify LRT to the airport, apart from any smaller, more residential-oriented stations that would be on this hypothetical line? My rationale is that the number of people flying will increase tremendously the farther from downtown, and clearly the farther the person is from CVG, the more help they will need getting there.
February 21, 201213 yr Chris Finney was just on Cunningham's show predicting that "Mallory" will raise the city earnings tax this fall from 2.1% to 2.5% to pay for the streetcar. Also both agreed that P&G is about to move out of the city, because, according to Cunningham, this project is "tearing out the heart of the city". That increase would generate about $57,000,000.00 per year. I'd be all for that. With government so broke at all levels, and aversion to raising federal or state taxes, it would be a great opportunity for local governments to take more control over their own destiny. After all, I'd rather Cincinnati raise an extra $57 million per year on its own to pay for its own projects (streetcar, light rail, sidewalks, bike paths, road paving, schools, whatever) rather than having to beg the feds for that same amount while having to satisfy some arbitrary and usually suburban-oriented formula to get it.
February 21, 201213 yr But now, COAST has been able to take control of that conversation, and if the city does change the tax rate, they will scream and holler "See I told you so!"
February 21, 201213 yr Chris Finney was just on Cunningham's show predicting that "Mallory" will raise the city earnings tax this fall from 2.1% to 2.5% to pay for the streetcar. Also both agreed that P&G is about to move out of the city, because, according to Cunningham, this project is "tearing out the heart of the city". Is there ANY indication that (1) an earnings tax increase is in the works (2) that P&G has made ANY noise whatsoever about relocating? I mean, my assumption is "no," and that this is basically an example of "I didn't get my way, therefore the city is going to hell." But P&G leaving would be such a kick in the nuts that I'd like someone to assure me that yes, in fact, Finney has no idea what he's talking about and no "inside" information. EDIT: from what little I know, P&G has two executives on the board of 3CDC, and Bob McDonald is an important player in the Museum/Freedom Center. So it doesn't seem like a company that's exactly hostile to efforts to build up urban areas in Cincinnati. But that's just my own opinion.
February 21, 201213 yr ^ Increase in Earnings tax would require approval by the voters as its in the charter (just google it). Additionally, you need a majority of councilmembers to put it on the ballot in the first place. Last year P&G moved 600 new jobs downtown from Symmes Township. They own their buildings (was mentioned in biz courier two weeks ago) and are one of the most active companies downtown. They also just did a several million dollar expansion of their Winton Hills campus. They are not leaving. That was a bold faced lie on the air in front of thousands of listeners.
February 21, 201213 yr Bill Cunningham 2/17/12 - Groundbreaking Quinlivan I believe it was Quinlivan on 02/16/12 and Mayor Mallory on 02/17/12 Thanks for maintaining the list! "It's just fate, as usual, keeping its bargain and screwing us in the fine print..." - John Crichton
February 21, 201213 yr Ya- I agree, no one would consider approval of a tax increase right now. On a side note, I remember once reading that in the amendment that failed from the 80's to pass the county wide sales tax increase to fund SORTA (city currently funds about 90% of SORTA) it actually stated that the earnings tax would drop since the transit portion (about .15% or something) would disappear.
February 22, 201213 yr Also, both agreed that P&G is about to move out of the city, because, according to Cunningham, this project is "tearing out the heart of the city". Somebody told me that this past summer Cunningham said to Steve Leeper that he hadn't been to fountain square in 5 years. I bet he hasn't been to OTR in over a decade. I remember a blog post posted by 'Gordon Bombay' about an on air challenge by Bill Cunningham to travel to "the heart of over the rhine" at midnight, something Willie obviously thought was too dangerous. http://queencitydiscovery.blogspot.com/2009/04/streetcars-bill-cunningham-and-field.html Also... not gonna lie, it's a little funny to read that Gordon Bombay is apparently quite conservative. I wouldn't have guessed it from reading this forum. haha :)
February 22, 201213 yr ^ I've talked with Bill Cunningham on my downtown block within the last few years. Plus, I was on his show last spring, and afterward he said he'd like to move downtown if his wife would go along with it. He is not an anti-city guy. Barry Horstman is in Zurich right now riding streetcars.
February 22, 201213 yr Bill Cunningham 2/17/12 - Groundbreaking Quinlivan I believe it was Quinlivan on 02/16/12 and Mayor Mallory on 02/17/12 Thanks for maintaining the list! I'll fix it. Thanks!
February 22, 201213 yr Looks like COAST is now trying the "Streetcars are Communist" angle COAST @GOCOAST · Open #1-Leningrad #2-Budapest #3-Prague #4-Warsaw #5-Moscow, world's top streetcar cities. Is this REALLY a club we want to join? Umm ... Zurich and Melbourne are the world's top steetcar cities -- a whole lot of capitalism going on there. And the last I heard, Hungary, Czech Republic and Poland are now free-market economies. I guess when you run out of ammunition, you just have to start firing blanks. Does he often fire anything else?
February 22, 201213 yr ^ I've talked with Bill Cunningham on my downtown block within the last few years. Plus, I was on his show last spring, and afterward he said he'd like to move downtown if his wife would go along with it. He is not an anti-city guy. While I believe he said that, there's no way that he actually meant that.
February 22, 201213 yr (1) an earnings tax increase is in the works (2) that P&G has made ANY noise whatsoever about relocating? No and No. As for the first No, Smitherman reportedly made the rounds on the west side during his council campaign declaring that he would eliminate the city's earnings tax. The crowds no doubt had zero conception of how this city's income is structured, and that the city has fairly low property tax, meaning they have no idea that this arrangement is to the benefit of residents. Meanwhile, New York City has an income tax that ranges between 2.907% and 3.648%. It appears that the top rate is paid on income above $65,000: http://www.tax.ny.gov/pdf/current_forms/it/nyc_tax_table.pdf Aside from the rate, the biggest difference between the Cincinnati earnings tax and the NYC income tax, is that the NYC tax has a personal exemption of $5,500. If Cincinnati were to significantly raise its earnings tax, there would probably be a call to enact a similar measure. Jeffrey Jackyuck had a great point earlier today. Cities are generally at the mercy of the prevailing winds because they have so little money with which to affect their physical character. If they city had a significantly larger capital budget, it could move quickly on any number of projects without having to adhere to federal guidelines to get federal grants. Also, that increased income could be used as a local match for state and federal grants requiring one.
February 22, 201213 yr FYI, almost every city in Northern Kentucky has an earnings tax that's higher than Cincinnati's, yet somehow NKY is always held up by the Cincinnati-haters as some kind of paragon of economic development.
February 22, 201213 yr Right, Covington is 2.5%, yet everyone is convinced that NKY has "lower taxes" than Ohio and Cincinnati. All the tea partiers are convinced that Texas, Tennessee, and other states without personal income taxes somehow are thriftier than the ones that do, and ALL companies want move to places with lower taxes. Alaska is probably the only state with significantly lower taxes than any other, and companies aren't fighting to move there. Speaking of unusual situations, Honolulu is building the first new-start rapid transit system since LA's subway back in the late 1980s. Honolulu is a metro area half the size of Cincinnati, yet is investing $5 billion in a single transit line: http://www.lightrailnow.org/news/n_hon_2010-02a.htm
February 22, 201213 yr Total 700wlw Streetcar Numbers thus far * 180 Known podcast detailed segments(at least 180 hours) about the streetcar -110 of which had anti-Streetcar guests on including Smitherman on the mic(61.1%) -13 of which had pro-streetcar guests on(7.2%) *# of podcast detailed Chris Smitherman anti streetcar appearances including smitherman on the mic Since 2/10/2011 -34 (18.8%) Smitherman alone has been on more than twice than all the number of appearances from a pro-streetcar guest combined *Again, its important to note that this stats derive from the podcast description from 700wlw about the streetcar. There are probably dozens of more appearances from anti-streetcar guests calling in or discussions on the streetcar that wander off topic*. Great research work!!! "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
February 22, 201213 yr ^ I've talked with Bill Cunningham on my downtown block within the last few years. Plus, I was on his show last spring, and afterward he said he'd like to move downtown if his wife would go along with it. He is not an anti-city guy. While I believe he said that, there's no way that he actually meant that. Either that or the belligerent, bloviating A-hole he plays on the radio is mostly just for the ratings...which might be a strong possibility. I heard his discussion with Laure Quinlivan last week - of course, he wasn't fair but he was a little better than I anticipated...plus he was flirting with Laura hardcore IMO. ###### Aside from successfully building and managing phase 1 (major undertaking that it is), what are the plans for later phases?
February 22, 201213 yr Alaska is probably the only state with significantly lower taxes than any other, and companies aren't fighting to move there. Alaska is one of the top receiver states of federal money getting something like $1.80 for every $1 they pay. Ohio gets about $1.01 for every $1 paid.
February 22, 201213 yr Re: Monday's photo of "first dig" for the Cincinnati Streetcar I circulated this photo to rail advocates around the country -- around the world actually -- and now someone from Railway Age has contacted me about using the photo. They want to give credit for it. Who took it, and can they use it?
February 22, 201213 yr ^ I've talked with Bill Cunningham on my downtown block within the last few years. Plus, I was on his show last spring, and afterward he said he'd like to move downtown if his wife would go along with it. He is not an anti-city guy. While I believe he said that, there's no way that he actually meant that. Either that or the belligerent, bloviating A-hole he plays on the radio is mostly just for the ratings...which might be a strong possibility. I heard his discussion with Laure Quinlivan last week - of course, he wasn't fair but he was a little better than I anticipated...plus he was flirting with Laura hardcore IMO. If you listen to Cunningham's segment immediately after talking with the Mayor (02/17/12), he goes on to talk about ridership and that no one is going to drive down from Madeira (and other suburbs), park at Fountain Square and catch "the trolley", have it take forever to get to Findlay Market because there are 18 stops, shop, then take the return trip to Fountain Square and head home. There are actually only 17 stops... But it doesn't matter if there are 6, 12, 18, or 24, there will never be a perfect number for him. He fails to mention that it goes down to the Banks, infers it stops no where near the casino, and believes that it travels up and down Vine St. "It's just fate, as usual, keeping its bargain and screwing us in the fine print..." - John Crichton
February 22, 201213 yr Re: Monday's photo of "first dig" for the Cincinnati Streetcar I circulated this photo to rail advocates around the country -- around the world actually -- and now someone from Railway Age has contacted me about using the photo. They want to give credit for it. Who took it, and can they use it? John, I'll email you a higher resolution version of the one I posted. "It's just fate, as usual, keeping its bargain and screwing us in the fine print..." - John Crichton
February 22, 201213 yr ... no one is going to drive down from Madeira (and other suburbs), park at Fountain Square and catch "the trolley", have it take forever to get to Findlay Market because there are 18 stops, shop, then take the return trip to Fountain Square and head home. It sickens me that people are still using this talking point. They're right, probably no one will do that, but nobody involved with the project expects anyone to do that either. That's not what it's for.
February 22, 201213 yr ^ I've talked with Bill Cunningham on my downtown block within the last few years. Plus, I was on his show last spring, and afterward he said he'd like to move downtown if his wife would go along with it. He is not an anti-city guy. Barry Horstman is in Zurich right now riding streetcars. Bill Cunningham is a sellout. He has long invalidated any off-air opinions he may have that differ from his buffoonish radio personality.
February 22, 201213 yr Eric Deters posted a picture on facebook of him benching 300lbs from the 80's...I sh*t you not
February 22, 201213 yr ^ I've talked with Bill Cunningham on my downtown block within the last few years. Plus, I was on his show last spring, and afterward he said he'd like to move downtown if his wife would go along with it. He is not an anti-city guy. Barry Horstman is in Zurich right now riding streetcars. Bill Cunningham is a sellout. He has long invalidated any off-air opinions he may have that differ from his buffoonish radio personality. People don't know that it's fake. Like children in the old days of pro wrestling.
February 22, 201213 yr Will the streetcar be double track or single track the entire route? Can they save money by having some of it single track and extending it to uptown?
February 22, 201213 yr Author Will the streetcar be double track or single track the entire route? Can they save money by having some of it single track and extending it to uptown? Double track. Not enough. The only place you would even consider single tracking it would be on 12th and that would limit your headtimes.
February 22, 201213 yr No no, it's all single-track in this phase since it's running on one-way streets. The extension to Uptown will be double-track up Vine Street, but in OTR it'll all be single-track.
February 22, 201213 yr Re: Monday's photo of "first dig" for the Cincinnati Streetcar I circulated this photo to rail advocates around the country -- around the world actually -- and now someone from Railway Age has contacted me about using the photo. They want to give credit for it. Who took it, and can they use it? Here's some more pics of the construction going on right now. I decided to walk over there today since its only a block from my place. John, feel free to use these for whatever you like. more to follow...
February 22, 201213 yr A few more, it looks like they are planning on re-using the stone blocks from the street
February 22, 201213 yr http://i1258.photobucket.com/albums/ii529/hatfieldenator/DSC_0282.jpg That's some wonderful architecture! This will be a great backdrop for streetcar photos! "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
February 22, 201213 yr ^Just wait until you see some photos of the same site with Music Hall visible.
February 22, 201213 yr ^Just wait until you see some photos of the same site with Music Hall visible. Agreed, that section of Elm is unbelievable. And when the whole street is finished those buildings will be some of the most coveted in the whole city. That blue house with the beige trim is currently for sale if anyone is looking to buy! Right across the street from the new Washington Park!
February 22, 201213 yr ^Just wait until you see some photos of the same site with Music Hall visible. Agreed, that section of Elm is unbelievable. And when the whole street is finished those buildings will be some of the most coveted in the whole city. That blue house with the beige trim is currently for sale if anyone is looking to buy! Right across the street from the new Washington Park! XUMelanie and I were looking at that building (1215 Elm) years ago, but decided at $300K and somewhere in the $100K range to do fixing up was a bit out of our league. "Someone is sitting in the shade today because someone planted a tree a long time ago." - Warren Buffett
February 22, 201213 yr It's not on-line, but here's the text: Now is The Time For Unity On The Streetcar Just listened to Darryl Parks 9AM hour from Saturday... He started his show off with The Simpson's monorail song, had a couple fake callers, then spent two segments reading/attacking Brad's letter. Followed all that up with Tom Luken who ended the hour with "Don't forget it, it's not going to be built.". "It's just fate, as usual, keeping its bargain and screwing us in the fine print..." - John Crichton
February 22, 201213 yr ^Just wait until you see some photos of the same site with Music Hall visible. Agreed, that section of Elm is unbelievable. And when the whole street is finished those buildings will be some of the most coveted in the whole city. That blue house with the beige trim is currently for sale if anyone is looking to buy! Right across the street from the new Washington Park! I went through the blue building. It obviously needs work (although there are residential apartments on 2d and 3rd floors with tenants) but would be an amazing place to live when everything is up and running. It's only $298K. Moreover, the church on the corner of 12th and Elm is $245K.
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