September 1, 20168 yr If a deep tunnel is built, do the surface property owners need to be paid for property rights? Theoretically, a property owners boundaries extend down to the center of the earth. My understanding is property owners don't have rights even a few feet below their property much less to the center of the earth. Correct me if I'm wrong, but electric, gas, water, sewer, etc... lines beneath your property are property of the utilities. Then there's mineral rights beneath the property which often aren't part of the deed. The common utility lines that connect to your property from the larger feeders are not owned by the utility, they are owned by the homeowner. As in, you break it, you fix it. And you pay to connect also. Like I just paid $3000 to connect to water. This has become painfully obvious in the case of water, where utilities make sure you know that they do not own the lead service line going into your house, just up to your property line.
September 1, 20168 yr Love the new Rhinegeist ad! Also like that the operator in the back makes it looks like he is driving & looking the wrong way as well as the random legs on the left side of the median. Everytime i see a streetcar that is stopped i look for the red tail lights to see if it is going the right way (and equally that I'm not going the wrong way).
September 1, 20168 yr Without looking it up, my gut instinct is that an easement would be needed with each property owner above the tunnel, and they would be able to negotiate reimbursement for that easement. Whenever there's a utility under someone's property, there's an easement for it (or there should be). Under Ohio law, political jurisdictions have the power to do "quick-takes" of property for transportation improvements. So if we needed to go under someone's property, the city would make a claim and rely on a court to determine the fair value, if any, of drilling under someone's property. I doubt the awards would amount to much. In any case, much of the tunnel -- two tunnels actually -- is under streets and Inwood Park, both owned by the City. Plus the west garage of The Christ Hospital, which would have an above-ground station immediately to its north. I don't see TCH objecting too much. This is a non-issue, but I expect COAST and Smitherman to try to make it one.
September 1, 20168 yr I can't wait till Rhinegeist brews the triple ipa (19%) and names it the Connector.
September 1, 20168 yr Grab this off twitter. Ad does look good. But now I do see the two shades of white. Not so good. twitter.com/UrbanCincy
September 1, 20168 yr I'm sorry, the ad itself is cool, but together with the Cincinnati Bell colors I think the whole streetcar looks like a mess now. Everything is clashing and too busy. I want the old streetcar look back with smaller ads. I'm sad the Cincinnati in the middle is gone too. Everything that was clean and classy about it is gone Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
September 1, 20168 yr I'm sure the Rhinegeist ads were designed with the orange color scheme. Probably would have looked better with the original look. Oh well. IMO People need to stop their bellyaching and realize that in 8 days we are going to have a streetcar in Cincinnati. There's always going to be room for improvement, and I'm sure whoever is handling the advertising is going to make everything work better for future ads. The Cincinnati Bell sponsorship came in really late and threw a wrench into everything. Maybe for the next ad Rhinegeist can use their Zen or Truth can designs instead.
September 1, 20168 yr Haha this is pretty funny how all these ads evolved so fast. That said, I think if they covered the streetcar open spots with the white instead of the off white that is there now it would look a lot better.
September 1, 20168 yr So is that it, or are there still more exterior ads coming? It already looks way too busy and borderline trashy.
September 1, 20168 yr Great. Now the streetcars look like junk mail. Next up... "You don't just walk into a bar and mix it up by calling a girl fat" - buildingcincinnati speaking about new forumers
September 1, 20168 yr It really is looking more and more like NASCAR. I'm pretty sure all these ads are temporary stickers that are placed over the normal streetcar. So someday when the city realizes public services don't need to make money, we can just go back to normal ads on the inside of the car like normal public transportation. I'm happy that we have the thing and I'm very excited to start using it, but I'm still allowed to wish it didn't look like a clown car. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
September 1, 20168 yr If it's going to look like NASCAR might as well go all in and embrace it. P&G can plaster a big TIDE across it to complete the look. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
September 1, 20168 yr It really is looking more and more like NASCAR. I'm pretty sure all these ads are temporary stickers that are placed over the normal streetcar. So someday when the city realizes public services don't need to make money, we can just go back to normal ads on the inside of the car like normal public transportation. I'm happy that we have the thing and I'm very excited to start using it, but I'm still allowed to wish it didn't look like a clown car. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk What "normal public transporation" are you talking about that doesn't have exterior ads? Cincinnati has tons of buses that are totally wrapped in ads. Plenty of cities with light and and streetcar systems wrap the entire vehicle in ads.
September 1, 20168 yr ^ The usual bus wrap ads are just for one brand, though, so at least the buses are all the same bearable color palette. The teal/green/blue of Cincinnati Bell is barely tolerable by itself, but now that there's a Rhinegiest rainbow, two different tones of white, etc. and it is starting to look haphazard. Even NASCARs are almost entirely the colors of one primary sponsor.
September 1, 20168 yr It really is looking more and more like NASCAR. I'm pretty sure all these ads are temporary stickers that are placed over the normal streetcar. So someday when the city realizes public services don't need to make money, we can just go back to normal ads on the inside of the car like normal public transportation. I'm happy that we have the thing and I'm very excited to start using it, but I'm still allowed to wish it didn't look like a clown car. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk What "normal public transporation" are you talking about that doesn't have exterior ads? Cincinnati has tons of buses that are totally wrapped in ads. Plenty of cities with light and and streetcar systems wrap the entire vehicle in ads. I may be in the minority, but I'd prefer a 100% wrap vs competing exterior designs. I.e., I don't think the CB wrap looks terrible. I thought it looked bad with the yellow, but in itself, not the worst. But when you have that start clashing with other ads, it starts to look strange. Again, it's whatever. Service starts in 8 days and that's amazing. But branding goes a long way in public perception and I don't want people to turned off from the concept of this as a starter line in any way.
September 1, 20168 yr Maybe Sunny D can start wrapping next! "You don't just walk into a bar and mix it up by calling a girl fat" - buildingcincinnati speaking about new forumers
September 1, 20168 yr My ONLY issue with this is the off-white used with the white. That looks half-a*sed. Does anyone know if that will go away?
September 1, 20168 yr Just want to throw this out there: If a deep tunnel is built, do the surface property owners need to be paid for property rights? Theoretically, a property owners boundaries extend down to the center of the earth. I thought I told you to stay off my lawn! www.cincinnatiideas.com
September 2, 20168 yr My ONLY issue with this is the off-white used with the white. That looks half-a*sed. Does anyone know if that will go away? I think the off-white is the actual paint of the streetcar, and the white is the new Cincinnati Bell applique. Unless the rest of the off-white is going to be covered with decals I don't think it will go away, and I doubt Cincinnati Bell's white is going away as it was just put on. Then again, since it is just a big vinyl sticker it could fade due to UV exposure and look yellow in a year, anyway.
September 2, 20168 yr According to Advertising Vehicles website, the wraps are guaranteed to last for up to five years and not fade. So unless they change the remaining off-white panels there will always be a clash. “All truly great thoughts are conceived while walking.” -Friedrich Nietzsche
September 2, 20168 yr The Enquirer has compiled a list of what it will take for the streetcar to be considered "successful": Signs of success in the first year: [x]The number of riders meets or exceeds projections of 3,000 a day. [x]Rider revenue meets or exceeds projections of $675,000. [x]Rider demographics extend beyond millennials and tourists to include a variety of socioeconomic groups. [x]Development increases north of Liberty Street in Over-the-Rhine. [x]Property values rise enough that private development projects no longer require government “gap” financing to make them feasible. [x]All special events follow Oktoberfest's lead and move out of the Connector’s path. The streetcar should be used to facilitate access to special events, not be treated as an obstacle. Longer-term signs of success: [x]The community supports extending the Connector to Uptown and beyond, and money is found to do so in a fiscally responsible way. [x]Cincinnati becomes a hot spot for businesses to relocate good-paying jobs. [x]The city’s population rises. Streetcar advocates point out that Cincinnati’s population began dropping from its peak of 500,000 in 1950 – the same time the city got rid of its first streetcar. It has since dropped to just under 300,000, and supporters’ pitch is that the Connector will attract auto-averse millennials as well as empty-nesters looking to hang up their car keys.
September 2, 20168 yr My God Dusty Rhodes is such an angry old white dude. No love, coming in or out. http://www.cincinnati.com/story/opinion/contributors/2016/09/01/all-aboard-streetcar-hopes-and-dreams/89737826/
September 2, 20168 yr ^He does love one thing: talking about how he single-handedly brought the Beatles to Cincinnati.
September 2, 20168 yr The Enquirer has compiled a list of what it will take for the streetcar to be considered "successful": Signs of success in the first year: [x]The number of riders meets or exceeds projections of 3,000 a day. [x]Rider revenue meets or exceeds projections of $675,000. [x]Rider demographics extend beyond millennials and tourists to include a variety of socioeconomic groups. [x]Development increases north of Liberty Street in Over-the-Rhine. [x]Property values rise enough that private development projects no longer require government “gap” financing to make them feasible. [x]All special events follow Oktoberfest's lead and move out of the Connector’s path. The streetcar should be used to facilitate access to special events, not be treated as an obstacle. Longer-term signs of success: [x]The community supports extending the Connector to Uptown and beyond, and money is found to do so in a fiscally responsible way. [x]Cincinnati becomes a hot spot for businesses to relocate good-paying jobs. [x]The city’s population rises. Streetcar advocates point out that Cincinnati’s population began dropping from its peak of 500,000 in 1950 – the same time the city got rid of its first streetcar. It has since dropped to just under 300,000, and supporters’ pitch is that the Connector will attract auto-averse millennials as well as empty-nesters looking to hang up their car keys. Travis: Since I am too much of a wimp to post on Enquirer, you should ask SD the following: 1.) Abatements are covered throughout the whole city of Cincinnati, why isn't development happening at this quick of a rate throughout the rest of the city as it is along the streetcar route 2.) Do you believe the streetcar has nothing to do whatsoever with any of the development happening in downtown and OTR along it's route? #singleprism
September 2, 20168 yr It's not worth arguing with him. I usually throw a grenade of truth into the comments section and then run away. No matter how much development happens along the route, the haters will always say that the streetcar had nothing to do with it. You can point out how many businesses have cited the streetcar as their reason for opening or expanding, how many realtors are using the streetcar as a selling point, etc., and it doesn't matter to them. Even the fact that the corporate community has now gotten behind the project, which is something they previously said would need to happen for the project to be successful, doesn't matter to then.
September 2, 20168 yr Signs of success in the first year: [x]Rider demographics extend beyond millennials and tourists to include a variety of socioeconomic groups. Does the Enquirer really think that all "millennials and tourists" are rich, young, white people? Why don't they just say what they really want to say. Everyone knows what they mean by this.
September 2, 20168 yr Signs of success in the first year: [x]Rider demographics extend beyond millennials and tourists to include a variety of socioeconomic groups. Does the Enquirer really think that all "millennials and tourists" are rich, young, white people? Why don't they just say what they really want to say. Everyone knows what they mean by this. The problem with the bus is that it's too many black people. The problem with the streetcar is that it's too many white people.
September 2, 20168 yr Our awesome, hi-tech, bb-8 looking streetcar looks like a mess now. Regardless, I'm glad it's here and ready to blow all projections out of the water. Kudos to all who worked so hard to make it happen. In the end, my biggest criticism with the final form is this- all those ads make it hard to find the damn doors!
September 3, 20168 yr How the streetcar shaped Cincinnati Carol Motsinger, [email protected] 9:48 a.m. EDT September 3, 2016 It's July 4, 1877, and all of Cincinnati is on Lock Street. At least it feels that way. Looks that way, too. There are thousands here, and each and every person wants to be first in line at the gate. And more come by the second. They arrive faster than the streetcar can make its trip up and down Mount Adams, a journey that once took minutes now done in seconds. http://www.cincinnati.com/story/news/2016/09/03/how-streetcar-shaped-cincinnati/89578612/
September 3, 20168 yr What streetcar success will look like Enquirer editorial board 10:52 a.m. EDT September 2, 2016 As Cincinnati prepares to welcome the Cincinnati Bell Connector (the transportation mode formerly known as the streetcar) on Friday, it would be helpful to understand what we as a community expect of it. What would success look like? It isn’t reasonable to expect a 3.6-mile loop through Downtown and Over-the-Rhine to single-handedly transform our city, nor is it reasonable to label it a failure before the cars run their first mile. http://www.cincinnati.com/story/opinion/editorials/2016/09/02/what-streetcar-success-look-like/89719074/
September 3, 20168 yr They arrive faster than the streetcar can make its trip up and down Mount Adams, a journey that once took minutes now done in seconds. Um, the Mt. Adams incline took about 2 minutes.
September 3, 20168 yr Pretty sure these early inclines carried horse-drawn trolleys. Electric streetcars didn't come along until the mid-1880's
September 3, 20168 yr They just carried passengers and wagons at first. http://www.jjakucyk.com/transit/streetcarinfo.html
September 6, 20168 yr Media and photographers got a chance to ride the loop. Enquirer's write up: http://www.cincinnati.com/story/news/politics/2016/09/06/streetcar-rides-today---media/89892594/ Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
September 6, 20168 yr Media and photographers got a chance to ride the loop. Enquirer's write up: http://www.cincinnati.com/story/news/politics/2016/09/06/streetcar-rides-today---media/89892594/ Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk The video starts with 3 minutes of John Yung chatting with John Deatrick.
September 6, 20168 yr Interesting detail: • The streetcar has three braking systems for safety purposes. Underneath each vehicle are compartments full of sand that can be dropped onto the track to slow the wheels if the streetcar has to make an abrupt stop. I assume the sand is a last-resort braking option. Have any of the other modern streetcar systems around the world ever needed to use the sand brakes?
September 6, 20168 yr So basically the Enquirer, even 3 days before opening, still doesn't have their information correct?
September 6, 20168 yr I was on one of the media preview rides today. Ours had a ton of local radio people including WGRR's Chris and Janeen.
September 6, 20168 yr Media and photographers got a chance to ride the loop. Enquirer's write up: http://www.cincinnati.com/story/news/politics/2016/09/06/streetcar-rides-today---media/89892594/ Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk The video starts with 3 minutes of John Yung chatting with John Deatrick. Wow... “All truly great thoughts are conceived while walking.” -Friedrich Nietzsche
September 6, 20168 yr Media and photographers got a chance to ride the loop. Enquirer's write up: http://www.cincinnati.com/story/news/politics/2016/09/06/streetcar-rides-today---media/89892594/ Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk The video starts with 3 minutes of John Yung chatting with John Deatrick. Wow... I'm not sure what the concept was for that video. The best video would be to place a camera on top of the streetcar, facing forward.
September 7, 20168 yr Author "check out this site: www.citystreetcar.net" check out this site: www.cincystreetcar.com So first post to opening was 13 days shy of ten years
September 7, 20168 yr Author Media and photographers got a chance to ride the loop. Enquirer's write up: http://www.cincinnati.com/story/news/politics/2016/09/06/streetcar-rides-today---media/89892594/ Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk The video starts with 3 minutes of John Yung chatting with John Deatrick. Wow... I'm not sure what the concept was for that video. The best video would be to place a camera on top of the streetcar, facing forward. My guess was the concept for that video was "we need a video to go along with this story, shoot one"
September 7, 20168 yr Author Although if you look at Portland's timeline, it also took about ten years for their streetcar- https://www.portlandoregon.gov/transportation/article/544063
September 7, 20168 yr My guess was the concept for that video was "we need a video to go along with this story, shoot one" Print media seems to not understand that strong visuals drive people to click on a story. The visuals and the sensational headline are more important than the story. So instead of firing photographers and giving their reporters iphones, they should have fired the reporters and taught the photographers how to write. Most of these reporter-photographers appear to be about as good with their hack cameras as are realtors.
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