Take away the senseless age taboo and you'd eliminate most of the binge drinking. Kids aren't taught to repsect alcohol, they're taught to fear it, which creates a need to "conquer" it. It's poor parenting institutionalized. It's been noted by many foreigners that our age-focused approach to alcohol is ineffective.

 

So, you want all aspects of society to be institutionalized other than underage drinking!

 

Take away the senseless age taboo and you'd eliminate most of the binge drinking.  Kids aren't taught to repsect alcohol, they're taught to fear it, which creates a need to "conquer" it.  It's poor parenting institutionalized.  It's been noted by many foreigners that our age-focused approach to alcohol is ineffective.

 

So, you want all aspects of society to be institutionalized other than underage drinking!

 

I think some aspects of society are overly controlled, while other aspects aren't controlled enough.  Speaking in such general terms you're probably the same way.  The points of contention involve what goes into groups #1 and #2.  US drinking laws are out of step with the rest of the civilized world.  I think we exert too much contol in that area, and I think there are consequences of our doing so.  I don't blame the college riot situation on that.  It's definitely a contributing factor.  Spoiled modern kids, who don't understand true struggle, is another one.

Of course Dan, you got me, it was really just me being a punk. Of course. I forgot you were standing right next to me at the time...

 

Dan, I support someone macing you. Every minute of every day. We'll sort it out afterwards.

 

Absolutely 100% unacceptable - you've got a week off.

 

Sorry, that crap doesn't fly with me, nor did it fly with my parents. Sounds like the case of a bunch of people who are playing "follow the leader". I just cannot agree. I cannot imagine, calling my parents to say I'm in jail because I was at a party, turned riot, and the police were called in and I was arrested. I would need to stay in jail to be protected from my father!

 

People, regardless of age (or any other identifier), need to be held accountable for their actions!

No offense, but i don't really care what flies with you or your old man.  College kids are allowed to assemble and drink legally if they are of age.  It's not like underage drinking is the same as murder and many kids aren't taught responsible drinking at an earlier age because it's not legal until they're out on their own.  Are these adults ultimately responsible for their actions? certainly. But it is quite possible that you could be at a party (legally) that could get broken up by the cops and get tossed in jail.  It could happen now.

 

There are plenty of things that could result in us getting thrown in jail by overbearing police.

 

I never said the kids were blameless, just that the police must be careful what tactics they use or it could end up escalating the situation immediately or in the future.

My 16 year old cousin from scotland came to the states this past summer for 3 and a half weeks to visit, with permission from his mom that he could drink. The entire other side of my family (not related to him) wanted to rip his head off, my head off, and my parents heads off for letting him touch alcohol while he was here because he isnt 21 and it is wrong for him to drink because of that reason. Underage drinking is something that parents, i feel are afraid to talk about, telling there kids that is this terrible thing out there, that you should stay awat from it no mattter what, and you should never drink until you hit that magic random age of 21, then its all fair game. When your told not to do something for so long then your natural reaction is going to want to do whateve it is your told not to. All to rebel against your parents, give people something to talk about in school the next day about how much you drank the night before even though its "illegal". My cousin handled himself fine when he was here, and people i knew who are not 21 wanted to know why he was just casually drinking and not drinking to black out like they all do. Basically he told them its not a big deal that he can drink because it is socially accepted in scotland where he is from. When i went over there i was drinking with 16, 17, and 18 year old kids some nights and they wernt all crazy stupid, burning sh*t down, or jumping out of windows because they were drunk. He is 16 years old and could handle his alcohol a lot better than 19, 20, 21, 22 year olds here can.

But what is your point?  Here in Ohio it is illegal for someone under 21 to drink any alcohol other than that given to him by his parents.  Period.  Whether or not he can handle it is irrelevant.  All of you could have been arrested.

There needs to be a different approach to alcohol instead of just telling all it is dangerous and shouldnt be touched until your 21. Teach teenagers about alcohol and how to drink responsibly instead of just turning the cheek on it while there getting blacked out at billys house when his parents are out of town.

 

Sorry, that crap doesn't fly with me, nor did it fly with my parents. Sounds like the case of a bunch of people who are playing "follow the leader".  I just cannot agree.  I cannot imagine, calling my parents to say I'm in jail because I was at a party, turned riot, and the police were called in and I was arrested.  I would need to stay in jail to be protected from my father!

 

People, regardless of age (or any other identifier), need to be held accountable for their actions!

No offense, but i don't really care what flies with you or your old man.  College kids are allowed to assemble [glow=red,2,300]and drink legally if they are of age[/glow].  It's not like underage drinking is the same as murder and many kids aren't taught responsible drinking at an earlier age because it's not legal until they're out on their own.  Are these adults ultimately responsible for their actions? certainly. But it is quite possible that you could be at a party (legally) that could get broken up by the cops and get tossed in jail.  It could happen now.

 

There are plenty of things that could result in us getting thrown in jail by overbearing police.

 

I never said the kids were blameless, just that the police must be careful what tactics they use or it could end up escalating the situation immediately or in the future.

 

the key words are "drink legally if they are of age".  I wonder how many of those kid are of age and had/have proof on them?

 

Underage drinking can just as bad as murder if you do something under the influence.  Hello..DUI!

 

You're right, there could be plenty of things that get you thrown in the slammer and if you're "under the influence" you're not able to make a judgement because you're impaired.  So what to you may seem as unreasonable, might be justifiable by law enforcement.

 

Just as you believe the police must be careful what tactics they use, kids need to be more respectful and realize that their actions (sober or drunk) can lead to some serious consequences, now and in the future.

But what is your point?  Here in Ohio it is illegal for someone under 21 to drink any alcohol other than that given to him by his parents.  Period.  Whether or not he can handle it is irrelevant.  All of you could have been arrested.

cardsnxtyr, I agree with Dan. Regardless of parents permission, you cousin is bound by the law in the country/county/state/city he is in. 

 

There needs to be a different approach to alcohol instead of just telling all it is dangerous and shouldnt be touched until your 21. Teach teenagers about alcohol and how to drink responsibly instead of just turning the cheek on it while there getting blacked out at billys house when his parents are out of town.

Teach?  Whatever happened to a parent saying "no" and that was the end of it?  If my Parents said, "no" that was it.  There was no discussion.  If they said it was "bad", it was bad.

 

As my father said, "these are the rules in my house, until you're old enough and responsible enough to buy your own home, and you will abide by them or you'll need to leave."

 

Kids today do way to much back talking!  It's as if (some) parents are affraid to punish their kids, but are quick to make an excuse. 

But what is your point?  Here in Ohio it is illegal for someone under 21 to drink any alcohol other than that given to him by his parents.  Period.  Whether or not he can handle it is irrelevant.  All of you could have been arrested.

cardsnxtyr, I agree with Dan. Regardless of parents permission, you cousin is bound by the law in the country/county/state/city he is in. 

 

Thats why we let him drink at the house and at the beach (myrtle beach - since no one is going up and down the beach checking id's). But as soon as we went out to a restaurant he was drinking water.

 

There needs to be a different approach to alcohol instead of just telling all it is dangerous and shouldnt be touched until your 21. Teach teenagers about alcohol and how to drink responsibly instead of just turning the cheek on it while there getting blacked out at billys house when his parents are out of town.

Teach?  Whatever happened to a parent saying "no" and that was the end of it?  If my Parents said, "no" that was it.  There was no discussion.  If they said it was "bad", it was bad.

 

As my father said, "these are the rules in my house, until you're old enough and responsible enough to buy your own home, and you will abide by them or you'll need to leave."

 

Kids today do way to much back talking!  It's as if (some) parents are affraid to punish their kids, but are quick to make an excuse. 

 

Everyone is different, i know when i was growing up my parents would give me some of their beer and teach/tell me about drinking responsibly and how it really isnt a big deal to be able to drink. I think the first time i ever sipped a beer was with my parents in 7th grade. The way my mom saw it was she would rather her teach me about drinking and drink with her instead of being at a party and think i need to keep up with everyone elses drinking. She was going to be the one to expose me to it, not anyone else. When i got to high school and everyone else was drinking to black out i never saw the need too because i knew responsible drinking and to me it just wasnt a big deal. That doesnt mean i was talking back or manipulating her into giving/buying me beer. She took it upon her herself and honestly i feel like its helped me a hell of a lot

I think what cardsnxtyr is trying to say is that we need to be more open about alcohol and underage drinking. Like, parents should tell their kids the dangers of alcohol, that they don't want them to drink, and if they do drink, to act responsibly. If this is done, fewer teens would want to go crazy and drink to pass out. I agree with you that what the parent(s) says goes, but I think that he was trying to say that there needs to be open discussion about this topic to help prevent underage drinking and alcohol related incidents.

I think what cardsnxtyr is trying to say is that we need to be more open about alcohol and underage drinking. Like, parents should tell their kids the dangers of alcohol, that they don't want them to drink, and if they do drink, to act responsibly. If this is done, fewer teens would want to go crazy and drink to pass out. I agree with you that what the parent(s) says goes, but I think that he was trying to say that there needs to be open discussion about this topic to help prevent underage drinking and alcohol related incidents.

 

Thats exactly what i was trying to get out.

But what is your point?  Here in Ohio it is illegal for someone under 21 to drink any alcohol other than that given to him by his parents.  Period.  Whether or not he can handle it is irrelevant.  All of you could have been arrested.

cardsnxtyr, I agree with Dan. Regardless of parents permission, you cousin is bound by the law in the country/county/state/city he is in. 

 

Thats why we let him drink at the house and at the beach (myrtle beach - since no one is going up and down the beach checking id's). But as soon as we went out to a restaurant he was drinking water.

 

There needs to be a different approach to alcohol instead of just telling all it is dangerous and shouldnt be touched until your 21. Teach teenagers about alcohol and how to drink responsibly instead of just turning the cheek on it while there getting blacked out at billys house when his parents are out of town.

Teach?  Whatever happened to a parent saying "no" and that was the end of it?  If my Parents said, "no" that was it.  There was no discussion.  If they said it was "bad", it was bad.

 

As my father said, "these are the rules in my house, until you're old enough and responsible enough to buy your own home, and you will abide by them or you'll need to leave."

 

Kids today do way to much back talking!  It's as if (some) parents are affraid to punish their kids, but are quick to make an excuse. 

 

Everyone is different, i know when i was growing up my parents would give me some of their beer and teach/tell me about drinking responsibly and how it really isnt a big deal to be able to drink. I think the first time i ever sipped a beer was with my parents in 7th grade. The way my mom saw it was she would rather her teach me about drinking and drink with her instead of being at a party and think i need to keep up with everyone elses drinking. She was going to be the one to expose me to it, not anyone else. When i got to high school and everyone else was drinking to black out i never saw the need too because i knew responsible drinking and to me it just wasnt a big deal. That doesnt mean i was talking back or manipulating her into giving/buying me beer. She took it upon her herself and honestly i feel like its helped me a hell of a lot

 

Thats a great example, but I'm sure you mom was in the minority.

 

Then you have the kids that are drinking to black out, in their basement, while their parents are clueless.

 

I think what cardsnxtyr is trying to say is that we need to be more open about alcohol and underage drinking. Like, parents should tell their kids the dangers of alcohol, that they don't want them to drink, and if they do drink, to act responsibly. If this is done, fewer teens would want to go crazy and drink to pass out. I agree with you that what the parent(s) says goes, but I think that he was trying to say that there needs to be open discussion about this topic to help prevent underage drinking and alcohol related incidents.

 

Yes I agree.  And you're lil ass better not be drinking!  :whip:

^Yes, father. lol.

^Yes, father. lol.

 

it's almost comical how this cycle never ends on isolated state u campuses. the fests always morph into something else over the years until they get totally out of control. same thing used to happen in bg in the 80's w/ east merry madness, manville madness, etc. -- one minute you're drinking cheap keg beer and blasting music, the next it's burning couches, breaking stuff & fighting cops.

 

the whole thing is all too tied up in the double whammy of youthful energy and america's historically conservative protestant ethics toward alcohol, so i don't suppose there is much that will ever be done about it.

 

right eddie?

Ok, first off I am trying to digest this whole thread so excuse me if I babble. One as an OU alumni all I can say is this whole idea of giant fests and especially corporate sponship is just a bad idea. OU has had a history of large springtime fests/blockparties going back to at least the 70's when the University sponsored Springfest(I think that was the name, not a 100%) in the softball fields at the end of mill street. They were big parties and would have national acts performing. Palmerfest started after the University went dry or decided to quit having Springfest. I was at OU in the late 90's and even then Palmerfest was OK for a couple of hours but unless you were friends with somebody who lived on a house on the street, it wasn't much fun. It sounds like the sponorships have upped the amount of booze availible tremendously.

 

One more thing, 10,000 kids at OU means that probably half of them were from out of town looking to "PART-EEEY", bad news.

ah, i know one thing about that springfest history. this is a classic rock concert poster i saw on brucebase. check it out ou-sters:

 

27/04/73 - OHIO UNIVERSITY MUSIC FESTIVAL, ATHENS, OH

 

Set details unknown. A fairly impressive 9-artist roster with Bruce and the band receiving near bottom billing. They play early on the first day of this 2-day festival held indoors at the school's Convocation Center. The Eagles co-headline. Eagle Don Henley has commented on this show: "I'd first heard about Springsteen from Jackson (Browne), who raved about him. Then we ended up on the same bill as Bruce at a festival out in Ohio. So I sort of wandered in alone and checked out his set. He was just a warm-up act at that this show. After watching him I remember thinking to myself that this was a guy that wasn't gonna be warming up the crowd for us - or for anybody - for very long".

 

 

http://www.brucebase.org.uk/gig1973.htm#58

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

As my father said, "these are the rules in my house, until you're old enough and responsible enough to buy your own home, and you will abide by them or you'll need to leave."

 

 

Ugh. I hated when my mom would bust that one out. "As long as you're living in MY house, you're going to live by MY rules.  If you don't like it, you can leave and find somewhere else to live."  That one got me so pissed because I knew there was nothing I could even say back.

 

I'm in agreement with you guys.  I think the laws are okay, but it IS up to the parents to teach their children.  When we were growing up, the only time my dad ever drank a beer was when he was out in the yard working, relaxing, etc.  Probably never more than 1 or 2.  By the time it got passed around to the 4 of us for a sip, he probably barely had one!  Being Italian, we always had wine with dinner, and each of us got our own small glass.  Drinking was never really taboo at our house, although no one drank a lot.

 

Of course, we could drink beer when we were 18, but I knew better than to get too drunk!  Again, in those days, you really had to be drunk to get a DUI, usually just a warning.  No such thing as jail for drinking.

 

When I was a freshman at UC and lived in Dabney, there would be a band and free beer outside the fieldhouse on Friday afternoons.  On out way to Zimmer for our 4 oclock calculus class, we'd gather as many cups as we could and sat in the back of the auditorium.  400 kids in Calculus all drinking beer!

 

As my father said, "these are the rules in my house, until you're old enough and responsible enough to buy your own home, and you will abide by them or you'll need to leave."

 

 

Ugh. I hated when my mom would bust that one out. "As long as you're living in MY house, you're going to live by MY rules.  If you don't like it, you can leave and find somewhere else to live."  That one got me so pissed because I knew there was nothing I could even say back.

 

 

I wouldn't even think about saying anything back.

 

Whenever my father would piss me off I would

 

 

 

 

Springfest ended around 1989 BECAUSE the drinking age changed to 21.  It survived about two years after the drinking age changed, but was a miserable failure both times. The attendance went from like 18,000 to 500 and the university lost tons of money on tent rental, paying bands, and so on.  By the mid-80's it had grown to a university-sanctioned booze fest that centered around drinking on homemade rafts in the Hocking River.  There were contests for who did the most creative rafts.  But as soon as the drinking age changed the residents of Palmer St. coordinated to create Palmerfest.  It was different in those days because the houses had lawns behind them.  But about 10 years ago the property owners started building more houses on the same lots behind their existing houses, doubling the street's population. 

 

Changing the drinking age to 21 was a cultural disaster.  It killed American youth music because it changed the whole business model.  Basically, beer sales used to go to the venue, but then venues started demanding more ticket revenue because they couldn't sell anywhere close to as much beer.  Ticket prices went up and people stopped going. Moreover it had a direct effect on the rise of coffee houses as hangouts for ages 18-20, but they can't make the kind of money selling coffee that they could selling beer.  And things never get rowdy in a coffee house. People will pay $5 to get in and buy $15 worth of beer no problem, but they won't pay $20 to get in and just stand there.

 

So basically there's no way to make money being in a band unless you happen be the songwriter and your song gets used in some commercials or a movie. 

 

 

 

the key words are "drink legally if they are of age". I wonder how many of those kid are of age and had/have proof on them?

 

Underage drinking can just as bad as murder if you do something under the influence. Hello..DUI!

 

You're right, there could be plenty of things that get you thrown in the slammer and if you're "under the influence" you're not able to make a judgement because you're impaired. So what to you may seem as unreasonable, might be justifiable by law enforcement.

 

Just as you believe the police must be careful what tactics they use, kids need to be more respectful and realize that their actions (sober or drunk) can lead to some serious consequences, now and in the future.

Of course kids need to be more respectful.  No one is arguing that burning a couch or throwing **** at the cops is good behavior.

 

There are a number of things that could get us thrown in jail regardless of our BAC.  Everyone has done stupid crap and basically everyone should be glad that we made it to adulthood.

 

Now, how many kids are at OU? seems like 10,000 at a party would be basically the entire population.

Roughly 20,000 kids are at OU.

I really don't understand how letting a 17 yo drink with you around your house is teaching them anything at all.  As a parent, I take the approach of leading by my actions.  We don't walk around our house all weekend drinking, and I hope our kids grow up to see that doing so really isn't acceptable.  They will see us have a beer when we go out, or my wife have a glass of wine later in the evening, but that's it.  I really think, and I have seen it, that parents use that "we are teaching our kids hpow to drink" sa a stupid and selfish excuse.  They are simply tryng to be the "cool" parents, and have been waiting for the day to sit around the house and get hammered with their kids because it sounds like fun. 

I really don't understand how letting a 17 yo drink with you around your house is teaching them anything at all.  As a parent, I take the approach of leading by my actions.  We don't walk around our house all weekend drinking, and I hope our kids grow up to see that doing so really isn't acceptable.  They will see us have a beer when we go out, or my wife have a glass of wine later in the evening, but that's it.  I really think, and I have seen it, that parents use that "we are teaching our kids hpow to drink" sa a stupid and selfish excuse.  They are simply tryng to be the "cool" parents, and have been waiting for the day to sit around the house and get hammered with their kids because it sounds like fun. 

 

I don't understand the whole "parents being friends" with your kid thing.  Maybe it's because I'm not a parent.

 

I'm under the impression it's aunts and uncles who are suppose to be cool and your parents the anti-christ!

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ah, i know one thing about that springfest history. this is a classic rock concert poster i saw on brucebase. check it out ou-sters:

 

27/04/73 - OHIO UNIVERSITY MUSIC FESTIVAL, ATHENS, OH

 

Set details unknown. A fairly impressive 9-artist roster with Bruce and the band receiving near bottom billing. They play early on the first day of this 2-day festival held indoors at the school's Convocation Center. The Eagles co-headline. Eagle Don Henley has commented on this show: "I'd first heard about Springsteen from Jackson (Browne), who raved about him. Then we ended up on the same bill as Bruce at a festival out in Ohio. So I sort of wandered in alone and checked out his set. He was just a warm-up act at that this show. After watching him I remember thinking to myself that this was a guy that wasn't gonna be warming up the crowd for us - or for anybody - for very long".

 

 

http://www.brucebase.org.uk/gig1973.htm#58

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

And MC Uncle Dirty ended up working at a Big Boy. Them's the breaks folks.

 

Back to the degenerates at OU. I don't every remember the previous "riots" at OU being so ugly, we left the couch burning and horse punching to OSU fans. Even the "time change" riots in the 90's basically consisted of a lot of people standing around after the bars kicked them out waiting for somebody or the cops to do something.

 

There definately is a not so fine line between letting your 17 YO get plastered at your house and letting your kids see and participate in responsible consumption of alcohol. And save the binges for the weekends that they are visiting grandma  :drunk:

Regarding the topic of underage drinking, I can only recommend living in a border town with Canada. In Detroit we were drinking legally at age 19, and had it completely out of our system by 21. From there on out we were happy drunks prone to only the occasional city-wide riot.

 

But on a more serious, parental-type note, I can't see me sharing a beer with my kids until at least 20. There's still a lot of developmental stuff going on up to that point that alcohol definitely won't help, and if they're anything like me, they'll have plenty of bad judgment to go around without the alcohol-assist.

I really don't understand how letting a 17 yo drink with you around your house is teaching them anything at all. As a parent, I take the approach of leading by my actions. We don't walk around our house all weekend drinking, and I hope our kids grow up to see that doing so really isn't acceptable. They will see us have a beer when we go out, or my wife have a glass of wine later in the evening, but that's it. I really think, and I have seen it, that parents use that "we are teaching our kids hpow to drink" sa a stupid and selfish excuse. They are simply tryng to be the "cool" parents, and have been waiting for the day to sit around the house and get hammered with their kids because it sounds like fun.

 

I don't think anyone suggested that, so you're really only knocking down a straw man.

In Europe, college certainly isn't like this.

 

As my father said, "these are the rules in my house, until you're old enough and responsible enough to buy your own home, and you will abide by them or you'll need to leave."

 

 

Ugh. I hated when my mom would bust that one out. "As long as you're living in MY house, you're going to live by MY rules. If you don't like it, you can leave and find somewhere else to live." That one got me so pissed because I knew there was nothing I could even say back.

 

 

I would leave the house and start walking to call their bluff. They usually ended up driving around looking for me because I refused to give in to anyone, even my own parents. And you all thought my stubborness was something new?!?! :)

 

As my father said, "these are the rules in my house, until you're old enough and responsible enough to buy your own home, and you will abide by them or you'll need to leave."

 

 

Ugh. I hated when my mom would bust that one out. "As long as you're living in MY house, you're going to live by MY rules.  If you don't like it, you can leave and find somewhere else to live."  That one got me so pissed because I knew there was nothing I could even say back.

 

 

I would leave the house and start walking to call their bluff. They usually ended up driving around looking for me because I refused to give in to anyone, even my own parents. And you all thought my stubborness was something new?!?! :)

 

YOU DON'T KNOW MY FATHER.  My brother sort of tried that and father said, "if you leave, you leave naked.  You own nothing. All your sh*t is my sh*t and when you leave don't come back".  I wanted my brother to leave.  I tried my best to convince him to "man up"!  :evil:

In Europe, college certainly isn't like this.

 

Yeah - you don't have to sneak around drinking until you're 21.

 

 

From the Athens News...I didn't realize those new apartments were finished where Bob's IGA used to be.  They're apparently called the "Palmer Place" apartments, and they started "Palmer Place Fest".  The developer was looking to cash in on the Palmer St. cache and unintentionally started another rowdy tradition!  Plus, I love how some dumbass tried to start a new fest the same weekend as Palmerfest.  I mean, does this guy know anything about OU?

 

Palmer Fest deteriorates into violence; other fest fizzles

Written by Terry Smith   

Sunday, 10 May 2009 12:11 

 

The annual Palmer Fest block party erupted in violence late Saturday, as celebrators set street fires and then pelted responding fire and police personnel with full bottles and cans.

 

Five police horses suffered injuries in the melee, according to a release from Athens Police Chief Rick Mayer. The release didn’t mention whether any human injuries occurred, and didn’t list the number of arrests. No other APD sources were available for comment on Sunday.

 

— Athens NEWS Campus Reporter Corey Ryan contributed to this report

 

MORE AT The Athens NEWS:

http://www.athensnews.com/component/content/article/1-local-news/27692-palmer-fest-deteriorates-into-violence-other-fest-fizzles

 

I think this video really illustrates just how quickly OU can destroy a brand-new apartment complex.  This is the "Palmer Place" apartments, only one year old, which occupy the old Bob's IGA property.  Just imagine being the developer...you've got $4 million or whatever sunk into this, and then a thousand or so drunks descend upon it for what appears to be an annual party the night before ANOTHER huge annual party 200ft. away...

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VYY60v8qqn8&hl=en&fs=1

 

You'd be like...do these kids ever let up?  The answer is didn't you know you were building this thing in Athens? 

I know that is Athens and all but that is absolutely ridiculous!  If I were there landlord I would be throwing out eviction notices left and right!

Well, if I was a landlord in Athens, I wouldn't let them party there.  The typical near-century-old college rental can stand up to all the people and spilled beer.  But when you get kids smashing things or lighting stuff on fire, I'd never consider it.

Dangerous and stupid!  Some of these folks will enter the job market shortly.  America's brightest.  :roll:  :roll:

Athens ought to give pause to anybody who doubts mental retardation is contagious.

I did the same thing, I left, trying to challenge the authority, but nobody came looking for me, that's for sure.  That's when I ended up living with a band.

This is just history repeating itself. I don't think the school will ever change.

 

No I don't think this history repeating itself, I think we are watching the snowball rolling down the hill, getting larger all the time. It sounds like the sponorship money is really making it worse.

OK these numbers illustrate the problem wonderfully, roughly 2/3 of the people arrested were from out of town (implied by non-student) or they were freshman. OU's reputation is destroying the school, people have heard of these wild and crazy parties and feel that they need to prove they are wild and crazy, with no regards for laws or human decency.

 

EDIT:I am by no means advocating against OU's rich tradition of partying, but let's talk about having a little pride in your ability to party. The APD has seen it all so unless you are being a D-bag, or are dumb enough to drink underage in public they will leave you alone.

 

 

 

New reports bring total Palmerfest arrests to 74

 

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Dave Hendricks • Web Editor • [email protected]

 

A team of undercover officers arrested 59 people at Palmerfest, including 38 Ohio University students, mostly for underage consumption....

 

http://www.thepost.ohiou.edu/main.asp?SectionID=1&SubSectionID=1&ArticleID=28392&TM=29791.79

In Europe, college certainly isn't like this.

 

Yeah - you don't have to sneak around drinking until you're 21.

 

 

Indeed, so kids don't make it their prime directive to get as hammered as possible.

 

 

Ben Fravel, a junior accounting major at OU, said the mounted police went into yards on Palmer Street, knocking students down and in some cases, stepping on them. Fravel, after this happened to him, said an officear dragged him off a porch and threw him into the street.

 

“It really shook it up, but I can't identify the ground cop or the horse cop because they had their helmets on,” Fravel said. “I was thinking about filing a lawsuit or a formal complaint, but I don’t know if I want to go through it… I really just want to go up to the police station and talk to someone. They should know they crossed a line.”

 

 

Here we go again! Why is it everyone in this country is so damn sue happy?! The police responded to the situation with the force needed!! If your peers were not stupid drunk and throwing missile objects at the police and firefighters they would not need to use force to keep you and everyone else safe!! I highly doubt you were as innocent as you make it seem in this whole situation! Next time maybe they should let the fires burn, let a spark ignite a house, let all mayhem take place so that they dont have people questioning there every move

In Europe, college certainly isn't like this.

 

Yeah - you don't have to sneak around drinking until you're 21.

 

 

Indeed, so kids don't make it their prime directive to get as hammered as possible.

 

Having gone to college in Europe, I can attest otherwise.  It's not really any different.

In Europe, college certainly isn't like this.

 

Yeah - you don't have to sneak around drinking until you're 21.

 

 

Indeed, so kids don't make it their prime directive to get as hammered as possible.

 

Having gone to college in Europe, I can attest otherwise. It's not really any different.

 

Oh, I had heard otherwise; maybe just in the cities I visited it wasn't like the U.S.

>A team of undercover officers arrested 59 people at Palmerfest, including 38 Ohio University students, mostly for underage consumption.

 

This is disgusting.  By undercover officers they mean 19 year-old narcs from the Explorers Club who infiltrate the parties.  One of these narcs got my cousin at 11am on a Saturday and she didn't get out of jail until 6pm on Sunday. 

if you break the rules, you have to pay the consequences!

But that's not FAIR!!!!!