I think the fests would be fair game for undercovers, house parties would be a different story.

 

The drinking age should have never been changed, period.  It's been unenforceable and has created a cynical population.  Universities nationwide used to allow keg parties in the dorms.  Now if you're caught with one beer in an OU dorm you have to go through some kind of 6-month reeducation program.  What changed that created the need for the drinking age to be raised?   

 

>house parties would be a different story.

 

These "fests" are houses parties, just a bunch of them right next to each other. 

 

I just talked to a police officer for a half hour yesterday about this stuff.  He came right out and said a lot of police officers escalate this stuff, which everybody already knows, but it was nice to hear someone admit it and identify it as a problem.   

I just talked to a police officer for a half hour yesterday about this stuff. He came right out and said a lot of police officers escalate this stuff, which everybody already knows, but it was nice to hear someone admit it and identify it as a problem.

I've spoken with a number of police over the years in college towns and it's basically always come down to the fact that the police really dislike the students.  Now, it begs the question, why do these police take the job in these towns where the predominant population is made of college students? Especially when these towns are relatively crime free and those crimes that are committed are by college kids.

 

It's a really vicious cycle.

I just talked to a police officer for a half hour yesterday about this stuff.  He came right out and said a lot of police officers escalate this stuff, which everybody already knows, but it was nice to hear someone admit it and identify it as a problem.   

I've spoken with a number of police over the years in college towns and it's basically always come down to the fact that the police really dislike the students.  Now, it begs the question, why do these police take the job in these towns where the predominant population is made of college students? Especially when these towns are relatively crime free and those crimes that are committed are by college kids.

It's a really vicious cycle.

I just talked to a police officer for a half hour yesterday about this stuff. He came right out and said a lot of police officers escalate this stuff, which everybody already knows, but it was nice to hear someone admit it and identify it as a problem.

 

Shame on the college student too drunk and/or douchebaggy to resist taking the bait.

Or the cops just lay a trap.  Old Reliable is when they ask someone holding a beer to "come here", while they're standing on the street.  If you stop at the edge of the grass, they say take another step, then as soon as you do, it's an open container citation.  If you put down the beer before you step onto public right-of-way, they cite you for littering.  The first time I saw them pull that, the poor kid got so mad that he slapped the hood of the cruiser, they took him to the mat, and he spent the night in jail. 

 

I got open container AND littering once while in an apartment building's stairwell.  My friend and I decided to leave a party on the 4th floor of a building, and since the elevator was broken down, we took the steps.  Foolishly, but not illegally, we were walking down the interior steps finishing off some beers and by total coincidence as we were getting to the bottom floor the police walked in to break up the party.  Now everything you can imagine was going on at that party, but we end up being the only people fined and we weren't even doing anything illegal.  Luckily the prosecutor threw out the citations but I still had to pay court fees, which was about $60.     

Amazing how someone can always be in the wrong place at the wrong time!!

Or the cops just lay a trap.    

 

Yes, like the time driving home from spring break.  See a sign in the road saying "police detection point ahead".  Figuring there would be delays, and since it was lunch time, we got off at the next exit.  Of course the cops were set up on hte exit ramp and we were pulled over and searched...and not politely.  They cuffed my friend - who was driving - for no apparent reason.  it was as if they were trying to get us to confess to...well, who knows what.  Eventually, they let us go because we had done nothing wrong.

 

Of course, when you like to give the government the courtesy reach around, I am sure you just like to think "well, we were being douchebags and deserved it".

I was pulled over in Mississippi for no reason, but I know it was because I had OH plates. They probably assumed that I was a drug runner. They asked what I was there for. Whenever I kept asking why I was pulled over, they just replied with another question on what brought me to town. I wasn't speeding or anything. I had to be the plates.

I just talked to a police officer for a half hour yesterday about this stuff. He came right out and said a lot of police officers escalate this stuff, which everybody already knows, but it was nice to hear someone admit it and identify it as a problem.

I've spoken with a number of police over the years in college towns and it's basically always come down to the fact that the police really dislike the students. Now, it begs the question, why do these police take the job in these towns where the predominant population is made of college students? Especially when these towns are relatively crime free and those crimes that are committed are by college kids.

It's a really vicious cycle.

your logic allows for all sorts of profiling to occur.

 

As far as i'm concerned, you shouldn't have contempt for the majority population that you serve.  Unfortunately, that happens all too often in college towns and it does not create a cooperative environment with the police.  hell, the same thing happens in major cities.  the police shouldn't be a force of ass kickers, but instead a cooperative group that enforces the laws with the community.

 

The story is the same with Michigan State's Cedarfest.  People come from all over, sometimes causing the situation to escalate if they have no real incentive to respect their peer's hometown

well, Cedarfest hasn't existed since the 1980's but the point does remain.  When a party like this one gets a reputation for being a huge blow out then people come from all sorts of places and do a lot more damage than the kids at the school. I witnessed this happen at MSU in the late 90's early 00's.

 

I can't imagine a party of 10,000, although i suppose this is actually small potatoes when compared to the tailgating Saturdays at many Big 10 schools.

 

Huh?  I went to it two years ago.  A huge riot broke out and made national news.  I didn't drink and I was smart enough to leave when it started to get chaotic.

 

Huh? I went to it two years ago. A huge riot broke out and made national news. I didn't drink and I was smart enough to leave when it started to get chaotic.

and that was an attempted repeat of what happened in the 1980s.  it really hasn't been an ongoing thing. i started at MSU in '97 and lived in the Lansing/EL area through '06.  what happened in 2007 was what they call in hollywood a "re-imagining" and not a very good one.

Ah, got it.

>A team of undercover officers arrested 59 people at Palmerfest, including 38 Ohio University students, mostly for underage consumption.

 

This is disgusting.  By undercover officers they mean 19 year-old narcs from the Explorers Club who infiltrate the parties.  One of these narcs got my cousin at 11am on a Saturday and she didn't get out of jail until 6pm on Sunday. 

 

Sounds fair to me.  a little over 24 hours in the station really isn't a big deal.  Lets face it, this school has turned into the joke of Ohio.  law Enforcement for the necxt several years to come are going to make examples of people with alcohol violations. 

 

>A team of undercover officers arrested 59 people at Palmerfest, including 38 Ohio University students, mostly for underage consumption.

 

This is disgusting. By undercover officers they mean 19 year-old narcs from the Explorers Club who infiltrate the parties. One of these narcs got my cousin at 11am on a Saturday and she didn't get out of jail until 6pm on Sunday.

 

Sounds fair to me. a little over 24 hours in the station really isn't a big deal. Lets face it, this school has turned into the joke of Ohio. law Enforcement for the necxt several years to come are going to make examples of people with alcohol violations.  

 

As an OU grad I would counter that saying there are many other things that qualify as the joke of Ohio before OU. See Cuyahoga county Commissioners, Auditor and Sheriff.

 

It didn't even make Playboys party school list this time,

That incident was at Ohio State, not OU. 

 

Yeah, so being strip searched and spending 24 hours in jail, paying a lawyer $1500, and having a major misdemeanor on your record is "fair" for holding an unopened beer can. 

 

University administrations are finally working together to get the drinking age lowered back to 18.  It's a huge liability for them and they have to waste tons of resources policing the dorms and the rest of their property, not to mention the lost vending revenue at events.   

That incident was at Ohio State, not OU.

 

Yeah, so being strip searched and spending 24 hours in jail, paying a lawyer $1500, and having a major misdemeanor on your record is "fair" for holding an unopened beer can.

 

 

This could not have happened to someone who was completely innocent and had acted respectfully towards the police.  If you open your mouth with a smartass comment, you get what you deserve.

More chaos in Athens:

 

Watch the police horse almost step on the guy's head at :35.

Honest-to-gawd, I didn't know whether to laugh or just cry, watching this video.  (should have been accompanied by Talking Heads' "Burning Down The House")  BTW, I laughed and cried at the same time...

^^Seems like that went over better than College Fest at Kent this year. People were throwing bottles at the police, fighting, and just being stupid. The police tear gassed the crowd to clear the streets.

 

Police break up College Fest after violence ensues

 

http://www.youtube.com/embed/GKGU1_A7X-M

I saw that Kent video last week.  In both cases, the police are totally overreacting to the "problem".  In both cases we are talking about students partying on side streets, where they aren't disrupting traffic or any of that. 

 

"I'm charging my phone taking shots..."

 

"Cinco de Stratford" was pretty wild in the early aughts at UC, but UCPD and CPD successfully put a stop to that tradition after 2003.

i guess, at kent, of the 34 arrested, only four were ksu students.

 

Saw this one below the others and I think you can see some examples here of police giving directions in a stern but professional manner and citizens complying.  You also see people expressing their opinions and the police not reacting professionally.

 

I mean, why even reply to a guy who is accusing you of being like Nazi-Germany?