Does anyone ever sit corrected??

Does anyone ever sit corrected??

 

Good one KJP.......BUT

 

 

 

(I couldn't resist)  >:D

I believe that more windows have been covered. Their were only a few that have yet been covered when I saw the building last week. Maybe more are now, I'll let you know when I pass it today.

Okay, they covered up even more from what I saw today. There are still several windows on the upper floors that still need to be covered though

All the windows were covered with plastic last winter.  The plastic was removed from some of the windows over the summer, around the time Governor Strickland came to town to announce the historic tax credit award.  I assume they are just recovering the open windows for the winter.

All the windows were covered with plastic last winter. The plastic was removed from some of the windows over the summer, around the time Governor Strickland came to town to announce the historic tax credit award. I assume they are just recovering the open windows for the winter.

 

Im just adding information to a previous conversation. And yes they are covering up to prevent damage

Let's just hope we're talking about the installation of real windows by this time next year.  :-)

 

^ Probably not likely in early December of 2011. According to Cleveland Construction the timetable is "TBD".

 

"Cleveland Construction, Inc. is currently working on preconstruction services for the renovation and preservation of the 14-story Schofield Building in downtown Cleveland."

 

http://www.clevelandconstruction.com/InteriorDetail.aspx?ProjectID=75

 

^ Probably not likely in early December of 2011. According to Cleveland Construction the timetable is "TBD".

 

"Cleveland Construction, Inc. is currently working on preconstruction services for the renovation and preservation of the 14-story Schofield Building in downtown Cleveland."

 

http://www.clevelandconstruction.com/InteriorDetail.aspx?ProjectID=75

 

Wow that is a great rendering. I hope it turns out just like that!

It has to turn out like that to receive the historic state tax credits.  The facade must be restored to original form.... within reason, which unfortunately will not include the original clock tower.

Does anyone have any updates on the Schofield Building or an updated construction timetable??

 

I just thought that after being approved for that tax credit (which happened around the middle of last year), there would have been some kinda work done.    :wtf:

 

Thanks.

I do not believe they have all of their financing in place yet.

Thanks for the update KJP!!!  Hopefully there wont be too many issues working the financing out in this economy, etc.  I'm looking forward to seeing the work get started on this building. 

actually I heard about this a few weeks back and have been too busy to stop in... essentially the developers of this property were working on another project that was more time sensitive that they had to get in order. Now that said project is full steam ahead they are turning their attention back to this one. And while financing is not complete I have heard the framework of the deal is in place. they are targeting early summer, i guess we shall see.

^ Thanks, it will be such an addition to the the corner to have this building restored and looking what it used to. I love projects like these. This, 668, and the two buildings further down on Euclid that I seem to always forget the name of, are all great examples of how past beauties covered and mistreated can be restored to their former glory.

Please note this link: http://www.hospitalityworldnetwork.com/nyu-kimpton from last June

 

It states that Kimpton Hotels does not consider Cleveland a regular Kimpton class city, but that they may be developing a lesser (3.5 star) concept for cities such as Cleveland.  Can anyone confirm what they would be placing in the Schofield?

 

 

^After reading that article let me just say 'Kiss my Ass Kimpton'. Don't need you... don't want you.

Well, I don't think I'll be setting foot in a Kimpton again.

Well that sucks

If they produce a good hotel, I could care less about where it falls in their corporate hierarchy. Cleveland is hardly in a position to demand a St. Regis.

Yeah I agree with archangel. I don't think this is something to be so upset about. 3.5 star is fine with me.

No, but we also don't have to tolerate a hotel executive taking a verbal piss on our city.

Ehhh, I see why people might read into that as an insult but did we feel the same way when they announced Flats East Bank was getting an aLoft versus a full-on W Hotel? Would we prefer that the guy lie and say "sure, Cleveland is the perfect place for a hotel that needs to charge >$400 a night at 95+% occupancy all year round"?

Ok, I am THE world's biggest Cleveland fan there is! Believe me, it's true! Just ask my friends how obnoxious I am about Cleveland.

 

Anyway, with that being the case, I really don't have a problem with the Kimpton Exec's comments. We still may get a hotel and a 3.5 star one at that! It's a positive move overall and one that will benefit downtown.

That doesnt really make any sense since it was already announced it would be a Kimpton brand when the above article came out saying "Cleveland is not the market for a regular Kimpton, but maybe would work for a new lower grade brand that they were only in the early stages of developing..."

 

It doesnt seem like they would have commited so early on based on a concept they were only in the early stages of planning..

^I agree...article does not make sense given the timing of the original announcement and the date of the article.  Also, really not much meat to the article...it left me more confused than anything.

So there's a hotel going there, and we still don't know what brand it is? Or there WAS a Kilmpton going there and now they're waffling and considering a new sub-brand? Or the new sub-brand is definitely going there...?

 

 

Ehh, I still think there's a way for a CEO to be political, polite and verbally savvy. Say something like "This will be our first presence in the newly resurgent Cleveland market, so we'd like to test these unfamiliar waters by introducing a 3.5-star concept here and then see how it performs."

Ehh, I still think there's a way for a CEO to be political, polite and verbally savvy. Say something like "This will be our first presence in the newly resurgent Cleveland market, so we'd like to test these unfamiliar waters by introducing a 3.5-star concept here and then see how it performs."

 

+1 exactly.

Yeah, the CIO\EVP could have (should have) worded that a bit differently, but at least Kimpton is still moving forward with plans to put a hotel in Cleveland.  They could have decided not to put a hotel here because "Cleveland isnt quite the market for a four-star Kimpton Hotel".

 

I'll take a 3.5 star hotel instead of an empty building any day!!  Just start the renovations!!  :clap:

Not all Kimpton Hotels are 4 star, so Kimpton operating a 3 or 3.5 star hotel is not without precedent.  In San Francisco, the Sir Francis Drake (3.5 stars) and Hotel Triton (3 stars) are Kimpton properties.  The 3 star Hotel Triton is a very trendy boutique hotel, with great reviews and very popular with guests (www.hoteltriton.com.)  Sometimes hotels can't justify a 4 star rating because the property doesn't have 24 hr room service, in house restaurant, swimming pool, ballroom, etc. that one expects in a full service, 4 star hotel.  But they make up for it with unusual decor, a unique or historic building, and excellent customer service. 

Joie de Vivre is another boutique hotel chain, based in California, that offers excellent boutique accommodations that range from 2 to 4 stars:  www.jdvhotels.com.

So I don't think it's a discredit to Cleveland that Kimpton would consider less than a 4 star property...they need to consider the market.  And they could always upgrade it to 4 stars if the business justifies it. I've stayed at several (3 and 3.5 star) Kimpton hotels in the past and they really do a fine job.  Actually, I think it's a feather in Cleveland's cap that Kimpton would consider the city for one of their unique, boutique properties!

Thanks McMick.  Good info there.

Yeah,  I'm with mcmick too.  The one 3 start Kimpton I stayed in I liked very, very much.  As an almost certain future leisure customer, I think I'd actually prefer the price break that will come with a lower rated place.

Mcmick...thanks for all the relevant and detailed information.

The only thing that irks me is that they consider Denver a potential market but not Cleveland?  Our downtown runs circles around Denver's, the metro areas are nearly identical in size, and I'm pretty sure we're more of a business traveler's destination.  Everyone's just on a "Denver's so cool" kick right now because they have mountains and are growing.  Well, sure, they're growing, but I hardly think Highlands Ranch is sustainable (nor long-term desirable, it will be completely outdated in 20 years).

I've seen the Sir Francis Drake in San Francisco - a luxurious hotel and surely nothing to sneeze at!

The only thing that irks me is that they consider Denver a potential market but not Cleveland?  Our downtown runs circles around Denver's, the metro areas are nearly identical in size, and I'm pretty sure we're more of a business traveler's destination.  Everyone's just on a "Denver's so cool" kick right now because they have mountains and are growing.  Well, sure, they're growing, but I hardly think Highlands Ranch is sustainable (nor long-term desirable, it will be completely outdated in 20 years).

 

Somewhat subjective on coolness, yet the numbers don't lie.  Just did a quick perusing of the industry trades and found a couple articles from late 2010.  Denver's occupany rate is some 10% higher and is seeing consistent rate and revenue growth compared to Cleveland.

 

And even more interesting, did you know that 62% of Cleveland's annual hotel revenue comes from the Beachwood I271 corridor?  http://www.hotelnewsnow.com/articles.aspx/4003/Cleveland-market-update

 

 

I was ready to believe that 62% figure... but my read of the pie chart is that 62% represents downtown and Beachwood combined, with downtown still having the largest individual share at 35.9%.

I was ready to believe that 62% figure... but my read of the pie chart is that 62% represents downtown and Beachwood combined, with downtown still having the largest individual share at 35.9%.

 

You're correct 327.  My bad--I miss read the sentence in the paragraph on the subject.

It looks like construction is resuming or soon will.  Hard hats were on site and setting up porta-johns.

Oh thank god. I cannot wait for this building to be restored

Nice!!!  :clap:  I've been waiting a while to hear some kind of news about the construction resuming that corner.

It looks like construction is resuming or soon will.  Hard hats were on site and setting up porta-johns.

 

Porta-john's are a beautiful site :).  Ready for progress!

It's now a month-and-a-half later.  What's going on? :yap:

^ Doesn't seem like much. No visible progress from the outside, can't speak to what it going on inside.

Yeah, of course as soon as I said that it goes back to hibernation.  The porta john is still there.

I noticed that to when the signs went up.  A slight nuisance to the pedestrian and a waste.  And big ugliness continuing at an important intersection.... :whip:

They should take the scaffolding down if this project is on hold.  Its ugly and should not be sitting out on the corner of main and main.

 

(Same for the Keith Building scaffolding).

 

 

I disagree.  It would look worse without the scaffolding.  Regardless if work is actually ongoing, the scaffolding at least gives that appearance.  Otherwise, we would just have a giant, unexpalined eyesore on perhaps our most prominent intersection.

I agree with Hts. At least it gives off the perception that work is being done.