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Interesting, thanks!  Do you know if they are going to clean up the exterior a bit?

 

Don't know. If I see her again before we move in a couple weeks, I'll ask.

"In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck

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    Bank signage up. I know it’s probably not our first choice for retail but it will definitely be nice to have an active business here and it also have a nice nighttime presence. It does look like the c

  • Just spoke to someone from CRM, and they are opening a pop up bar in the Schofield called Lake Effect at the corner of East 9th and Euclid. 

  • I spoke to the bartender last night. He said that Lake Effeft as an xmas themed bar will remain open until January 15th. Then it will probably remain open as another bar afterward. If this is this is

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I don't care for bricked-in windows either, but what kind of "decoration" would you like to see the whole, missing window become?  I've seen many a building built with fake bricked-in windows; it's been going on for decades, at least.  A continuation of the "fake ruins" concept, which was surely done in the 18th century in Europe.  It was considered "romantic," then....

I don't care for bricked-in windows either, but what kind of "decoration" would you like to see the whole, missing window become?  I've seen many a building built with fake bricked-in windows; it's been going on for decades, at least.  A continuation of the "fake ruins" concept, which was surely done in the 18th century in Europe.  It was considered "romantic," then....

 

As stated above, I'd prefer to keep the windows. Even if they're decorative/non functioning, they're aesthetically consistent. And maybe even cheaper.

The windows face the back alley.  I wouldn't get too excited about their loss.

Getting my pictures in while I still can. My "window" of opportunity closes Nov. 30....

 

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"In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck

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Some new pieces on the Schofield ... Looks like they're putting the year 1901 (I believe that's when it was built ?) on the E. 9th face. Was that an original detail?? Also more detail on the cornice.

 

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Anybody know if the replica pieces are actually ceramic? Or something cheaper like painted concrete or polymer?

 

I imagine the tax credits include rules guiding the restoration. Just curious if that includes the materials used. I remember much of the Terminal Tower restoration used fiberglass to replace the crumbling terra cotta, and that restoration included state tax credits.

Wow.  Just shows if this building's facade can be fixed/restored, any building can be rehabbed...

I love that decorative "1901"! I don't remember seeing that on the original facade.

"In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck

From the few old pictures I have seen, there were decorative medallions at that height all around the building; although no giant numbers are apparent in those pictures.  I think there is a bit of artistic license on this rehab; perhaps because the historical record is so unclear. 

An amazing job has been done to recreate the damaged details.  I wonder if Cleveland Construction has/had access to the original drawings from the 1901 construction.  I have attached the only photograph I could find of the original medallion details to compare what is today's version

^ I don't have any photos, but I know at least part of the "Schofield" is up on the E. 9th side.

I hope they have some architectural lighting on the outside to show all this facade detail ...

Wow. And to think what it once was:

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OUTSTANDING!!

I know it's early morning when I though to myself, "why does it say 190?" before realizing, "oh there's one more number to put up." I'm so far from a morning person...but this excites me enough to wake me up. This building is fantastic looking. It's coming along so nicely. I can't wait to see it finished in person. This should be a case study for large-scale facade restoration.

No mention of what will happen with the Cleveland Kimpton, but IHG is pretty invested in Cleveland already...

 

InterContinental to buy boutique hotel Kimpton

 

InterContinental Hotels Group agreed to pay $430 million to buy boutique hotel operator Kimpton, in a deal meant to stock up on pricy hotels located in popular cities and resort locations.

 

The all-cash deal will result in the acquisition of Kimpton’s 62 hotels with an additional 16 hotels in the pipeline. The company also operates 71 hotel-based destination restaurants and bars. IHG  IHG 1.86%  said it sees significant opportunities to further grow the Kimpton brand within the U.S. and to launch it globally.

 

http://fortune.com/2014/12/16/intercontinental-buys-kimpton/

Even if IGH pulls out now, they have already done all the heavy lifting to bring the building back to life.  In the unlikely event they don't want to run the Schofield, someone else will

Does anyone know if the "Schofield 1901" shield design was historically authentic to the original design or an interpretation of once was?  I hope someone from Cleveland Construction could answer this or show original drawings of the buildings exterior details.

^ I can't find any photos to back this up, but I think I remember seeing an old picture with the 1901 shields on it. I could be wrong though. Either way, it looks great.

 

By the way, is there a retail component to this project? I'm assuming there is, because it's a prime location for retail. Have any restaurant/retail tenants signed on yet?

^ Kimpton does an outstanding job with their in-house restaurants.  Most are at street level and become destinations of themselves.

Even if IGH pulls out now, they have already done all the heavy lifting to bring the building back to life.  In the unlikely event they don't want to run the Schofield, someone else will

 

And many hotel operators under the same corporate umbrella have multiple hotels in the same city. Marriott is the most obvious example, especially in Cleveland. So it's possible that ISG keeps Kimpton as a separate brand.

"In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck

I'd be shocked if IHG does not keep the Kimpton brand, which was the whole point of the acquisition.  The interesting question will be how they use the brand on a going-forward basis.  Kimpton really only has two consistent trade names within its hotel group, Palomar, for contemporary builds, and Monaco, for historically significant buildings.  Will IHG push those names on new hotels, or will they simply adopt the Kimpton name?  Will Cleveland's be Hotel Schofield (as one could suspect from previous comments and branding practices by Kimpton), Hotel Monaco Cleveland, or simply the Kimpton Cleveland?  Time, I suppose, will tell.

So I got to take a closer look today and not only do they have the Schofield and 1901 panels going up, but two on the corner that depict what I think is the soldiers and sailors monument (which Schofield built).

 

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Not the best pics but I only had my phone

 

So, this project has taken a very long time, but it looks like the quality of the renovation may be worth the wait

 

 

 

OMG, you bunch of dorks need to just settle down. First - WHO goes out of their way to check on the Euclid progress?!? Second - it's just an old building - big deal! Like I care!

 

Oh alright, I confess: I had photos of this by 12:20:

 

Looks like some of the decorative work on the top portion of the pilasters might be damaged but it's probably fixable:

 

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I'd be curious if they plan to restore the clock tower on the corner:

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From http://www.loc.gov/pictures/item/det1994017575/PP/

Anyone have a guess at what that structure is in the original

 

It could be this which is his vault at Lakeview Cemetery, a vault he designed. Schofield died in 1917 the building went up in '01, maybe the plaque went up after he died. Idk just a guess.

^That's a good guess! And in case my earlier posting suggested that I thought IHG would pull out, I was more thinking that they already have a big presence, and success with the Clinic. I'd imagine that adding another boutique type option closer to the city center and on a dedicated line (the healthline) to the hospital would only be appealing to them and a way to get into a more mixed type traveler's market in Cleveland than strictly relying more on hospital clients. They wanted a hotel Indigo at one point across the street at the Breuer tower, so it works.

I have to confess I didn't find the Schofield Building - once the old brick was again exposed and cleaned - all that appealing.  The red tone seemed odd and I thought it clashed with neighboring buildings.  In fact, at times the brick reminded me of so many old brick buildings that are painted red.  However, with most of the brickwork done, I find the building far more likable and actually quite beautiful.  With a lot of sculptural effects restored or recreated, it makes a huge difference.  I'm taken with the building's name spelled out, plus the year of construction displayed, which I didn't realize were features of the original facade, and the subtle contrast between the red bricks and the material of the sculpture is really very attractive.  Now, like many of you, I am anxious to see this hotel open.  Is this to be classified as another of Cleveland's new "luxury" hotels?  I'm not that familiar with the chain, and it's not that easy to tell from the websites.

^It's "boutique"- meaning artsy and thoughtfully designed, but not luxury.  The rooms probably won't be large, and I doubt there will be top level services.

 

I absolutely love this project.  I was a little freaked out by the bright color of the newly cleaned brick, but either my eyes have adjusted or the color has mellowed a bit, and either way I think it's stunning. Can't wait for it to open.

^It's "boutique"- meaning artsy and thoughtfully designed, but not luxury.  The rooms probably won't be large, and I doubt there will be top level services.

 

I absolutely love this project.  I was a little freaked out by the bright color of the newly cleaned brick, but either my eyes have adjusted or the color has mellowed a bit, and either way I think it's stunning. Can't wait for it to open.

 

Kenton is boutique and high end, more Plaza than W

IMHO, Kimptons really run the gamut. 

 

Their two high-end brands are Palomar and Monaco.  Palomars are contemporary, usually in a new-build.  Monacos are more funky traditional, in historic buildings.  Room size/amenities vary widely within the particular hotel.  From a smallish, basic room with shower, to larger rooms with soaking tubs and stand-alone showers, to suites.  It is kind of a-la-carte pricing depending upon what you want. 

 

On the other hand, Kimpton's Non-Palomars/Monacos can, depending on the hotel, be pretty basic and unimpressive.  I've seen some that are basically no more than a modern motel with a pretty good bar. 

 

If we get a Monaco, it will give the Metropolitan and certainly the Ritz a run for their money.  If we get a plain Kimpton one-off, its a whole different story.  As a traveler, I would personally choose our Westin, with the Urban Farmer, over a plain-Jane Kimpton one-off.     

Ugh.  Oh well.  At least it will be nice to look at from the outside.

Ugh.  Oh well.  At least it will be nice to look at from the outside.

 

FWIW, the only Kimpton I've been to is the Epic in Miami, and the name is quite appropriate. One of the nicest hotels I've ever stayed at. I'm not saying the Schofield is going to be quite at that level, but I do fully expect it will be a high-class operation.

^From hints along the way (e.g., http://www.hotelmanagement.net/nyu-kimpton) I've just been assuming it wouldn't be a Palomar or Monaco.

 

That article was from 2010, the CLEVE may have gone up a notch or two since then in their books

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Egads, it's been over a month since anyone's mentioned the Schofield here.  Has anyone taken a stroll past, or have news or photos to share?

I'm out of town, but this is one of my favorite projects to keep up with in Cleveland.

 

Thanks

Just walked by it 5 minutes ago. Didn't notice any significant updates

I'm loving this restoration.  It is so rare to see a large, commercial Victorian building; whether you like the style or not. 

 

However ... they have added quite a bit of mismatched brick, on the public, exposed Euclid side; where there was significant damage to the original structure due to its prior false façade.  That new brown brick does not match, at all, the existing bright-red Victorian era brick. 

 

Does anyone know: (1) whether the building is already carrying a coat of red, original paint, or (2) whether they plan on painting upon completion and/or installing a veneer over the new, mismatched brick?  I'm just so surprised that they would go to the huge effort of recreating the all that ornamental detail and then just throw up walls that don't match the original. 

There's no paint involved.  The mismatch you see is just old soot covered brick harvested from other areas, mixed in with the power washed brick from the front of the building.  When they do the final cleaning it will match.

Ahhh.  Thanks!

I moved out of my office in the neighboring City Club Building two months ago, but I went back to the elevator lobby on the 10th floor and took this picture. I do not see any visible changes inside or outside the building, at least from this vantage point....

 

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"In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck

Thanks Guys, 

Even no news is some news.

I look forward to checking it out on my next trip to C-town, possibly this Spring.

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