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I have a question for those forumers who have knowledge in Federal & State Historic Tax credits. The Schofield Building has a lot of  exterior brick damage. Are the developers able to repair any damaged brick work? I am assuming that they probably are limited in their repair work to restore it to it's original status.

They can replace damages facades to match.  Basically the same situation as 668.  Hopefully this time the new material infill is not painted to match the existing.  That turns out less than great in my opinion, not to mention the ridiculous exposed side cornice detail.

 

This got wiped out in the server crash, but I posted photos of another historic beauty that was "modernized" and unfortunately brutalized -- closer to Public Square on Euclid. The building's decorative elements at the top all had to be reconstructed using old photographs. This building is part of the WT Grant Lofts (thanks to MayDay and his clevelandskyscrapers.com for these wonderful before-and-after comparisons showing that IT CAN BE DONE).....

 

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"In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck

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  • Just spoke to someone from CRM, and they are opening a pop up bar in the Schofield called Lake Effect at the corner of East 9th and Euclid. 

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^ there is an even worse before photo out there somewhere.

^ weird to see Euclid Ave before all the Healthline reconstruction.  I remember it prior to the changes, but I'm just so used to it after all the changes.

 

^ there is an even worse before photo out there somewhere.

 

Ha, like this one?

 

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^ there is an even worse before photo out there somewhere.

 

Ha, like this one?

 

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I would love to see downtown that active again

^ Active, but oddly everything is vacant, boarded up, and looks like crap!

I think that this might be a parade.  Judging by the fact that two of those cars are convertibles, with their tops down, and everyone is wearing winter jackets... 8-)

^ there is an even worse before photo out there somewhere.

 

Yeah, but the one I posted showed how much damage was done to the WT Grant building. That couldn't be seen until the facade was removed. Similarly, we didn't know how much damage was done to the Schofield until its facade was removed too.

 

Point is, the WT Grant building shows that such damage can be repaired at the Schofield.

"In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck

I think that this might be a parade.  Judging by the fact that two of those cars are convertibles, with their tops down, and everyone is wearing winter jackets... 8-)

 

And the "density" on the sidewalk could be nothing else, at least in this town.  :)

I'm pretty sure that photo is of the parade for the Indians losing the 1995 World Series (yep, we throw parades for losing!). Everyone is wearing Indians hats. The guy walking in the middle is Mayor Mike White.

 

OK, now that I've answered everything and cleared everything up -- BACK ON TOPIC!!  :whip:

"In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck

I'm pretty sure that photo is of the parade for the Indians losing the 1995 World Series (yep, we throw parades for losing!). Everyone is wearing Indians hats. The guy walking in the middle is Mayor Mike White.

 

OK, now that I've answered everything and cleared everything up -- BACK ON TOPIC!!  :whip:

Wow never knew that (since I was 3) but that explains it all!

People have already said it but this is going to be one RIDICULOUSLY beautiful building when it's done.  Glad to add a pop of color on this corner too.  (and boy that section of Euclid sure looks better now than in 1995!)

At first glance, you'd think the renovation of the Schofield Building was all done. Instead, it's just getting underway!

 

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"In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck

 

Ive seen this a few nights now, great shot. And its amazing how much lit windows change the feel of a long dormant intersection

Does anybody on the board know if the apartments are on the lower or upper floors?  I am guessing the hotel will be the top floors but not sure.  I am actually of thinking of exploring an apartment downtown (I guess then I will have to be dtguy) and the Schofield is the building that interests me the most, especially after seeing the finishes CRM did in the Seasons at Perk Park.

I thought I heard/read the apartments would be on the top floors. 

^That would be my guess.  And if it's a high floor, you can still be Htsguy!

The apartments will range from just under 1,000 square feet to 3,000-square-foot corner units with views of Lake Erie, PlayhouseSquare and Public Square. Calabrese said most of those large units are spoken for -- one of them by a member of the investor group behind the project.

 

http://www.cleveland.com/business/index.ssf/2013/06/developer_resumes_work_on_50_m.html

 

If there are views of Lake Erie from the apartments, I'm assuming upper floors as well.

When I drove by earlier today, I saw a couple of windows that appeared to have some new wood framing in place.  I'm wondering if they are going to be using it to test some new windows for placement/fitting.

 

Sorry, no picture, but this was apparently the case as there are now two windows installed in these 3rd floor spots, and they look very nice, and appropriate for the building.

When I drove by earlier today, I saw a couple of windows that appeared to have some new wood framing in place.  I'm wondering if they are going to be using it to test some new windows for placement/fitting.

 

Sorry, no picture, but this was apparently the case as there are now two windows installed in these 3rd floor spots, and they look very nice, and appropriate for the building.

 

Lucky for you, I snapped a picture! I was so excited!!

Thanks for the window picture pgn711!  I love matching historical details and these windows are pretty darn close to the original double-hung windows that this beauty had... Sadly, it looks like the new windows do not open like the original double hungs.  Guess we can't have everything...

 

I work just around the corner from this awesome project, but the view is completely blocked by the Huntington Building on 9th/Euclid, so I much appreciate the photo updates!

I'm surprised they're installing windows already. Many of those window openings don't look ready to accommodate windows yet. Maybe they're doing what they can now while they're fixing the jagged openings elsewhere.

"In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck

^Those are likely just test windows.

^Is it possible to be in love with a building? I mean in a 'manlove building' kinda way. Should I seek professional help? It might just enter my dreams some night. Cuz I love that building. There I said it. OK that wasn't so hard...

Oops! Looks like they've accidentally painted the City Club Building too.

"In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck

Oops! Looks like they've accidentally painted the City Club Building too.

 

Did they paint the schofield building or did they clean it?

 

If they cleaned it where did that paint come from?

^Maybe just a little brick dust.

^Maybe just a little brick dust.

 

That makes sense. I guess I'm too used to the lack of precision of so many construction workers and painters.

"In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck

What are the chances the owner is going to "do the right thing" and have  the small tower reconstructed? It really had been an enhancement to the building and would make it still more striking.  As an aside, there was also one on the highrise that stood where the PNC tower is.

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As an aside, there was also one on the highrise that stood where the PNC tower is.
Interestingly, the oddly proportioned tower on the Hickox Building was salvaged from the First Baptist Church, which had previously occupied the site.

^Is it possible to be in love with a building? I mean in a 'manlove building' kinda way. Should I seek professional help? It might just enter my dreams some night. Cuz I love that building. There I said it. OK that wasn't so hard...

 

Well I just got back from Paris and apparently someone "married" the Eiffel Tower.  So, love away my friend.

Hey clock towers are the new thing....

 

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^ All I see is someone giving the city a giant middle finger

I may be too anxious in asking but does anyone know what work is currently being completed, if any?  I haven't noticed much going on.

 

Tell those workers to pick it up and work at "Geiss" speed!  :whip:

I suppose the mods are going to complain about the course of this thread... but I have one more semi-related photo to the divergent tail of this thread that I couldn't resist sharing...A photo of the original First Baptist church original clock tower later re-purposed for Hickox...I'm not seeing the resemblance, but it is an interesting story...

 

I like to track how many different structures have been at a location over the past 200 years, and this corner is near the top of my list with four documented structures (First Baptist [1855-1899], Hickox [1900-1946], Bond [1946-1978], NCB/PNC [1978-eternity]).  Likely there were one or more structures before First Baptist, making this one of the most rebuilt corners in the city...

^Bring back the name Erie St. from the lakefront to the new e 9th. extention, I would love that. And bring back Pearl St. where w25th is. Sorry, back on topic.

I suppose the mods are going to complain about the course of this thread... but I have one more semi-related photo to the divergent tail of this thread that I couldn't resist sharing...A photo of the original First Baptist church original clock tower later re-purposed for Hickox...I'm not seeing the resemblance, but it is an interesting story...

 

I like to track how many different structures have been at a location over the past 200 years, and this corner is near the top of my list with four documented structures (First Baptist [1855-1899], Hickox [1900-1946], Bond [1946-1978], NCB/PNC [1978-eternity]).  Likely there were one or more structures before First Baptist, making this one of the most rebuilt corners in the city...

I'm assuming the only thing repurposed was the actual clock?

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We have new windows!!

 

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"In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck

^ those have been up for months KJP!

Now that you mention it, you're right! Sure sign of old age........

"In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck

I was in Cleveland this weekend and was surprised at how little progress has been made in this building other than the cleaning. 

^progress that you could see, that is....

Good point.

 

I was in Cleveland this weekend and was surprised at how little progress has been made in this building other than the cleaning.

 

One thing I've noticed is they are filling in a lot of the holes in the facade that were damaged.  There's a lot to fix so I'm sure it will take a lot of work!

I walk by there every day and I NEVER see construction people working.  (How many years has the scaffolding been up?)  I wonder if Calabreeze is having financial problems with this site or an inability to perform?

Remember 668 Euclid?  These things take time.  There was a big delay with the project, but all indications we have is that it has a green light at this point.

^All indications except, maybe, for the most important one. Are there signs that there's a lot of work being done inside?  If there's one thing we've learned from all these projects it's that they're not really under way until they're really underway.

 

As long as they don't strip the paneling and let it linger and linger and linger and linger and linger and... you know, like the Atrium Building. Sure, *I* know the reason it looks the way it does but Joe Blow on the street doesn't and in turn, that gives jack@sses like Feagler more ammo to call the Euclid Corridor project a boondoggle.

 

The least they could do is plaster up a banner saying "This building looks like this because we had to strip the 70s panels off to try to qualify for historic tax credits - so quit b!tching already!".

 

Just thought I'd quote MayDay's prophetic post from 6 years ago for a quick laugh.  Yeah, I sure hope this building doesn't linger in a bombed-out stripped down state with no sign :)

 

Oh well. It's closer than ever now and will be worth the wait when it does plow ahead (if, in fact, things do seem to have slowed).

 

EDITED: to be less cranky.

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