June 30, 200915 yr Well for a few pictures that haven't been posted the building so far... For a colorized version of the picture above, http://images.ulib.csuohio.edu/cdm4/item_viewer.php?CISOROOT=/postcards&CISOPTR=1678&CISOBOX=1&REC=5 Another colorized view of the intersection, http://images.ulib.csuohio.edu/cdm4/item_viewer.php?CISOROOT=/postcards&CISOPTR=1731&CISOBOX=1&REC=7 The Hickox building that used to be across the street, http://images.ulib.csuohio.edu/cdm4/item_viewer.php?CISOROOT=/postcards&CISOPTR=1734&CISOBOX=1&REC=9 View from the East circa 1910, http://images.ulib.csuohio.edu/cdm4/item_viewer.php?CISOROOT=/postcards&CISOPTR=1743&CISOBOX=1&REC=18 Colorized view from a postcard, http://images.ulib.csuohio.edu/cdm4/item_viewer.php?CISOROOT=/postcards&CISOPTR=1746&CISOBOX=1&REC=1 Not a picture of the building but a picture from it, http://images.ulib.csuohio.edu/cdm4/item_viewer.php?CISOROOT=/postcards&CISOPTR=3142&CISOBOX=1&REC=4 Here the first floor of the building is in the background to the left, http://images.ulib.csuohio.edu/cdm4/item_viewer.php?CISOROOT=/press&CISOPTR=1220&CISOBOX=1&REC=11
June 30, 200915 yr Those photos are just heartbreaking. If you don't mind, I'm going to print a few out.
June 30, 200915 yr It would be nice...since many of our buildings were lost, if some interpretive sidewalk signage could be made with such photos on them..the best photos...to give people a glimpse into the past and what the buildings looked like. It would be a tribute to what was lost. These spectacular photos are too good to be limited to being online.
June 30, 200915 yr There are some of the corner of Prospect/East 9th embedded in the planters at Medical Mutual Plaza on that corner. They've also done the same on some of the planters around Gateway with pictures of the old neighborhood before it was demolished for the stadium.
June 30, 200915 yr There are some of the corner of Prospect/East 9th embedded in the planters at Medical Mutual Plaza on that corner. They've also done the same on some of the planters around Gateway with pictures of the old neighborhood before it was demolished for the stadium. I walk around this neighborhood every week and ive never noticed them before. Ill keep my eyes next time im through there
June 30, 200915 yr I know this is a little off topic, but look what I found in a picture of Lakeview Cemetery: I believe this Schofield designed the Soldiers and Sailors Monument....so is this the same person??
June 30, 200915 yr yes it is... architect and sculptor. He used his wife for the model on the top of the soldiers and sailors monument. This building (Euclid & 9th Tower) was originally constructed in 1902. He designed the above monument for his family burial site... and thus concludes todays history lesson. :wink:
July 1, 200915 yr Where on earth are these images embedded in the planters outside the Rose Building? I was just there and didn't see any? Embedded in just a few planters? I must have looked over at least ten planters.
July 1, 200915 yr In the medical mutual plaza at Huron Point, across from the Rose Building, imbedded in the serpentine wall closest to the street there is a series of "post card" tiles that showcase the history of the intersection. The most notable loss is the former YMCA building that has since been replaced with the parking garage attached to the Breuer site. Note the grey granite building the skybridge attaches to is the Anisfeld building which was very historic and had it's facade removed for the grey granite exterior. That facade was actually removed and thus is unsalvagable. There is also a great tribute to the central market in a planter outside of the eastern entrance to the q. And now back to the schofield building...
July 1, 200915 yr Thanks. When I quickly read "Medical Mutual Plaza" I was thinking only of the fairly standard planters outside the Medical Mutual (actually, Rose) Building. Don't forget the historic images on the HealthLine, though they're a tad different. :-)
July 2, 200915 yr Still didn't see these images, however I didn't have your description. East or west of E. 9th, as there are mini-parks along Huron on both sides. I looked on the west side, near Panini's, and didn't see the images.
July 2, 200915 yr Still didn't see these images, however I didn't have your description. East or west of E. 9th, as there are mini-parks along Huron on both sides. I looked on the west side, near Panini's, and didn't see the images. The NE corner of the intersection.
July 6, 200915 yr I took my camera over today at lunch hoping they would be getting going... no such luck. They are currently errecting a canopy out of scaffolding around the sidewalk for pedestrian safety. I asked one of the workers when he thought that would be complete. He said probably wednesday or thursday. So i would think end of the week or the very beginning of next week the "show" should start.
July 13, 200915 yr After re-reading this entire thread I still have open questions. Is this building currently occupied, if so does anyone know the rate? I thought I read that there was interest of a hotel for this, still true? What is the restoration going to look like? Back to the original?
July 13, 200915 yr They have cleared the building. The developer is still working towards a botique hotel and residences. Yes, the building will be restored to it's original state.
July 21, 200915 yr Does anyone know when the Soldiers and Sailors monument is supposed to be completed? Could it possibly be that they are trying to synchronize the re-opening of the monument with the "unveiling" of the Schofield Bldg, since they are both borne of the same architect--Levi Schofield. Or is it just very coincidental?
July 28, 200915 yr The more panelling removed from this building the worse it looks. I know they destroyed a lot of the original facade when they put the genius plastic paneling over it but I didnt think it would be this bad. They've only removed the parts that covered the columns all the way to the top, but it looks like people just took a sledgehammer and started wailing away at the original brick before covering it up. The areas where the windows are dont look that much better. Im excited at the potential for the restoration of this once beautiful building but i hope it doesnt sit there long looking like it was just bombed away at.
July 28, 200915 yr The more panelling removed from this building the worse it looks. I know they destroyed a lot of the original facade when they put the genius plastic paneling over it but I didnt think it would be this bad. They've only removed the parts that covered the columns all the way to the top, but it looks like people just took a sledgehammer and started wailing away at the original brick before covering it up. The areas where the windows are dont look that much better. Im excited at the potential for the restoration of this once beautiful building but i hope it doesnt sit there long looking like it was just bombed away at. I don't think it can sit like that for long. Having it exposed, in the condition it is in, would - in my imagination - do more harm and up the cost to repair.
July 28, 200915 yr I hope so too...unfortunately that is exactly what happened to the 668 Building and it was an embarrasment to this city for way too many years. I hope I'm wrong - but I have a feeling that just as the 668 building is restored to use - we are going to have another eyesore next door.
July 28, 200915 yr I hope so too...unfortunately that is exactly what happened to the 668 Building and it was an embarrasment to this city for way too many years. I hope I'm wrong - but I have a feeling that just as the 668 building is restored to use - we are going to have another eyesore next door. HUH??
July 28, 200915 yr unfortunately that is exactly what happened to the 668 Building and it was an embarrasment to this city for way too many years. That is exactly what im afraid of happening here. 668 was bad, but i feel that once the facade is completely removed it will look a lot worse than what 668 did, and the fact that it is on one of the busiest intersections in the city.
July 28, 200915 yr I had the same concern. If you're still months away from doing anything...and if they need to be able to see what is underneath...then why not move small portions as you would do to carpet in a house where you want to see if the floors look decent underneath? This intersection, with the vacancies on large properties, is not as busy as it has been...Maybe that would be better during restoration to spare the sight of the process.
July 28, 200915 yr As has been said already, 668 sat because it was owned by someone who wasn't interested in redeveloping it. They removed the facade to apply for tax credits so they could attract a buyer. No the case with the Schofield Building. The current owner is working to redevelop the building, so that cuts much of the lead time that we saw with 668.
July 28, 200915 yr ^Agreed, X. Though I hope that at the very least, they can add some signage so passersby are aware of the plans. clevelandskyscrapers.com Cleveland Skyscrapers on Instagram
July 28, 200915 yr This quote from McCleveland last month seems to be a good analysis of the potenital stages of this project: That being said, don't look for this to turn around that quickly. It's the nature of the beast in a project like this. First they need to get everything down. Then a restoration architect needs to go to work, and not just with drawings for restoration but cost estimates as well. Once that is complete they can apply for federal tax credits. There are also 2 future rounds of state tax credits and I'm sure they will be applying for one of them. The first round accepts applications from late July through September (with credits being awarded sometime in December I believe), and if they can't make that in time there is another round of applications in the spring that will be awarded next summer. Long story short I wouldn't expect any real movement on this building probably until next spring at the absolute earliest. And that's assuming they can cobble together financing for the project. But I don't expect it to sit as long as 668. Remember the previous owner of 668 had no interest in developing it. They peeled the facade to apply for the tax credits basically to make the building more marketable to sell... so it sat for awhile on the market. That's not the case here. They have the plan in place, once they get drawings and credits in place, provided they have funding they start (and I know they have a letter of intent signed from a botique operator). At any rate let's just enjoy the show for the time being. :)
July 29, 200915 yr That brown-and-yellow 1960s abomination of a facade has needed to go for years. We should all be thankful it's getting done, regardless of the way it looks underneath now. You've got to break a few eggs to make an omelet.
July 29, 200915 yr The more panelling removed from this building the worse it looks. I know they destroyed a lot of the original facade when they put the genius plastic paneling over it but I didnt think it would be this bad. They've only removed the parts that covered the columns all the way to the top, but it looks like people just took a sledgehammer and started wailing away at the original brick before covering it up. The areas where the windows are dont look that much better. Im excited at the potential for the restoration of this once beautiful building but i hope it doesnt sit there long looking like it was just bombed away at. Personally I don't think it looks too bad under there. I really expected it to look worse under there than it does. Sure there's lots of damage, but it looks more dirty than damaged to me. I'm excited about the potential. When finished, this is going to be a beautiful building again.
July 29, 200915 yr Any brick area that was "raised" (basically the detail) was removed. I think it could be way way worse. I will be interested to see what condition the window areas are in, as well as the areas where the skeletal system was attached.
July 29, 200915 yr Any brick area that was "raised" (basically the detail) was removed. I think it could be way way worse. I will be interested to see what condition the window areas are in, as well as the areas where the skeletal system was attached. A handful of the window areas are already partially visable on the Euclid side, and they look ok. It took a minute to see them as they're still partially obstructed by the framing for the smaller newer windows inside of them.
July 29, 200915 yr I have been unable to find it, but Mayday did a before and after pictue of the building that now houses bang and clatter near E. 4th. It is an example of how a building's facade can be restored. Anyone know where that is?
July 29, 200915 yr I have been unable to find it, but Mayday did a before and after pictue of the building that now houses bang and clatter near E. 4th. It is an example of how a building's facade can be restored. Anyone know where that is? Bang and the Clatter is on Euclid Ave just east of the May Company building on the south side of the street.
July 29, 200915 yr Sorry, I meant the before and after shots, it is somewhere on this forum. An old Euclid Ave thread I think. I am not the master of the search function this morning.
July 29, 200915 yr Sorry, I meant the before and after shots, it is somewhere on this forum. An old Euclid Ave thread I think. I am not the master of the search function this morning. http://www.urbanohio.com/forum2/index.php/topic,2055.690.html Specifically: http://www.urbanohio.com/forum2/index.php/topic,2055.0/msg,163021.html
July 29, 200915 yr Precisely! Thanks MH. The Schofield probably needs more work, but I am sure it can be done well.
July 30, 200915 yr The "funny" thing about the "Bang and Clatter" building is that it was originally symmetrical - and thus better looking with a nice balance - but lost its western section when the May Company was constructed (unless it got incorporated into the larger building, which I doubt). So it was kind of a quirky facade before the remodeling was done, which had been many decades ago. :-D
July 30, 200915 yr Some progress today on facade. There are some really nice column and brick detailing being revealed. This thing will be something when it's complete.
July 30, 200915 yr :clap: Thanks for the pics! Glad to see the fugly skin coming off. https://www.instagram.com/cle_and_beyond/https://www.instagram.com/jbkaufer/
July 30, 200915 yr great shots. those round fluted corinthean columns are sensational! I didn't even know those existed.
July 30, 200915 yr great shots. those round fluted corinthean columns are sensational! I didn't even know those existed. Bingo, quite a welcomed surprised. Nice shots 28th
July 30, 200915 yr I can't wait to see the entablature. It will all look better with a good scrub as well.
July 30, 200915 yr Nice pics! The damage doesn't appear to be that bad... Can't wait to see the skin completely off!
July 30, 200915 yr I really like the color of the brick when it's stained with soot (30 year old soot at that). Makes the building look like it was cast out of one material.
July 30, 200915 yr I really like the color of the brick when it's stained with soot (30 year old soot at that). Makes the building look like it was cast out of one material. Well keep up the good work and take pictures as pieces come down!
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