I think I read somewhere they are keeping it as-is, just in case the renovation doesn't work and they have to put it back the way it was.

 

HAHAHA

 

Schofield, Truman, and Security Federal buildings going to Design Review this Friday.  Hope some pictures are posted to the agenda page.....

 

DF 2009-088 The Schofield Building, Restoration & Adaptive Re-use

2000-2030 East 9th Street (at SW Corner of Euclid Avenue)

Project Representatives:  Jeff Smith, CRM Real Estate Services; Karen Borland, Sandvick Architects

 

DF 2009-089 The Truman Building, Rehabilitation & Adaptive Re-use

1030 Euclid Avenue

Project Representatives:  Jeff Smith, CRM Real East Services; Karen Borland, Sandvick Architects

 

DF 2009-090 Security Federal Building, Rehabilitation

1110 Euclid Avenue

Project Representatives:  Jeff Smith, CRM Real East Services; Karen Borland, Sandvick Architects 

Out of curiosity, does the owner plan to renovate regardless of state preservation credits? From everything that's been shared so far, seems like he's really passionate about the project, but I'm wondering how it would impact the timeline if they don't receive credits in Round 4.

^^Yep!

 

http://planning.city.cleveland.oh.us/designreview/drcagenda/2009/121809/index.php#gallery

From the City of Cleveland Planning Commission site, I presume provided by Sandvick Architects. Pardon my saying so, but holy sh!t will this look incredible*!!! It looks like they won't be restoring the clock tower, but I can live with that.

 

 

 

*Presuming they can get everything together. :-)

Wow, I just got significantly more excited about this project and I was already pretty excited!

I can't tell you how excited I am to see this presentation at design review tomorrow... I had heard the cupola would be included, wonder what happened...

 

and yes, the owner intends to move forward regardless, but yes they expect to recieve the tax credits in the last round... what I'm not sure of is if they will need to wait for those to be awarded (june) before moving forward...

 

 

ADD:

 

  If there is such a thing as a downer after seeing those pictures, i did just notice that on the 11th floor there was originally some really ornate decorative shields or crests between the windows... doesn't look like they are coming back, but rather being replaced with a raised square... but given the amazing restoration of the overall building, I guess I'll let it slide.  :-)

Yeah, that building fully rehabbed will be bad ass.  I can't wait to see this one completed!

That looks awesome.

 

The hotel hasn't been announced yet, has it?

Pssht..Forget the Schofield. Did you guys see the rendering of the new Hustler club on the design review page? Cant wait to make it rain...lol

Pssht..Forget the Schofield. Did you guys see the rendering of the new Hustler club on the design review page? Cant wait to make it rain...lol

 

Yeah, but we don't want to go off thread.  I'm sure you can find an appropriate thread to post your "champagne room" shenanigans!  ;)

Holy crap, it'll look amazing!

I should probably know this already, but what are the other two buildings involved? Are they just the two buildings adjacent to the Schofield?

I should probably know this already, but what are the other two buildings involved? Are they just the two buildings adjacent to the Schofield?

 

Truman and Security Federal (both included in city planning gallery linked above).

If there is such a thing as a downer after seeing those pictures, i did just notice that on the 11th floor there was originally some really ornate decorative shields or crests between the windows... doesn't look like they are coming back, but rather being replaced with a raised square... but given the amazing restoration of the overall building, I guess I'll let it slide. :-)

 

Looking at the line drawings, it appears that the shields are included.  They aren't shown in the color renderings, though.

Here are a few pics from Cleveland Memory that I don't think have been posted, both showing the Schofield Bldg.'s cupola.

 

 

 

I know I shouldn't complain about the restoration of such an absolutely gorgeous building, but *sigh*... Wish the cupola were still in the works!  Maybe it could be added back in somewhere down the line (like if it wins tax credits?)

It would be nice, but it isn't surprising for something that probably costs a bundle and generates no revenue.

I dunno ... could make a kicka*s observation deck or reading room for a penthouse suite :)

 

The reason that I was asking about the tax credits was the significant disadvantage that Cleveland faces in the proposal review now that ODOD has skewed scoring toward "underserved" communities. The fact that, based on merit of projects, we received about two-thirds of first-round tax credits and only received one in the third round kind of illustrates that point. Although Schofield would still have an advantage, as I believe commercial conversions are scored most favorably.

Observation deck, or maybe a tiki bar for a rooftop restaurant?

The reason that I was asking about the tax credits was the significant disadvantage that Cleveland faces in the proposal review now that ODOD has skewed scoring toward "underserved" communities. The fact that, based on merit of projects, we received about two-thirds of first-round tax credits and only received one in the third round kind of illustrates that point. Although Schofield would still have an advantage, as I believe commercial conversions are scored most favorably.

 

This is commonly the perception, but regional balance was only 20% of the scoring. It was definitely factors beyond this that gave other projects higher scores in Round 3. The enabling legislation calls for regional distribution and ODOD has actually reduced the percentage (50 down to 20) between the last rounds. Every applicant in the first two rounds were ultimately approved, so Cleveland's success then has much to do with its strong historic preservation community bringing in many projects. Even before the state program, Cleveland was a leader in utilizing the federal credit.

Correct Ink.  I think way too much has been made about the regional scoring.  Most I have talked to think this is set up very fair. Off hand, without looking at any of the details, I believe with the regional weighting in a 100 point scale, 20 of which comes from the regional disbursement... A place like Cinci can earn a maximum of something like 17 points, and Cleveland was slated at 13 points.  With 80% of the points being based primarily on economic development issues, for the most part the most deserving projects win out.  Also one of the reasons Cleveland had less of showing this round was significantly fewer applications.  That being said, I do know that this project was one of the highest ranking applications and after the regional disbursement scores were added they dropped to just below the line.  But if you want statewide support for a statewide project, and there are many people working in the advocacy group to get this thing renewed in one form or another... you best make sure that all places in the state have a shot at winning the awards, not just 3 cities.

 

  Regarding the Schofield redevelopment.  I was absolutely blown away at this presentation.  First in relation to said tax credits, they aren't necessarily needed to get this done, that does not mean however that they have no impact.  If they can not gain tax credits in the final round (and they are very confident, given their placement in the rankings that they will), it definitely changes the scope of what they can and can't do.  They have a lot of contingencies if credits aren't awarded, some options include scaling things back a bit, or ways the financing breaks down, even possibly breaking things into 2 phases (and I should note that multiple phases wouldn't be noticeable from the exterior of any of these three buildings really).  Obviously they have reached a thresh hold of cost which makes all this feasible.  That is the primary reason the cupola is no longer included.  It was included in an initial proposal but costs were in the 350k range, and it just didn't make sense.  Particularly when it would have been a largely decorative element (a fabulous one at that) for one of the penthouses.  So... no cupola at this time.  There is a lot that can't be divulged at this point, but there is some stuff I can share.  The proposed hotel component (whose tenant is beginning to be one of the worst kept secrets around town, but still can't be mentioned) would be on floors 3-10 with approximately 120ish rooms. Residences would comprise floors 11-14 (easily marked by the delineation of the darker shade brick on the exterior).  Ground floor would house about a 2700 sf restaurant on the Euclid / 9th intersection corner, and approx 3800 sf of divisible retail along e. 9th.  The 2nd floor holds meeting rooms on the southern half of the building and an upstairs lounge above / connected to the restaurant on the intersection corner.  And I never really noticed this before but the building is actually Shaped which leaves an interesting cove for a roof top patio on the 2nd floor.  This is really a spectacular plan the attention to detail is amazing.  Those crests on the 11th floor are set to be reinstalled, actually spelling schofield on the e. 9th side, and 901 on the Euclid side (I wonder if this is the address).

 

The main reason this building is being redeveloped in concert with the Truman and security federal buildings is parking.  They've got a fantastic plan for using the rear lower floors of those buildings as a garage for both residents of the Truman building as well as the hotel component of the schofield... all while keeping lower level retail in the Truman and security federal buildings (see developers... this can be done).  The plans for Truman and security federal were equally impressive.  Restoring the storefronts of these buildings to historic representations is going to make such a huge huge impact on this stretch of Euclid.  Also seeing the original cornice for Truman and what it will look like with the balustrade restored... yowzers.

 

at any rate, like I said there are a lot of things that aren't public right now and there is no firm date for starting as they continue to figure all this out, but as I mentioned earlier they have a substantial amount of the financing set in place, though we may have to wait until June and the final word on tax credits before they know which way to proceed... at any rate, I hope this whets your appetite a bit.

Thanks for all the info McCleve.  Truly exciting!

 

"The proposed hotel component (whose tenant is beginning to be one of the worst kept secrets around town, but still can't be mentioned)"

 

This just cant be.... with no mentioned rumors on UO.. :wink: 

Thanks for all the info McCleve.  Truly exciting!

 

"The proposed hotel component (whose tenant is beginning to be one of the worst kept secrets around town, but still can't be mentioned)"

 

This just cant be.... with no mentioned rumors on UO.. ;) 

 

LMAO

I must be clueless because I've never caught on to any rumors.

i guess it all depends on the people you talk to :)

yes, it could definitely have scored higher in the other areas and stayed above the cut, there were also only 12 projects awarded the credit... so losing those few points dropped them.

Oh... one other little bit of irony I forgot to mention.  Sandvick is leading the architectural restoration, but the owners are using Bialosky + Partners for the interiors of the building... Bialosky was the firm responsible for the metal skin.  I hope they are doing their work for free as restitution  :)

I think the "901" is probably supposed to be "1901," the year the building was built if I'm not mistaken.  The address couldn't be 901 because it's on the west side of East Ninth, thus the 900's haven't started yet.

I think the "901" is probably supposed to be "1901," the year the building was built if I'm not mistaken. The address couldn't be 901 because it's on the west side of East Ninth, thus the 900's haven't started yet.

 

It would also be on the wrong side of the street - Euclid's odd numbers are on the north end.  Also, I don't believe this building is on Euclid.  It's front door is on E 9th and a 901 address would put it up by the lake.

I've been trying to make sense of it as well... it was built in 1902

I've been trying to make sense of it as well... it was built in 1902

 

The chart in this PDF says it was 1901: http://planning.city.cleveland.oh.us/landmark/arch/pdf/archdetailPrint.php?afil=&archID=217

 

I'll be damned... I know I have read 1902 somewhere, and I've been using that date in conversations for years  :oops:, but I'm certainly not going to question landmarks research :)

 

perhaps there was a "1" in the crest tile next to the 901 and I just missed it... that would certainly make sense...

It's absolutely amazing how far this building has progressed in one year!

They'd better restore (i.e. rebuild) the corner tower, or else....

They're not going to.

They'd better restore (i.e. rebuild) the corner tower, or else....

 

I assume you mean the cupola atop the building?

Is there any construction going at all with this building?  I haven't noticed anything since the windows were removed from the dental office space.... : :?

Is there any construction going at all with this building? I haven't noticed anything since the windows were removed from the dental office space.... : :?

No construction is going on, they're waiting on historic preservation tax credits.

I wouldn't say "no" work is going on.  I passed by today about 2:30, and heard a lot of "construction noise" coming from inside the building.  Probably still working on interior demo and clean out.  Just because we can't see things doesn't mean nothing is going on.  :)

Yeah, keep in mind it's winter... in northeast Ohio. I wouldn't expect any outside construction until the spring, regardless of when they get the historic preservation tax credits.

They're working inside, aren't they?  Anyway, it's now time for them to work outside, unless they're still delayed re the tax credits.  Plenty of exterior work now possible weather-wise.  Just see what's going on at 668, for example.

i thought that they don't hear about the tax credits until June.

The project did go through zoning appeals yesterday, from office to Hotel, apartments and restaurant space:

 

Calendar No. 10-28:

        2000-30 East 9th Street     

Joe Cimperman    10 Notices

 

Schofield Properties, LLC and Euclid-Ninth Investors, LLC, owners, appeal to change use of a 14 story building from office to restaurant, hotel and apartments located in a General Retail Business District; contrary to Section 355.04 a maximum lot area coverage of 186,062 square feet is proposed where one-half the lot area that equals 21,723 square feet is permitted; no front yard is proposed and front yard regulations in Section 357.04(a) require 26 feet; and contrary to Section 357.08(b)(2) no rear yard is proposed, where the equivalent of one-half the building height or 59 feet is the required rear yard according to the provisions of the Cleveland Codified Ordinances.  (Filed 3-9-10)

 

Gotta love a zoning code that requires historic buildings in Downtown get a variance for not having a front and back yard.

^^OK, score one for the anti-zoning crowd in this case.  They needed zoning approval to put a hotel there.  Really?  And there is a max lot coverage for this lot in the middle of downtown. Really?  And a minimum 26 ft front yard and a rear yard too...Really?

^OK, score one for the anti-zoning crowd in this case.  They needed zoning approval to put a hotel there.  Really?  And there is a max lot coverage for this lot in the middle of downtown. Really?  And a minimum 26 ft front yard and a rear yard too...Really?

 

:lol:  Not to say that zoning codes cant be outdated given their original purposes???

Im guessing the minimum frontage has to do with sidewalks and consistancy with the other buildings, yet it doesnt state a maximum allowed frontage...???

The project did go through zoning appeals yesterday, from office to Hotel, apartments and restaurant space:

 

Calendar No. 10-28:

         2000-30 East 9th Street      

Joe Cimperman    10 Notices

 

Schofield Properties, LLC and Euclid-Ninth Investors, LLC, owners, appeal to change use of a 14 story building from office to restaurant, hotel and apartments located in a General Retail Business District; contrary to Section 355.04 a maximum lot area coverage of 186,062 square feet is proposed where one-half the lot area that equals 21,723 square feet is permitted; no front yard is proposed and front yard regulations in Section 357.04(a) require 26 feet; and contrary to Section 357.08(b)(2) no rear yard is proposed, where the equivalent of one-half the building height or 59 feet is the required rear yard according to the provisions of the Cleveland Codified Ordinances.  (Filed 3-9-10)

 

 

I'm ready to see what happens!!

I heard this site needs to win a Historical State Tax Credit in order to have enough financing to begin.  Work is at a standstill now and this building lost out in 2009 for the credit. 

 

I hope they get it soon because, right now, this site is a eyesore (at the corner of Main & Main).  Obviously, it has the potential to be an amazing looking project.

 

^ I was just thinking the same thing. I hope this does not wind up sitting as long at 668 did in a state of drab. Any new info. on this one? Another thing I noticed is is that the old Breuer Tower is looking worse and worse... (as in dirty) This intersection should be prime. One of the nicest buildings in all of downtown, the Rotunda, sits alone and empty.

The govenor will be in town tomorrow to announce the winners of the 4th and final (for now) round of historic tax credits.  The press conference will take place in the Plaza of the PNC building which is **Cough** **Cough** directly across from a particular building of interest. **Cough**  :)

 

wow did that feel good to type