So, the proposal is to tear down the majority of an entire neighborhood business district for a megadevelopment.  Meanwhile, there's plenty of vacant land *held* by developers that don't have enough money move forward with their projects.

 

I'm truly astounded that nearly all of you support this development, all because you think Short Vine today is bad news.  What about the buildings themselves are bad news?  What really should be under discussion is what can truly be done to promote revitalization of the Corryville CBD, *not* redevelopment of it.  This is NOT the answer.

 

It's quite interesting that because Corryville is comprised of a higher percentage of rental properties (and therefore, less opposition to horrible garbage projects such as this), the soul of the neighborhood can easily be sacrificed in favor of THIS.

 

I'm appalled!

 

Yea, I am confused.  Who on here has been supporting this development?  Surely not I. 

 

Corryville Crossings is the $24 million hotel and garage project

 

 

Anything called a "garage project" seems the wrong way to go.

Wait, THESE buildings????

Yeah, the ones on the east side opposite Bogart's. 

So, guys--what's the answer?  Corryville as a neighborhood has been virtually powerless in the face of redevelopment.  Just attending one CCC meeting last year, I heard that a development proposal for University Plaza was forwarded to the City via Uptown Consortium but skipped over the CCC entirely.  They heard about it after the fact.  Corryville has long been neglected, both by the city and by Cincinnatians from other neighborhoods.  The bad reputation of Short Vine has only been present over the past 15 years.  Prior to this, the district was an active, thriving strip.

 

So who stands up to this?  We all expect it to be someone else, but clearly the developers have won many times over.

I also wonder what the perspective of the non-student residents of the neighborhood is anyway?  Have they, too, given up on Short Vine?  What do *they* envision it to be?

 

This development proposal is clearly not designed for the neighborhood but for the transient and suburban visitor in mind.

Any major development project of this scale all but requires a parking structure, and I commend them for at least burying the garage instead of constructing an above-ground component. You can't expect everyone to take transit to such a development -- outside of buses, there is no other way to achieve outside viewership. That said, I believe it is the wrong location for such a project -- I would rather it see it go on an underused or non-historic tract within the Short Vine corridor, and that it would be an ideal match for what is a transition neighborhood between UC and the medical community.

I'm glad to see the opinions of the folks in this thread really turn on this project. This is a neglected block, but the bones of it are historic save one or two buildings. There really isn't a need to be tearing down any historic buildings in this city! On top of all of that, the last building on the block was (maybe still is) Bruce Goetzmann's office--the head of historic preservation at DAAP for many years--and is a well maintained historic town home!! The fact that anyone would have even considered this project, in this location is absolutely ridiculous. The fact that a prominent member of the very same business district would be considering this...DISGUSTING. Here's a tip for the owner of Martino's. Renovate the several buildings you already own to their former glory into an awesome bar and restaurant. Oh, and burn all the Pittsburgh sh!t while you're at it. ;)

^Goetzman and the Sub Galley owners were the last holdouts to sell a few months ago.

 

One point missed in all this discussion is the fact that a large portion of where they want to build is the city-owned parking lot behind all these buildings.  Seems like they just assume the city will sell/give this to them.

I'm glad to see the opinions of the folks in this thread really turn on this project. This is a neglected block, but the bones of it are historic save one or two buildings. There really isn't a need to be tearing down any historic buildings in this city! On top of all of that, the last building on the block was (maybe still is) Bruce Goetzmann's office--the head of historic preservation at DAAP for many years--and is a well maintained historic town home!! The fact that anyone would have even considered this project, in this location is absolutely ridiculous. The fact that a prominent member of the very same business district would be considering this...DISGUSTING. Here's a tip for the owner of Martino's. Renovate the several buildings you already own to their former glory into an awesome bar and restaurant. Oh, and burn all the Pittsburgh sh!t while you're at it. ;)

 

I always forget that's the reason I won't set foot in Martino's.  That just gave me another reason to oppose this project.

So, since the properties changed ownership already, does that mean there's no going back in terms of razing the entire block?  I realize that the project itself isn't absolutely certain, but the act of destroying the block...

They would definitely have to get demolition permits for all those buildings. Does anybody know if there are any historic guidelines for Corryville? I don't think it's a historic district, but it would be useful in this case, as the body of regulations would be against razing this block. It's also good to hear that the city owns a lot of the land needed. If the city can be convinced this is not good, it could stop them from going forward with the cost of demolition.

I'm glad to see the opinions of the folks in this thread really turn on this project. This is a neglected block, but the bones of it are historic save one or two buildings. There really isn't a need to be tearing down any historic buildings in this city! On top of all of that, the last building on the block was (maybe still is) Bruce Goetzmann's office--the head of historic preservation at DAAP for many years--and is a well maintained historic town home!! The fact that anyone would have even considered this project, in this location is absolutely ridiculous. The fact that a prominent member of the very same business district would be considering this...DISGUSTING. Here's a tip for the owner of Martino's. Renovate the several buildings you already own to their former glory into an awesome bar and restaurant. Oh, and burn all the Pittsburgh sh!t while you're at it. ;)

 

I always forget that's the reason I won't set foot in Martino's.  That just gave me another reason to oppose this project.

 

There usually are at least a couple guys in there yelling "Who-dey", if it's any consolation.

Well what I would love to see more than anything is a vibrant Corryville.  Vine used to be bustling out the ears back in the day.  Kroghetto just isn't helping one bit.

It appears very unlikely that this project is going to move forward in any way that we have seen posted in this thread thus far. The Uptown Consortium has recently offered financial and logistical support for the renovation of one of the historic buildings here that used to house Submarine Galley. The building has been completely renovated and will house a new bar called "Dive Bar" that is scheduled to open in the first week or so of May.

 

Before:

 

After:

Hey wait a second, you can't just call your bar "Dive Bar". That's for other people to determine, though what was there certainly fell into that category.

No, they actually did that.  Especially when the Sub Galley was THE dive bar in the area.

Renderings are still up showing new development on Short Vine:

 

Argh still picturing Metal Church playing live in Sudsy's while an old lady does her laundry in the back.

 

"Many many yearsss agoooooooooooo..."

Has anyone seen a recent plan for this block? Renovations are happening now:

 

That scaffolding has been up for a while, and I have yet to see any work that has been done.

That scaffolding has been up for a while, and I have yet to see any work that has been done.

 

The scaffold has been up as long as the old Sudsy's sign read "Pumpkin Slut".  There's something to be said for a bar whose final headliner was something called Pumpkin Slut. 

I'm intrigued by this..."Pumpkin Slut."

I'm intrigued by this..."Pumpkin Slut."

 

It was a thing:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f4XOIP0sUvI

 

And unfortunately two minutes of internet research reveals that the bass player in that video died of an overdose around 2009 or 2010.  So that explains why Pumpkin Slut is no more.