^Didn't someone at some point find that the basement couldn't be used for parking due to the spacing of the structural bays meaning columns would always be in the way? Or am I thinking of a different building?

A resolution will be going to Council to support Core's application for State Historic Tax credits to rehab this building. It describes the project as $29M for 230 units.

Has anybody heard an update on this project? Perhaps they're still waiting to hear from the State Historic Tax Credits. I don't recall seeing them on the list of "not-approved" projects in the last cycle, which makes me think they didn't get their application submitted in time for consideration.

 

 

With the amount of as-built documentation and schematic plans necessary as a first step for even applying for tax credits, I suspect it's just working its way through the process. 

Crosley Building was awarded historic tax credits in the latest round:

http://www.cincinnati.com/story/money/2016/06/28/tax-credits-could-spur-89m-cincinnati-development/86426414/

 

Crosley Building, Camp Washington

 

Project Cost - $45.3 million

 

Tax Credit - $5 million

 

Address - 1333 Arlington St.

 

Developer - Core Redevelopment

 

Details - Completed in 1930, the Crosley Building was the headquarters of the Crosley Radio Corp. and home to its design and manufacturing operations. The building also served as the home of WLW-AM's studios from 1930 until 1942.  The nearly 300,000-square-foot Crosley building and an adjacent building will become home to 324 market-rate apartments. This is the first Ohio Historic Preservation Tax Credit project in the Camp Washington neighborhood of Cincinnati.

Just in time to catch people getting priced out of Northside. Could Camp Washington be the next big thing, offering a cheap alternative splitting the distance between OTR and Northside?

 

Someone tell RedBike this building's going to need a station.

Back in the days of the canal I bet Camp Washington was a pretty cool neighborhood.  It was close to railroad and industrial jobs on the west side of the valley, but it also ran right up to the hills on the east in much the same way that OTR does, with a nice commercial strip on Colerain.  The canal was more of a spine with smaller and older industries lining it, whereas now I-75 and Central Parkway are significant barriers and the neighborhood. 

 

Check out this photo of the canal at Marshall Avenue, there's so much "fabric" here that's been cut apart since.

I love this photo. Any idea what the large building in the middle is with the pitched roof in the center? It resembles a school or post office. Also I always wondered if Camp Washington would benefit from a bridge connecting the north end of Colerain Ave to Central Parkway.

I love this photo. Any idea what the large building in the middle is with the pitched roof in the center? It resembles a school or post office. Also I always wondered if Camp Washington would benefit from a bridge connecting the north end of Colerain Ave to Central Parkway.

 

There is only a quarter mile of Colerain Ave that is north of the Monmouth bridge, which connects to Central Parkway. Are you suggesting an additional bridge north of Monmouth?

I love this photo. Any idea what the large building in the middle is with the pitched roof in the center? It resembles a school or post office. Also I always wondered if Camp Washington would benefit from a bridge connecting the north end of Colerain Ave to Central Parkway.

 

There is only a quarter mile of Colerain Ave that is north of the Monmouth bridge, which connects to Central Parkway. Are you suggesting an additional bridge north of Monmouth?

 

No, I know that bridge is there, but it would have been interesting had they built that bridge coming off the end of Colerain, verging off of Central, instead of the Monmouth bridge. In an ideal world both would be great and connect Camp Washington even more. But yeah, if the connection were in line with Colerain it would possibly be a more appealing detour to downtown, or at least Camp Washington if that be your destination. Camp Washington is mainly accessible from Spring Grove, which is very much detached from the Colerain Avenue business district, the highway is what makes it detached on the eastern side.

I love this photo. Any idea what the large building in the middle is with the pitched roof in the center? It resembles a school or post office. Also I always wondered if Camp Washington would benefit from a bridge connecting the north end of Colerain Ave to Central Parkway.

 

Would that be the Camp Washington Workhouse? I think it was a jail, designed by Samuel Hannaford of course.

Here's what they should do to help this project out:

 

1) extend the Central Parkway Bike Lanes to Northside- would be accessible right over the Monmouth Street bridge from this development.

 

2) Extend the streetcar to Northside in the Right of Way of the old Rapid Transit (subway,) which is supposedly being preserved through I-75 construction. That would ensure separated right of way which means a quick journey along the line making it more useful transit.

 

3) Put a stop at Monmouth Street that would be easily accessible by walking or bike from the Crosley Building

 

4) Move City Garage to the wide open old Kahn's site into modern facilities

 

5) build Transit Oriented Development at the City Garage site, increasing the population of the area to support more neighborhood businesses, both along Central Parkway and Camp Washington's Colerain Ave strip

 

Just so crazy it just might work 

 

https://cincinnatiideas.wordpress.com/northside-light-rail/

 

 

^^^ I think reconnecting Colerain on both the north and south sides would be huge for Camp Washington. It would see a lot more traffic than the Monmouth Street bridge as it would connect to destinations on all sides. Further, building off thebillshark's idea above, a streetcar/light rail line could run from downtown, potentially using the subway tunnels, and connect to Northside and up I-75/I-74 via a reconnected Colerain.

I love this photo. Any idea what the large building in the middle is with the pitched roof in the center? It resembles a school or post office. Also I always wondered if Camp Washington would benefit from a bridge connecting the north end of Colerain Ave to Central Parkway.

 

It may be this that you are seeing, Abandoned for decades before the widening of Hopple and shuffling of business led to its demolition. The Shell station is there now. http://www.oldohioschools.com/hamilton_county_files/Hamilton%20Cincinnati%20Camp%20Washington.jpg

 

^^^ I think reconnecting Colerain on both the north and south sides would be huge for Camp Washington. It would see a lot more traffic than the Monmouth Street bridge as it would connect to destinations on all sides. Further, building off thebillshark's idea above, a streetcar/light rail line could run from downtown, potentially using the subway tunnels, and connect to Northside and up I-75/I-74 via a reconnected Colerain.

 

People always suggest going through the middle of Camp Washington with the streetcar after reading that idea. There's a reason I drew the line in its own right of way along Central Parkway however:

 

https://cincinnatiideas.wordpress.com/light-rail-vs-streetcar/

 

That doesn't make wanting the streetcar to go through the heart of Camp Washigton "wrong" but it does represent a trade off.

The old Hopple Street school was farther west.  The workhouse was farther in the distance.  The building in question was on Hopple Street at the canal, leveled for the I-75 exit.  It does look like a school to me too, but it's not listed at all on my 1912 topo maps, which does label all the schools and churches and such, so my guess is it's an industrial facility of some sort.  The vents on the roof and the shop-like roofline in the back would seem to suggest as much.

The old Hopple Street school was farther west.  The workhouse was farther in the distance.  The building in question was on Hopple Street at the canal, leveled for the I-75 exit.  It does look like a school to me too, but it's not listed at all on my 1912 topo maps, which does label all the schools and churches and such, so my guess is it's an industrial facility of some sort.  The vents on the roof and the shop-like roofline in the back would seem to suggest as much.

 

Ah that one. Pretty sure that was a Tannery according to my dad who lived on Marshall ans some pics i found of it on the UC archive a while back. Ill try to track them down. On the peak of that gable was an awesome flying eagle statue that should have been moved to Music hall's facade when it was torn down.

 

 

 

Here it is, Flying Horse perhaps? Very cool old world looking building. https://drc.libraries.uc.edu/handle/2374.UC/705284

Are you guys talking about the William Powell Co.?

 

http://www.cincinnativiews.net/images-5/William%20Powell%20Co.%20Valves-225-231%20Spring%20Grove%20Ave.JPG

Flying Goose? Do you tan goose leather? Those Germans sure knew how to make some kick-ass factory buildings. This is a great angle looking down Hopple and if you zoom in on the farther back buildings you can see the school too. https://drc.libraries.uc.edu/handle/2374.UC/704609

Pretty sure that eagle is this one that was moved to Dayton Street.  I know Paul Muller at the Cincinnati Preservation Association is familiar with it. 

 

https://www.google.com/maps/@39.1191919,-84.5272891,3a,15y,182.99h,94.05t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sx8xKsCifHWq04AVu5Sz4ZQ!2e0!7i13312!8i6656?hl=en-US

If it is, that is amazing! I had no clue it could still be around. Thanks!

 

Since i went on an off topic bender, I'll get this on track by saying I hope they restore Powell Crosley's old office during the renovation. Even though it will be packed full of 300+ units and the office is in a prime location at the base of the tower it would be nice if there was space for a small museum type space in the lobby area or one of the floors to showcase the history of the company and access to tour the tiny former office space. Im sure it is all destroyed now, but up until the 90's it was still in decent shape until the vandalizing started during the Hosea years. Oh, and I call dibs on the tower condo.

Here's what they should do to help this project out:

 

1) extend the Central Parkway Bike Lanes to Northside- would be accessible right over the Monmouth Street bridge from this development.

 

2) Extend the streetcar to Northside in the Right of Way of the old Rapid Transit (subway,) which is supposedly being preserved through I-75 construction. That would ensure separated right of way which means a quick journey along the line making it more useful transit.

 

3) Put a stop at Monmouth Street that would be easily accessible by walking or bike from the Crosley Building

 

4) Move City Garage to the wide open old Kahn's site into modern facilities

 

5) build Transit Oriented Development at the City Garage site, increasing the population of the area to support more neighborhood businesses, both along Central Parkway and Camp Washington's Colerain Ave strip

 

Just so crazy it just might work 

 

https://cincinnatiideas.wordpress.com/northside-light-rail/

 

thebillshark[/member] - what is the "City Garage" site? Are you talking about the maintenance facility at the corner of Monmouth and Colerain?

https://www.google.com/maps/@39.1431897,-84.5383387,3a,75y,27.44h,87.61t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sWHLBEfl2rIj7vE965MjPFQ!2e0!7i13312!8i6656

I took it as the former inspection station and current equipment maintenance buildings at Central Parkway & Bates, though in reality both could move to Kahns and still have left over room.

 

If it is, that is amazing! I had no clue it could still be around. Thanks!

 

It is on top of the carriage house in back of the Hauck House.

Since i went on an off topic bender, I'll get this on track by saying I hope they restore Powell Crosley's old office during the renovation. Even though it will be packed full of 300+ units and the office is in a prime location at the base of the tower it would be nice if there was space for a small museum type space in the lobby area or one of the floors to showcase the history of the company and access to tour the tiny former office space. Im sure it is all destroyed now, but up until the 90's it was still in decent shape until the vandalizing started during the Hosea years. Oh, and I call dibs on the tower condo.

 

The office was not in the best shape the last time I saw it, circa 2011 or so:

 

 

The ceiling collapse seemed to be a result of being exposed to the elements, not so much vandalism, though there's obviously tons of vandalism, too. The tower is directly above this, and inside the tower there's a large water tank. The tower is really just on large, multi story height space atop the building - it could be a very cool space without the tank. The ship's ladder up to the tower roof was starting to fall apart a couple years ago so I can't imagine what it's like today.

With that many units, I could see the office being re-purposed as a multi-purpose room with some foosball, couches, TVs, and whatnot. I don't know how big the office is, but that would be pretty cool.

Impressive research, yall are good, thanks for figuring that out!

A Red Bike station at the Crosley Building and completing the Spring Grove Avenue and Central Parkway bike lanes would be amazing. Not only would this be great for Camp Washington, but it would also make Northside a lot more connected to Downtown/OTR. Over time, hopefully more development would take place along these routes and more RedBike stations would be added.

The state posted some more recent photos of the building here:

 

https://www.flickr.com/photos/63837784@N08/albums/72157670296783956/page1

I havent been there myself, but this is the first time i saw stairs in the Powell Crosley office. Any idea where they go? Surely not up to the water tank are they? From others that have been there i've heard how sketchy the tower ladder is and i can imagine it is worse with the missing windows (and ladder sections) now. I'm curious how much land they have surrounding the building and how they will use that too. Hopefully there will be plenty of outdoor & courtyard spaces spaces and for my own selfish needs rentable unfinished space in the less desirable parts for workshop/storage areas so i have no excuse moving there from my current set up in Delhi.

 

Lots of killer stuff in this thread!

I havent been there myself, but this is the first time i saw stairs in the Powell Crosley office. Any idea where they go? Surely not up to the water tank are they? From others that have been there i've heard how sketchy the tower ladder is and i can imagine it is worse with the missing windows (and ladder sections) now. I'm curious how much land they have surrounding the building and how they will use that too. Hopefully there will be plenty of outdoor & courtyard spaces spaces and for my own selfish needs rentable unfinished space in the less desirable parts for workshop/storage areas so i have no excuse moving there from my current set up in Delhi.

 

 

Those stairs go up to the top floor of the building which is not a full floor, but set back from the sides of the floor below. I believe it is where the radio studios were once located. If you look at this image below, the office is in the right corner under the tower on the top full floor (windows are darker than the rest) - the studios were a floor above that in the portion where "the authority" graffiti is. There's a narrow corridor connecting the tank in the tower, on that same level, to the studios, and those office stairs lead up into those.

 

Cool, thanks for the insider info!! Hopefully there are in progress type tours or photos as this moves along, Im sure there is tons of cool hidden history and features that will be uncovered. If that tank is removed and clear glass put into the tower windows that would be an amazing multi-story space. The could even open it up entirely like a bell tower and make it a terrace/covered lookout type space too. My suggestion would be to install a three story hanging neon sculpture in there that could be seen from I-75 as you pass by, or even an old school crosley logo to the "billboard" on the roof in neon in conjunction with their neighbors at the american sign museum.

 

 

This appears to be a significantly larger project than the circa-2011 American Can Factory redevelopment in Northside.  That one was about $22 million whereas this one will be over $40 million.  So the total cost and total number of units in the Crosley building will be more like the combined cost and number of units of the American Can + The Gantry.  So this really is a very large project as compared to what people have casually compared it to. 

^ The building is almost 300,000 square feet. American Can is about 180,000. Crosley will be significantly larger, though part of me wonders if they're going to convert the first few floors to parking. I looked quickly and didn't see any nearby land owned by the developer so they really have nowhere to put parking right now, other than in the building, unless they purchase more land.

It's been nearly a year since this building was awarded historic tax credits and I haven't heard anything since.  Anyone know what's going on?

New possible project coming to the old Kahn's sight in the future http://www.wcpo.com/news/insider/rhinegeist-owners-want-to-turn-this-empty-camp-washington-site-into-medical-pot-venture.

 

Glad redevelompent is near yet it makes me doubly sad that the city felt the need to tear this warehouse on the site down to make the property 'development ready'. With the Rhinegeist folks in the mix they could have made this place rock! https://www.google.com/maps/@39.1432187,-84.5415211,3a,75y,246.6h,92.17t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sI9ZDJpceirXwJfnG7akdAA!2e0!7i3328!8i1664

^Looks like they have long-term plans to expand brewing to that site, but need something on the land now to cover the property tax. 

The Crosley Building got one of the big $5 million historic tax credits from the state. Can't believe no one has posted that here already. With such a large credit, hopefully they can actually get the project off the ground.

The Crosley Building got one of the big $5 million historic tax credits from the state. Can't believe no one has posted that here already. With such a large credit, hopefully they can actually get the project off the ground.

 

It was posted/discussed when they earned their tax credits in Round 16, which were awarded a year ago. This is a big project, so I assume they past year has been about finalizing design and permits to begin construction... but I haven't heard any news/updates recently.

 

Here is the press release announcing Round 16 winners in June 2016:

https://development.ohio.gov/files/media/pressrelease/2016.6.28%20-%20Release%20-%20Ohio%20Historic%20Preservation%20Tax%20Credit%20Round%2016.pdf

My bad, guess I saw an old list of tax credit recipients.

All signs point to Camp Washington as next neighborhood success story

 

When it came time nearly 15 years ago to revitalize Over-the-Rhine and downtown Cincinnati, the two neighborhoods had an arsenal of redevelopment weapons at hand. The city government and its largest corporations created the Cincinnati Center City Development Corp. There was more than a billion dollars in public and private investment. Procter & Gamble, Kroger and other power brokers were on board.

 

Camp Washington has a bingo hall.

 

More below:

https://www.bizjournals.com/cincinnati/news/2017/07/27/all-signs-point-to-camp-washington-as-next.html

Can't read the story because I am too much of a grad student to pay for the subscription BUUUUT...

 

I like Camp Washington a lot and I think it has an unbeatable location... I'd be more interested in it if I knew about the environmental soil, water, and air quality. 75, the Mill Creek issues with CSOs, and all of the industries of ages past that have occupied this neighborhood keep me skeptical about the tomatoes I'd grow in my garden. Anyone have insight about pollution in Camp Washington?

I hope so. I live in the Camp and it's a bit scary at times. There is also a lot of industry mixed into the neighborhood, so people would have to be okay with that. It's also quite loud, and Hopple street is pretty dangerous and unpleasant. Also you have to be alright with drug dealers and prostitutes, because it is very much a real thing here. Never had my car messed with tho, and the people I know are very nice, but I have had some pretty lousy interactions with people while just minding my own business. I'm not saying that it isn't possible for CW to be a nice neighborhood, but there i no way that it is going to happen without some serious money coming in first.

The hill at the end of Colerain where the Cincinnati State Pedestrian bridge used to end was just cleared and leveled giving the opportunity to take in the view of the Crosley Building as well as the old Kahns property and the impound lot. Way more scenic in person than it sounds, and the view into the hills from a hopefully redone Crosley will be quite amazing one day. 

Rhinegeist purchased the old Kahn's site for $1.9 million... and they intend to use it as a beer distribution and marijuana production (pending approval from state).

 

https://www.bizjournals.com/cincinnati/news/2017/09/05/rhinegeist-purchases-lot-for-beerdistribution.html

Since Rhinegeist wasn't awarded a marijuana cultivation license, I wonder what (if anything) they'll do with their Camp Washington property now. Just use it it for beer production/distribution?

 

https://www.medicalmarijuana.ohio.gov/cultivation

 

Rhinegeist purchased the old Kahn's site for $1.9 million... and they intend to use it as a beer distribution and marijuana production (pending approval from state).

 

https://www.bizjournals.com/cincinnati/news/2017/09/05/rhinegeist-purchases-lot-for-beerdistribution.html

^were they looking at cultivation or processing? Applications for processing are due December 4-15