Most reasonable people would agree that no one anticipated the ban at private clubs and establishments.

 

you're going to have to further explain that one.

Ohio's smoking ban applies to private clubs, high court rules

Wednesday,  June 4, 2008 12:06 PM

By James Nash

 

THE COLUMBUS DISPATCH

Veterans' halls and other members-only clubs will be no-smoking zones despite Gov. Ted Strickland's quest to exempt them from the statewide smoking ban.

 

The Ohio Supreme Court extinguished the clubs' last legal case to get out from under the law that bans smoking at restaurants, bars and nearly all other public buildings.

 

 

Well that'll put a crimp in my cigar smoking at the Schvitz, but I guess it's for the greater good. Hard to argue against a provision that will protect the health of thousands of employees, just because it makes my night out moderately less enjoyable.

 

Still, nothing beat a scotch and cigar after about an hour of steam :-(

^ Well, if they could refine the law so that most bars are non-smoking, then employees and patrons alike would have the ability to choose to be in smoking or non-smoking establishments.  If a bartender smokes and would prefer to work in a bar that allows it, that's fine with me.  I don't smoke, so I'll just keep frequenting non-smoking bars.

DanB, I referring more to the "reasonable people couldn't anticipate" part of your sentence.

 

A reasonable person would have drafted a law that explicitly stated an exemption for private clubs with employees/volunteers (or based on some other criteria). This law did not, so I don't see what the confusion is about.

DanB, I referring more to the "reasonable people couldn't anticipate" part of your sentence.

 

A reasonable person would have drafted a law that explicitly stated an exemption for private clubs with employees/volunteers (or based on some other criteria). This law did not, so I don't see what the confusion is about.

 

I thought that is what this paragraph meant!

 

In fact, the 2006 law does contain an exception for private clubs, provided that they have no employees.

Judge David E. Cain of Franklin County Common Pleas Court ruled in May 2007 that there's no such thing as a private club without employees because even volunteer employees count. In a 3-0 decision in December, the Franklin County Court of Appeals backed his position.

 

I tend to think that most people voted the way they did based on a personal opinion of smoking indoors...not necessarily the detailed provisions of the measure.

^And to that point, I hardly think the clunky private clubs language is the Achilles Heel the smokers think it is.

I think the family owned business part is crap, that means that nearly every local bar will be exempt.. isn't that what this law is aiming towards?  Bars and restaurants?

And technically, every franchise restaurant establishment is owned by a family. This is just part of a long-range effort to undermine the law, which is a shame, because all of the time we've spent discussing it here was time we could've spent enjoying the full, rich taste of Winston.

you are so wrong, everyone knows:

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UyhvHB62ph8

 

10 to 40 cigarettes a day, with no ill effects!?

I think the family owned business part is crap, that means that nearly every local bar will be exempt.. isn't that what this law is aiming towards? Bars and restaurants?

 

I think a "family owned business" means that every employee is a memeber of the family.  So a bar couldn't be exempt unless there were no non-family member employees. 

My T-Zone is a force to be reckoned with.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UyhvHB62ph8

 

10 to 40 cigarettes a day, with no ill effects!?

 

Ok, first of all, what's up with the saucy wink from the little girl? I think she's you've been to one too many drive in's, young lady!

 

That said, I'm sure it was just an oversight of the "highly competent doctors" that they neglected to look beyond the ears, nose and throat.

 

Competent Doctor: "Should we check the lungs?"

Dr. Chesterfield: "Why bother? Chesterfields are so mild, so easy on the throat, they couldn't possibly have a negative effect on the lungs! Now why don't you hold my wallet. There's several hundred dollars in there....or maybe there isn't. I can't remember"

 

The scene down at Fat Shannon's on Covington's Mainstrasse:

You find that... sexy?

The scene down at Fat Shannon's on Covington's Mainstrasse:

 

 

That's a classy broad.

 

Edit: Actually that's not fair. If she lost the cig, and the blue makeup, took a shower and got a little more in focus, she might clean up nice.

More:

 

Wow, Ohio Smoking Ban Discussion = Posting pictures of people smoking? It fits together so well.

^^ Hey seicer, I don't think anyone is arguing that smoking isn't bad for you.  So in light of that, can we stop posting pics that might make me vomit?  Thanks! :-D

Smoking is never glamorous.

Hey kids, my previous message meant Shut up

A non-partisan research project. This is a continuation of earlier efforts that concluded that there were little or no financial damage to most businesses as a result of the ban. Not specifically related to Ohio, but there are exemptions to the one placed in Ohio.

 

Air in bingo halls full of toxins, report says

By Sarah Vos, Herald-Leader, July 10, 2008

 

Secondhand smoke makes the air inside Lexington's bingo halls unsafe to breathe, according to a new report by University of Kentucky researchers.

 

The report, which was released Thursday morning, said pollution inside bingo halls is 6.8 times higher than that allowed by the National Ambient Air Quality Standard for outdoor air.

 

 

Smoke ban dooms bars? Think again

 

By Jon Craig

July 10, 2008

 

COLUMBUS -- Despite predictions the state smoking ban would doom Ohio bars, there are more places to drink now than before in Greater Cincinnati and Ohio.

 

The state smoking ban, passed by Ohio voters in November 2006, began getting enforced in May 2007. It banned smoking in most public places including bars and restaurants as well as work places.

 

More:

 

http://news.cincinnati.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080710/NEWS0108/307100060

Smoking is never glamorous.

 

And clean lungs are so glamorous!

The scene down at Fat Shannon's on Covington's Mainstrasse:

 

You find that... sexy?

 

Well, we know she's okay with putting dirty things in her mouth.

 

Okay. BACK TO TOPIC!

>BACK TO TOPIC!

 

 

So anyway I'm meeting people in Kentucky tonight because they want to smoke.  And I swear those plans were made without my influence!  I'm right, all of you are wrong. 

 

 

 

Whenever we are in Cincy my partner insists we cross over to Covington so he can stock up on boxes of Kools over at that Bridge Liqours place in downtown Covington

 

Its just so honky tonk.  I feel I should be in a 50 Chevy listeing to some Hank Snow or something.

Yeah so this appeared in my inbox this evening...

 

 

Hi, you probably have little clue who I am. I was a undergrad at OU when you were a graduate student there...but I live in Cincinnati now. I most certainly saw you riding your bike up sycamore last night while I was standing outside Milton's smoking. It appears that you have some sort of show in Cincinnati now? Or something like that? Anyways, thought I would say hello. Maybe I'll see you around again.

 

Laurie

 

 

Good golley smoking ban, just look what you brought about.  Yeah so I was riding my bike back from The Commonwealth, where my people can smoke (and most definitely were) in peace, and happened to be spotted by a nice young lady from my past who was smoking outside an Ohio bar.  But come on baby, clear your throat next time and yell me back down the hill. 

 

So Pope, am I allowed to post any photos of ex-girlfriends smoking?  Because now that I think of it I think every girl I've ever gone out with smoked, at least socially.  And crack when I wasn't looking.     

 

 

 

Jake, is your bike black? I think I passed you or spotted you near there.

...But come on baby, clear your throat next time and yell me back down the hill...

 

She was probably too winded.

^More likely just speechless at the sight of my calves glistening in the night...

 

 

>Jake, is your bike black?

 

Maybe. 

^More likely just speechless at the sight of my calves glistening in the night...

 

Jake, is your bike black? I think I passed you or spotted you near there.

 

Be on the look out for this creepy dude next time.

Wait a minute. There is something wrong with that photo. Where is the cigarettes!? :)

Well this whole issue is practically dead. Its a shame that property owners lost some of their rights with the smoking ban. Im sure not all businesses lost business but im sure that the bars and restaurants in the cities that border states that dont have such bans....however thats speculative.

^ Well, it's dead for most of Ohio anyway.  In Cincinnati, it's still very much alive, as the NKY counties are currently mulling over the possibility of a similar ordinance.  I think that's why most of the recent postings have been from Cincy forumers.

>There is something wrong with that photo. Where is the cigarettes!?

 

Here they are.

 

Exhibit A:

 

*removed, sorry you missed it

 

 

Exhibit B:

 

*sorry, you missed this one too

 

Exhibit C1:

 

*this one three

 

 

Exhibit C2:

 

 

Glamorous:

 

 

Not so much:

 

 

Jake, enough.

Not related to Ohio's ban, but this is great news.

 

Asthma attacks down since Lexington smoking ban, study says

Herald-Leader, August 14, 2008

 

Asthma attacks that led to emergency room visits declined after Lexington adopted a smoking ban, according to a new study from the University of Kentucky.

 

The study showed a 22 percent decrease in asthma-related emergency room visits at four Lexington hospitals after the city adopted a ban on smoking in most public places in 2004.

 

Click link for more.

Not related to Ohio's ban, but this is great news.

 

 

The study showed a 22 percent decrease in asthma-related emergency room visits at four Lexington hospitals after the city adopted a ban on smoking in most public places in 2004.

 

 

Did it really? Did the admissions in the previous period have information on the claim saying "patient was at smoky bar"?

 

I don't deny the fact that less smoky bars probably equals less asthma attacks. But attributing the entire 22% decrease to the smoking ban seems a tenuous link at best.

As circumstantial evidence goes, it IS pretty sexy.

Not related to Ohio's ban, but this is great news.

 

 

The study showed a 22 percent decrease in asthma-related emergency room visits at four Lexington hospitals after the city adopted a ban on smoking in most public places in 2004.

 

 

Did it really? Did the admissions in the previous period have information on the claim saying "patient was at smoky bar"?

 

I don't deny the fact that less smoky bars probably equals less asthma attacks. But attributing the entire 22% decrease to the smoking ban seems a tenuous link at best.

 

I'm sensing a smoker in the bunch.

The study did not allude to this, and another article on WKYT-TV stated that the entire 22% decrease is not being attributed just to the smoking ban -- but that people have also quit smoking in general as a result of the ban or for health/monetary reasons.

I'm guessing with an emphasis on the monetary.

Ohio struggles with smoking ban

http://news.cincinnati.com/article/20081208/NEWS01/312080008/1055/NEWS

 

Two years after Ohio voters overwhelmingly passed a smoking ban in public places, officials are struggling to enforce the law.

 

Just 5 percent of complaints investigated by officials across the state have resulted in fines. The appeals process can drag on for months.

 

 

I'll tell ya.  I hate going over to Kentucky to a bar or venue, where there's free reign to smoke.  Usually I'll leave my coat in the car, even during the winter, so I don't smell like an ashtray from other people's smoke.

 

When I was at the Mad Hatter last week, I had to leave the show early because I felt so queasy.  So much smoke.

^^Even if they can't enforce it, it cuts down on the 99% of the smoke you encounter in bars.  I can tolerate one person smoking, and I can likewise avoid one bar that isn't abiding by the ban.  I could frankly care less if it gets "enforced" at all, given the widespread compliance I've seen in Cincinnati bars.