Ohio Smoking Ban

November 9, 200618 yr

I thought Ohio was the 15th state. Ragerunner lists 17 besides us. Who knows.

I think he is confusing "cities, counties and municipalities" that have 100% smoke free laws in place of employment* (see list below) with STATES that ban it out right in any public place

Check this list: http://www.no-smoke.org/pdf/100ordlisttabs.pdf

November 9, 200618 yr

Rage Runner have you ever been to salt lake city?

there is an extremely large private club scene to get around the state's restrictive liquor laws. Twenty dollar handshakes still do work.

thank you, and good day.

Ahhh.....why do people live there?? When I was there right before and during the olympics, if you were at an establishment, you could order (buy) ONE drink. If you wanted/wished to order a second drink, it had to be in conjunction with a food purchase. :wtf:

I'm not a big drinker, but I was like damn!

Utah is/was very ANTI ---> :drunk:

November 9, 200618 yr

^which is why you go to the private clubs. say good bye to 3:2 beer!

November 9, 200618 yr

we'll end up just like salt lake city!

its either that or I join the elks lodge

You act like Ohio and Utah are the only states with smoking bans. Here is a list of States that have smoking bans, Florida, Alaska, Arkansas, California, Colorado, Connecticut, Delware, Georgia, Hawaii, Idaho, Maine, Massachusetts, New Jersey, New York, Rhode Island, South Dakota, Washington State, with many cities and counties across the country as well.

Florida & Georgia?? Did they just pass legislation at this tuesdays election?

This is the site were I got my info. http://www.urbanohio.com/forum2/index.php?topic=5775.240#quickreply

Florida has had a statewide smoking ban since 2003 and Georgia since 2005. Now each state does have some difference in where the ban is in force.

November 9, 200618 yr

we'll end up just like salt lake city!

its either that or I join the elks lodge

You act like Ohio and Utah are the only states with smoking bans. Here is a list of States that have smoking bans, Florida, Alaska, Arkansas, California, Colorado, Connecticut, Delware, Georgia, Hawaii, Idaho, Maine, Massachusetts, New Jersey, New York, Rhode Island, South Dakota, Washington State, with many cities and counties across the country as well.

Florida & Georgia?? Did they just pass legislation at this tuesdays election?

This is the site were I got my info. http://www.urbanohio.com/forum2/index.php?topic=5775.240#quickreply

Florida has had a statewide smoking ban since 2003 and Georgia since 2005. Now each state does have some difference in where the ban is in force.

I go to Atlanta twice a month every month...they smoke in some restaurants and at every bar. I just got back from Miami, Orlando and Tampa - same thing - smokers in restaurants, bars galore. granted most of FLs restaurants have outdoor seating so they have a "designated" place to smoke and dine.

November 9, 200618 yr

Rage Runner have you ever been to salt lake city?

there is an extremely large private club scene to get around the state's restrictive liquor laws. Twenty dollar handshakes still do work.

thank you, and good day.

Ahhh.....why do people live there?? When I was there right before and during the olympics, if you were at an establishment, you could order (buy) ONE drink. If you wanted/wished to order a second drink, it had to be in conjunction with a food purchase. :wtf:

I'm not a big drinker, but I was like damn!

Utah is/was very ANTI ---> :drunk:

Yes,

I have been to Utah several times and even live there for a couple of years. My point was on smoking not drinking. But you are right, Utah has the most stringent state drink policy in the country. This become a whole other topic.

November 9, 200618 yr

we'll end up just like salt lake city!

its either that or I join the elks lodge

You act like Ohio and Utah are the only states with smoking bans. Here is a list of States that have smoking bans, Florida, Alaska, Arkansas, California, Colorado, Connecticut, Delware, Georgia, Hawaii, Idaho, Maine, Massachusetts, New Jersey, New York, Rhode Island, South Dakota, Washington State, with many cities and counties across the country as well.

Florida & Georgia?? Did they just pass legislation at this tuesdays election?

This is the site were I got my info. http://www.urbanohio.com/forum2/index.php?topic=5775.240#quickreply

Florida has had a statewide smoking ban since 2003 and Georgia since 2005. Now each state does have some difference in where the ban is in force.

I go to Atlanta twice a month every month...they smoke in some restaurants and at every bar. I just got back from Miami, Orlando and Tampa - same thing - smokers in restaurants, bars galore. granted most of FLs restaurants have outdoor seating so they have a "designated" place to smoke and dine.

I do know that the Georgia's law has some flexability in it. But, I just moved here from Florida (were I live for 5 years) and I can tell you, that you are not permitted to smoke in any public indoor space in the state, period. Yes, many establishments do allow smoking through outdoor dining areas, and you will see many of the restaurants in Ohio do the same. Just the weather will be a 'little' different for about 5 months.

November 9, 200618 yr

we'll end up just like salt lake city!

its either that or I join the elks lodge

You act like Ohio and Utah are the only states with smoking bans. Here is a list of States that have smoking bans, Florida, Alaska, Arkansas, California, Colorado, Connecticut, Delware, Georgia, Hawaii, Idaho, Maine, Massachusetts, New Jersey, New York, Rhode Island, South Dakota, Washington State, with many cities and counties across the country as well.

Florida & Georgia?? Did they just pass legislation at this tuesdays election?

This is the site were I got my info. http://www.urbanohio.com/forum2/index.php?topic=5775.240#quickreply

Florida has had a statewide smoking ban since 2003 and Georgia since 2005. Now each state does have some difference in where the ban is in force.

I go to Atlanta twice a month every month...they smoke in some restaurants and at every bar. I just got back from Miami, Orlando and Tampa - same thing - smokers in restaurants, bars galore. granted most of FLs restaurants have outdoor seating so they have a "designated" place to smoke and dine.

I do know that the Georgia's law has some flexability in it. But, I just moved here from Florida (were I live for 5 years) and I can tell you, that you are not permitted to smoke in any public indoor space in the state, period. Yes, many establishments do allow smoking through outdoor dining areas, and you will see many of the restaurants in Ohio do the same. Just the weather will be a 'little' different for about 5 months.

Then tell that to the folks, at the Delano & The Ritz-Carlton, where some freak asked my nephew is he wanted to share his cigar!

Tell that to the folks at a mirad of clubs/bars on Ocean or Washington

November 9, 200618 yr

Stand-alone bars and smoking rooms in hotels are exempt in the Florida code. I do believe that there is some language that defines what a Stand-alone bar is. I believe it has to do with the ratio of food sales to overall sales for the establishment. With that said, Florida does have a statewide smoking ban that is very strict.

November 9, 200618 yr

Stand-alone bars and smoking rooms in hotels are exempt in the Florida code. I do believe that there is some language that defines what a Stand-alone bar is. I believe it has to do with the ratio of food sales to overall sales for the establishment. With that said, Florida does have a statewide smoking ban that is very strict.

If you can smoke in a stand-alone bar in Florida, then the smoking ban is not very strict.

November 9, 200618 yr

Stand-alone bars and smoking rooms in hotels are exempt in the Florida code. I do believe that there is some language that defines what a Stand-alone bar is. I believe it has to do with the ratio of food sales to overall sales for the establishment. With that said, Florida does have a statewide smoking ban that is very strict.

If you can smoke in a stand-alone bar in Florida, then the smoking ban is not very strict.

I guess its what your opinion and my opinion of strict is? The point is the states I listed have statewide smoking bans. Many of the states don't allow smoking in stand-alone bars neither.

November 9, 200618 yr

Stand-alone bars and smoking rooms in hotels are exempt in the Florida code. I do believe that there is some language that defines what a Stand-alone bar is. I believe it has to do with the ratio of food sales to overall sales for the establishment. With that said, Florida does have a statewide smoking ban that is very strict.

We we're in the Lobby of the Ritz-Carlton, as I was in the process of taking the kids out to the beach, but I needed to leave something for my sister in law. Next thing I know, this piece of EuroTrash, lights up right there. I ask my nephew, who is 5, to stop staring, then the jackass asks him if he wants a puff!

Its not a statwide ban, ON ALL PUBLIC SMOKING, only a certain places of employment. Please read page 13 of my 9:56AM post.

November 9, 200618 yr

Stand-alone bars and smoking rooms in hotels are exempt in the Florida code. I do believe that there is some language that defines what a Stand-alone bar is. I believe it has to do with the ratio of food sales to overall sales for the establishment. With that said, Florida does have a statewide smoking ban that is very strict.

If you can smoke in a stand-alone bar in Florida, then the smoking ban is not very strict.

I guess its what your opinion and my opinion of strict is? The point is the states I listed have statewide smoking bans. Many of the states don't allow smoking in stand-alone bars neither.

People pass smoking bans because they want smokefree bars and restaurants (who can smoke at at work anyways??). If stand-alone bars are not included in that restriction, then the restriction is only going halfway as compared to other states' restrictions. If Florida is considered strict, then Ohio's would have to be considered Gestapo-esque. (Vulpster and Pope--no comments please)

November 9, 200618 yr

I think we can safely leave the fucking Nazi's out of this already. That sound reasonable? Burning millions of people in ovens is not on the same moral ground as wanting smoke-free public spaces.

November 9, 200618 yr

I am just glad that in less than 30 days I (and my family) can breath a little easier in most public spaces in the state of Ohio.

November 9, 200618 yr

People pass smoking bans because they want smokefree bars and restaurants (who can smoke at at work anyways??). If stand-alone bars are not included in that restriction, then the restriction is only going halfway as compared to other states' restrictions. If Florida is considered strict, then Ohio's would have to be considered Gestapo-esque. (Vulpster and Pope--no comments please)

woah woah woah, keep me unassociated with that right wing fascist.

November 9, 200618 yr

I do wonder if a chunk of the nightlife/entertainment economy is going to be sucked into other states in border towns like Cincy, Toledo, Youngstown because of people going to party/bowl/bingo/...etc where they can smoke? Could it lead to higher drunk driving instances because of increased driving distance too?

It didn't hurt NYC, but NYC is an island on it's own with a captive audience. I don't think Columbus, Cleveland, Dayton and Akron would be that affected by it either.

November 9, 200618 yr

I do wonder if a chunk of the nightlife/entertainment economy is going to be sucked into other states in border towns like Cincy, Toledo, Youngstown because of people going to party/bowl/bingo/...etc where they can smoke? Could it lead to higher drunk driving instances because of increased driving distance too?

It didn't hurt NYC, but NYC is an island on it's own with a captive audience. I don't think Columbus, Cleveland, Dayton and Akron would be that affected by it either.

I'm sure by the end of January we'll see a slew of poorly written articles having either joe schmo or suzy snowflake talking about their bar/restaurant blabbering about a rise or lowering of revenue

November 9, 200618 yr

I think we can safely leave the fucking Nazi's out of this already. That sound reasonable? Burning millions of people in ovens is not on the same moral ground as wanting smoke-free public spaces.

That all depends on how bad you're jonesing.

November 9, 200618 yr

I think we can safely leave the fucking Nazi's out of this already. That sound reasonable? Burning millions of people in ovens is not on the same moral ground as wanting smoke-free public spaces.

That all depends on how bad you're jonesing.

Jonesing for a smoke free environment or jonesing for a cigarette?

Side note: It should be fun to see how creative some restaurants will go to get an area called a patio. In Ontario's Ban, rooms area exposed to the elements was a criteria, so a handful of Restaurants Just installed some garage door windows and some space heaters (obviously not for the whole restaurant). You did end up with some pretty sweet patios (though filled with smoke).

November 9, 200618 yr

November 9, 200618 yr

^ "Just a pinch between your cheek and gum..."

Notice how they always left out "teeth."

November 9, 200618 yr

I think we can safely leave the fucking Nazi's out of this already. That sound reasonable? Burning millions of people in ovens is not on the same moral ground as wanting smoke-free public spaces.

RV, don;t you know the rules for internet discussions??????

November 9, 200618 yr

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin's_law

November 9, 200618 yr

I think we can safely leave the fucking Nazi's out of this already. That sound reasonable? Burning millions of people in ovens is not on the same moral ground as wanting smoke-free public spaces.

I think that I was a bit misunderstood. :)

November 10, 200618 yr

Okay, I realize this is a lot of sh!t to read. But I post it because it seems that unlike most issues, the local papers today hit this one particularly hard. I include these because local residents give their input on the ban in their own areas. This conversation is likely to last for some time.

From the 11/9/06 DDN:

Smoking indoors to end on Dec. 7

By Anthony Gottschlich and Mark Fisher

Staff Writers

Thursday, November 09, 2006

Smoke 'em if you got 'em, drinkers and bar patrons.

In 28 days, it will be illegal in Ohio to light up indoors in public places and workplaces, including such smoky havens as bars, restaurants, bowling alleys and bingo halls (unless they're private clubs).

The new state law would ban smoking in public places and workplaces except:

• Private residences.

• Smoking rooms in hotels and motels.

• Designated smoking rooms for nursing home residents, tobacco stores, outdoor patios, private clubs and family-owned businesses.

The law also will:

• Authorize a minimum standard to protect workers and the public from secondhand tobacco smoke.

• Require posting of "No Smoking" signs and removal of ashtrays from places where smoking is prohibited.

• Specify duties of Department of Health to enforce the smoking restrictions.

• Create a smoke free indoor air fund.

• Provide for enforcement of smoking restrictions and civil fines on anyone who violates the restrictions.

Issue 5, Smoke Free Ohio, smoked Issue 4, Smoke Less Ohio, at the ballot box Tuesday.

Issue 4, which would have allowed smoking in bars and restaurants, failed 64 to 36 percent. Issue 5 passed 58 to 42 percent.

From the 11/9/06 Toledo Blade:

State must add fine print, enforcement to new no-smoking law

By JIM PROVANCE

BLADE COLUMBUS BUREAU

COLUMBUS - Smokers in bars, restaurants, and most other businesses must stamp out their cigarettes by Dec. 7, but it could be half a year before those who defy the law face the threat of fines.

The new law voters approved Tuesday calls for the Ohio Department of Health to hammer out details on how complaints would be handled, who would investigate, and how far outdoors smokers must step away from entrances and exits.

ISSUE 5

Smoking goes poof on Dec. 7

Thursday, November 09, 2006

Tim Doulin , Debbie Gebolys and Holly Zachariah

THE COLUMBUS DISPATCH

The lunch crowd at Champps in Lennox Town Center doesn’t usually eat in a smoke-filled haze. But yesterday, a day after voters passed a statewide smoking ban, some customers thought that any puffing was too much.

"At least half (of the lunchtime customers) asked why the ban’s not in effect now," host Chris Formen said at the restaurant in Clinton Township. "Everybody thought it was an immediate thing."

Issue 5 won by a resounding margin at the polls Tuesday. But the measure won’t take effect until Dec. 7, according to the Ohio Department of Health.

And it may be late spring or early summer before warnings are issued and fines imposed on individuals and business owners who violate the law.

From the 11/9/06 Enquirer:

Smoking just got harder

BY CLIFF PEALE, JOHN ECKBERG AND POLLY CAMPBELL | ENQUIRER STAFF WRITERS

No lighting up at Rick's Tavern in Fairfield while watching the weekly Bengals Live radio show.

No relaxing with a cigarette after striking out at Western Bowl in Bridgetown.

No puffing at the Machine Room Grille at Great American Ball Park, although it isn't clear whether you could leave the restaurant and go to designated areas on the Terrace and View level concourses.

From the 11/9/06 DDN:

Shop owners chime in on butts-out law

Some expect their businesses will flame out when patrons can't light up. Others see the opposite.

By Anthony Gottschlich and Mark Fisher

Staff Writers

Thursday, November 09, 2006

At the Dublin Pub near the Oregon Historic District, a humidor of cigars stretches from floor to ceiling near an expired campaign sign that reads, "Let My Bar Decide. Vote Yes on Issue 4. The Common Sense Smoking Ban."

But Issue 4 failed Tuesday, and Issue 5, a law that bans smoking in all public places and work places, including bars and restaurants like the Dublin Pub, prevailed.

From the 11/9/06 Youngstown Vindicator:

Official: Issue 5 makes compliance a little easier

Clean indoor air was the issue from the beginning, an ACS spokesman said.

By WILLIAM K. ALCORN

VINDICATOR STAFF WRITER

If everybody has to go smoke-free, it should be a wash — a level playing field, says John Raptis of the Yankee Kitchen Restaurant in Vienna.

Raptis was reacting to the passage Tuesday of a state law prohibiting indoor smoking in public places.

Before passage of Issue 5, a major concern of business owners about making their establishments smoke-free was the potential loss of customers.

Now, there is no alternative, Raptis said.

"If they like our food, our prices, our service and atmosphere, hopefully they will continue to patronize us," said Raptis, son of Nick Raptis, the restaurant's co-owner.

From the 11/9/06 Warren Tribune Chronicle:

No smoke signals needed

By BILL RODGERS Tribune Chronicle

WARREN — Residents and bar owners around the region weighed in Wednesday with their opinions on what life will be like with the passage of a ban on smoking in most public places.

‘‘You can’t relax anywhere now,’’ said Tony Bellatto, who owns the Havana House cigar shop in Niles.

With 98.72 percent of Tuesday’s statewide vote counted, Issue 5 — ‘‘The Smoke Free Ohio’’ law — was approved by 58.3 percent of the votes.

Upon certification of the vote, passage of the issue would make Ohio the 15th state to pass smokefree legislation. Ohio would join states like New York and California.

From the 11/9/06 Canton Repository:

Ohio votes to go smoke free

BY DIANA ROSSETTI

REPOSITORY LIVING SECTION WRITER

From upscale dining spots to neighborhood bars and everything in between, the Tuesday passage of Issue 5 means the times they are a'changin. And soon.

Stark County voters mirrored state results supporting a smoking ban in all buildings outside the home except for tobacco shops, designated hotel rooms and enclosed areas in nursing homes.

At Ashton's Bar & Grille, 2900 Eighth St. NE, a large sign outside urged "Keep Smoking in Bars. Vote Yes on Issue 4 Nov. 7."

From the 11/9/06 Springfield News-Sun:

Businesses to go 'no smoking'

By Natalie Morales

Staff Writer

Thursday, November 09, 2006

In 29 days, restaurant hostesses will no longer ask "Smoking or non-smoking?" which worries some local venues that they'll seat less patrons altogether.

Ohio voters Tuesday passed Issue 5, the Smoke Free Ohio ban, which prohibits smoking in public places and workplaces.

The elections results surprised Bill Hart, owner of Joe's U.S. 40 Grille, which offers customers a smoking section.

Hart said he thinks the ban will cause a decrease in revenue at first but will bounce back eventually.

From the 11/9/06 Newark Advocate:

Smoking ban worries businesses

Owners argue smokers will avoid venues

By MARK SZAKONYI

Advocate Reporter

NEWARK -- The smoke-filled atmosphere probably won't be the only thing missing from the Triangle Bar when the statewide smoking ban passed Tuesday goes into effect in December.

James Church said he either will stop going to the Newark bar or visit less frequently when the time comes when he can't smoke a Winston while he drinks his beer.

From the 11/9/06 Marion Star:

Smoke 'em if you got 'em ... for now Ohio will be smokefree on Dec. 8

Business owners blast impact of Issue 5 ban

By JOHN JARVIS

The Marion Star

MARION - Passage of a statewide smoking ban may be more than a bump in the road for some bowling alleys and bars where smokers comprise the majority of the clientele.

Phil Stephenson, owner of Star Lanes, 1754 Marion-Marysville Road, said he's disappointed in voter approval Tuesday of Issue 5, which prohibits smoking inside public places and places of employment beginning Dec. 8.

"The National Bowling Proprietors have done studies that show when they do ban smoking in the first year there's an immediate drop of 28 percent of league bowlers," Stephenson said. "I don't know, it's getting to the point where I wonder at times what our society's about."

From the 11/9/06 Mansfield News Journal:

Smokers: Don't plan to light up when you go out

By Angel N. Ross

News Journal

MANSFIELD -- Richard Horning said he has a personal reason for being 100 percent in favor of the smoking ban passed by Ohio voters Tuesday.

"I lost my wife to lung cancer," said Horning, himself a former smoker. "The damage it (smoking) does to people" is terrible.

Horning said he realizes some business owners are complaining about the new law but thinks non-smokers should have rights, too.

"People who don't smoke get fed up with dealing with smoke," he said.

From the 11/9/06 Chillicothe Gazette:

Smoking ban enforcement now on table

By LOREN GENSON

Gazette Staff Writer

"Smoking or non?" no longer will be the greeting at restaurants in Ross County.

Fifty-eight percent of Ohio voters voted for Issue 5, a law to ban smoking in most public places, according to the unofficial vote count. The new law will take effect Dec. 8, and will improve the health of Ohio residents, said Ross County Health Commissioner Tim Angel.

"I've talked to several other county health commissioners today about this," Angel said. "Everyone I talked to agreed this is a tremendous step for public health."

There are some concerns the law infringes on the rights of citizens to smoke when and where they want to. Bill McCall, of Chillicothe, worried about someday losing his right to vote.

From the 11/9/06 Massillon Independent:

Local restaurant owners, smokers prepare for ban

By ERIN PUSTAY

[email protected]

Twenty-eight days from now there will only be beer, wings and trivia at Buffalo Wild Wings in Massillon. That thin veil of smoke that hangs in the air over the bar area will be gone.

The same is true of every bar in Stark County and across Ohio after voters overwhelmingly passed Issue 5 – a law banning smoking in all public places including bars, restaurants, bowling alleys and bingo halls. Unofficial results have the issue winning by a margin of more than 611,000 votes.

Read more:

From the 11/9/06 Oxford Press:

Issue 5 presents little problem

By Simon Cheung

Staff Writer

Friday, November 10, 2006

Ohioans voted yes on Issue 5 Tuesday, effectively saying no to smokers in public places.

The two contentious smoking issues butted heads in the ballot booths over who can smoke where in Ohio. Issue 5, the state law Smoke Free Ohio, came out on top, grabbing over 58 percent of the voters with 86 percent of the Ohio precincts reporting.

November 10, 200618 yr

what the heezy is the clean indoor air fund?

damn liberals creating a larger bureaucracy already!

November 10, 200618 yr

I'm not quite sure why people keep blaming the "government" for banning smoking. It was the PEOPLE that voted on this issue. If both issues would have failed, then things would have been the same...am I wrong?

November 10, 200618 yr

1) nearly everything i say is not meant to be taken seriously (especially posts less than one or two lines long)

2) if both issues passed, there would have been some adjustment to restaurants here in cuyahoga (and across the state), but bans such as Columbus' would have been rescinded.

November 10, 200618 yr

Posted this elsewhere ... but seemed appropriate here, too.

Not a single county passed Issue 4 AND defeated Issue 5. The race came down to counties that favored Issue 5 and disfavored Issue 4 (72 counties) and those counties that disfavored both issues (16). I was also interested to see that counties that were against both measures tended NOT to be directly bordering another state; of the 16 counties that voted against both 4 and 5, only 2 bordered Indiana (Paulding and Preble) and 2 bordered Kentucky (Adams and Brown).

Greatest support for Issue 5: Delaware Co., 69.0%

Least support for Issue 5: Brown Co., 40.1%

Greatest support for Issue 4: Lawrence Co., 49.5%

Least support for Issue 4: Greene Co., 28.2%

The 3 Cs (well, their respective counties)

Franklin County: 64.1% FOR Issue 5, 34.9% FOR Issue 4

Cuyahoga County: 61.8% FOR Issue 5, 35.7% FOR Issue 4

Hamilton County: 60.7% FOR Issue 5, 35.8% FOR Issue 4

November 10, 200618 yr

Hamilton County: 60.7% FOR Issue 5, 35.8% FOR Issue 4

So much for the angle floated by the "Everybody'll Go Smoke in NKY" crowd.

Smoking bans are NOT bad for business. In fact, Cinci may actually start drawing a crowd from the smokey side of the river.

We shall see...

November 10, 200618 yr

The Great Lakes Brewing Company went smoke-free about three years ago. Business went up about 10% after the switch.

November 10, 200618 yr

Smoking bans are NOT bad for business. In fact, Cinci may actually start drawing a crowd from the smokey side of the river.

Agree! I can finally go to a Bowling Alley and not smell of smoke and I still light up a cigar every now and then. I am happy this passed. I always said that it would have been foolish for Cincinnati to enact a smoking ban alone but collective with the state, it is great.

NKY is also the only major Kentucky region without a smoking ban indoors. I guess NKY isn't as progressive as Louisville & Lexington. ;)

November 10, 200618 yr

If banning smoking is so terrific for business, businesses would have done it on their own years ago. For the last goddamn time, nobody forces you to either work at or patronize a smokey restaurant or bar. If you don't like smoke, don't go there and don't fill out an application. Pretty soon loud music will be banned because it can damage the ears of patrons and workers. Again, either don't go or bring ear plugs. Then it'll be the next thing and then the next thing. It's like what did MADD do after getting the drinking age raised to 21? Then it got the blood alcohol level lowered to 1.0. Then it fought to make it 0.8. Next they'll fight to get it to 0.6 because -- surprise -- "studies" say alcohol makes safe driving impossible at that level. And they'll send you to jail for a month for a crime you just got a $75 ticket for back in 1983.

This all is a classic example of how people want the government to coddle them and I think people who vote for these kinds of things get a sort of self-righteous emotional swell when they punch that little dot and when the graphic comes up on the TV saying it passed. That's what this is really about.

November 10, 200618 yr

If banning smoking is so terrific for business, businesses would have done it on their own years ago. For the last goddamn time, nobody forces you to either work at or patronize a smokey restaurant or bar. If you don't like smoke, don't go there and don't fill out an application. Pretty soon loud music will be banned because it can damage the ears of patrons and workers. Again, either don't go or bring ear plugs. Then it'll be the next thing and then the next thing. It's like what did MADD do after getting the drinking age raised to 21? Then it got the blood alcohol level lowered to 1.0. Then it fought to make it 0.8. Next they'll fight to get it to 0.6 because -- surprise -- "studies" say alcohol makes safe driving impossible at that level. And they'll send you to jail for a month for a crime you just got a $75 ticket for back in 1983.

This all is a classic example of how people want the government to coddle them and I think people who vote for these kinds of things get a sort of self-righteous emotional swell when they punch that little dot and when the graphic comes up on the TV saying it passed. That's what this is really about.

lol

November 10, 200618 yr

No, this is actually a classic example of an overwhelming majority of citizens and consumers supporting an issue with an immediate, sustained, and measurably positive impact on public health and commerce. To say it's about anything else is hysterical sour grapes.

November 10, 200618 yr

I am just glad that in less than 30 days I (and my family) can breath a little easier in most public spaces in the state of Ohio.

Does your family have asthma or something that would prevent you from "breathing easy"? Bummer.

November 10, 200618 yr

I am just glad that in less than 30 days I (and my family) can breath a little easier in most public spaces in the state of Ohio.

Does your family have asthma or something that would prevent you from "breathing easy"? Bummer.

Hilarious. Absolutely hilarious.

from http://www.epa.gov/smokefree/

Secondhand Smoke Can Make Children Suffer Serious Health Risks

Breathing secondhand smoke can be harmful to children's health including asthma, Sudden Infant Death Syndrome (SIDS), bronchitis and pneumonia and ear infections. Children's exposure to secondhand smoke is responsible for:

increases in the number of asthma attacks and severity of symptoms in 200,000 to 1 million children with asthma;

between 150,000 and 300,000 lower respiratory tract infections (for children under 18 months of age); and,

respiratory tract infections resulting in 7,500 to 15,000 hospitalizations each year.

The developing lungs of young children are severely affected by exposure to secondhand smoke for several reasons including that children are still developing physically, have higher breathing rates than adults, and have little control over their indoor environments. Children receiving high doses of secondhand smoke, such as those with smoking mothers, run the greatest risk of damaging health effects.

November 10, 200618 yr

This guy says, "Thank You" ;)

November 10, 200618 yr

I am just glad that in less than 30 days I (and my family) can breath a little easier in most public spaces in the state of Ohio.

Does your family have asthma or something that would prevent you from "breathing easy"? Bummer.

I have asthma myself. When my asthma acts up, it is nearly impossible to find a place to go and have a drink.

Before we got married, my husband was leaning against smoking bans. He changed his mind after watching me gasp for air a few times.

November 10, 200618 yr

I am just glad that in less than 30 days I (and my family) can breath a little easier in most public spaces in the state of Ohio.

Does your family have asthma or something that would prevent you from "breathing easy"? Bummer.

Hilarious. Absolutely hilarious.

What is hilarious?

November 10, 200618 yr

I am just glad that in less than 30 days I (and my family) can breath a little easier in most public spaces in the state of Ohio.

Does your family have asthma or something that would prevent you from "breathing easy"? Bummer.

Hilarious. Absolutely hilarious.

from http://www.epa.gov/smokefree/

Secondhand Smoke Can Make Children Suffer Serious Health Risks

Breathing secondhand smoke can be harmful to children's health including asthma, Sudden Infant Death Syndrome (SIDS), bronchitis and pneumonia and ear infections. Children's exposure to secondhand smoke is responsible for:

increases in the number of asthma attacks and severity of symptoms in 200,000 to 1 million children with asthma;

between 150,000 and 300,000 lower respiratory tract infections (for children under 18 months of age); and,

respiratory tract infections resulting in 7,500 to 15,000 hospitalizations each year.

The developing lungs of young children are severely affected by exposure to secondhand smoke for several reasons including that children are still developing physically, have higher breathing rates than adults, and have little control over their indoor environments. Children receiving high doses of secondhand smoke, such as those with smoking mothers, run the greatest risk of damaging health effects.

I'm not trying to be insensitive, especially against those with asthma.

But, given your post from the EPA, do we have any information about the damage done to children (now our parents and grandparents) when people smoked just about anywhere they wanted to (early 1900's to around early to mid 80's)? Or is second-hand smoke somehow, uh, more damaging now?

November 10, 200618 yr

I need to reiterate that while I am a smoker, and I disagree with the ban: some of the responses people are posting here (specifically those pro-smoking) are absolutely ridiculous. If somehow you think that:

1) Second hand smoke is not bad for you

2) Smoking is a constitutional Right

3) 60+% of the voters (in a democracy mind you) telling smokers to take it elsewhere is "wrong"

4) The Ohio Government is run by fascists.

You sir, are an idiot.

November 10, 200618 yr

^^No, Mr. Sensitive. We're simply more aware of it now. Anything else you'd like to add?

November 10, 200618 yr

I am just glad that in less than 30 days I (and my family) can breath a little easier in most public spaces in the state of Ohio.

Does your family have asthma or something that would prevent you from "breathing easy"? Bummer.

Hilarious. Absolutely hilarious.

What is hilarious?

Sarcasm; sometimes hilarious. The data on asthma and smoking; never hilarious.

November 10, 200618 yr

^^No, Mr. Sensitive. We're simply more aware of it now. Anything else you'd like to add?

Sure, I'll add one more thing.

There is no statistically significant link between second-hand smoke and lung cancer. Most of the info people like to quote on this comes from a single 1992 study done by the American Cancer Society which has been widely debunked since then. In fact, in 1998 the WHO released a report stating this very thing.

November 10, 200618 yr

^^No, Mr. Sensitive. We're simply more aware of it now. Anything else you'd like to add?

Sure, I'll add one more thing.

There is no statistically significant link between second-hand smoke and lung cancer. Most of the info people like to quote on this comes from a single 1992 study done by the American Cancer Society which has been widely debunked since then. In fact, in 1998 the WHO released a report stating this very thing.

Is this sarcasm?

November 10, 200618 yr

^^Or maybe I should call you Mr. Strawman.

The link between cancer and secondhand smoke has been questioned, as well it should be (see Penn & Teller's wildly satisfying "Bullsh*t" series).

In the place of cancer, however, I, in association with The National Cancer Institute, offer you your choice of the following alternatives:

- Chronic coughing, phlegm, and wheezing.

- Chest discomfort.

- Lowered lung function.

- Severe lower respiratory tract infections, such as bronchitis or pneumonia, in children.

- More severe asthma and increased chance of developing asthma in children.

- Eye and nose irritation.

- Severe and chronic heart disease.

- Middle ear infections in children.

- Sudden infant death syndrome (SIDS).

- Low birthweight or small size at birth for babies of women exposed to secondhand smoke during pregnancy.

http://www.cancer.gov/cancertopics/factsheet/Tobacco/ETS

Enjoy!

November 10, 200618 yr

Let's see what some more scientists have to say, shall we?

"..not only might there be no link between passive smoking and lung cancer, but that it could even have a protective effect."

World Health Organization, March 1998

"The results are consistent with there being no additional risk for a person living or working with a smoker and could be consistent with passive smoke having a protective effect against lung cancer.."

London Telegraph, 1999

"In general, there was no elevated lung cancer risk associated with passive smoke exposure in the workplace. ..."

- Brownson et. al.

American Journal of Public Health, November 1992, Vol. 82, No. 11

"... no evidence of an adverse effect of environmental tobacco smoke in the workplace."

- Janerich et al. New England Journal of Medicine, Sept. 6, 1990

"... the association with exposure to passive smoking at work was small and not statistically significant."

- Kalandidi et al.

Cancer Causes and Control, 1, 15-21, 1990

"We did not generally find an increase in CHD [coronary heart disease] risk associated with ETS [environmental smoke] exposure at work or in other settings."

Steenland et al.

Circulation, Vol. 94, No. 4, August 15, 1996

"... no statistically significant increase in risk associated with exposure to environmental tobacco smoke at work or during social activities...."

- Stockwell et al.

Journal of the National Cancer Institute, 84:1417-1422, 1992

"There was no association between exposure to ETS at the workplace and risk of lung cancer."

Zaridze et al., 1998

International Journal of Cancer, 1998, 75, 335-338

November 10, 200618 yr

Boo freakin hoo...it's done and over...so smokers...dress warmer! Anyway..this will not hurt business...people aren't going out to smoke..they go out to drink and socialize...smoking is just something that went with it for some people...change scares people andd they freak out. If other cities/states can do it...so can we. This thread should be locked...it is voted on, passed, and done. Let's quit crying and move on!

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