Ohio Smoking Ban

November 10, 200618 yr

Let's see what some more scientists have to say, shall we?...

You can cut and paste a litany of clipped-context quotations from one of the many fine tobacco industry funded smoker's-rights websites out there, or you can devote your time to more intellectually honest pursuits. I'll leave that to your discretion, whether it be conducting a broader survey of the many non-tobacco industry-funded studies that point directly to the health risks associated with smoking, or perhaps you can reexamine the context of this discussion: Petitions for--and the subsequent ban--of smoking in public places.

If you honestly believe that a sound majority of voters have been duped into voting as they have, and that we would be a stronger, healthier, more prosperous and civil society for having unrestricted smoking in all public places, and you honestly believe that the volumes of research showing a direct correlation between tobacco smoke and health risk are all pure bunkum, I welcome your insights.

Though I suspect you are completely and utterly wrong.

November 10, 200618 yr

Boo freakin hoo...it's done and over...so smokers...dress warmer! Anyway..this will not hurt business...people aren't going out to smoke..they go out to drink and socialize...smoking is just something that went with it for some people...change scares people andd they freak out. If other cities/states can do it...so can we. This thread should be locked...it is voted on, passed, and done. Let's quit crying and move on!

AGREED!

....THATS ALL

November 10, 200618 yr

I dont smoke, never have, but I voted against this smoking ban.

Its just more of this health-and-safety fascism.

But also, in the case of Ohio, it could have passed for the same reason Issue 3 failed, and the gay marriage ban passed in '04....Moralistic Ohio voters see this as a chance to vote against a vice. I doubt the health arguments played that much a role as much as the moralistic busybody-ism that somtimes charactertizes Ohio....

November 10, 200618 yr

^If you can show me how gay marriage causes cancer, I'll buy your argument.

Perhaps warsaw303 can help out with the research.

November 10, 200618 yr

I disagree. I think that most people hate being in spaces where someone's cigarette pollutes everyone else's environment. Its very unpleasant. Plain and simple.

November 10, 200618 yr

^thats the bottom line for those on the fence about it, like me. you guys will go out more often and enjoy wearing those same clothes the next day.

now for you hardcore smokers, shhhh keep this on the down low but here is a reality check you will like. there is no true all encompassing ban. what happens is this will settle down eventually (say 6mos to a year) and after about midnight guess what? anyone can smoke in the bar. noooo, not every place you used to smoke -- but trust me you will know & find the place & it will be many more places than you think. thats how it shakes out in the end. so evrybody is a winner. but for the most part in high profile nightspots yeah dress in layers you'll need them when you step out to smoke (but really thats not bad & no one even complains about it anymore).

November 10, 200618 yr

When will the complaints about people smoking around doorways start pouring in?

Will ashtrays be provided? When will the complaints about cigarette butts all over the sidewalks start pouring in?

Just a couple of random thoughts.

November 10, 200618 yr

This whole thing reminds me of that old Merle Travis/Tex Williams song that is somewhat popular on old timey/bluegrass radio shows here in Dayton...

Smoke, Smoke, Smoke That Cigarette

Now I'm a feller with a heart of gold

And the ways of a gentleman I've been told

The kind of guy that wouldn't even harm a flea

But if me and a certain character met

The guy that invented the cigarette

I'd murder that son-of-a-gun in the first degree

It ain't cuz I don't smoke myself

And I don't reckon that it'll harm your health

Smoked all my life and I ain't dead yet

But nicotine slaves are all the same

At a pettin' party or a poker game

Everything gotta stop while they have a cigarette

Smoke, smoke, smoke that cigarette

Puff, puff, puff and if you smoke yourself to death

Tell St. Peter at the Golden Gate

That you hate to make him wait

But you just gotta have another cigarette

Now in a game of chance the other night

Old Dame Fortune was a-doin' me right

The kings and the queens just kept on comin' round

And I got a full and I bet 'em high

But my bluff didn't work on a certain guy

He just kept on raisin' and layin' that money down

Now he'd raise me and I'd raise him

I sweated blood, gotta sink or swim

He finally called and didn't even raise the bet

So I said "aces full Pops how 'bout you?"

He said "I'll tell you in a minute or two

But right now, I gotta have me a cigarette"

Smoke, smoke, smoke that cigarette

Puff, puff, puff and if you smoke yourself to death

Tell St. Peter at the Golden Gate

That you hates to make him wait

But you just gotta have another cigarette

(Ah, smoke it! Hah! Yes! Yes! Yes!)

The other night I had a date

With the cutest little girl in the United States

A high-bred, uptown, fancy little dame

She loved me and it seemed to me

That things were 'bout like they oughta be

So hand in hand we strolled down lover's lane

She was oh so far from a cake of ice

And our smoochin' party was goin' nice

So help me cats I believe I'd be there yet

But I give her a kiss and a little squeeze

And she said, "ah, Marty, excuse me please

I just gotta have me another, cigarette"

And she said, smoke, smoke, smoke that cigarette

Puff, puff, puff and if you smoke yourself to death

Tell St. Peter at the Golden Gate

That you hate to make him wait

But you just gotta have another cigarette

November 10, 200618 yr

^thats the bottom line for those on the fence about it, like me. you guys will go out more often and enjoy wearing those same clothes the next day.

now for you hardcore smokers, shhhh keep this on the down low but here is a reality check you will like. there is no true all encompassing ban. what happens is this will settle down eventually (say 6mos to a year) and after about midnight guess what? anyone can smoke in the bar. noooo, not every place you used to smoke -- but trust me you will know & find the place & it will be many more places than you think. thats how it shakes out in the end. so evrybody is a winner. but for the most part in high profile nightspots yeah dress in layers you'll need them when you step out to smoke (but really thats not bad & no one even complains about it anymore).

yeah, only had to spend about two seconds outside of the Arena District to find that out. (in columbus)

November 10, 200618 yr

When will the complaints about people smoking around doorways start pouring in?

Will ashtrays be provided? When will the complaints about cigarette butts all over the sidewalks start pouring in?

Just a couple of random thoughts.

MrNYC can chime in on this as well.

IIRC, in NY when the law came into affect, commercial building owner, bars & restaurants, venues had to designate places for smokers outside their establishments, with ashtray, etc. and maintain them.

Now the question is how will Ohio police this. NYC is pretty tough, since in some cases like the village, your apartments entry could be adjacent to the "smoking" section.

November 11, 200618 yr

This whole thing reminds me of that old Merle Travis/Tex Williams song that is somewhat popular on old timey/bluegrass radio shows here in Dayton...

Smoke, Smoke, Smoke That Cigarette

...

Love that song. I'm a big fan of the Al Dexter and His Troopers version found on the awesome comp "Hillbilly Boogie." Pirate it today.

November 11, 200618 yr

When will the complaints about people smoking around doorways start pouring in?

Will ashtrays be provided? When will the complaints about cigarette butts all over the sidewalks start pouring in?

Just a couple of random thoughts.

MrNYC can chime in on this as well.

IIRC, in NY when the law came into affect, commercial building owner, bars & restaurants, venues had to designate places for smokers outside their establishments, with ashtray, etc. and maintain them.

Now the question is how will Ohio police this. NYC is pretty tough, since in some cases like the village, your apartments entry could be adjacent to the "smoking" section.

unfortunately, the street trash will be policed less well than the smoking ban. still, come daylight the owners/leasers are responsible keeping the front sidewalk of their establishments clean. they ticket for that the next day pretty well in ny -- at least in some nabes, but not others.

fwiw -- we went to dinner in w'burg, brooklyn last night, yeah i know not my idea, but anyway we all went out to three neighboring old school pubs afterward and there was smoking in all three bars. my clothes stank like in the old days. so as i say it all shakes out later as bars adjust & you will surely be able to smoke in some joints at some point. i think in boston or somewhere you can smoke in irish bars only or something funny like that.

November 12, 200618 yr

IIRC, in NY when the law came into affect, commercial building owner, bars & restaurants, venues had to designate places for smokers outside their establishments, with ashtray, etc. and maintain them.

I hope this is the case. I try to be a considerate smoker...that's why those thoughts crossed my mind. I hate the appearance of cigarette butts all over the sidewalk. It's just lazy and inconsiderate.

The vote is over and done with and it's time to move on. All I ask is that there is an ashtray and a reasonable place where one can smoke. If there isn't, I'm not very likely to give the establishment my business.

P.S> Another random interjection--If it's 5 below zero, I will be spending my night at bars in Kentucky.

From the 11/11/06 DDN:

Smoking-ban co-chair wins applause for law's approval

Tracy Sabetta had to steer her campaign against more money, competing issue.

By Laura A. Bischoff

Staff Writer

Saturday, November 11, 2006

COLUMBUS — Tracy Sabetta enjoyed rock star status among 700 lobbyists and political operatives at a post-election conference in Columbus this week.

One after another, people congratulated Sabetta for pulling off what many doubted could be done: Getting voters past the confusion of two statewide smoking issues to defeat Issue 4 and support Issue 5.

"It's been a good couple of days," said Sabetta, co-chair of Smoke Free Ohio, the Issue 5 campaign backed by the American Cancer Society and other health groups for a state law banning indoor smoking in public places.

Not only did Sabetta have to get voters to approve her issue, she had to get them to reject Issue 4, a no-smoking constitutional amendment backed by R.J. Reynolds tobacco. Issue 4 would have overruled local smoking bans and made exceptions for bars, restaurants, bowling alleys and bingo halls.

Had they both passed — which Sabetta feared — only Issue 4 would have taken effect.

From the AP, 11/10/06:

If no complaints are voiced, smoking will be permitted

Some business owners worry customers will head out of state.

CINCINNATI (AP) — Ohio's new smoking ban could work against a roughneck who lights up in a company dump truck but allow a frail nursing home resident to enjoy an after-dinner cigar.

It depends on who complains.

A law approved by 58 percent of Tuesday's voters prohibits smoking almost everywhere people meet to work or play. Exceptions include tobacco shops, designated hotel rooms and enclosed areas of nursing homes.

From the 11/10/06 Ashtabula Star Beacon:

Smoke has yet to clear over law

Patrons, bar owners not happy with passage of State Issue 5 with passage of Issue 5

By ELLEN KOLMAN

Staff Writer

[email protected]

Local establishments are bracing for the fallout of the nonsmoking law, which Ohio voters passed Tuesday.

"We do not have any choice but to comply," said Mary Ann Alleman, owner of Alleman's Bakery and Restaurant on Lake Avenue in Ashtabula.

"Our customer reaction is half and half: The nonsmokers are happy and the smokers are not happy. We do not like the idea of any of our customers feeling slighted," she said.

The law, which will prohibit smoking in public places and places of employment, will go into effect Dec. 8, exactly 30 days after State Issue 5 passed. A less-restrictive constitutional amendment was defeated by voters.

November 12, 200618 yr

IIRC, in NY when the law came into affect, commercial building owner, bars & restaurants, venues had to designate places for smokers outside their establishments, with ashtray, etc. and maintain them.

I hope this is the case. I try to be a considerate smoker...that's why those thoughts crossed my mind. I hate the appearance of cigarette butts all over the sidewalk. It's just lazy and inconsiderate.

Based on personal experience banning smoking at my old cafe, there will definitely be an outbreak of wild butts in from of establishments. I didn't provide an outside ashtray, but the bother of sweeping up the butts was minimal, and all litter being equal, I was more annoyed with my customers dropping their stirrers.

I'm ready for us to move forward here as well. There will me inconveniences ahead, but if there's such a thing as a greater good, it will be served admirably.

November 12, 200618 yr

From the 11/12/06 Toledo Blade:

MAP: America's smoking bans

Ohio ban called key in war on smoking

Voter-backed law takes effect Dec. 7

By JIM PROVANCE

BLADE COLUMBUS BUREAU

COLUMBUS - With Tuesday's landmark decision by voters to go smoke-free from the Ohio River to Lake Erie, Ohio became the first Midwestern stop on a long national journey by anti-smoking advocates.

As of Dec. 7, when Ohio's law goes into effect, more than half of the nation's population will live in states with some form of statewide ban on smoking in indoor public places.

"One day, we will have a smoke-free America," said Patrick Reynolds, grandson of the founder of R.J. Reynolds Tobacco Co., a former smoker, and now an anti-smoking activist.

From the 11/12/06 ABJ:

Employers crack down on smoking

Some in area hire only nonsmokers because of rising health costs. Urine tests for nicotine scuttle job offers

By Cheryl Powell

Beacon Journal medical writer

It's becoming a lot more problematic to smoke.

A new measure approved by voters statewide last week will ban smoking in most public places, including bars and restaurants, by next month.

But even lighting up at home could have a high price: It could cost smokers a job.

Faced with rising health-care costs, a few employers refuse to hire anyone who smokes.

From the 11/12/06 Ravenna Record-Courier:

Pubs weigh impact of a smoke-free Ohio Kent owners say new ban is hazy

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18 hours ago

Record-Courier staff writer

It's clear -- that's how Portage County, and Ohio, voters want their air when they go out to a bar, restaurant or bowling alley.

Now that Ohio voters have approved the American Cancer Socity backed Issue 5, dubbed Smoke Free Ohio, to clear the air, some area bar owners are faced with a new challenge to learn the law.

For Charlie Thomas, the owner of Ray's Place, Ohio's smoking law is a little hazy.

"It's kind of fuzzy really," Thomas said. "I think we're all kind of in limbo on this." Thomas said he spoke to a few other bar owners last week about the law and they all shared similar concerns about when it will take effect and how it will be enforced. He said the Kent Licensed Beverage Association will meet in the coming weeks to discuss Issue 5 and its potential impact on Kent bars.

November 13, 200618 yr

People pass smoking bans because they want smokefree bars and restaurants (who can smoke at at work anyways??). If stand-alone bars are not included in that restriction, then the restriction is only going halfway as compared to other states' restrictions. If Florida is considered strict, then Ohio's would have to be considered Gestapo-esque. (Vulpster and Pope--no comments please)

woah woah woah, keep me unassociated with that right wing fascist.

You know nothing about my political thinking.

November 13, 200618 yr

He said Ohio was chosen because 21 cities, including Toledo and Columbus, already had acted on their own. Similar seeds have been sown for possible statewide bans in the Midwest with the passage of local bans in Detroit, Washtenaw County, and a handful of other parts of Michigan; Philadelphia in Pennsylvania, and Chicago in Illinois.

smoking bans in detroit? that's news to me. (or really bad reporting)

November 13, 200618 yr

Pope, let us know if you find out anything about Detroit's supposed ban.

November 13, 200618 yr

^the only thing that came to mind was a "work place ban", (i.e. inside the factory) with the usual exclusions of bars, bowling alley's etc. This reporter makes it sound like Detroit is smoke free.

November 13, 200618 yr

^a lot of people are starting to throw around the smoking ban language as if all bans are the same.

I just always assumed that you couldn't smoke in factories. Seems like a dumb idea in many ways.

November 13, 200618 yr

I think most workplaces have been smoke free, but I know quite a few business/offices that had a smoke room for employees up until just ten years ago. Heck, it wasn't that long ago that you could smoke on airplanes. People seem to easily forget how it use to be.

November 13, 200618 yr

^I like watching "Good night and Good Luck" and laughing.

November 13, 200618 yr

Not only 10 years ago ... I worked for a prominent title company about 3.5 years ago and was a patron of a little smoking lounge in the basement that was frequented by insurance professionals and lawyers. For all I know, it could be operating today.

November 13, 200618 yr

I have sweet, sweet memories of smoking in the elevators at the Renaissance Center in 1991.

A couple of years later I was working at a company in Southfiend with totally unrestricted smoking in all areas of the office. You could light up during a meeting if you wanted to. In 1994, smoking was allowed only in enclosed offices, which even more unbelievable today, were the norm. The next year, smoking was confined to what turned out to be a very flammable smoker's lounge. Then smoking was banned building-wide.

The way it was 10 years ago is indeed now almost inconceivable. Of course, back then, as a smoker I was oblivious to the needs of non-smokers. I feel like kind of a retroactive asshole.

Now, with smoking bans in place, I have to come up with whole new ways to be an asshole. But damn it, I'm a better asshole for it.

November 13, 200618 yr

I have sweet, sweet memories of smoking in the elevators at the Renaissance Center in 1991.

A couple of years later I was working at a company in Southfiend with totally unrestricted smoking in all areas of the office. You could light up during a meeting if you wanted to. In 1994, smoking was allowed only in enclosed offices, which even more unbelievable today, were the norm. The next year, smoking was confined to what turned out to be a very flammable smoker's lounge. Then smoking was banned building-wide.

The way it was 10 years ago is indeed now almost inconceivable. Of course, back then, as a smoker I was oblivious to the needs of non-smokers. I feel like kind of a retroactive asshole.

Now, with smoking bans in place, I have to come up with whole new ways to be an asshole. But damn it, I'm a better asshole for it.

I guess a retroactive asshole is better than a radioactive one!

November 13, 200618 yr

When I first went to UC back in 1990/1991, they had outlawed smoking inside classrooms - but you could still smoke in the halls. There'd be this toxic cloud hanging above walls packed with smokers sitting on the floor, tripping folks walking past...yeah, that was a stupid policy...

November 13, 200618 yr

One of my favorite places to light up was in the lobby of the Renaissance Hotel downtown Cleveland on the plush couches near the fountain under the chandeliers. It went smoke free only a year ago. The end of era.

Europe is going smoke free now as well - something I thought would never happen. I've come to the realization that they're political culture when it comes to things like smoking isn't really that much different than the United States. Less and less people are smoking in Europe and there are pushes for bans, restrictions, etc. It is only that they are about 10 years behind the U.S. in terms of smoking culture. I remember being 18, and arriving in the Madrid Airport. People just lit up as soon as they got off the plane, so I did as well and walked around everywhere with a cigarette. I don't know about the Madrid airport now, but last fall semester I was in Europe and didn't experience anything like that to the same degree. Brussels and Vienna airports have designated smoking areas, train stations are all smoke free, and many trains now are smoke free. Switzerland, Germany, and Austria seem to be the most reluctant to adobt smoking bans, and I think it has something to do with the post world II culture. Even France and Italy are going smoke free.

November 14, 200618 yr

From the AP, 11/13/06:

‘HEALTH ISSUE’

Cleveland Clinic played key role in smoking ban

Monday, November 13, 2006

CLEVELAND (AP) — The Cleveland Clinic gave supporters of Ohio’s new smoking ban $30,000 and urged other hospitals to back the law, a newspaper reported.

The law, approved Tuesday by 58 percent of voters, prohibits smoking almost everywhere people work or play. Exceptions include tobacco shops, designated hotel rooms and enclosed areas of nursing homes.

An alternative proposal rejected by voters would have allowed bars, bowling alleys, restaurants and other places to set aside smoking areas.

From the 11/10/06 Lorain Morning Journal:

Locals react to new statewide ban

JENNIFER BRACKEN, Morning Journal Writer

11/10/2006

LORAIN -- Local residents and business owners are bracing themselves for the impact of Tuesday's passage of Ohio's first smoke free law.

The law, which bans smoking in public places, will officially go into effect Dec. 7, sending smokers into the cold to light up. Issue 5 was pitted against a separate piece of legislation on Tuesday's ballot, Issue 4, which would have allowed business owners to decide whether to permit smoking.

From the 11/13/06 Athens News:

Smoking ban = one less hookah bar

By Jonathan Hunt

Athens NEWS Writer

Monday, November 13th, 2006

The statewide smoking ban passed by Ohio voters last week will apparently whittle the number of hookah bars in uptown Athens down to one.

"Obviously, we're going to have to phase out the hookahs," confirmed Shishah Cafe co-owner Ryland Burhans on Saturday.

The business will not close, he emphasized. Instead, Shishah likely will become more of a full-service restaurant that also features live entertainment such as jazz and belly dancing. "We haven't made any (final) decisions at all," said Burhans.

From the 11/13/06 Daily Kent Stater:

Questions rise with passing Issue 5

Jennifer Zemanek

Issue date: 11/13/06 Section: News

Before the arrival of the new year comes a change in the atmosphere of downtown Kent as a statewide smoking ban takes effect.

With the passing of Issue 5, smoking will be banned in most public places and places of employment starting Dec. 7.

Charlie Thomas, owner of Ray's Place on Franklin Avenue, is awaiting the effects of the ban.

November 14, 200618 yr

I'm sure by the end of January we'll see a slew of poorly written articles having either joe schmo or suzy snowflake talking about their bar/restaurant blabbering about a rise or lowering of revenue

wow, its starting earlier than expected

November 14, 200618 yr

Wait a minute... I always thought the day the smoking ban would go in effect was January 1.

November 14, 200618 yr

Wait a minute... I always thought the day the smoking ban would go in effect was January 1.

Nope...December 7.

November 14, 200618 yr

I'm sure by the end of January we'll see a slew of poorly written articles having either joe schmo or suzy snowflake talking about their bar/restaurant blabbering about a rise or lowering of revenue

wow, its starting earlier than expected

Fuck suzy snowflake.

November 14, 200618 yr

but you're okay with joe schmo?

November 14, 200618 yr

but you're okay with joe schmo?

He's all yours.

November 15, 200618 yr

From the 11/14/06 Miami Student:

Ohio smoking ban complements Miami's recently approved policy

Lauren Miller, Senior Staff Writer

Issue date: 11/14/06 Section: Front Page

More change is in the air at Miami University since the state passed the Smoke Free Workplace Act Nov. 7, which bans smoking in all restaurants, bars, public places and workplaces in Ohio.

November 15, 200618 yr

Parker also said that in Ohio's new law, public places are defined as anything having a roof - including bus shelters ...

Ouch. Now that's harsh. I'm a pro-Issue 5 smoker, am glad re: bars, restaurants, etc. and hope that it will help me to quit. But when that January gale starts whipping down the Ontario windtunnel, you best believe I'm running for the bus shelter.

Note: 8Shades kindly asks that you not report him to the Ohio Department of Health. The preceding threat to smoke in a public place was purely speculative and should in no way be construed as an actual, flagrant violation of law. That is all.

November 15, 200618 yr

When must the public smoking stop?

Enforcement after Dec. 7 puzzles merchants

Wednesday, November 15, 2006

Harlan Spector

Plain Dealer Reporter

A week after voters passed a statewide public smoking ban, some merchants said they still don't understand when they have to pull ashtrays off the tables and put up no-smoking signs.

Mixed signals from health officials and SmokeFree Ohio, the campaign of the American Cancer Society, have created some confusion.

Link missing.

November 15, 200618 yr

From the 11/10/06 Lima News:

It’s all a nonsmoking section now

BY TIM RAUSCH - Nov. 10, 2006

LIMA — Restaurant hosts soon won’t be asking "smoking or nonsmoking" when it comes to seating choice.

A majority of voters Tuesday approved Issue 5, a law that bans smoking in public places, including privately owned businesses. Voters also defeated Issue 4, which would have constitutionally protected smoking in bars, restaurants and some workplaces.

Business owners are now wondering what’s next for the Smoke Free Workplace Act.

From the 11/11/06 Findlay Courier:

Smoke ban: Restaurants, bars nervous

By JOHN GRABER

STAFF WRITER

Ryan Schnipke, manager of the Red Pig Inn in Findlay, doesn't figure his business is going to take much of a hit when it goes smoke-free.

"People may have dinner and instead of hanging out for more drinks, they may just leave," Schnipke said.

But the Red Pig Inn is a restaurant, and he figures it's the bars that are going to really take it on the chin when they go smoke-free following voters' approval of state Issue 5 this week.

Read more:

The Associated Press contributed to this story.

On the Net:

SmokeFreeOhio

www.smokefreeohio.org

OBM analysis:

www.obm.ohio.gov/mppr/State--Issue--5.pdf

http://www.thecourier.com/Issues/2006/Nov/ar_news_111106.asp#story2

From the 11/9/06 Ironton Tribune:

Smoking ban’s shock waves to hit Lawrence Countians hard

By Kirsten Stanley/The Ironton Tribune

Thursday, November 9, 2006 11:42 AM CST

In 30 days, non-smokers can breath a little easier when they go into most public places, but smokers will be forced to take their butts outside.

A new state law given the nod by voters during Tuesday’s election will take effect Dec. 8 and will prohibit smoking in the majority of public places, including restaurants, bars, bingo halls and convenience stores.

There are only a few exemptions to the law — homes, family-run businesses that have no customers coming in to them and private clubs such as fraternal organizations, among others.

From the 11/14/06 Maysville Ledger Independent:

Smoking ban upsets many local Ohioans

By CARRIE CARLSON Staff Writer

Thursday, November 9, 2006 10:59 PM EST

GEORGETOWN, Ohio -- Even though Brown and Adams counties voters turned back the Smoke Free Ohio issue on Tuesday's ballot, Ohio as a whole, voted to make public places, including restaurants and bars, smoke free.

The new law takes effect Dec. 7,

Many local bar and restaurant owners are upset about the new sanction.

"My business is my life," said Dottie Renner, owner of the Meetin' Place Bar in Ripley.

November 16, 200618 yr

In 30 days, non-smokers can breath a little easier when they go into most public places, but smokers will be forced to take their butts outside.

I for one cannot wait for all of the hoopla to be over so we can cut it with the dumb-ass plays on words.

November 16, 200618 yr

^I love that quote!! LOL!

November 16, 200618 yr

I don't want to read this thread anymore. It upsets me too much.

November 16, 200618 yr

hey, no one told you to come back here.

November 16, 200618 yr

Nazi.

November 16, 200618 yr

Nazi.

KOOW - Behave! :whip:

November 16, 200618 yr

Nazi nazi.

November 16, 200618 yr

From the 11/16/06 (UT) Independent Collegian:

Smoking out

By: Ed Carroll

Issue date: 11/16/06 Section: Arts & Life

Starting Dec. 7, a ban on smoking in public places will take effect in the State of Ohio.

The ban means no more smoking in restaurants, bars and coffee houses, along with other public places.

Smokers seem to have mixed feelings about the ban.

Mike Lees, a junior majoring in psychology, is a smoker who can understand the ban, but is still disappointed by it.

November 17, 200618 yr

Nazi.

Nazi.

KOOW - Behave! :whip:

Nazi nazi.

hahahahahhaha...oh man...thats a classic!!! Thx guys for the good chuckle!!!

November 17, 200618 yr

From the 11/17/06 BG News:

Ohio voters say 'butts be gone' (GC: HA HA HA you're so clever)

Cigarette ban to affect Ohio bars and restaurants

By: Christy Johnson

Issue date: 11/17/06 Section: Campus

Smoking was banned in most public places in Ohio by a 58 percent vote in favor of Issue 5 on Nov. 7 leaving no "if," "and" or cigarette butt.

Now local business owners are buckling down to ride out the wave of change.

"I don't think the law will help bar owners, but in the long run I do not think it will hurt us that severely," said Kamikaze's owner Rick Alt.

November 17, 200618 yr

on a related note:

South Australia bans smoking in private vehicles carrying children

Source: NPT - National Post

Nov 17 03:25

Page: A12

Section: News

Edition: All but Toronto

Australians caught smoking in cars carrying kids could soon be slapped with on-the-spot fines, under a law aimed at protecting the health of innocent passengers. Under legislation introduced in the South Australia state parliament yesterday, drivers of private cars with youngsters under 16 would face a A$75 ($65) fine. "Children spend many hours in cars each week and secondhand smoke in a vehicle can be more than 20 times more toxic than in a house," said Gail Gago, the state's Mental Health & Substance Abuse Minister and the bill's chief backer. No other Australian state has passed such a law, although Tasmania and New South Wales are considering similar moves. Internationally, only Arkansas has enacted a vehicle smoking ban.

November 17, 200618 yr

Smoking was banned in most public places in Ohio by a 58 percent vote in favor of Issue 5 on Nov. 7 leaving no "if," "and" or cigarette butt.

GOD, PLEASE MAKE IT STOP!!!!!!!!

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