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Here is an editorial from the University of Kentucky independent newspaper, Kernel. It is based out of Lexington, Kentucky and had numerous articles about the ban when it was first implemented --

 

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www.kykernel.com/media/storage/paper305/news/2007/03/07/Opinions/Kernel.Editorial.Smoking.Ban.Not.As.Bad.For.Business.As.Owners.Feared-2762201.shtml]Kernel Editorial: Smoking ban not as bad for business as owners feared[/url]

Issue date: 3/7/07 Section: Opinions

 

When Fayette County's public smoking ban went into effect in April 2004, it faced a litany of concerns from a variety of Lexington's constituencies. The Kernel argued that the ban violated the rights of private business owners to decide for themselves whether or not to allow smoking in their establishments.

 

And those bar and restaurant owners argued the smoking ban would severely inhibit business.

 

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^Lynaugh's has been in business for darn close to forever, and accordingly, a fine example of pope's law of economic survivalism. Bravo!

Okay all you nerds, why the hell are you so scared of smoking?  I mean, grow some damn balls.  IT'S NOT GOING TO KILL YOU, AND IF YOU WHINE ABOUT IT IT'S BECAUSE YOU'RE A DAMN SISSY.  AND NO I DON'T BELIEVE YOU'RE "ALLERGIC" TO IT.  I mean, the only reason you can get away saying this stuff is because you're in college and college does not challenge people.  I have been around cigarette, cigar, pipe, and marijuana smoke MY ENTIRE LIFE.  I used to sit on my grandpa's lap...WHILE HE SMOKED A CIGAR.  Then I'd go visit my other grandpa, sit on his lap, and HE'D SMOKE A PIPE.  Meanwhile my parent, aunts, uncles, their cousins, nearly every adult I was around smoked cigarettes...ONE AFTER ANOTHER.  I'd play checkers or some game with my grandma...mixed drink in one hand, CIGARETTE IN THE OTHER.  LIT.  THE TIP WAS ON FIRE. 

 

And guess what folks...THEY'RE ALL STILL ALIVE AND DOING FINE.   

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And I came out hacking and wheezing after bowling in a smoke-filled bowling-alley in Ashland (pre-ban). After the ban was put into place (BTW, business rose by more than 30% as indicated by the Daily Independent), I have no problems with breathing or sickness. Care to explain why?

Okay all you nerds, why the hell are you so scared of smoking?  I mean, grow some damn balls.  IT'S NOT GOING TO KILL YOU, AND IF YOU WHINE ABOUT IT IT'S BECAUSE YOU'RE A DAMN SISSY.  AND NO I DON'T BELIEVE YOU'RE "ALLERGIC" TO IT.  I mean, the only reason you can get away saying this stuff is because you're in college and college does not challenge people.  I have been around cigarette, cigar, pipe, and marijuana smoke MY ENTIRE LIFE.  I used to sit on my grandpa's lap...WHILE HE SMOKED A CIGAR.  Then I'd go visit my other grandpa, sit on his lap, and HE'D SMOKE A PIPE.  Meanwhile my parent, aunts, uncles, their cousins, nearly every adult I was around smoked cigarettes...ONE AFTER ANOTHER.  I'd play checkers or some game with my grandma...mixed drink in one hand, CIGARETTE IN THE OTHER.  LIT.  THE TIP WAS ON FIRE. 

 

And guess what folks...THEY'RE ALL STILL ALIVE AND DOING FINE.   

 

I guess those people who are really allergic to smoke or asthmatics are just punk ass dramatic bitches?

I mean, its kind of evident that the more smoking i banned, the more people become sensitized to it. It really didnt seem to bother people 30 years ago when you could smoke almost anywhere. First went medical offices, then went shopping malls, airports, most restuarants, office buildings, and then bars. Its certainly been a slippery slope. Whats next? outdoor bans and automobiles?

 

I've lit up before and some people around me start waving their hand in front of their face and start coughing. This is completely ridiculous. I do think people should consider the fact that people are for the most part now simply socialized to believing that cigarettes and anything associated with it are unhealthy. A lot of negative reaction is due to this socialization. Cigarette smoke is honestly not a very offensive smell, but people have now become convinced otherwise.

Cigarette smoke is honestly not a very offensive smell, but people have now become convinced otherwise.

 

said the smoker.

Okay all you nerds, why the hell are you so scared of smoking?  I mean, grow some damn balls.  IT'S NOT GOING TO KILL YOU, AND IF YOU WHINE ABOUT IT IT'S BECAUSE YOU'RE A DAMN SISSY.  AND NO I DON'T BELIEVE YOU'RE "ALLERGIC" TO IT.  I mean, the only reason you can get away saying this stuff is because you're in college and college does not challenge people.  I have been around cigarette, cigar, pipe, and marijuana smoke MY ENTIRE LIFE.  I used to sit on my grandpa's lap...WHILE HE SMOKED A CIGAR.  Then I'd go visit my other grandpa, sit on his lap, and HE'D SMOKE A PIPE.  Meanwhile my parent, aunts, uncles, their cousins, nearly every adult I was around smoked cigarettes...ONE AFTER ANOTHER.  I'd play checkers or some game with my grandma...mixed drink in one hand, CIGARETTE IN THE OTHER.  LIT.  THE TIP WAS ON FIRE. 

 

And guess what folks...THEY'RE ALL STILL ALIVE AND DOING FINE.   

What, are you trying to justify your addiction or something? Just because they're alive and seem to be doing fine doesn't mean they're healthy. And your grandparents don't represent the entire world, you dolt.

Okay all you nerds, why the hell are you so scared of smoking?  I mean, grow some damn balls.  IT'S NOT GOING TO KILL YOU, AND IF YOU WHINE ABOUT IT IT'S BECAUSE YOU'RE A DAMN SISSY.  AND NO I DON'T BELIEVE YOU'RE "ALLERGIC" TO IT.  I mean, the only reason you can get away saying this stuff is because you're in college and college does not challenge people.  I have been around cigarette, cigar, pipe, and marijuana smoke MY ENTIRE LIFE.  I used to sit on my grandpa's lap...WHILE HE SMOKED A CIGAR.  Then I'd go visit my other grandpa, sit on his lap, and HE'D SMOKE A PIPE.  Meanwhile my parent, aunts, uncles, their cousins, nearly every adult I was around smoked cigarettes...ONE AFTER ANOTHER.  I'd play checkers or some game with my grandma...mixed drink in one hand, CIGARETTE IN THE OTHER.  LIT.  THE TIP WAS ON FIRE. 

 

And guess what folks...THEY'RE ALL STILL ALIVE AND DOING FINE. 

 

What's that ear-splitting alarm? Oh yeah: it's my IRONY DETECTOR.

Okay all you nerds, why the hell are you so scared of smoking?  I mean, grow some damn balls.  IT'S NOT GOING TO KILL YOU, AND IF YOU WHINE ABOUT IT IT'S BECAUSE YOU'RE A DAMN SISSY.  AND NO I DON'T BELIEVE YOU'RE "ALLERGIC" TO IT. 

 

...blah blah blah...

 

And guess what folks...THEY'RE ALL STILL ALIVE AND DOING FINE.   

 

My mother had asthma since she was a child.  Her lungs got progressively worse.  She had a few hospitalizations and almost died.  She had to stay away from places where smokers were.  If some nicotine addict lit up near her, she would have to move away. 

 

I recall when we were visiting my brother in the hospital who had just had a car accident that left him a quadriplegic.  We left the room so the staff could do a procedure.  We were in the tiny visitor area and in walks this pasty guy who started pulling out a cigarette.  I politely asked him if he would not smoke because my mother was in poor health in that respect.  The creep refused and he lit into me with an awful tirade.  We left.

 

When I voted for the ban last November, I knew the bill was imperfect.   But I dedicated it to my mother.  And I thought of that rude motherfucker and all the rude motherfuckers who gave us the same business every time I asked for the courtesy of clean air for my mother.  The hell with all of them. 

 

You are paying the price for decades of discourtesy by the low-intellect bottom feeders of Ohio society.  Don't expect a lot of sympathy.

>I guess those people who are really allergic to smoke or asthmatics are just punk ass dramatic bitches?

 

Pretty much.  Like I said in a post from at least a year ago, 50 years ago EVERYBODY smoked.  In the movies, in real life.  How were all these people able to smoke and nobody was smoking or coughing or complaining yet today out of the woodwork come all these whiners? 

 

I noticed a long time ago that the mood of internet forums are set by a small group of people who sort of set "default" opinions and few people bother to challenge them because of the time involved.  This is definitely one such discussion. 

 

And here is an email to my list by a friend of mine in med school, and btw this guy got like a 1580 on his SAT and breezed through college so smokers and their sympathizers are not exclusively "low-intellect bottom feeders", and in fact here's a case of the smoking ban contributing to Ohio brain drain.  So think about that!

 

I warned you people about smoking bans - it's the harbinger of the

pussification of a state/city, and now Ohio has succumbed. It's seriously

forcing me to rethink my original plans of returning to Cincinnati for

residency, although Chicago will enact its own ban in a year or so. It's

a shame. My old place (on Beach Ave) was 2 blocks from the smokiest bar I

have ever been to in my life (far more than anything in Cincinnati) - the

Beachwood Inn. You can literally smell the smoke 20 ft away without even

entering, as if it's seeping through the pores in the brick. It's amazing

how much the atmosphere of a place can be improved just by not having a

ventilation system.

 

>I guess those people who are really allergic to smoke or asthmatics are just punk ass dramatic bitches?

 

Pretty much.  Like I said in a post from at least a year ago, 50 years ago EVERYBODY smoked.  In the movies, in real life.  How were all these people able to smoke and nobody was smoking or coughing or complaining yet today out of the woodwork come all these whiners?

 

Thanks for being insensitive and an overall jerk to those who have breathing problems, asthma, and who can't tolerate the cigarette smoke. Did you know that once you stop smoking, your nasal cavities become that much more clear and sensitive? By smoking, you dull them considerably, therefore you would have trouble "smelling" cigarette smoke.

 

Not "everybody" smoked 50 years ago. Movie actresses smoked to become thinner (at the risk of their lungs); movie actors smoked to sound older and singers did it to enhance their voice (at the risk of their voice later). Remember John Wayne, who smoked 5 to 6 packs a day as he lay dying from lung cancer? It was one addiction that he could not beat and he later regretted.

 

And of course no statistics/facts to back up the "everyone smoked 50 years ago" argument. People disagreed with smokers back then, however, research on the effects of nicotine and second-hand smoke did not begin in earnest until the 1980s, picking up steam in the 1990s into today.

 

I noticed a long time ago that the mood of internet forums are set by a small group of people who sort of set "default" opinions and few people bother to challenge them because of the time involved.  This is definitely one such discussion.

 

Perhaps it is because the overall _majority_ agreed that a ban was best for the population. As indicated in every city, county, state, etc. that has banned smoking, it has been decided upon by a majority. It is only reflected on Internet forums that are not biased one way or the other. Perhaps if you feel so strongly against it, you should take up the issue with several "pro-smoking" forums for a consensus that you can agree with.

^^ Your friend proves three things 1) Any moron can breeze through their SATs, 2) Any moron can study to be a doctor, and 3) any moron can have an opinion.

 

Smoking bans are no more evidence of "the nanny state" than workplace safety or water quality standards. What it all boils down to is quality of life, and people require little convincing to determine that smoking is detrimental to the simplest definition of quality of life.

 

Smoking fouls the environment, taxes the body's ability to function and drains bank accounts.

 

When I was a smoker, I was smelly, tired and broke.  So I quit.

 

Now I'm not so smelly, I have all the energy I need, and I'm still broke (I have two kids and a wife now).

 

Brain drain? Two words: New York City.

 

Further, I would hope your friend is basing his residency decision on the quality of the hospital, not his ability to breathe smoke on people in his free time.

 

But what do I know. I only got 1420 on my SATs.

My mom was a former smoker. About a year ago, she needed double-bypass heart surgery and she decided at that moment to quit the nasty habit. For several years prior, at my pleading, she had to smoke outside and away from me -- it was literally making our furniture reek with odor. They couldn't smell it, but non-smokers like myself and some of her friends could note it. Needless to say, when she quit smoking, she noted several months later that she could smell cigarette smoke. When she was smoking (1-2 packs/day), her nasal passages had become so distorted that she couldn't detect it -- now, at the slightest hint of smoke, she cringes.

 

I'm trying to get my dad to quit. He's down to about 2-3 packs/week from his high of 1-2 packs/day. I complain and bitch when he smokes around me, and its become exceedingly rare for him to light up in public. He knows he can't do it in restaurants and it was something he used to complain about. Loss of rights, etc., but after reading up on several medical studies and conclusions, he knows it is only for the best interest of not only himself, but others. The lesser places he has to light up at, the less temptation he has -- he can't smoke at work (at a steel mill!), at dinner and around me.

 

Now hes regulating himself to smoke only a few a day when hes out feeding the dogs, on his lunch break, etc. Any tips on how to get him to break this nuisance and hazard once-and-for-all?

did you guys know that by 2010 obesity will pass up smoking as a contributor to death?

^That's why I smoke Chesterfield Fat Free, now with Olean--the full, rich flavor of regular Chesterfields with half the calories and only slightly more anal leakage.

 

In all seriousness, not only is obesity poised to lap smoking in terms of body count, according to an article cited in a 2005 study on childhood obesity published by the UNLV Center for Business and Economic Research, obesity is threatening to overturn the trend in increasing life expectancy in the US.

 

No THAT'S fu©ked up.

 

And off topic.

Now hes regulating himself to smoke only a few a day when hes out feeding the dogs, on his lunch break, etc. Any tips on how to get him to break this nuisance and hazard once-and-for-all?

 

My two-step method: 1) Stop putting them in your mouth. 2) Stop lighting them.

 

Honestly: bar none, cold turkey is the most effective method for quitting smoking.

 

Here's some website about it: http://whyquit.com/pr/051906.html

 

Here's some brainy abstract as to why it works: http://ideas.repec.org/a/ucp/jpolec/v96y1988i4p675-700.html

^That's why I smoke Chesterfield Fat Free, now with Olean--the full, rich flavor of regular Chesterfields with half the calories and only slightly more anal leakage.

 

In all seriousness, not only is obesity poised to lap smoking in terms of body count, according to an article cited in a 2005 study on childhood obesity published by the UNLV Center for Business and Economic Research, obesity is threatening to overturn the trend in increasing life expectancy in the US.

 

No THAT'S fu©ked up.

 

And off topic.

 

i was trying (half-assedly...) to infuriate those worried about a nanny-state. If you think this smoking backlash is harsh, just wait to see what creative solutions governments can come up with to combat obesity (and no, I'm not talking about a presidential fitness award).

 

On second thought, maybe the rise in obesity is directly linked to the decrease in smoking....hmm....

In terms of causes of obesity, I'd say smoking is a distant horse coming in behind 1) sedentary lifestyle, 2) poor diet, 3) High Fructose Corn Syrup, and 4) Sprawl.

 

Hey! Let's talk about sprawl!

^ ^

 

hahaha. Were cigarettes proven to cause weight loss? That is what was often quoted as the primary reason actors smoked and I kind of wonder how true that holds up today.

 

As for quitting smoking, I heard that going cold turkey is more effective than the patches. I tried herbal cigarettes and cinammon sticks, pills, etc. with him.

 

As for obesity, I blame --

1) Lazy lifestyle (per above). Do we get out and walk to work? Or to the park? The more valid question is, _can_ we walk to work, or to the park in reasonable time? If you are in the suburbs, no.

2) Fast food nation. Nuff' said.

From http://www.idrc.ca/en/ev-28829-201-1-DO_TOPIC.html

 

In the United States, Lucky Strike’s well-known campaign that began in 1928...encouraged women to “Reach for a Lucky instead of a sweet,” deliberately zeroing in on weight concerns. Candy manufacturers protested, so the slogan was changed to “When tempted Reach for a Lucky instead,” but the message was still the same. One ad, featuring the shadow of a woman with a double chin, contained the following text:

 

Avoid that future shadow by refraining from overindulgence, if you would maintain the modern figure of fashion. We do not represent that smoking Lucky Strike Cigarettes will bring modern figures or cause the reduction of flesh. We do declare that when tempted to do yourself too well, if you will ‘Reach for a Lucky’ instead, you will avoid overindulgence in things that cause excess weight and, by avoiding overindulgence, maintain a modern, graceful form...

>Brain drain? Two words: New York City.

 

Yeah, since people are so much smarter and cooler and more stylish and better people than us in New York, that's why we had to follow suit.  And by the way, maybe a majority of voters voted for a smoking ban (of course people cry about supposedly dirty presidential elections when they didn't agree with the outcome, but surely this smoking vote was totally straight, since they agree wiht the outcome) but a majority of people didn't.  If 51% of people vote for something but only half of eligible voters show up, then only 25.5% voted in favor of something.  And that doesn't include kids, felons, and others who can't vote.  So this smoking ban is NOT a majority decision. 

 

And let me add that where I come from, people are raised to not even notice discomfort.  Unfortunately our younger generation seems to be in a hurry to yell about how awfull their upbringings were.  Parents smoked?  The horror!  Try going down to the VFW and telling all those guys they shouldn't be able to smoke in the VFW because of a b and c.  Do you guys have any damn idea what those guys went through when they were 20?  Years of exposure to toxic chemicals, gases, not to mention massive hearing damage, loss of limb, eyes, burns, terrible food, and so on.  Being witness to mass killings, killing people you don't know, etc.  And yet people on this forum complain about a lack of good sushi restaurants or whatever in their city.   

 

The point is, NYC is still a viable city for many people despite their smoking ban.

 

Cook the numbers any way you want: the smoking ban passed in a landslide. Not that this matters; democracy is not about mob rule, it's about citizens being free to vote their self-interests. You must think frightfully little of people to think that nearly two thirds of them were bamboozled. My interpretation is that most people don't consider the freedom to dirty the air to be an inalienable right.

 

Apparently none of the guys at the VFW hall are from where you're from, otherwise they'd be able to endure the discomfort of not smoking.

 

Pansies! All of 'em.

^^You know what...people used to drive around in cars without seatbelts on, we also used to leave our doors unlocked and open, we used to do a lot of things that are no longer acceptable and/or considered safe habits.  Wake up, 50 yrs ago...was 50 yrs ago!!!  We live in the present not the past.

 

As for your voting comment and how technically the majority didn't pass the ban.  Well then that is the case with nearly every damn election process our country has had.  I guess we should go back to the drawing board with this whole voting thing.  Of course not everyone showed up, but the majority of people who did voted for the ban.  In statistics we call that a simple random sample of the survey population.  Those who are eligible to vote each had an equal opportunity to do so.  Therefore the sample that showed up is technically representative of the population...like it or not, thats the way the cookie crumbles.

when you get really really really sick use it to quit smoking.

^^You know what...people used to drive around in cars without seatbelts on, we also used to leave our doors unlocked and open, we used to do a lot of things that are no longer acceptable and/or considered safe habits.  Wake up, 50 yrs ago...was 50 yrs ago!!!  We live in the present not the past.

 

Well, its like the magazine, "The Good 'Ol Days". It preaches and harps about the "good 'ol days" of the 1920s and 1930s and so on, but what about now? I had a very pleasant childhood and so did millions upon millions of others, yet you don't see us making a scene of how good we have it. Maybe in 2050, perhaps. But we have it pretty damn sweet now, smoking ban or not, and we should be thanking our country for allowing the citizens the _right_ to _vote_ in a _democratic_ method. We could have been unfortunate to have grown up in a dictatorship reign, like Cuba or North Korea you know...

I quit once using the patch, and after foolishly letting myself start up again, I quit a second time four years later using the nicotine gum...and I can say that the nicotine gum ROCKS THE FREE WORLD for quitting smoking.  Cold turkey, as Kingfish said - I had to have an inviolable rule that said zero cigarettes - none of that just one, I've been so good for so long now - that's bullshiznit, it's a short-circuit straight back to smoking full time again - leads directly back.

 

But the gum was great, because a) it helped knock the peak off the big jonesing fits, but b) it was also a little mini-reward.  The hardest thing about quitting the first time was being an uncomfortable pissy bitch, sure, but the second hardest thing was getting into my car after work and having it dawn on me that I couldn't light up.  It was the disappointment, that was perpetually with me...but the gum is its own reward.  It's not as awesome as a cigarette, but it's something - and it's enough.

 

And to be honest, the gum worked so well that I had a harder time quitting the gum in September than I had quitting smoking in July.  But hell, after two or three months you're seeing so many positive results that you can really see past the pissyness you feel and get off nicotine entirely.

 

All that being said, damnit do I miss smoking...man, I loved to smoke...but I'm thrilled that I never plan to inhale smoke again in my life - except second-hand incense smoke!

 

"I ordered a Zima, not emphysema"

 

:-D

I heard on public radio that there is a coupling between caffeine use and nicotine addiction.  The gist of this is that if one wishes to quit smoking, they should first ramp down their coffee drinking.  This report was a long time ago.  Share it with someone you love.

I heard on public radio that there is a coupling between caffeine use and nicotine addiction.  The gist of this is that if one wishes to quit smoking, they should first ramp down their coffee drinking.  This report was a long time ago.  Share it with someone you love.

 

and I also read a report that concluded that cigarette addiction is completely due to a mental link and not nicotine.

I heard on public radio that there is a coupling between caffeine use and nicotine addiction.  The gist of this is that if one wishes to quit smoking, they should first ramp down their coffee drinking.   This report was a long time ago.  Share it with someone you love.

 

Thats funny, I drink on average 10-15 cups of coffee a day.  I've lost the ability to blink, but I have never had the urge to smoke.

I quit once using the patch, and after foolishly letting myself start up again, I quit a second time four years later using the nicotine gum...and I can say that the nicotine gum ROCKS THE FREE WORLD for quitting smoking.  Cold turkey, as Kingfish said - I had to have an inviolable rule that said zero cigarettes - none of that just one, I've been so good for so long now - that's bullshiznit, it's a short-circuit straight back to smoking full time again - leads directly back.

 

Hey, whatever works, works.

 

From a behavior-modification standpoint--and in the larger statistical picture--cold turkey is still most effective.

 

I had my moment of clarity, and I really, really wanted to quit, so I ran with it. It shoved me to the realization that, after the physical addiction (which DOES exist, and persists along with the nicotine in your system for several days after your final smoke), the thing that was keeping me smoking was the good old power of rationalization. In my frightful state in the hours and days after my last one (I smoked the equivalent of 2 packs a day), I began to see the addiction as a parasitic entity; a malevolent force residing within my body, controlling me like a marionette, dancing me up to the gas station to pick up its fix. When I landed, I felt like a million bucks, which is to say, I felt normal. At this point I'd sooner put a straight razor in my mouth than light up. Mmm. Slicey...

 

Anywho, once I stripped away the power of rationalization, I saw that smoking was a binary thing. It was either bad, or it was not. My mind grasped the fact that smoking had no positive benefits (save for weight loss, but if you want to lose weight bad enough, I know a couple of guys in Detroit who'll remove several pounds of non-essential organs for a meager clean-up fee), so for me to keep smoking, I would have to accept the fact that with no gripes or remorse, I was committing to suicide.

 

Either you're a smoker, or you're not. To paraphrase Yoda (who according to a myspace personality test I once took is the Star Wars character I would be if I were a Star Wars character) "Smoke or not smoke. There is no try."

 

This preceding was paid for by Fish Against Smoking, Columbus, OH 43215

I heard on public radio that there is a coupling between caffeine use and nicotine addiction. The gist of this is that if one wishes to quit smoking, they should first ramp down their coffee drinking. This report was a long time ago. Share it with someone you love.

 

and I also read a report that concluded that cigarette addiction is completely due to a mental link and not nicotine.

 

actually the relationship between caffeine and nicotine is that caffeine increases the speed at which your body can absorb nicotine.

At this point I'd sooner put a straight razor in my mouth than light up.

 

...man, at this point I'd LOVE to have a smoke...but I know that I shouldn't, I'm thrilled that I've quit, and I'm far happier not smoking - nonetheless, I'd love to light up a Marlboro and drink deep of its beautiful, lovely smokey goodness...mmm...

 

Honest, I'm strong!

 

Sounds like the only river you're viewing is denial.

No doubt...I have very weak will power and an obsessive personality...but hey, I haven't smoked in nine months!  Wish me continued success!

 

^ hang in there river dude, you can do it!

 

even tho business has actually markedly risen since the smokes ban in nyc, there are still a few kinks...it seems that the wiseguys are still having some trouble adjusting -- all you sopranos fans will love this read:

 

 

Smoking Ban Sets Off Brawl Among Wiseguys

Gang Land

 

By JERRY CAPECI

December 7, 2006

 

Everyone knew that banning smoking in all New York City public buildings, including bars and restaurants, was a volatile issue that would spark controversy and opposition. But who would've thought it would lead to a violent slugfest between two of the city's five families?

 

A case that's playing out in Manhattan Supreme Court shows that the city's tough Smoke-Free Air Act did just that.

 

***the rest of the story:

 

http://www.nysun.com/article/44755

 

 

Anybody see "Thank you for Smoking?"

 

Picked it up at the library this week.

Very Funny.

Nicely done.

my favorite line is

"Dad, why is america the greatest country in the world?"

"Our endless appeals system.

Anybody see "Thank you for Smoking?"

 

Picked it up at the library this week.

Very Funny.

Nicely done.

 

love that movie (owns it).

 

did you know that no one in the movie actually ever smokes?

my favorite line is

"Dad, why is america the greatest country in the world?"

"Our endless appeals system.

 

There are many great lines in it. I will have to re-watch again a few times before I start remembering them all.

 

Anybody see "Thank you for Smoking?"

 

Picked it up at the library this week.

Very Funny.

Nicely done.

 

love that movie (owns it).

 

did you know that no one in the movie actually ever smokes?

 

I didn't catch that. I did notice the patch abuse though.

From the 3/6/07 Miami Student:

 

 

Bars say smoking ban not bad for business

Christine Brady

Issue date: 3/6/07 Section: Community

 

Oxford bars may be smoke free since the ban passed in the November elections, but that does not mean smoking students are shying away from nighttime fun uptown.

 

Since the smoking ban went into effect Dec. 7 in Ohio, smokers have been forced to light up outside in all restaurants and bars. Yet Oxford restaurant and bar owners say they have not seen a significant decrease in sales so far.

 

Read more:

 

www.miamistudent.net/media/storage/paper776/news/2007/03/06/Community/Bars-Say.Smoking.Ban.Not.Bad.For.Business-2760054.shtml]http://media.www.miamistudent.net/media/storage/paper776/news/2007/03/06/Community/Bars-Say.Smoking.Ban.Not.Bad.For.Business-2760054.shtml

 

From the 3/7/07 Athens Messenger:

 

 

Puffing in the parking lot

Hocking College students, officials deal with smoking issue

MATT GALLAGHER

Messenger staff writer

 

NELSONVILLE - Go to the parking lot at Hocking College and you're likely to see some smokin' cars.

 

That's because the only designated smoking areas on Hocking College's campus are inside vehicles.

 

Hocking College President John Light had previously stated that there were several designated outside smoking areas. However, Hocking College's Campus Safety Office told The Messenger that smoking is allowed only in vehicles in the campus parking lot.

 

Light then clarified that there had been designated outside smoking areas before the state smoking ban in public places was enacted in December, but that students had ignored those areas and smoked where they pleased. Light confirmed that the only place on campus where smoking is allowed is in private vehicles.

 

Read more:

 

http://athensmessenger.com/Main.asp?SectionID=1&ArticleID=2799

 

From the 3/8/07 Youngstown Vindicator:

 

 

Bill would OK smoking by theater actors

Voters last November approved the prohibition against smoking in public places.

By MARC KOVAC

VINDICATOR CORRESPONDENT

 

COLUMBUS — Legislation before a state Senate committee Wednesday would allow actors to smoke during stage performances where puffing is integral to the story line.

 

Sen. Robert Schuler, a Republican from the Cincinnati area, offered sponsor testimony before the Health, Human Services and Aging Committee for his Senate Bill 38, which would exempt such activities from a statewide indoor smoking ban.

 

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^^ Chain smoking? I have a friend who goes up to Kent who smokes, and he stated that he smokes less because its so cumbersome to go and light up now. Exactly the intention of the law, but it can be too restrictive IMO.

^^ Chain smoking? I have a friend who goes up to Kent who smokes, and he stated that he smokes less because its so cumbersome to go and light up now. Exactly the intention of the law, but it can be too restrictive IMO.

 

i thought the intention of the law was to protect people from the affects of second hand smoke? If they wanted to get people to smoke less, raise taxes.

You are correct. I should have stated a side effect is that people would smoke less.

most studies indicate that bans of this nature have minimal impact upon reducing the number of regular smokers. There is moderate affect on "social smokers".

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