again, at this point it's not even about what Republicans have said or other Democrats have done (or said) or what the real statistics in terms of numbers are under Obama vs Bush or whatever; it's what the current administration said it would do and what they aren't doing; and ultimately about what's happening to people on an individual basis. Another perspective from an Ohio viewpoint (I'm guessing this story was inspired by the NY Times article):

 

Ohio, the other border

by: MARIBEL HASTINGS

april 8 2014

 

http://peoplesworld.org/ohio-the-other-border/

 

"It goes without saying that Republicans are the ones who are blocking reform in Congress. They don't seem to expect anything from them and when they're asked to name who is responsible for their uncertain state of being, they don't name any Republican, only Obama. The reason is simple Leonor, an undocumented woman who has lived in the U.S. for 20 years told me. She has four U.S. citizen children, and her husband was deported three years ago, after 24 years living in Ohio, the place where he graduated high school. "The Republicans didn't promise immigration reform. Obama did. Since he took office I put all my faith in him. I said, 'with him, nothing bad will happen to us.' And when the person who you think is going to help you the most actually disappoints you it hurts even more," Leonor said. She also has a deportation order."

Why are Republicans demonized on this issue?  Seriously?  Oh, nevermind.  This clip offers some reasons....

 

http://www.thewire.com/entertainment/2014/02/jon-stewart-explains-one-thing-blocking-immigration-reform-republicans/357988/

 

On a related note, I am willing to bet that every single latino EVD and Co. know voted for Obama in 2012 and "won't be making the same mistake again" in 2016 by voting for another democrat.  It'll be just like 2012 again!!  :-D

^I always appreciate your nuanced views :-), so I look forward to your response to Obama's actions on this issue too...oh, never mind.

 

 

On a related note, I am willing to bet that every single latino EVD and Co. know voted for Obama in 2012 and "won't be making the same mistake again" in 2016 by voting for another democrat.  It'll be just like 2012 again!!  :-D

 

Sadly it probably will be like 2012, if Democrats make the same false promises (i.e. lies) to the Latino community. Dare we believe them! :laugh: :roll:

 

^I don't have a response.  Immigration is not one of the issues which I really follow closely.  You won't find much of anything from me on it.  From the little I do know, I would've thought someone like you would be firmly in his corner on these actions (putting aside that you wouldn't be in his corner if he shat gold and cured cancer).  I didn't realize until today that you were in favor of lax interpretation and application of immigration laws and amnesty.  Good for you.  We might actually agree in principle on something.

 

^^I suppose it is just too bad that the latino community (in your mind at least) is not smart enough to see through these lies like good, God-fearing conservative America does

^I always try look out for the disenfranchised, as I thought Obama did too :-(; although I'm kind of surprised you have no response (to Obama's position), since you obviously seem to have your finger on the pulse of what Republican policy is on the issue. Oh well, I guess nobody can possibly know everything about everything, can they? :wink2:

Interesting.  So you are in favor of amnesty.  You are against voter ID laws, voter suppression, and other efforts designed to disenfranchise.  I suppose next you are going to tell us that you are fully behind gay marriage and your 'fix' for the ACA is universal healthcare.  All these years.... your schtick has been a farce.  Amusing.

^^I don't think anyone is saying that Obama isn't being criticized for not doing enough to ease deportations, and a large (and growing) portion of the left is unhappy with the policies of the administration. That said, most of the policies are based upon the administrations attempts to enforce the laws in place, even if they disagree with said laws.

 

I'm having trouble believing that.  He has no problem with choosing not to enforce laws he does agree with; his approach to enforcement of his own health care law has been risible (and I'll go beyond that to say flagrantly unconstitutional, to the point where it ought to be an impeachable offense, and I don't use that word lightly, though I also understand impeachment is now established as an almost purely political exercise and the GOP doesn't have the political clout to get it done).

 

I think the simpler conclusion is that he does in fact want to enforce existing immigration law at the level he's currently enforcing it.  I strongly doubt that at this point in his second term, he really sees much hope for a grand bargain on immigration and is acting for strategic political reasons.  Not with midterms coming up in the fall and a Congress that will likely be even more hostile afterward (though the GOP could easily misplay a decent hand this fall).  Remember that immigration is an issue that divides the coalitions in both parties.  As others already noted, many Republicans don't necessarily see eye-to-eye with the loudmouthed nativist firebrands.  However, in the Democratic camp, there have always been those who have raised objections to increasing the size of the labor force (especially the unskilled labor force); after all, one of the most strident voices arguing in favor of completely open borders has been the Wall Street Journal.

 

There will be some very vocal and visible Democrats opposing Obama's enforcement level on this issue, but I think he will be able to keep this up all the way through 2016, if he chooses, without seriously alienating unions or African-Americans ... two huge cornerstones of his base.  The Democratic constituencies that would object to this are (a) the more globalist elements (academia, the media, other intellectual elites), but they are unlikely to be so directly affected as to be truly inclined to leave the tent; and (b) Hispanics.  The latter is, of course, the more interesting one because of the likelihood of being personally effected by the policy (not just directly but through a personal connection, i.e., knowing someone who was deported or separated from a loved one due to the other's deportation).

Interesting.  So you are in favor of amnesty.  You are against voter ID laws, voter suppression, and other efforts designed to disenfranchise.  I suppose next you are going to tell us that you are fully behind gay marriage and your 'fix' for the ACA is universal healthcare.  All these years.... your schtick has been a farce.  Amusing.

ha ha, very funny! :laugh: But seriously, I guess life would be much simpler for me, if like you, my views could be informed by the kind of straightforward, knee-jerk one-size-fits-all rigidly partisan orthodoxy that characterizes your positions on all topics.

Oh, you two are meant for each other.

Oh, you two are meant for each other.

 

Oh, just because I fully and ardently support gay rights, does not mean I bat for the same team as EVD

Interesting.  So you are in favor of amnesty.  You are against voter ID laws, voter suppression, and other efforts designed to disenfranchise.  I suppose next you are going to tell us that you are fully behind gay marriage and your 'fix' for the ACA is universal healthcare.  All these years.... your schtick has been a farce.  Amusing.

ha ha, very funny! :laugh: But seriously, I guess life would be much simpler for me, if like you, my views could be informed by the kind of straightforward, knee-jerk one-size-fits-all rigidly partisan orthodoxy that characterizes your positions on all topics.

 

Any day you want, I will put my record on this site of criticizing the current administration with your record of complimenting it.  Let me know if you are up to the challenge.  In fact, I'll let you include in your tally any criticism you've ever posted of any GOPer on this site and I'll limit my criticisms to just Obama.  We'll see who fits that "one-size fits all rididly partisan orthodoxy"

The goofball Butler County Sheriff made The Blaze

 

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2014/07/25/heres-what-happened-after-an-ohio-sheriff-sent-a-bill-to-the-mexican-president-for-the-illegals-in-his-jail/

... and no discussion about crime and safety in Hamilton can exclude this guy:

 

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/06/11/edwin-tobergta-sex-pool-raft-_n_5485696.html

 

Enquirer headline: Trump's campaign reaches out to Butler County sheriff

 

They really do seem like a perfect match.

In an effort to "prove" once and for all that Painesville is not a sanctuary city, it's cracking down on illegal immigrants. Well, some of them anyway. You know, those committing serious crimes :|. And since it's optional, does that make it "sanctuary-ish?"

Painesville police will notify ICE about cases involving drugs, violent crimes (photos)

 

http://www.cleveland.com/metro/index.ssf/2017/05/painesville_police_issue_polic.html

 

Grant Segall, The Plain Dealer By Grant Segall, The Plain Dealer

Email the author | Follow on Twitter

on May 05, 2017 at 8:01 AM, updated May 05, 2017 at 8:13 AM

 

PAINESVILLE, Ohio--Painesville city police have adopted a policy about when to notify immigration officials about foreigners at odds with the law.

 

Under the policy, issued this month by Chief Anthony Powalie, police will call U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement about any foreigner charged with drug offenses or violent crimes, including domestic violence and driving while impaired. Police will also call about any foreigner found to be affiliated with gangs or other criminal groups.

 

The policy makes it optional to call federal officials about foreigners suspected only of being here illegally. It also offers to help foreigners seeking special visas as crime victims or witnesses.

I've lost track of how many immigration threads there are but I'll just put this here. This is a horrible story if it's accurate. I guess it shows what a mess this situation is and how many administrations, both Democrat and Republican, did nothing to keep it in check. It really is sad

 

Injured Painesville man deported to Mexico, then kidnapped, lawyer says

 

http://blog.cleveland.com/metro/2017/07/injured_painesville_man_deport.html

 

 

 

trying to clarify what sanctuary cities can or cannot do:

 

http://www.chroniclet.com/Local-News/2017/05/02/Ritenauer-says-federal-funding-isn-39-t-in-jeopardy-from-Lorain-39-s-immigration-policies.html

I've lost track of how many immigration threads there are but I'll just put this here. This is a horrible story if it's accurate. I guess it shows what a mess this situation is and how many administrations, both Democrat and Republican, did nothing to keep it in check. It really is sad

 

Injured Painesville man deported to Mexico, then kidnapped, lawyer says

 

http://blog.cleveland.com/metro/2017/07/injured_painesville_man_deport.html

 

 

Deportee kidnap victim freed, talks of beatings and starvation

http://www.cleveland.com/metro/index.ssf/2017/07/deportee_kidnap_victim_freed_t.html

 

meanwhile...

The saga continues. While I have mixed feelings about illegal immigration, and certainly there's no justification for some of the public comments I have seen in Cleveland media outlets regarding this situation, I wonder why the intense focus on this issue now, when Obama deported more people than any other president. Where was the outrage over his actions? That was rhetorical. We all know why it was winked at and virtually ignored, since it didn't fit the Democrat agenda as him being some great humanitarian. Except even during Obama's reign, the Latino community was speaking up about it, but it went largely unreported.

 

and for the next installment in this series, Painesville city manager Monica Irelan clarifies the new (and seemingly always in a state of flux) immigration policy. There's already controversy about the formation of task force in regard to this issue and the city's outreach to La Raza, the Latino advocacy group.

 

Meanwhile, over the weekend, a plan to place an OVI checkpoint at an intersection in a part of town with a large Mexican population was deemed, by a newly arrived resident (and apparent SJW), to be a ruse intended to nab illegal immigrants and send them packing. Additionally, 3 Latinas are running for city council in the upcoming primary against a one time councilman and former classmate of mine who apparently is regarded as the official town xenophobe (I hope they all win--lol)

 

Another Viewpoint: Painesville’s stance on immigration explained, clarified

 

http://www.news-herald.com/opinion/20170818/another-viewpoint-painesvilles-stance-on-immigration-explained-clarified

 

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Questions about police checkpoint in Painesville

 

http://www.wkyc.com/news/local/lake-county/questions-about-police-checkpoint-in-painesville/465550809

 

 

okay, this is just getting to be nuts

 

Painesville sued over alleged ‘secret’ immigration task force meetings

By Tracey Read, The News-Herald

POSTED: 08/29/17, 5:45 PM EDT

 

http://www.news-herald.com/general-news/20170829/painesville-sued-over-alleged-secret-immigration-task-force-meetings

DACA rally tomorrow @2:30 in Painesville

 

DACA rally scheduled in downtown Painesville

 

http://www.news-herald.com/general-news/20170912/daca-rally-scheduled-in-downtown-painesville

well, for the umpteenth-umpteenth-umpteenth time Painesville "clarifies" its immigration policy (resulting, of course, in more confusion); and two Mexican-American candidates run for city council (fears of a Latino takeover are already brewing among some of the more...uh...unenlightened citizens :-X )

 

http://www.cleveland.com/metro/index.ssf/2017/10/painesville_outlines_its_posit.html

 

another deportation looming

 

Rally held in support of Painesville woman set for deportation

 

http://www.wkyc.com/news/local/lake-county/rally-held-in-support-of-painesville-woman-set-for-deportation/492631077

The Globe and Mail, Canada's equivalent to the New York Times, recently did a story on the plight of Beatriz Morelos. Well written but no doubt a self-aggrandizing attempt to demonstrate the "moral superiority" of Canadian culture ::) (as if Canada doesn't have any immigration laws or doesn't enforce them)

 

Deportation in Trump's America: 'My life, my house, my children. Everything in one second'

 

https://beta.theglobeandmail.com/news/world/a-story-of-loss-and-deportation-in-trumps-america/article36823723/?ref=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.theglobeandmail.com&service=mobile

the tone of this memo is so patronizing. No one is opposed to legal immigration. I wonder if ICE agents are welcome to attend

 

No one is opposed to legal immigration.

 

Completely false. Trump wants to cut legal immigration in half.

No one is opposed to legal immigration.

 

Completely false. Trump wants to cut legal immigration in half.

 

It's like Trumpies don't even read what Trump is proposing.

On 11/17/2017 at 2:22 PM, eastvillagedon said:

another deportation looming

 

Rally held in support of Painesville woman set for deportation

 

http://www.wkyc.com/news/local/lake-county/rally-held-in-support-of-painesville-woman-set-for-deportation/492631077

 

can they do this? I guess they just did

 

Painesville woman deported to Mexico files federal lawsuit against ICE

 

https://www.news5cleveland.com/news/local-news/investigations/painesville-woman-deported-to-mexico-files-federal-lawsuit-against-ice

 

PAINESVILLE, Ohio — "Esperanza Pacheco Padilla of Painesville has filed a federal lawsuit against the U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement agency, 14 months after the mother of four was deported to Mexico in Nov. 2017.

 

The lawsuit filed by civil rights attorney David Malik alleges ICE failed to respond to multiple public records requests in releasing details on how the agency makes its decisions on who will be deported and when."

this could be interesting, or it could turn into a xenophobic shouting match (but it probably won't since it's hosted by PBS. You know how erudite their shows are?)

 

https://www.news-herald.com/news/lake-county/immigration-forum-discussion-to-be-held-in-painesville/article_7ee9162a-361d-11e9-bce4-7b335a2baac4.html

 

Immigration forum, discussion to be held in Painesville

 

Painesville’s Morley Library will be hosting a public forum and discussion that will focus on immigration.

 

The March 6 event will be the first stop in a Sound of Ideas Community Tour hosted and produced by Ideastream, the parent company of local public television station WVIZ.

 

“Right now we’re having a national debate over many things: the idea of border security, immigrants overcoming violence, are they contributing to the economy, are they taking advantage of certain services?," Rachel Rood, a producer with Ideastream, said of the event. "There are lot of conversations about immigration, whether we should create a path to citizenship for people who are receiving DACA or those who are undocumented.”

 

Rood highlighted the importance of where the discussion was being held.

 

“All these things are playing out on a national level, we can really see a microcosm of that in Painesville," she said. "We thought it would be a great place to have this conversation, especially because it has been so relevant in the national conversation lately.”

Edited February 23, 20196 yr by eastvillagedon

A xenophobic shouting match?  Trump is coming to Painesville to "discuss" immigration?

 

Also, if they're going to hold the forum asking baited questions that already have well-established answers, such as if immigrants contribute to the economy, then it seems a bit of a sham to me. 

Edited February 24, 20196 yr by jonoh81

2 hours ago, jonoh81 said:

1) A xenophobic shouting match?  Trump is coming to Painesville to "discuss" immigration?

 

2 )Also, if they're going to hold the forum asking baited questions that already have well-established answers, such as if immigrants contribute to the economy, then it seems a bit of a sham to me. 

 

1) you really need to develop more of a sense of humor

 

2) sometimes questions require more complex and nuanced answers than your simplistic views allow

Ohio’s “Brain Drain” Counterbalanced With Immigration

 

A panel of economists overwhelmingly agreed that the influx of skilled immigrants is helping to ease the loss of highly educated native-born Ohioans. They were much more ambivalent about whether lower-skilled immigrants are depressing wages for everyone.

 

The issue of immigration is a hot one, with former President Donald Trump flooding the zone with inflammatory, often inaccurate statements about newcomers. 

 

But according to at least one pollster, the issue isn’t as urgent as seven others, including education, Social Security, and health care costs. Topping the list assembled in March by the Pew Research Center was strengthening the economy.

As it turns out, there’s an important nexus between immigration and strengthening the economy. 

 

There are 8.5 million vacant jobs in the United States, and about 50% of the supercharged growth in the recent job market has been attributed to the recent surge in migration. 

 

But that leaves the question of who is affected economically by immigration and how.

 

The panel of 19 Ohio economists was surveyed by Scioto Analysis. There was a clear consensus when they were asked whether they agreed that “An increase in the proportion of skilled immigrant workers has helped counteract human capital loss known as ‘brain drain’ in Ohio over the past 10 years.”

 

More below:

https://columbusunderground.com/ohios-brain-drain-counterbalanced-with-immigration-ocj1/

 

no comment except to say this is from the Washington Post, a publication not known for a particularly balanced approach in respect to examining the policies of the previous tenure of the forthcoming administration

 

 

Edited December 15, 2024Dec 15 by eastvillagedon

22 hours ago, eastvillagedon said:

no comment except to say this is from the Washington Post, a publication not known for a particularly balanced approach in respect to examining the policies of the previous tenure of the forthcoming administration

 

 

 

What's the "balanced" view here? Is Trump not promising to do exactly what this article is discussing? 

2 hours ago, jonoh81 said:

 

What's the "balanced" view here? Is Trump not promising to do exactly what this article is discussing? 

 

Article is behind a paywall. Can someone pls summarize? 

1 hour ago, surfohio said:

 

Article is behind a paywall. Can someone pls summarize? 

You can get at least one free article from the WaPo if you type in your email address, and enter a password. Once I did that I was able to keep reading.

Advocates Push for Assistance with Ohio’s Immigrant Communities

 

President-elect Trump won on Nov. 5 after a campaign that demonized immigrants and promised mass deportations, and that has stoked fears among many in the immigrant community. If you want to help them, there’s quite a bit you can do, advocates said.

 

Trump and Vice President-elect J.D. Vance last summer raised fears among Springfield’s Haitian community as they repeated false claims that they were stealing and eating their neighbors’ pets. 

 

The claims and the resulting bomb and death threats terrorized Springfield’s Haitians, and those fears have only grown since the election, members of the community said. Now many are worried that Trump will send them back to a violence-torn home country that lacks a functioning government.

 

More below:

https://columbusunderground.com/advocates-push-for-assistance-with-ohios-immigrant-communities-ocj1/

 

It would be really cool to get a group together that would patronize immigrant-owned business in Springfield. I would invite a few journalist friends along to help spread the word. 

 

Also I am pretty intrigued that Springfield is pretty close to the Ohio to Erie bike trail. I definitely wanna hit that up when I get back to Ohio in the spring. Excursion to Springfield would be in order. 

2 hours ago, surfohio said:

It would be really cool to get a group together that would patronize immigrant-owned business in Springfield.

 

@BigDipper 80, @SWOH, & I have already done that and it was awesome.

9 hours ago, ColDayMan said:

 

@BigDipper 80, @SWOH, & I have already done that and it was awesome.

 

Great to hear! 

a young Ukrainian immigrant joins the Mentor High School hockey team🏒

 

¡Ay caramba! Well, there's no shortage of opinions 😵

 

https://www.facebook.com/PCLSdistrict/posts/pfbid0g9emJCT4eSka1buitKmdmnurHUBo5GcW1KNvMzGvu2vGYZxzC8FB1XkoT9GjqaD5l

 

"Important message from Painesville City Schools to the Painesville community:

 

In light of the new directives from the U.S. Department of Homeland Security regarding federal immigration enforcement policies, the PCLS Board of Education and entire administrative team would like to assure you that every child is welcome and safe in our schools. ALL students have the same rights to attend our schools regardless of their background, as protected by the 14th Amendment.

 

Further, we take very seriously our duty to do absolutely everything in our power to ensure the rights, safety, and well-being of our students and families and remain committed to upholding these important responsibilities."

 

 

5 hours ago, eastvillagedon said:

¡Ay caramba! Well, there's no shortage of opinions 😵

 

https://www.facebook.com/PCLSdistrict/posts/pfbid0g9emJCT4eSka1buitKmdmnurHUBo5GcW1KNvMzGvu2vGYZxzC8FB1XkoT9GjqaD5l

 

"Important message from Painesville City Schools to the Painesville community:

 

In light of the new directives from the U.S. Department of Homeland Security regarding federal immigration enforcement policies, the PCLS Board of Education and entire administrative team would like to assure you that every child is welcome and safe in our schools. ALL students have the same rights to attend our schools regardless of their background, as protected by the 14th Amendment.

 

Further, we take very seriously our duty to do absolutely everything in our power to ensure the rights, safety, and well-being of our students and families and remain committed to upholding these important responsibilities."

 

 

 

Are you objecting to their message, or what was the "no shortage of opinions" part about? 

They should detail what they would actually do in case ICE stormtroopers show up to harass or kidnap Hispanic kids. Is there local coordination with PD? With parents? Would the school consider funding armed security? Are there evacuations planned?

17 hours ago, jonoh81 said:

 

Are you objecting to their message, or what was the "no shortage of opinions" part about? 

 

what was the "no shortage of opinions" part about? 

 

I guess I wasn't specific enough, but I assumed it was understood that people would click on the facebook link showing the many varied comments on this matter (now 248) 

16 hours ago, TBideon said:

They should detail what they would actually do in case ICE stormtroopers show up to harass or kidnap Hispanic kids. Is there local coordination with PD? With parents? Would the school consider funding armed security? Are there evacuations planned?

 

Armed security?    Against federal agents?   

15 hours ago, TBideon said:

They should detail what they would actually do in case ICE stormtroopers show up to harass or kidnap Hispanic kids. Is there local coordination with PD? With parents? Would the school consider funding armed security? Are there evacuations planned?

I'm not sure what's  going on. I checked the HOLA Ohio facebook page and there's no update about this. Painesville has gotten some national attention regarding illegal immigration, most recently from the Washington Post article from last month, and I recall a story in the New York Times from a number of years ago, as well as one from Canada's Globe and Mail from 2017 (https://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/world/a-story-of-loss-and-deportation-in-trumps-america/article36823723/), so I'm guessing this has drawn a bit more than average attention to the issue there. No doubt HOLA and others involved are working on a plan, but for now are flying under the radar in order not be too confrontational, but as far as I know there have been no incidents with ICE or any other law enforcement agency entering schools to apprehend children anywhere in the nation.

 

16 hours ago, TBideon said:

They should detail what they would actually do in case ICE stormtroopers show up to harass or kidnap Hispanic kids. Is there local coordination with PD? With parents? Would the school consider funding armed security? Are there evacuations planned?

 

Hiring armed security to fight against government officials who are lawfully detaining individuals that are breaking the law seems like a recipe for disaster.