Well, it looks like the 2010 governor race is underway.  And only 17 months until election day!

 

Kasich announces run for governor in 2010

Former Republican congressman said he can 'right the ship' of Ohio

Monday,  June 1, 2009 - 9:53 PM

By Mark Niquette, The Columbus Dispatch

 

Former Republican U.S. Rep. John R. Kasich formally announced his 2010 campaign for governor tonight, saying he can "right the ship" of Ohio.

 

"We have to face facts: We've drifted in Ohio, and it just hasn't been one political party," Kasich said during his kick-off event in front of the Everal Barn in Westerville, his hometown. 

 

More at

http://www.dispatch.com/live/content/local_news/stories/2009/06/01/kasich_runs.html?sid=101

Kasich formally declares run for governor

Business First of Columbus

Tuesday, June 2, 2009, 9:36am EDT

 

Former U.S. Rep. John Kasich announced a run for governor on Monday evening, telling supporters in Westerville he’s aiming for a fundamental shift in the state’s leadership.  Kasich, a Republican known these days for his appearances on Fox News, made the announcement in his hometown after more than a year traveling around the state, speaking at Republican dinners and fundraisers and meeting with Ohioans.  Kasich’s campaign in a release estimated about 2,000 supporters attended the event.

 

http://columbus.bizjournals.com/columbus/stories/2009/06/01/daily14.html?surround=lfn

I was just contacted by Lee Fishers office to work on the campaign given my past experience... he lives a block from me in Shaker and I can personally say that very few people have leached off of public money for as long as that man.  I wish his family the best but Fisher is case in point a typical liberal leach on honest working peoples money.

Needless to say I declined.  All the candidates suck... as usual.

If Kasich can do something to make Ohio more business friendly I'm for him.  This NCR/Georgia thing really woke me up on this issue.

If Kasich pulls something out of his butt that isn't tax breaks and loans for individual businesses and a generic "cut taxes" campaign I'll certainly listen, but I doubt that'll happen.

Kasich hates 3-C Corridor passenger rail. So he's already on my shit list.

POST A POLL ON THIS THREAD PLEASE.

 

I posted a poll on this race on JJHuddle.com and I am pretty shocked by the amount of support for Kasich against Strickland. Like me, many 2006 Strickland supporters are backing Kasich in 2010.

 

Link to the JJHuddle.com thread: http://www.jjhuddle.com/forums/showthread.php?t=208198

I'm disppointed with Strickland, but it would take an epiphany on Kasich's part for me to support him.  We have problems that tax cuts can't solve.  Ohio's business taxes were completely rewritten under Taft and the changes are still coming into effect.  Let's give that plan a chance before we rewrite the code again.

Im thinking a radical conservative makeover of Ohio might be worth trying.  Making Ohio the equivilant of a southern state like Georgia or the Carolinas in terms of taxes and regulations.  That would only happen if Kaisich has a working conservative GOP majority in the statehouse.

 

 

It could work, but not the southern model.  If we went hardcore pro-business for a while, in terms of budget-slashing and regulatory clean-up, it might accomplish something good.  But one of the other things it might accomplish is short-circuiting the urban movement.  Of course some business interests are pro-urban and pro-transit and what not, but many aren't.  Or maybe they aren't yet convinced it's favorable to them.  Either way, politics places pro-business with anti-urban and that isn't going to change soon, unfortunately.   

POST A POLL ON THIS THREAD PLEASE.

 

Poll has been added.

POST A POLL ON THIS THREAD PLEASE.

 

Poll has been added.

Thanks.

 

I'd love to hear some of the accomplishments of Strickland because our state is in an even bigger mess with him at the helm than it was with Taft at the helm, which I never thought would be possible because Taft was a disgrace as Governor. I supported Strickland in 2006, but he has done nothing to get my vote in 2010.

Kasich hates 3-C Corridor passenger rail. So he's already on my sh!t list.

 

Was just about to ask if anyone knew his position on the 3C corridor. I'm a strong republican, but have been pretty content with Strickland and the 3C corridor is a big thing for me.

Uh Oh!!!

Strickland's lead down to just 2 points: http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/pdf/PPP_Release_Ohio_62103.pdf

 

Strickland: 44%

Kasich: 42%

Kasich is a RINO! If you want a true CONSERVATIVE governor, State Sen. Kevin Coughlin is your man.

Who the h*ll here would want a "true conservative governor"?

 

Anyways, gotta back Strickland on this one. Although he's screwed Dayton over a few times with Twin Valley and other stuff, I still think he's held us stable as a state, and he supports 3-C. What's to lose?

If Kasich has any ideas on how to balance the budget while cutting taxes that don't involve massive service cuts, I haven't seen or heard them. I even went so far as to write and ask for his position on some issues. I haven't heard back from his campaign, so I guess he either doesn't have a position, or realizes from the way I phrased my questions that it would be a waste of his time to tell me he disagrees with me. Either way, I guess that means I'm voting for Strickland, regardless of how much I disagree with him on some issues.

If Kasich has any ideas on how to balance the budget while cutting taxes that don't involve massive service cuts, I haven't seen or heard them. I even went so far as to write and ask for his position on some issues. I haven't heard back from his campaign, so I guess he either doesn't have a position, or realizes from the way I phrased my questions that it would be a waste of his time to tell me he disagrees with me. Either way, I guess that means I'm voting for Strickland, regardless of how much I disagree with him on some issues.

 

Actually, if he would man up and let it be known which services he'd be cutting, I'd have a lot more respect for the man.  However, my understanding of him thus far is that he's one of the most rabid devotees of supply-side economyths, which basically says that you can cut taxes without cutting services because the increased economic activity will generate more in tax revenue than the treasury received under the previous rates.  The problem is that all of its adherents have basically run up staggering deficits every time they've been in control of budgets in which deficit spending was permissible.  Its adherents conveniently ignore or minimize this, which is why I'll never be voting for one.

 

Strickland has cut some programs near and dear to my heart, but given the size of the state's budget hole and the amount of programs I consider worthwhile (including non-life-and-death matters like libraries and parks), that was going to happen to something I cared about.  There was absolutely no way he was going to satisfy everyone completely.  (Heck, there were some people he wasn't going to be able to satisfy even partially.)  I think he's played a bad hand pretty well, though, so assuming that his record stays roughly at this level, he'll be getting a vote for a second term from me.

Kasich is the best choice, by far.  I think it is obvious the Strickland experiment should not be continued for a 2nd term.  Perhaps the Dems can field a real challenge for the nomination, or does that just not happen?

Kasich is the best choice, by far. I think it is obvious the Strickland experiment should not be continued for a 2nd term. Perhaps the Dems can field a real challenge for the nomination, or does that just not happen?

 

A real challenge for what nomination?  You mean another Democrat to try to knock off Strickland in the primary?  Who, and why?

Kasich is the best choice, by far. I think it is obvious the Strickland experiment should not be continued for a 2nd term. Perhaps the Dems can field a real challenge for the nomination, or does that just not happen?

What specifically do you like about Kasich? I don't feel I know enough about what he wants to do. The "what I stand for" portion of his website consists of 6 sentences and basically tells me nothing about him.

Kasich is the best choice, by far.  I think it is obvious the Strickland experiment should not be continued for a 2nd term.  Perhaps the Dems can field a real challenge for the nomination, or does that just not happen?

 

A real challenge for what nomination?  You mean another Democrat to try to knock off Strickland in the primary?  Who, and why?

Yes, the Democratic primary and because he has been terrible. (like all our governors in my 20 years as a voter).  Maybe another Dem can do a better job.  Ohio has been getting killed by other states for too long.

Kasich is the best choice, by far.  I think it is obvious the Strickland experiment should not be continued for a 2nd term.  Perhaps the Dems can field a real challenge for the nomination, or does that just not happen?

What specifically do you like about Kasich? I don't feel I know enough about what he wants to do. The "what I stand for" portion of his website consists of 6 sentences and basically tells me nothing about him.

He's more of a fiscal conservative than any politician in Ohio.  I hope he has future plans beyond the governors job.

Kasich is the best choice, by far. I think it is obvious the Strickland experiment should not be continued for a 2nd term. Perhaps the Dems can field a real challenge for the nomination, or does that just not happen?

 

A real challenge for what nomination? You mean another Democrat to try to knock off Strickland in the primary? Who, and why?

Yes, the Democratic primary and because he has been terrible. (like all our governors in my 20 years as a voter). Maybe another Dem can do a better job. Ohio has been getting killed by other states for too long.

 

I stand by my 8/25/09 post.  Strickland has made tough choices and played a bad hand well.  You're just giving me vague rants.  What has he done (or not done) that's been so terrible?  What would you have done differently if you were the benevolent dictator, and would whatever that is have been politically possible given the constellation of power in Ohio's other political bodies, as well as at the federal level?

 

At a time when hundreds of Ohio jurisdictions--cities, townships, counties, school districts--are going begging the voters for more money even in the midst of a recession, Strickland has stepped up and cut spending, even where it hurt.  And all you've got to say about it is that he's been "terrible."  Well, unless you can give me examples, I give the same label to your argument.

1.  His illadvised education plan that includes lengthening the school year.  No way districts can afford that.  If they had the money, it would be better used in other ways.  Even the normally Dem obsessed teachers unions looked at him like he was nuts.

2.  His cuts to libraries, state parks, and public transportation.

3.  His casino plan is terrible.  The "slot machines" will payout significantly less than Vegas slots, perhaps the worst odds of all the surrounding states, in order to be profitable (taxed @ 50% (highest in country), already determined to be unsustainable in other states (see FL, IL).  Savvy gamblers will know this and we will be reading articles on Lower Than Projected Revenues soon enough.  And not to mention us voters have turned down gamblig at least 4 times in the last 20 years.

 

I suspect that if Ken Blackwell were governor and made all the same decisions, you would not be as forgiving.

I support lengthening the school year, and the teachers' unions' opposition doesn't exactly cause me to rethink that position.  In fact, I think Strickland was too modest.  The school year is 225 days is South Korea, 223 in Japan, and 221 in China.  Strickland wants to boost Ohio from 180 to a modest 200.  If anything, we should be looking at an Asian-length school year.  Ergo, not voting against Strickland based on this.

 

I was disappointed to see cuts to libraries, state parks, and public transportation.  However, unless you support tax increases, which I gather you don't, you'd need to find alternative places to make cuts.  Like I said earlier, these were tough decisions to make.  Cutting spending is never popular, since it generally means cutting services.  However, I give him credit for manning up and doing that rather than following what appears to be the first instinct of many Ohio legislators, which is to come begging the voters for more money (or, in some cases, where local governments have the power, simply raising taxes on their own).  What should he have cut instead?  Or should he have proposed tax increases?

 

I agree with you about the casino plan, and I'm going to continue to keep voting it down.  That's still not enough to get me to vote for someone else.

Maybe lengthening the school year is something to look into, but not now.  Funding is more important and there is just no way to fix anything if weighted down with the costs of a longer school year.

I'll propose some cuts.

Cut e-Tech Ohio, which just does not provide anything useful or new.  20 million a year. http://www.etech.ohio.gov/  <--note despite the claims, it does little for schools.  Too many private educational options on radio/satellite/internet for the Ohio government program to be relevant.

 

He should cut the Third Frontier program, whose seemingly random selection process for government handouts to corporations are exactly what citizens are prone to hate.  $100 million a year.  http://www.thirdfrontier.com/  Can Ohio really compete with investors already doing the same thing with 100 times the resources?

 

He should not have included up to $80 million on projects (not specified, at that) to improve broadband technology access.  Don't most of us already have that access?  And how many of those that don't even want it?  This was an Ohio Public Work Commission project.  Also can cut the Connect Ohio initiative that does the same thing.  http://www.connectohio.org/

 

Strickland should have proposed technology improvements.  The outdated IBM mainframes used cost MUCH more to operate than more modern technology (Intel, ADM, etc).

 

He needs to fix up the Department of Development (maybe not cut).  Now a billion+ dollars is handed out each year and not enough (or anything, really) is done to grade the results.  How else can we learn what is effective and not effective in bringing jobs and growth to Ohio.  How much is wasted?  Loans and tax credits are essential to Ohio's competiveness with other states, but if money is handed out with no follow up, what good is it to us?  Maybe their are no savings here and maybe not, but we can't know without better controls. http://www.odod.state.oh.us/  I also don't want either party to continue to have a huge slushfund to payoff friends and donors.

 

Cut Gordon Gee's salary (heard he was highest paid university president in US).  And review "executive" salaries at all public universities.  That portion of cost is growing faster than enrollment and actual educational expenses.

 

Cut funding even deeper to Cultural Facilities Commission and Ohio Arts Council.

 

Cut Ohio's Consumer Counsel completely out of budget.  http://www.pickocc.org/  Get this, this is funded by the state, then they spend a large portion lobbying the state legislature!  Holy misuse of tax dollars. 

 

Fees to enter state parks are probably inevitable, that should have been considered, many other states already do.  Why not pass a portion of costs to those that actually use the parks (including me).

I like Kasich, and I'll vote for him if he gets the nomination. 

 

However, even I'm not all that disgusted with Strickland.  Maybe 1% of the disdain I have for BHO. 

 

Against a CCV type of "cultural conservative", I'd even consider voting for him. 

 

Barring a scandal or a truly amazing meltdown by the Democrats, or perhaps the governor being (inexplicably) stupid enough to expend significant political capital in support of BHO, I don't see Strickland losing in 2010. 

 

I do think it's going to be a huge GOP year at the federal level.  But I think Ohio voters, while supporting Portman and their GOP congressional candidates, will display independence or residual cautiousness about the Republicans by backing Strickland.

 

1.  His illadvised education plan that includes lengthening the school year.  No way districts can afford that.  If they had the money, it would be better used in other ways.  Even the normally Dem obsessed teachers unions looked at him like he was nuts.

 

How is it illadvised?  He is adding 20 days that is phased in over a long period of time and most schools will only need to add 10 days.  In fact, the president is only just starting to talk about the same subject:

 

http://www.clevelandleader.com/node/11448

 

Let's be honest, kids need time off, but they don't need 3 months.  There are ways to do an all year calendar that adds minimal days to the 180 school year and still enables the students to be kids.  Also he is instituting all day kindergarten, eliminating the OGT's, added language to make it easier to dismiss bad teachers, changed in part the school funding formula (first time) and kept schools funded for the next 2 years so districts didn't have to go back to voters.  I think H.B.1 was a great success for Ohio and it's schools.  48 states cut funding to education this year, Ohio was not one of those.  :clap:

 

I think it was the best education plan that has come out of C-bus in a veeeery long time.  It's not perfect, but it was a great first step.  I will be voting for Strickland.

 

I think the bigger issue would be the cost of air conditioning since June, July, and August can get pretty sweltering in much of the country.

 

Again, they kids can get July off still and most schools end in mid June, have summer school until mid-July and start the 2-3 week of August anyway.  There are ways to do it right.  Time off is important, but it can be used better. 

^Michigan's tourism industry is one of the largest in the country, possibly the largest in summer. It's eons larger than Ohio's (which is just Ottawa and Erie counties).

 

Please cite sources

Some of this is TOTAL off subject, but an extended school year IS coming to Ohio (Thanks to H.B. 1 and TS) as well as the rest of the US.

 

I know there are costs associated with extending the school year, but it doesn't have to be "class room hours" American students, on an average, all ready spend more "instructional" time in school than their foreign counterparts.

 

Kids in the U.S. spend more hours in school (1,146 instructional hours per year) than do kids in the Asian countries that persistently outscore the U.S. on math and science tests — Singapore (903), Taiwan (1,050), Japan (1,005) and Hong Kong (1,013). That is despite the fact that Taiwan, Japan and Hong Kong have longer school years (190 to 201 days) than does the U.S. (180 days).

 

http://yesbuthowever.com/president-obama-presses-for-longer-school-year-8136124/

 

I think education needs an overhaul, at least what the goals of our educational system are.  Like I said before TS has taken a great first step with H.B.1  Though currently we have a system that if it did work (every kid went to college), it would be devastating.  Education needs to be more flexible, whether it be urban v suburban schools.  I truly believe that under the current system, schools rated excellent get to stay the same, schools rated below have an extended school year based on how poor their rating are.  Though I am not against a full year calendar for all schools, but I don't believe it should add NO more than 20 days to the schools year.  I would like to see flexible scheduling during summer months as well to incorporate civic and cultural studying during that time.

 

I also like the point that someone raised about colleges focusing more on career training than remediation and that truly should be the "job" of  K 12 education.  I would love to see better alignment between senior year of high school and freshman year of college.  I think we waste a TON of money on those services, and that job is better served by community colleges. 

 

   

jar, thanks for mentioning that bit of data about instructional hours. Education needs a total rethink. There is a lot of data out there that shows that students don't do well with the long summer break - esp. those from poorer/less stable home environments. I wouldn't add too many more days, but I'd create more short breaks. I might also have a more variable schedule through the year, such as starting later in the winter to move more of the day into daylight and get school transit out of the morning rush hour with weather issues. I'd have some summer schools start in the morning and end around lunch before the summer heat gets going. This would also give students with different circadian rhythms a chance to learn best. The country needs a more regularized schedule because a bigger uniform break in the spring, fall, and winter might give some of the 'summer' industry some other times to get folks.

Why not just have summer school for everyone who cant pass the Sr. tests or scores less then a B, that way if you need more education to get up to snuff you can get it. if you don't you can work and support the economy, and help your applications to scholarships for college.

dmerkow

 

when are you willing to run for office?

because

i want to vote for you,

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gaslight

 

Thanks to Google ads at the top of this page:

 

http://www.truthaboutkasich.com/

 

Candidate John Kasich was recruited to work as a Managing Director at Lehman Brothers by CEO and Chairman Richard Fuld. John Kasich worked at Lehman Brothers from 2001 through the subprime mortgage boom until Lehman Brothers filed for bankruptcy.

 

While investors and homeowners suffered, Lehman Brothers executives and employees were paid over $16 billion in bonuses.

 

We don't know how much John Kasich made because he won't release his tax returns. Now he wants to be Governor of Ohio!

 

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I recall how the majority party in the Ohio legislature voted to usurpt local laws regulating "predatory lending" and took away Cleveland's ability to prevent foreclosures.  It was the Republicans.  The Plain Dealer vowed to never endorse Tim Grendell of Chesterland.

 

 

 

The GOP's mission is ultimately to weaken urban areas and to disperse the Democrat's power base. It's part of their mission to destroy ACORN. The Democrats are trying to do the same thing by demonstrating that the religious right faction in the GOP controls the GOP and are a bunch of hypocrites like Gov. Sanford & Co.

 

Sometimes I wish the two parties would either:

 

A. Race each other to new heights of innovation, honesty, integrity and open-mindedness than engage in a race to the bottom of the sleaze pit. Or...

B. Go away.

The GOP's mission is ultimately to weaken urban areas and to disperse the Democrat's power base. It's part of their mission to destroy ACORN. The Democrats are trying to do the same thing by demonstrating that the religious right faction in the GOP controls the GOP and are a bunch of hypocrites like Gov. Sanford & Co.

 

Sometimes I wish the two parties would either:

 

A. Race each other to new heights of innovation, honesty, integrity and open-mindedness than engage in a race to the bottom of the sleaze pit. Or...

B. Go away.

 

Well said. We need a real liberal party in this country like Canada, which actually has more than one. Strickland is a moron and not more than a conservative/moderate dem and Kasich is a right-wing freak who subs in for the evil Bill Oreilly or should I say Bill O LIELY.

::)

Dynamite drop-in EagleFan.  Thanks for contributing  :wave:

Do I really need to respond in any more detail to crap like this?

The GOP's mission is ultimately to weaken urban areas and to disperse the Democrat's power base.

Bingo. The truth of the matter is that Democrats, even liberal Great Lakes ones like in office right now, are afraid to be true liberals. They play this centrist crap. Does it work? Absolutely, but if Republicans aren't afraid to be right wing conservatives, we shouldn't be afraid to be left wing liberals.

 

I'm fairly sure that the Democrats don't want to be the minority party for years to come.

 

Unfortunately, i don't see this country electing people that are far left.  maybe to smaller posts, but not in any sizable amount that would give them the ability to really move government.

 

I think most of the Democrats are actually very progressive in their ideas...but tend to be more realistic in their actions.  I'd also suggest that they tend to use less exaggeration and smears than the Republicans.

Governor Political has thrown in with the Ohio Farm Bureau to endorse the un-democratic issue 2 to prevent laws about animal cruelty.

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I had hoped that Governor Strickland, who was a psychologist to prison inmates, could have developed policies to reduce the prison population.  Prisons are a huge expense for Ohio taxpayers.  WE need to reduce recidivism.  We need to stop giving long sentences to convicts when it does not suit the crime.

 

Long imprisonments for marijuana and "three strikes, you're out" laws are a waste of public resources and a waste of lives.

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They would break hunger strikes by forcibly restraining prisoners and feeding them.  Once bound, they would jam this disk-shaped piece of plastic between their jaws to force the mouth open and then put a feeding tube down the prisoner's esophagus.  No problem finding a vein there.

Strickland, Kasich running neck and neck

Thursday,  November 12, 2009 - 3:15 AM

By Darrel Rowland

THE COLUMBUS DISPATCH

 

Here's what Ohioans have to look forward to in the coming year's gubernatorial race: "It portends a campaign that will drive you guys crazy with negative TV ads."  That's the assessment of Peter Brown, assistant director of the Quinnipiac University Polling Institute.  A new Quinnipiac Poll unveiled yesterday showed that Ohioans think Gov. Ted Strickland has done a poor job of handling the economy and has not kept his campaign promises.  As a result, Republican challenger John Kasich has pulled into a tie with the governor at 40 percentage points.

 

The dead heat less than a year before the 2010 gubernatorial election comes even though about 70 percent of Ohio voters don't know enough about Kasich to form a favorable or unfavorable opinion of him.  That means the TV ad battlefield likely will be shaped by Strickland campaign attempts to define Kasich negatively, while the Kasich team likely will try to keep the negatives flowing on Strickland, Brown said.

 

The survey is at www.quinnipiac.edu/images/polling/oh/oh11112009.doc.

 

Full story at http://www.dispatchpolitics.com/live/content/local_news/stories/2009/11/12/copy/quinn_poll.ART_ART_11-12-09_B1_7HFL7CL.html?adsec=politics&sid=101

Kasich 'tweets' his pick of Taylor as running mate

Thursday,  January 14, 2010 - 1:30 PM

Updated: Thursday, January 14, 2010 - 2:31 PM

By Joe Hallett and Mark Niquette

THE COLUMBUS DISPATCH

 

Republican John Kasich just made it official, "tweeting" to supporters that state Auditor Mary Taylor is joining his gubernatorial ticket.  Kasich and Taylor have scheduled a 3 p.m. news conference at the campaign's Downtown headquarters, but Kasich notified supporters at 1:30 p.m. via Twitter that Taylor would be his lieutenant governor candidate.

 

"Please join me in welcoming Mary Taylor as OH's next LG. We are committed to working to bring jobs and prosperity back to our sate (sic)," Kasich tweeted.

 

Full article at http://www.dispatchpolitics.com/live/content/local_news/stories/2010/01/14/kasichtaylora.html?adsec=politics&sid=101