^ Poll numbers are all over the place. Last week the PD had Kasichs up 10 points and that very same night I saw a Fox News poll, which one would expect to trend republican, that only had him up 5.

^ & ^^ Just because a TV network sponsered the poll doesn't mean it's a poll of their viewers.

understood, but nonetheless a 5 point swing was outside the margin of error for both polls.

Web polls are worthless, and not at all newsworthy.

 

This is a poll of registered voters -- a scientific poll, conducted by a polling agency.

"Registered" or "likely" voters?

According to 538 there were two CNN polls.  One of registered voters, one of likely voters- http://elections.nytimes.com/2010/forecasts/governor/ohio

^I'd certainly weigh registered voters more heavily than likely voters. All the polls showing Kasich winning by a good margin are likely voters, so I think this one is going to be pretty damn close, within five points.

 

 

Generally you give more weight to likely voters rather than registered voters.

 

Scrabble posted a Kasich for Governor ad, and it earned him the dunce cap. 

 

The same thing will happen to ANYONE who posts ads for any political candidate.

i saw this silliness on a blog today  :laugh:

 

 

Wake Me Up When the Election Is Over

 

 

[The excitement of Ohio's gubernatorial race was too much for Virgil Reynolds, who was pictured napping at a campaign rally for Democratic Governor Ted Strickland. Image via Getty]

 

http://gawker.com/5671623/wake-me-up-when-the-election-is-over

 

 

I'm not sure if it's been pointed out, but all three of Ohio's major newspapers (Plain Dealer, Enquirer, and the Dispatch) have endorsed Kasich.  On a side note, they all also endorsed Portman for Senate.

 

The Enquirer usually leans to the right a little bit with their endorsements, but I'm not sure about the other two papers. I would think they would lean left most of the time?

Tell us more about the priciples of someone who never apologized for making money by selling toxic assets to Ohians who went bankrupt. Get the hell out of here :roll:

 

Do we even know what Kasich sold as an investment banker, ever? Did he sell collateralized debt obligations of any kind (mortgage-backed securities or anything related)? I'd actually be curious. I find it kind of funny that people play up his financial expertise without getting into specifics of what his "expertise" actually is. Can anyone explain to me what exactly he did for Lehman? It should be possible to articulate that without revealing confidential client information. I can certainly give a good pitch for my own capabilities as a lawyer without divulging confidential client information. Ask yourself this: If you had a lot of money, and someone claiming to be a financial expert pitched themselves to you the way Kasich has been pitching himself to Ohio, would you enter into a relationship with him (or her)?

 

I would bet that there is not a single bankrupt consumer in the entire state that actually owns a toxic asset sold by John Kasich.

 

If I had to make a guess, I would guess that Kasich did *not* sell mortgage-backed securities, particularly not to Ohioans. What might be more accurate to say is that Lehman, along with many other Wall Street banks, created the market for them, which allowed actual predatory lenders and fly-by-night mortgage brokers in Ohio to sell their notes and therefore lend with reckless abandon, profiting more off the fees than from the income stream from the notes.

This is as close as I could find.

http://www.kasichfacts.com/

(under Lehman Scandal)

"When Lehman Brothers went bankrupt in September 2008, Ohio’s public pension funds lost hundreds of millions of dollars. Kasich claimed that he only scheduled and attended two meetings where his Lehman Brothers colleagues pitched Ohio’s public pensions on investing in Lehman. He promised he didn’t pitch any other Ohio government entity.

But in July of 2010, Congressman Kasich was caught in a lie. The Columbus Dispatch revealed that Kasich personally pitched another Ohio pension fund on Lehman Brothers.

At Lehman, Kasich also opened doors for several other Lehman employees by introducing them to Ohio government officials. One of those Lehman representatives tried to sell toxic assets to Ohio pensions just weeks before Lehman Brothers collapsed."

I'm not sure if it's been pointed out, but all three of Ohio's major newspapers (Plain Dealer, Enquirer, and the Dispatch) have endorsed Kasich. 

 

At the same time, the Toledo Blade, Akron Beacon Journal, Youngstown Vindicator, and Dayton Daily News have all endorsed Strickland.

They say this is a toss up...just heard it on the transistor radio.

I'm not sure if it's been pointed out, but all three of Ohio's major newspapers (Plain Dealer, Enquirer, and the Dispatch) have endorsed Kasich. 

 

At the same time, the Toledo Blade, Akron Beacon Journal, Youngstown Vindicator, and Dayton Daily News have all endorsed Strickland.

 

Think the divide between Ohio's first tier and second tier cities, at least when it comes to newspaper endorsements, suggests anything?

 

 

I read somewhere on the internets that Kasich is/was gay. I know he's married now, and well, whatever floats his boat I suppose. I'm just curious if there's anything to it.

I read somewhere on the internets that Kasich is/was gay. I know he's married now, and well, whatever floats his boat I suppose. I'm just curious if there's anything to it.

 

Yes, he is. They leaked footage of him on youtube doing a rendition of "Sweet Transvestite" and other audience participation at the Rocky Horror Picture Show from back in the 80s.

 

Seriously though, every politician is rumored to be gay. Strickland is too. He doesn't have any kids despite being married for so long.

Irrespective of their sexuality, Ohio's GOP needs to become allergic to FoxNews and fast. This is the second formerly interesting gubernatorial candidate who has turned idiot under the kleig lights of the Fox machine. The nostalgia for Voinovich grows daily (not so much for Taft).

Think the divide between Ohio's first tier and second tier cities, at least when it comes to newspaper endorsements, suggests anything?

The Plain Dealer is in the process of imploding.  "Pink Slips" Goldberg just ceded the editorship to flee to the West Coast for a mushy assignment.

Irrespective of their sexuality, Ohio's GOP needs to become allergic to FoxNews and fast. This is the second formerly interesting gubernatorial candidate who has turned idiot under the kleig lights of the Fox machine. The nostalgia for Voinovich grows daily (not so much for Taft).

 

They might start by ceasing to nominate former Fox News hosts for the governorship...

Here is Kasich on a story from North Carolina. His only defense is that swearing on the Bible is a 'tradition', and apparently has no meaning besides 'we've always done it this way'.

 

I also love how he can claim that the US has always been the 'land of the free' to his African-American guest, and in classic Fox style, simply raises his voice to try to make his lame point.

 

 

Irrespective of their sexuality, Ohio's GOP needs to become allergic to FoxNews and fast. This is the second formerly interesting gubernatorial candidate who has turned idiot under the kleig lights of the Fox machine. The nostalgia for Voinovich grows daily (not so much for Taft).

 

I could care less about who he slept with; but I do care when someone who is gay opposes equal rights. That deserves much greater scrutiny in my book.

Both Gov Strickland and Mr. Kasich were scheduled to speak on NPR Talk of the Nation this afternoon, and Kasich refused at the last minute. Governor Strickland is talking with voters on air.

 

I realize we'll hear some PR spin from Kasich's campaign about standing up for the freedom of press after the NPR/Juan Williams debacle, but the reality to me is that he is afraid of confrontation, he doesn't really believe in his ideas 100%, or he is simply trying to not lose the election. 

 

I don't want a politician who's afraid of debating people with opposing points of view.  I don't want a politician who only speaks to the media/press that will agree with him/her on everything.  I don't want a politician that's afraid of putting his/her foot in his/her mouth because elections are near.  I want to see a candidate's reaction/demeanor/opinion when his idea is challenged

Here is Kasich on a story from North Carolina. His only defense is that swearing on the Bible is a 'tradition', and apparently has no meaning besides 'we've always done it this way'.

 

I also love how he can claim that the US has always been the 'land of the free' to his African-American guest, and in classic Fox style, simply raises his voice to try to make his lame point.

 

 

wow, I already didn't like Kasich, now.....

no way

Yes, he is. They leaked footage of him on youtube doing a rendition of "Sweet Transvestite" and other audience participation at the Rocky Horror Picture Show from back in the 80s.

 

What?  No.  Being part of audience participation/act-along during a Rocky Horror screening does not make one gay.  Is this the source of those rumors?  Gee whiz...

 

...and yeah, I heard something about Kasich being gay but never the details.  After this started being whispered about Kasich dropped out of politics and got married (not sure of the order).  I guess he waited a decent interval before getting back in again.

 

Back in the day Kasich was seen as a young rising star of the new conservative GOP.  Hard to believe having some fun at Rocky Horror was a career killer (well, maybe for the Ohio GOP base it is...)

 

Think the divide between Ohio's first tier and second tier cities, at least when it comes to newspaper endorsements, suggests anything?

 

It IS interesting to see that...and yes I've noticed that before.  What do you think it suggests? 

 

Well....hmmmm....Toledo, Youngstown, Dayton, and Akron are all smaller industrial cities, so they might have a bit of a union leaning towards Dems

Yes, he is. They leaked footage of him on youtube doing a rendition of "Sweet Transvestite" and other audience participation at the Rocky Horror Picture Show from back in the 80s.

 

What? No. Being part of audience participation/act-along during a Rocky Horror screening does not make one gay. Is this the source of those rumors? Gee whiz...

 

I'm 99.999999% sure David was being sarcastic. :)  I verified that by doing a Google search for "Kasich Rocky Horror", which surely would have garnered hundreds of hits if it truly was a career killer for him.

Here is Kasich on a story from North Carolina. His only defense is that swearing on the Bible is a 'tradition', and apparently has no meaning besides 'we've always done it this way'.

 

I also love how he can claim that the US has always been the 'land of the free' to his African-American guest, and in classic Fox style, simply raises his voice to try to make his lame point.

 

 

wow, I already didn't like Kasich, now.....

no way

 

Wow is right.  Not only do I dislike his "policies" now, I now think he's a tool, and an idiot.  Really, he just told a black man talking about slavery that "all men are treated equal" is a great American tradition.  Well, yeah, but maybe that tradition wasn't always lived up to, Kasich.  Maybe there were a few "minor exception" that you should have recognized, bud.

Yeah, its right there in the Declaration of Independence.  We didn't invent slavery here.

Kasich rails on 'negative, smearing, lying' Democrats

By: CNN Political Producer Peter Hamby

 

Westerville, Ohio (CNN) - Ohio Republican gubernatorial nominee John Kasich kicked off a statewide bus tour with his fellow GOP candidates on Monday by unleashing an angry attack on Democrats who, he charged, have run a campaign based on fear, lies and mudslinging.

http://www.urbanohio.com/forum2/index.php?action=post;topic=19290.600;num_replies=617

"In my entire political life I have never seen the kind of negative, smearing, lying stuff that these Democrats have done and brought on the people of this state," he told a crowd of Republicans in this Columbus suburb. "Shame on them! Do they have one good positive decent idea in their brain? I don't think so."

 

more: http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2010/10/25/kasich-rails-on-negative-smearing-lying-democrats/

We didn't invent hypocrisy, either.  What's that to the point, Dan?

Yes, he is. They leaked footage of him on youtube doing a rendition of "Sweet Transvestite" and other audience participation at the Rocky Horror Picture Show from back in the 80s.

 

What? No. Being part of audience participation/act-along during a Rocky Horror screening does not make one gay. Is this the source of those rumors? Gee whiz...

 

I'm 99.999999% sure David was being sarcastic. :) I verified that by doing a Google search for "Kasich Rocky Horror", which surely would have garnered hundreds of hits if it truly was a career killer for him.

 

Ha! I didn't think anyone would take that seriously! Now I've probably created a monster on Google Trends.

Yeah, its right there in the Declaration of Independence. We didn't invent slavery here.

 

So anything goes as long as you didn't invent it?

His only defense is that swearing on the Bible is a 'tradition', and apparently has no meaning besides 'we've always done it this way'.

 

If he is so religious, swearing on a Bible is a big deal...and has deeper meaning than a tradition.  If you believe in the Bible as the word of God, and you swear on it and then lie...u surely go to hell (I think is the belief).  I would think you would want someone to swear on something they think is very holy to somehow get them to tell the truth....so why not use what they believe in.  I hate this guy.

His only defense is that swearing on the Bible is a 'tradition', and apparently has no meaning besides 'we've always done it this way'.

 

If he is so religious, swearing on a Bible is a big deal...and has deeper meaning than a tradition. If you believe in the Bible as the word of God, and you swear on it and then lie...u surely go to hell (I think is the belief). I would think you would want someone to swear on something they think is very holy to somehow get them to tell the truth....so why not use what they believe in. I hate this guy.

 

Kasich has repeatedly shown that logic is not one of his strong suits.

Both Gov Strickland and Mr. Kasich were scheduled to speak on NPR Talk of the Nation this afternoon, and Kasich refused at the last minute. Governor Strickland is talking with voters on air.

 

I realize we'll hear some PR spin from Kasich's campaign about standing up for the freedom of press after the NPR/Juan Williams debacle, but the reality to me is that he is afraid of confrontation, he doesn't really believe in his ideas 100%, or he is simply trying to not lose the election. 

 

I don't want a politician who's afraid of debating people with opposing points of view.  I don't want a politician who only speaks to the media/press that will agree with him/her on everything.  I don't want a politician that's afraid of putting his/her foot in his/her mouth because elections are near.  I want to see a candidate's reaction/demeanor/opinion when his idea is challenged

 

Actually, Neal Conan said on the show that Kasich turned down the debate when he heard that there would be callers asking questions of the candidates on-air.  It wasn't that he didn't want to debate Strickland.  He just didn't want to answer to the people.

 

This aloof attitude has been my biggest turn-off about Kasich during the whole election.  I would've been willing to consider voting for him (before his anti-3C stance came out.)  But then, when a PD reporter asked him (in January?) for specific details about what programs he would cut to make up for the budget deficit we'd incur by eliminating the income tax, his response was "I don't have to answer to you."

 

That was pretty much when he lost my vote.  I don't care who it is, that reporter is a voter.  You're supposed to be earning my vote, and telling me you don't have to answer to me is not the way to do it.

I can't believe Kasich degraded and devalued the bible by saying that when he is a Christian himself. I wouldn't have said that, out of respect, and I'm agnostic! The Black Panther said that in Iran, a Christian has the right to use a Holy Bible instead of Qur'an; that makes more sense to me since people are more likely to tell the truth if the book corresponds to their faith. A more constructive argument is probably whether or not courts should exploit a person's 'superstition' in order to bring forth justice. With our "Separation of Church and State" mandates it seems a lot more relevant.

Both Gov Strickland and Mr. Kasich were scheduled to speak on NPR Talk of the Nation this afternoon, and Kasich refused at the last minute. Governor Strickland is talking with voters on air.

 

I realize we'll hear some PR spin from Kasich's campaign about standing up for the freedom of press after the NPR/Juan Williams debacle, but the reality to me is that he is afraid of confrontation, he doesn't really believe in his ideas 100%, or he is simply trying to not lose the election.

 

I don't want a politician who's afraid of debating people with opposing points of view. I don't want a politician who only speaks to the media/press that will agree with him/her on everything. I don't want a politician that's afraid of putting his/her foot in his/her mouth because elections are near. I want to see a candidate's reaction/demeanor/opinion when his idea is challenged

 

Actually, Neal Conan said on the show that Kasich turned down the debate when he heard that there would be callers asking questions of the candidates on-air. It wasn't that he didn't want to debate Strickland. He just didn't want to answer to the people.

 

This aloof attitude has been my biggest turn-off about Kasich during the whole election. I would've been willing to consider voting for him (before his anti-3C stance came out.) But then, when a PD reporter asked him (in January?) for specific details about what programs he would cut to make up for the budget deficit we'd incur by eliminating the income tax, his response was "I don't have to answer to you."

 

That was pretty much when he lost my vote. I don't care who it is, that reporter is a voter. You're supposed to be earning my vote, and telling me you don't have to answer to me is not the way to do it.

 

You said it a lot better than I did...I had no idea he turned it down because "callers would be asking questions on air".  That's sad

NPR leans farther to the left than anything else on the radio, so I can see why Kasich wouldn't want to take calls from their listeners, especially when NPR blindsides him like that.  He also has a pretty comfortable lead right now, so there's no point in taking the risk.  It's politics 101, really.

^ Blindsided?  He should have known it was a call-in show before he agreed to appear.  That's common sense 101.

Yeah, its right there in the Declaration of Independence. We didn't invent slavery here.

 

Well..... you seem to forget that, back then, there were men and then there were 3/5 men.  1 > 3/5.  Not equal.  Slightly more than half, though.  I'll give you that ;)     

His only defense is that swearing on the Bible is a 'tradition', and apparently has no meaning besides 'we've always done it this way'.

 

If he is so religious, swearing on a Bible is a big deal...and has deeper meaning than a tradition.  If you believe in the Bible as the word of God, and you swear on it and then lie...u surely go to hell (I think is the belief).  I would think you would want someone to swear on something they think is very holy to somehow get them to tell the truth....so why not use what they believe in.  I hate this guy.

 

Exactly, but then that would contradict the Fox News meme that America was and always will be a "Christian nation". That's why he has to rely on a weak claim to tradition alone.

It seems silly that someone making the decisions in the Kasich camp wouldn't know that Talk of the Nation is a call in show.  Plenty of Republicans have come on the show and answered questions no problem.

If I had to make a guess, I would guess that Kasich did *not* sell mortgage-backed securities, particularly not to Ohioans.  What might be more accurate to say is that Lehman, along with many other Wall Street banks, created the market for them, which allowed actual predatory lenders and fly-by-night mortgage brokers in Ohio to sell their notes and therefore lend with reckless abandon, profiting more off the fees than from the income stream from the notes.

 

I agree with your point about Kasich- I haven't seen anything particularly damning about his time or business at Lehman nor do I consider it any kind of plus.

 

But you're a little too quick to absolve Lehman.  The banks were the sponsors and chief marketers of the private label (almost all subrime) MBS and CDO deals.  They created and sold the products, they were not mere intermediaries.  They had a completely symbiotic relationship with the subprime originators.  If you think the financial industry bears any responsibility, banks like Lehman are central to it.  But again, I've seen nothing tying Kasich to this or any other part of Lehman's worst business.

 

I didn't really want to respond to this because I already did a rant on it; it's old news and it's kind of like beating a dead horse but I'm in the mood after watching that youtube video.

 

Basically, what it comes down to is everyone's opinion on Kasich's intentions. I don't know if there's solid proof of Kasich directly AND knowingly selling toxic mortgage-backed securities. Personally, I believe he played a major role in pitching them and had to have known those assets were extremely risky - definitely too risky for pension funds which are intended to contain conservative investments. He was, in fact, the bridge between his colleagues and several Ohio Pension Funds who bought Lehman's products which included toxic mortgage-backed securities. He 'introduced' the parties.

 

Between the Ohio Pension Funds who used Lehman, they lost a combined $200-400 Million. This was all exposed via public records and e-mail requests.

 

I got to attend the Press Conference at the time when they announced it; they had the records stapled to the back of the press release, but I no longer have it or I would scan them as it's public information. There is proof of it but people usually can't be bothered with boring documents when something has already been verified. I would try looking at Strickland's site, where they post the press releases, to see if they attached anything there.

 

A staff member for an Ohio Pension Fund (I can't remember which one, off hand) spoke out and said Kasich called him personally to pitch brokerage services but luckily they didn't buy into it. Kasich's camp finally responded  to that, basically saying they had forgotten about it. I can believe Kasich forgot about it since it happened a while back, but I think he may have forgotten about a lot of other things as well.

 

It seems silly that someone making the decisions in the Kasich camp wouldn't know that Talk of the Nation is a call in show.  Plenty of Republicans have come on the show and answered questions no problem.

 

Precisely!

 

He surrounds himself with lame-brains and people with ulterior motives. I have a hard time buying Kasich's Alter-boy status at Lehman Bros. I'm surprised that people so easily overlook the lame-brains and folks with ulterior motives who he consistently chooses to associate with. In my opinion, it speaks volumes about the kinds of people he would have the power to employ and if his staffers are any indication, they will probably be over-compensated for doing very little.

NPR leans farther to the left than anything else on the radio, so I can see why Kasich wouldn't want to take calls from their listeners, especially when NPR blindsides him like that.  He also has a pretty comfortable lead right now, so there's no point in taking the risk.  It's politics 101, really.

 

Talk of the Nation is a call in show.  This is like claiming that a wall "blindsides" you when you walk directly into it.  Watch where you are going, and the wall won't blindside you!

 

But I suppose this is more "gotcha journalism" to the folks that don't expect their candidates to be able to answer a basic question about what media sources they read, or to be able to name a recent Supreme Court decision they disagree with.

Ha! I didn't think anyone would take that seriously!

 

Irony impairment is a terrible thing.

 

 

But I suppose this is more "gotcha journalism" to the folks that don't expect their candidates to be able to answer a basic question about what media sources they read, or to be able to name a recent Supreme Court decision they disagree with.

 

As someone said this is politics 101, that he doesnt have to do this since its not going to hurt him, when a bad answer might hurt him.

 

I sort of get the feeling tha Kaisich is "playing to the crowd" with his christian stuff, and that he is probably not that religous in real life.  In first part of his career he wasn't indentified with the Moral Majority/Cultural Conservative tendancy in the GOP, from what I recall. 

 

 

But I suppose this is more "gotcha journalism" to the folks that don't expect their candidates to be able to answer a basic question about what media sources they read, or to be able to name a recent Supreme Court decision they disagree with.

 

As someone said this is politics 101, that he doesnt have to do this since its not going to hurt him, when a bad answer might hurt him.

 

But you'd think his staff would have the brains to turn down the interview on a national call-in show when asked, rather than jump ship ten minutes before airtime because its...a national call-in show. 

I'm not defending Kasich, but I'm really tired of hearing how Lehman brothers defrauded the pension funds.  The people in charge of those funds are who lost the money, not Lehman brothers.  Let's keep that in perspective.  There are folks whose sole responsibility is to invest that money safely and wisely and they failed to do so.  Where are they at today?  Probably still working in the same job despite losing hundreds of millions...

Snubbing NPR at this moment, just after the Juan Williams firing, is a great play to Kasich's fan club.