It seems silly that someone making the decisions in the Kasich camp wouldn't know that Talk of the Nation is a call in show. Plenty of Republicans have come on the show and answered questions no problem.

 

If Obama can appear on Fox News and answer the 'tough' questions, then Kasich should be able to handle NPR

I'm not defending Kasich, but I'm really tired of hearing how Lehman brothers defrauded the pension funds.  The people in charge of those funds are who lost the money, not Lehman brothers.  Let's keep that in perspective.  There are folks whose sole responsibility is to invest that money safely and wisely and they failed to do so.  Where are they at today?  Probably still working in the same job despite losing hundreds of millions...

 

Were the folks in charge of the fund, hired by Lehman to negotiate on their (LB) behalf?  Yes or No?

^Pretty sure gottaplan is referring to the management of (and employees of) OPERS and its board: https://www.opers.org/about/board/index.shtml.  They definitely bear responsibility, but I don't think that lets Lehman off the hook.  It doesn't have to be one or the other.

 

Basically, what it comes down to is everyone's opinion on Kasich's intentions. I don't know if there's solid proof of Kasich directly AND knowingly selling toxic mortgage-backed securities. Personally, I believe he played a major role in pitching them and had to have known those assets were extremely risky - definitely too risky for pension funds which are intended to contain conservative investments. He was, in fact, the bridge between his colleagues and several Ohio Pension Funds who bought Lehman's products which included toxic mortgage-backed securities. He 'introduced' the parties.

 

Between the Ohio Pension Funds who used Lehman, they lost a combined $200-400 Million. This was all exposed via public records and e-mail requests.

 

I agree with you to some extent.  I doubt Kasich really knew all that much about the crap his firm was marketing to investors.  And given the very real AAA rating some of it had, I don't really expect him to have known much more.  They guy was a mover/shaker, not a quant.  But you point out his real sin, IMHO, which does increasingly burn me up: being part of the corrupt revolving door between government and industry.  Retired politicians have to make a living, but pedaling your political connections into access to public investment officials for your financial firm is pretty lame.  Certainly shameless. 

 

I'm also wondering how much of the credit he's given himself for balancing the U.S. budget in the 1990s is overblown.  Wish I had the time to investigate it further.  I did read some old new coverage, and I saw that he added tens of billions to the pentagon budget that Clinton had proposed leaving out.

 

 

He was a key figure in the budget balancing under the Clinton Administration.  There is no denying that.  How much that role, as a member of a legislative subcommittee, should be weighted towards his capability of being an executive is something worth considering, though.  There is a LOT more to governing than balancing a budget.  And it also scares me that he will have much, much more influence on how exactly it is done and won't share with us any specifics to his plan.

He was a total wonk on that committee which is why I was excited by his candidacy originally, but unfortunately a Fox news anchor showed up.

These lies about Kasich being gay are ridiculous. They've come up in this forum before. As have false rumors about John Boehner having an affair (and someone even insinuated he was gay too).  It's not surprising that Democrats are throwing mud since they have nothing good to stand on.  The gay epithet has never really worked for them so I wonder why they keep hurling at Republicans.

 

I believe it was first used against Kasich a long time ago when he was in a long-term relationship with his girlfriend (now wife) during a political campaign. He was living in DC at the time and lived with his campaign manager. Not exactly prima facie evidence. Nevertheless the slur failed and he married his girlfriend and currently has two kids.

 

 

He was a key figure in the budget balancing under the Clinton Administration.  There is no denying that.  How much that role, as a member of a legislative subcommittee, should be weighted towards his capability of being an executive is something worth considering, though.

He was the Chairman of the House Budget Committee.  That's a big deal, especially when you balance the budget the way he did it without draconian cuts or draconian tax hikes.

 

There is a LOT more to governing than balancing a budget.

Actually, there isn't that much more to it if you can balance it the right way and Kasich is the only candidate in the race who has successfully balanced a budget the right way.

 

And it also scares me that he will have much, much more influence on how exactly it is done and won't share with us any specifics to his plan.

Yes, he is very spooky and shadowy! Be brave, sensei. I may dress as Kasich for Halloween since he is so scary.... ::eye roll::

He was a key figure in the budget balancing under the Clinton Administration.  There is no denying that.  How much that role, as a member of a legislative subcommittee, should be weighted towards his capability of being an executive is something worth considering, though.  There is a LOT more to governing than balancing a budget.  And it also scares me that he will have much, much more influence on how exactly it is done and won't share with us any specifics to his plan.

 

He also fought the Clinton tax increase vehemently, and my guess is that a balanced budget would have been unlikely without it.  So maybe the balanced budget is the wrong metric, because it depends so heavily on the revenue side.  A better metric for Kasich would have been aggregate spending levels; I haven't really seen how much he was able to suppress them. Certainly with regards to the pentagon, he was about increasing spending, even if he did resist further bloating by colleagues.

This thread just goes in circles. It's starting to get obnoxious.

These lies about Kasich being gay are ridiculous. They've come up in this forum before. As have false rumors about John Boehner having an affair (and someone even insinuated he was gay too).  It's not surprising that Democrats are throwing mud since they have nothing good to stand on.  The gay epithet has never really worked for them so I wonder why they keep hurling at Republicans.

 

Why, Scrabble, I thought you were "tolerant"?  We are just discussing this, not taking it too serioulsy.  It's only an 'epithet' to your side. 

 

 

 

These lies about Kasich being gay are ridiculous. They've come up in this forum before. As have false rumors about John Boehner having an affair (and someone even insinuated he was gay too).  It's not surprising that Democrats are throwing mud since they have nothing good to stand on.  The gay epithet has never really worked for them so I wonder why they keep hurling at Republicans.

 

I believe it was first used against Kasich a long time ago when he was in a long-term relationship with his girlfriend (now wife) during a political campaign. He was living in DC at the time and lived with his campaign manager. Not exactly prima facie evidence. Nevertheless the slur failed and he married his girlfriend and currently has two kids.

 

It wasn't meant as an 'epithet'; I'm gay and could care less what he does with his private life so long as he gives all people the same liberties he exercises himself. And even if he 'was' gay and is now happily married with kids, that's fine. I just have a hard time making sense of anyone who might ever have been gay opposing equal rights.

 

But maybe I shouldn't have lower standards on this topic just because someone is straight. Hm.

Who is attacking Kasich by claiming he is gay? I saw an article from 1996, but how is it relevant now? Scrabble's overreaction is so insane, I might wear it for Halloween.

All I know is that I'm no longer able to vote for Democrats or Republicans unless they really deserve it. I'm going 3rd party all the way even if they leave something to be desired, which is how I always feel about most Democrats I voted for anyway.

Who is attacking Kasich by claiming he is gay? I saw an article from 1996, but how is it relevant now? Scrabble's overreaction is so insane, I might wear it for Halloween.

 

That whole ball of wax stemmed from him living with his Chief-of-Staff, who was also on his payroll at the time. That's why he was scrutinized. It was totally inappropriate whether they're gay or not. He continues to get this guy high paying positions through his business connections.

 

COLUMBUS — After Republican John Kasich left Congress, three of his top aides were paid $1.73 million by conservative, tax-exempt entities set up by Kasich and financed largely by his business supporters.

When Kasich returned to politics, the three men joined his campaign for governor.

Between 2000 and 2007 the three entities — New Century Project PAC, New Century Project 527, and New Century Project Issues Forum — paid Don Thibaut $656,603, Ben Kanzeg $525,822, and Tod Bowen $553,603, according to campaign finance reports and IRS documents.

 

http://www.daytondailynews.com/news/dayton-news/kasich-kept-key-aides-at-the-ready-with-high-paid-positions-at-groups-911129.html

 

They didn't mention Don Thibaut also got $20,000 by OSU to be Kasich's assistant - (for what, showing up to give speeches when most people do it for free?) In fact, Don Thibaut seems to get more money funneled to him than anyone else associated with Kasich.

 

Don Thibaut also happened to be his Roommate/Chief-of-Staff.

 

I'll bet any one of you a dollar that Don Thibaut will be on the proposed private board of the Dept. of Development assuming (God help us!) Kasich is elected.

Who is attacking Kasich by claiming he is gay? I saw an article from 1996, but how is it relevant now? Scrabble's overreaction is so insane, I might wear it for Halloween.

 

That whole ball of wax stemmed from him living with his Chief-of-Staff, who was also on his payroll at the time. That's why he was scrutinized. It was totally inappropriate whether they're gay or not. He continues to get this guy high paying positions through his business connections.

David, let it go. You're the guy who supposedly has the dirt on Boehner's affairs (gay?) that have yet to materialize. Keep the sleeze in the gutter.

 

All I know is that I'm no longer able to vote for Democrats or Republicans unless they really deserve it. I'm going 3rd party all the way even if they leave something to be desired, which is how I always feel about most Democrats I voted for anyway.

Amen! Welcome to the real party!

All I know is that I'm no longer able to vote for Democrats or Republicans unless they really deserve it. I'm going 3rd party all the way even if they leave something to be desired, which is how I always feel about most Democrats I voted for anyway.

Libertarians did a good job getting people in the races this year.

Who is attacking Kasich by claiming he is gay? I saw an article from 1996, but how is it relevant now? Scrabble's overreaction is so insane, I might wear it for Halloween.

 

That whole ball of wax stemmed from him living with his Chief-of-Staff, who was also on his payroll at the time. That's why he was scrutinized. It was totally inappropriate whether they're gay or not. He continues to get this guy high paying positions through his business connections.

Keep the sleeze in the gutter.

 

 

Yeah but we're not talking about John Kasich knowing what happened to Chandra Levy.

^ He does? For real? Call the Enquirer/Dispatch/Plain Dealer!!!

 

:)

I was reading some reader comments the other day in an Ohio newspaper and a few people cited their opposition to the 3C train as a reason to vote against Strickland. Another person wrote something in about the "radical NRA" as a reason to support Democrats...even though they endorsed Strickland over Kasich because Kasich has pro-gun control record. It is silly season.

Gun control doesn't seem to be much of an issue in this election since it turned out that Obama has showed no signs of "coming for people's guns" and Bush's lead ban that could have outlawed lead ammo and even kid-size dirt bikes has failed to go into effect so far.

Who is attacking Kasich by claiming he is gay? I saw an article from 1996, but how is it relevant now? Scrabble's overreaction is so insane, I might wear it for Halloween.

 

That whole ball of wax stemmed from him living with his Chief-of-Staff, who was also on his payroll at the time. That's why he was scrutinized. It was totally inappropriate whether they're gay or not. He continues to get this guy high paying positions through his business connections.

Keep the sleeze in the gutter.

 

 

Yeah but we're not talking about John Kasich knowing what happened to Chandra Levy.

 

Haha, what?! Her murderer just got arrested last week. It wasn't Kasich or Boehner or whoever you're trying to claim knows what happened.

^ You might want to read what he said, and look at the context once again, if you don't believe that Kasich knows what happened to her.

Gun control doesn't seem to be much of an issue in this election since it turned out that Obama has showed no signs of "coming for people's guns" and Bush's lead ban that could have outlawed lead ammo and even kid-size dirt bikes has failed to go into effect so far.

I doubt that any Governor could accomplish gun control in Ohio with the kind of legislature that we have (gerrymandered, rural-dominant, and bought).

^ You might want to read what he said, and look at the context once again, if you don't believe that Kasich knows what happened to her.

 

I see, but that would not have even been close to the craziest thing I've seen him claim on here.

^ You might want to read what he said, and look at the context once again, if you don't believe that Kasich knows what happened to her.

 

I see, but that would not have even been close to the craziest thing I've seen him claim on here.

 

I didn't say that; someone much more prominant than me, did. I'm wondering if that's obstruction of justice.

 

If you want to believe Chandra was simply randomly killed by a brown illegal immigrant in some park with no motive at the same time Gary Condit's close friend Kasich dropped out of politics as the scandal broke, then that's your choice. It's awfully suspect to me. As is Vince Foster. Hah! Why are they always found dead in a public park?

Gun control doesn't seem to be much of an issue in this election since it turned out that Obama has showed no signs of "coming for people's guns" and Bush's lead ban that could have outlawed lead ammo and even kid-size dirt bikes has failed to go into effect so far.

I doubt that any Governor could accomplish gun control in Ohio with the kind of legislature that we have (gerrymandered, rural-dominant, and bought).

 

Stop making such a positive case for gerrymandered, rural-dominated legislative districts.

^ You might want to read what he said, and look at the context once again, if you don't believe that Kasich knows what happened to her.

 

I see, but that would not have even been close to the craziest thing I've seen him claim on here.

 

I didn't say that; someone much more prominant than me, did. I'm wondering if that's obstruction of justice.

 

If you want to believe Chandra was simply randomly killed by a brown illegal immigrant in some park with no motive at the same time Gary Condit's close friend Kasich dropped out of politics as the scandal broke, then that's your choice. It's awfully suspect to me. As is Vince Foster. Hah! Why are they always found dead in a public park?

 

OK, David, are you a conspiracy theorist? First you claim Boehner is having an affair (potentially gay), then you say bring up the Kasich is gay slur, and now you're saying Kasich had something to do with/knows about Chandra Levy's disappearance/death.

 

Seriously. Get some sources before you start slandering people. Libel is illegal, you know.

^ You might want to read what he said, and look at the context once again, if you don't believe that Kasich knows what happened to her.

 

I see, but that would not have even been close to the craziest thing I've seen him claim on here.

 

My apologies, I admit I thought he wasn't serious.

^ You might want to read what he said, and look at the context once again, if you don't believe that Kasich knows what happened to her.

 

I see, but that would not have even been close to the craziest thing I've seen him claim on here.

 

I didn't say that; someone much more prominant than me, did. I'm wondering if that's obstruction of justice.

 

If you want to believe Chandra was simply randomly killed by a brown illegal immigrant in some park with no motive at the same time Gary Condit's close friend Kasich dropped out of politics as the scandal broke, then that's your choice. It's awfully suspect to me. As is Vince Foster. Hah! Why are they always found dead in a public park?

 

OK, David, are you a conspiracy theorist? First you claim Boehner is having an affair (potentially gay), then you say bring up the Kasich is gay slur, and now you're saying Kasich had something to do with/knows about Chandra Levy's disappearance/death.

 

Seriously. Get some sources before you start slandering people. Libel is illegal, you know.

 

I never said Boehner had a gay affair. Stop putting words in my mouth. I never said Kasich was either. The Boehner incident I know of is unrelated to Lizbeth Lyons. I wasn't even aware of that.

 

It's almost impossible to get sued for slandering, libel, or otherwise - defamation when it comes to public figures. They have easy access to the media and are able to defend accusations. It's not defamation if you have sources, witnesses and other evidence proving it true. You'd have to hack into my diskimage to get that info though. :evil: You have no idea what happens behind closed doors that prevents information from coming out. Crisis management, lawyers, the list goes on.

 

No, I don't consider myself a conspiracy theorist. Most of them are non-sense. I do believe in coverups here and there but that's about the extend of it. Also, I do believe masonic symbolism exists in the layout of d.c. but that shouldn't be surprising since the guy who laid out the city, along with the founding fathers, were known free-mason. I don't consider that a big deal at all though. It's a beautiful design to me, so I'm not complaining.

 

The bottom line is Kasich and Boehner are douchebags. Jeez, I thought you all could lay off of me today since it's my birthday. Sheesh.

I'm not sure if it's been pointed out, but all three of Ohio's major newspapers (Plain Dealer, Enquirer, and the Dispatch) have endorsed Kasich.  On a side note, they all also endorsed Portman for Senate.

 

The Enquirer usually leans to the right a little bit with their endorsements, but I'm not sure about the other two papers. I would think they would lean left most of the time?

 

The Columbus Dispatch has always been a right wing newspaper. They usually endorse Republicans and endorsed George Bush twice. The Plain Dealer less so, but their "endorsement" of Kasich was a bit schizoid, if you read it.

The Dispatch claimed that it was moving toward the center around the time Obama won. Looks like that's over.

Lebanon rally a GOP vortex

BY HOWARD WILKINSON • [email protected] • OCTOBER 29, 2010

 

LEBANON - GOP gubernatorial candidate John Kasich came here Friday to rally Warren County Republicans, whose help he will need if he is to break the apparent deadlock in the Ohio governor's race and defeat Democratic incumbent Ted Strickland on Tuesday.

 

And he brought some friends with him - three Republican governors, all of them potential presidential contenders in 2012, whose ranks he hopes to join soon.

...

"You have to get people out,'' Christie said. "You have to get the job done....don't make me come back here. If I come back here, I'll be coming Jersey-style."

 

more: http://news.cincinnati.com/article/20101029/NEWS0108/10300324/Lebanon-rally-a-GOP-vortex

Libel is illegal, you know.

 

Hey!  Don't tread on David's free speech rights!  We don't want anybody around here resorting to their "second amendment remedies"!  Regardless, 'illegal' is not the right term.  Libel is 'actionable' in a civil forum if certain conditions are met, conditions which are considerably more difficult to satisfy if you are a public figure like Kasich or Boehner.  Don't worry David, despite Scrabble's likely dropping of the dime, the cops aren't going to come for you anytime soon (at least not for what you wrote in this thread ;)) 

 

 

That's the beauty of public figures! Besides, I have that information on tape so I'm not worried about being sued. I'm about to tell you something else about Boehner you might think is funny; check your PM, Hts.

^ You might want to read what he said, and look at the context once again, if you don't believe that Kasich knows what happened to her.

 

I see, but that would not have even been close to the craziest thing I've seen him claim on here.

 

I didn't say that; someone much more prominant than me, did. I'm wondering if that's obstruction of justice.

 

If you want to believe Chandra was simply randomly killed by a brown illegal immigrant in some park with no motive at the same time Gary Condit's close friend Kasich dropped out of politics as the scandal broke, then that's your choice. It's awfully suspect to me. As is Vince Foster. Hah! Why are they always found dead in a public park?

 

OK, David, are you a conspiracy theorist? First you claim Boehner is having an affair (potentially gay), then you say bring up the Kasich is gay slur, and now you're saying Kasich had something to do with/knows about Chandra Levy's disappearance/death.

 

 

I never said Boehner had a gay affair. Stop putting words in my mouth. I never said Kasich was either. The Boehner incident I know of is unrelated to Lizbeth Lyons. I wasn't even aware of that.

 

It's almost impossible to get sued for slandering, libel, or otherwise - defamation when it comes to public figures. They have easy access to the media and are able to defend accusations. It's not defamation if you have sources, witnesses and other evidence proving it true. You'd have to hack into my diskimage to get that info though. :evil: You have no idea what happens behind closed doors that prevents information from coming out. Crisis management, lawyers, the list goes on.

 

No, I don't consider myself a conspiracy theorist. Most of them are non-sense. I do believe in coverups here and there but that's about the extend of it. Also, I do believe masonic symbolism exists in the layout of d.c. but that shouldn't be surprising since the guy who laid out the city, along with the founding fathers, were known free-mason. I don't consider that a big deal at all though. It's a beautiful design to me, so I'm not complaining.

 

The bottom line is Kasich and Boehner are douchebags. Jeez, I thought you all could lay off of me today since it's my birthday. Sheesh.

 

Happy birthday and good luck bringing the truth to light. I support that all the way.

 

So you have something on tape that proves Kasich was involved with the death of Chandra Levy?

The latest from polling analysis sensation Nate Silver -

 

http://fivethirtyeight.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/10/31/strickland-foley-hoping-voters-will-split-tickets/

 

Strickland's odds of winning are at 25% and rising according to his model.

Remember folks, a vote for John Kasich is a vote against Jesus!

Watching the election results roll in the last hour, Kasich was down 40,000 votes, then narrowed it quickly and is now leading

 

http://vote.sos.state.oh.us/pls/enrpublic/f?p=130:6:0

 

probably all the folks that voted late after work voted for Kasich

Wow! what's the criteria for a recount in Ohio? This is going to be down to the wire..

Scrabble... I know this is just circumstantial but... they played "YMCA" at Kasich's Grand Ol' Party at The Renaissance tonight in Columbus. You have to admit that that's funny.

Strickland is giving Kasich a run for his money in Hamilton so far.  Could be a good sign.

Remember folks, a vote for John Kasich is a vote against Jesus!

 

Couldn't agree more. But, the GOP has a lot of rural lower income people duped into thinking they (GOP) represent their best economic/moral ethics values, when the opposite is really true. All they have to do is banter the same old rhetoric headliners with the echos of "baseball, hot dogs, apple pie, Chevrolet and the Bible" and they got 'em hooked!

I think Strickland is going to pull ahead once all of the metro areas are done reporting. I think what we are seeing now is most of the smaller counties in  at 100% and in the the west  they broke heavily for Kasich, but Cuyahoga County and Franklin are only at 25-30% reporting and Strickland has 20,000 to 30,000 vote lead already in those counties. And if Hamilton is a wash...

 

But I have been  wrong before..Stupid John Kerry in 2004....

Strickland is giving Kasich a run for his money in Hamilton so far. Could be a good sign.

That is a great sign!

Only about Half of Cuyahoga County and None of Lucas counted.  Factor those in and this race is gonna be EXTREMELY close...

what part of cuyahoga county has already reported?

what part of cuyahoga county has already reported?

 

Not sure but a TON of votes still left in Montgomery, Lucas and Cuyahoga(I've heard as high as 350,000 but cannot confirm that).  Also some in Franklin as well

I kinda like how Governor Kaisch sounds

The Democrats are losing the auditor and SOS race.  Redistricting will be controlled by the GOP after we lose two seats after the census.  Watch the GOP try to gerrymander all of the Democrats into three districts in Cleveland, Akron, and Toledo, so that they can still hold 10 seats after redistricting.

I kinda like how Governor Kaisch sounds

 

I think he pronounces and spells it Kasich. But you never know, since the guy is such an idiot he may not know how to spell or pronounce his own name.

 

The voting gap is widening -- not closing. Time to call U-Haul. Some scary times we live in.

what part of cuyahoga county has already reported?

 

Not sure but a TON of votes still left in Montgomery, Lucas and Cuyahoga(I've heard as high as 350,000 but cannot confirm that). Also some in Franklin as well

 

Right now, Strickland is down 110,000.  Montgomery and Franklin are almost all in.  Montgomery pretty much split its vote.  There's another 100,000 in Cuyahoga, which will help Strickland close the gap by maybe 30,000-40,000.  He could close it by another 10,000 in Summit and 10,000 in Mahoning.  Hamilton is in and went for Kasich, but just barely.  Stark looks like it is going to split.  So it comes down to Lucas and I don't think he will win by a big enough margin in that county to close the remaining 50,000-60,000 he will need to win.