I am neither Republican nor Democrat and Palin would be a disaster at the national level.  This election is a counter-revolution to the Pelosi/Reid uber left power grab to push through unpopular legislation durring a "historic moment" when the Democrats controled the House, Senate and Executive branch.  They violated the public trust the first chance they got and the public will not forget it and will not give the Democrats that kind of power for a long time to come.  Unfortunatley, it also opens up the door for a Palin, or someone even worse.

 

In the end, this isn't good for anybody and we have the Democrats to blame for it. 

It'd be like the risky game the Oracle played with Mr. Smith in the Matrix.  Infect the system with such bitter partisanship and irrationality that "the spirit" behind the Rally to Restore Sanity might just go mainstream.

... He also said he will stick by his campaign promise to stop the 3C passenger rail project from Cleveland to Cincinnati.

“That train is dead,” Kasich said. “We’re not going to have it.”

http://www.bizjournals.com/columbus/news/2010/11/03/kasich-names-staff-members.html

I hated the Republicans during the Reagan era because of their antienvironmentalist "sagebrush rebellion" message.  I hated my Republican coworkers who offered their unsolicited scathing, nasty opinions about President Clinton.  Tonight, I am hating Republicans for gutless demagoguery.  This would be problematic if I was a Christian.

I know Kasich won HamCo, but considering the current climate and the relatively slim margin, it's yet another sign HamCo is shifting. It's not reliably red anymore.

 

Thank Jebus. Let's keep up the transition!

This isn't necessarily governors race specific, but I'd imagine the political power of the Democrats in Northern Ohio is going to get crushed in the next redrawing of districts. If we lose two seats as expected, I'd expect both from northern Ohio, while number of seats coming out of central and southwestern Ohio will continue to grow in relation to the numbers in the NE. This will be even more true of the state house and senate.

I don't think it is mathematically possible to cram all of Ohio's Democrats into three or four districts.  I am sure that they will put Dennis in the same district as Fudge or Sutton to make them run against each other in the primary.

Kasich has already vaulted us to the top 10!

 

Site Selection: Ohio No. 6 in business climate

 

http://www.bizjournals.com/columbus/blog/2010/11/site-selection-ohio-no-6-in-business.html

Probably the biggest issue holding back Ohio from becoming a business mecca are things outside of its control.

 

Right.  The invention of air conditioning being the biggest one.

Probably the biggest issue holding back Ohio from becoming a business mecca are things outside of its control.

 

Right. The invention of air conditioning being the biggest one.

Right, because all great "business mecca's" are in warm climates.?.?  Who needs New York, Chicago, Boston, Seattle, Minneapolis...and those cold climates, when you have economic hotbeds like Phoenix, Las Vegas, Orlando and their A/C.

 

We can make excuses all we want, but if Chicago, Minneapolis & Boston among others can thrive economically with their weather, so can Ohio.

Agreed.  In Europe, the colder the weather, the better the economy.

^Tell that to business American executives who make the decisions on where HQs/offices are located:

 

(from the above article)

 

The part of the ranking that Ohio doesn’t do nearly as well on is based in part on surveys of corporate site-selection executives .

 

The executives like a highly skilled work force, beneficial state and local tax schemes and top-tier transportation infrastructure. They also like warm weather. Call it the snowball effect.

 

Fact is that cold-weather cities can certainly thrive, but it is also certainly not an assett you use to sell the region.  And the weather here in Cleveland, at least, goes beyond the cold.  Call it the price of living on the North Coast, I guess.

 

The south used to be considered inhabitable for many prior to A/C.  Having been dumb enough to rent a house in NC without central air, I can understand why.  Now, the south is hardly considered the muggy, swampland it was back in the day and the weather is definitely considered an assett to most, though surely not all.

 

So... I don't think our weather has a crippling effect on our economy, but I stand by my statement which was solely in response to what JOhio said.

 

Ahem, Mr. Kasich..... top-tier transportation infrastructure

I don't think I would include Minneapolis in the "rust belt"..... it doesn't have some of the same challenges that Cleveland, Buffalo, Detroit, etc. have to overcome.  Pittsburgh is more a model city for the rust belt.... although I firmly believe that a good chunk of its recent success is somewhat gilded.

New York is New York, 'nough said. Boston is on an ocean, is close to NY, and has a couple of elite universities. Chicago has been a well establilshed economic power for over 100 years and has 2 elite universities. Seattle has access to the ocean, has unique geography around it, and was the birthplace of Microsoft.

 

Minneapolis is definitely a city the rust belt and midwest should be emulating.

Climate doesn't cripple us (and shouldn't be an excuse) but in an all else equal, head-to-head contest, it doesn't help.

 

Based on what?  Show me a case study?  Anything!  Something!  Hell, it's the Boston/Seattle of the midwest.

^Tell that to business American executives who make the decisions on where HQs/offices are located:

(from the above article)

The part of the ranking that Ohio doesn’t do nearly as well on is based in part on surveys of corporate site-selection executives .

 

The executives like a highly skilled work force, beneficial state and local tax schemes and top-tier transportation infrastructure. They also like warm weather. Call it the snowball effect.

The old fart CEOs know it helps their rheumy joints.

 

 

Kasich has already vaulted us to the top 10!

 

Site Selection: Ohio No. 6 in business climate

ROFL

 

One poster at UO theorized that the South was like a newly discovered colony with cheap undeveloped land and cheap labor.  Growth was to be expected!

 

If states had to pay for the resources they use, Los Angeles, Florida, and Georgia would fail on account of having no more fresh water resources to exploit.

 

 

Minneapolis is definitely a city the rust belt and midwest should be emulating.

 

Based on what? Show me a case study? Anything! Something! Hell, it's the Boston/Seattle of the midwest.

 

Three words:

 

Mall Of America

New York is New York, 'nough said. Boston is on an ocean, is close to NY, and has a couple of elite universities. Chicago has been a well establilshed economic power for over 100 years and has 2 elite universities. Seattle has access to the ocean, has unique geography around it, and was the birthplace of Microsoft.

 

Minneapolis is definitely a city the rust belt and midwest should be emulating.

 

Climate doesn't cripple us (and shouldn't be an excuse) but in an all else equal, head-to-head contest, it doesn't help.

And we have an inland sea.

 

Ohio "was" and still is (though to a lesser extent) an economic & political power for over 100 years as well.

 

Ohio may not be "comfortable" in the winter, but the south isn't "comfortable" in the summer either.  Plus, we have many non-weather advantages over the south & west.

Minneapolis is definitely a city the rust belt and midwest should be emulating.

 

Based on what?  Show me a case study?  Anything!  Something!  Hell, it's the Boston/Seattle of the midwest.

 

Three words:

 

Mall Of America

 

Nice try BUT, the MOA isn't even in Minneapolis!  Certainly it's a tourist draw for the region, but to throw that in there as an economic indicator for Minnie....not so much.  ;)

 

Hell it's out past the airport.

Minneapolis is definitely a city the rust belt and midwest should be emulating.

 

Based on what?  Show me a case study?  Anything!  Something!  Hell, it's the Boston/Seattle of the midwest.

 

Three words:

 

Mall Of America

 

 

Oooo Yaa if yoo can stand the way those viking payple tauk. Yaa let's go ice fishing, yaa.

 

Boo. lol.

 

 

I wouldn't use Chicago as a comparison. It's a much bigger, global city and trades much more with other global cities than any city in Ohio does. Southern cities are overrated. They don't have knowledge capital. Their growth imo is probably due to cheap immigrant labor. It certainly isn't from states like Arizona having one of the worst public education systems in the country.

Pittsburgh would be easier for a city like Cleveland to relate to.

Why is it that someone from Cincinnati feels the need to tell Cleveland who they should relate to?  How about telling us who Cincinnati relates to??  We (Cleveland) can worry about who we want to relate to..

Detroit would probably be easiest for Cleveland to relate to.

 

Kidding, kidding. Please don't throw things.

Kasich won Montgomery County.

^By barely 1,000 votes.... and I am SURE that the difference was more than accounted for by Kasich votes in the rural areas in Montgomery County.

Which is why I always blame New Alexandria and Germantown.  THOSE people are the ones that gave us Kasich.

The Indiana border as a whole gave us Kasich.

You would've thought DARKE County would've voted for Strickland but no.  In Not-So-Green-ville, they voted for Kasich too.

Kasich beat Strickland in Montgomery County by 1,326 votes. On the Senate side, Portman ran away with Montgomery County something like 56% to 40%.

 

Now some kinda off-topic analysis:

 

What's interesting is that the Liberatarian and Constitution parties in the Governor and Senate races, respectively, garnered the third highest number of votes.

 

And Strahorn lost to Beagle...that's a big win for the GOP I think.

 

Republican Jan Kelly is a lawyer with a business background but was branded a "stay at home mom" everytime the Dayton Daily News mentioned her and she may unseat Dan Foley on the Montgomery County Commission.

If I see one more damn "stay at home mom" being touted...

If I see one more damn "stay at home mom" being touted...

seriously.  the thing is the Mont. Co GOP hated it every time the DDN would say she was a SATH mom. she's on a number of governmental boards and has experience as a lawyer for crying out loud. I think they continued to call her that just to irk the Republicans. oh well, if she wins it would be an upset IMO

There is a new discussion thread for the Governor Kasich administration:  Governor John Kasich

Please include news and discussion of the Kasich administration in that thread instead of this older 2010 Governor Race thread.  If you want to discuss the actual 2010 election process (i.e. voting patterns etc.) in this 2010 Governor Race thread, that's fine.  But discussion of what Kasich will or will not do as governor, criticism, praise and news items should go into the newer thread moving forward.

Once again, the rural, suburban, exurban hinterlands hold back our cities' progress, which is also due to the apathy of those urban dwellers. Less and less do I see myself staying in Ohio and that was before this election.

Once again, the rural, suburban, exurban hinterlands hold back our cities' progress financial ruination, which is also due to the apathy brainwashing of those urban dwellers.

some would word it differently

Once again, the rural, suburban, exurban hinterlands hold back our cities' progress financial ruination, which is also due to the apathy brainwashing of those urban dwellers.

some would word it differently

 

Yeah, like "once again the apathy, careless, disrespectful, and ignorant behavior of the majority of people in urban neighborhoods comnbined with the poor civic leadership displayed by core cities elected leaders is forcing urban dwellers to segregate themselves from these populations until they demostrate they can be a responsible community withing the larger social system."

 

I'll be quite honest - I live in Cleveland in what should be one of the better maintained neighborhoods as there are a lot of responsible, caring members of the community living in the area.  But the city services and utter disregard for its residents by the city of Cleveland is discouraging.  I can't tell yu how many times I've called about simple issues - the same issues like picking up leaves to prevent clogging sewage drains to avoid flooded streets after big rains - but it's not like it ever gets done unless A) I do it myself or B) I call. 

 

At some point, people just want to live where they live and not have to be so engaged in these sorts of things.  But in the cities, you have to work to make your community a good place. In the suburbs, you can just live there.  Until that changes, you'll see voting along these lines.

Once again, the rural, suburban, exurban hinterlands hold back our cities' progress financial ruination, which is also due to the apathy brainwashing of those urban dwellers.

some would word it differently

 

Yeah, like "once again the apathy, careless, disrespectful, and ignorant behavior of the majority of people in urban neighborhoods comnbined with the poor civic leadership displayed by core cities elected leaders is forcing urban dwellers to segregate themselves from these populations until they demostrate they can be a responsible community withing the larger social system."

 

I'll be quite honest - I live in Cleveland in what should be one of the better maintained neighborhoods as there are a lot of responsible, caring members of the community living in the area. But the city services and utter disregard for its residents by the city of Cleveland is discouraging. I can't tell yu how many times I've called about simple issues - the same issues like picking up leaves to prevent clogging sewage drains to avoid flooded streets after big rains - but it's not like it ever gets done unless A) I do it myself or B) I call.

 

At some point, people just want to live where they live and not have to be so engaged in these sorts of things. But in the cities, you have to work to make your community a good place. In the suburbs, you can just live there. Until that changes, you'll see voting along these lines.

 

Bingo.  I'm not playing to the city vs. suburb stereotype because there are some great/nice/clean neighborhoods in cities and some real garbage in suburbia, but yea...at some point people get sick of looking at weedy curbs.  People need to take some responsibility and cities need to start respecting themselves more in general.

Once again, the rural, suburban, exurban hinterlands hold back our cities' progress, which is also due to the apathy of those urban dwellers. Less and less do I see myself staying in Ohio and that was before this election.

 

Co-signed, dated and crossed-t and dotted-i

 

Hey man, you busy next weekend? I need some more friends to talk politics and development with. Maybe we could meet up at a coffee house, along with any other forumers from Columbus? It's the peak of sports seasons and most of my friends are stuck too far up the NBA/NFL's arse. I miss the days of UO meetups. Anyone interested? PM me.

Once again, the rural, suburban, exurban hinterlands hold back our cities' progress financial ruination, which is also due to the apathy brainwashing of those urban dwellers.

some would word it differently

 

Yeah, like "once again the apathy, careless, disrespectful, and ignorant behavior of the majority of people in urban neighborhoods comnbined with the poor civic leadership displayed by core cities elected leaders is forcing urban dwellers to segregate themselves from these populations until they demostrate they can be a responsible community withing the larger social system."

 

I'll be quite honest - I live in Cleveland in what should be one of the better maintained neighborhoods as there are a lot of responsible, caring members of the community living in the area. But the city services and utter disregard for its residents by the city of Cleveland is discouraging. I can't tell yu how many times I've called about simple issues - the same issues like picking up leaves to prevent clogging sewage drains to avoid flooded streets after big rains - but it's not like it ever gets done unless A) I do it myself or B) I call.

 

At some point, people just want to live where they live and not have to be so engaged in these sorts of things. But in the cities, you have to work to make your community a good place. In the suburbs, you can just live there. Until that changes, you'll see voting along these lines.

 

Bingo. I'm not playing to the city vs. suburb stereotype because there are some great/nice/clean neighborhoods in cities and some real garbage in suburbia, but yea...at some point people get sick of looking at weedy curbs. People need to take some responsibility and cities need to start respecting themselves more in general.

 

Cities need more $$ for the services you two are demanding.  It has little to do with cities "respecting themselves" and a lot to do with revenue.  In Cleveland, Scrabble, you would probably appreciate Mayor Jackson's approach of a "balanced budget" over all else, even shs96's curbside cleaniless.  If you want more and better services, you can't also be in the Taxed Enough Already crowd. 

Right, but they can cut spending in other areas.  BTW, what are you doing up so early?

Time change.

 

And, yes, spending can be cut in other areas.... but take a good look at any local budget.  You can't make a significant dent without touching police, fire and city services.

It always seems to me that, as a general rule, people on the left are more willing to compromise (or is it be realistic) about which budget items to cut. Righties talk a lot of game on the issue, but when it comes to cutting the big ticket items, they draw a bold line. (Especially with police, locally, and defense, nationally.)

 

Then there's the issue of order: cut services, then (if at all) cut the taxes that "paid" for the services (once you get below deficit levels). If the Bush years taught us anything about budgets and deficits, it's that the "starve the beast" method is a load of crap.

 

Tame the budget, then consider cutting taxes. That's fiscal responsibility. Someone tell this to Kasich.

^To give credit where due, Kasich paraphrased your last paragraph during the campaign.  So at least he understands that.

Once again, the rural, suburban, exurban hinterlands hold back our cities' progress financial ruination, which is also due to the apathy brainwashing of those urban dwellers.

some would word it differently

 

Yeah, like "once again the apathy, careless, disrespectful, and ignorant behavior of the majority of people in urban neighborhoods comnbined with the poor civic leadership displayed by core cities elected leaders is forcing urban dwellers to segregate themselves from these populations until they demostrate they can be a responsible community withing the larger social system."

 

I'll be quite honest - I live in Cleveland in what should be one of the better maintained neighborhoods as there are a lot of responsible, caring members of the community living in the area. But the city services and utter disregard for its residents by the city of Cleveland is discouraging. I can't tell yu how many times I've called about simple issues - the same issues like picking up leaves to prevent clogging sewage drains to avoid flooded streets after big rains - but it's not like it ever gets done unless A) I do it myself or B) I call.

 

At some point, people just want to live where they live and not have to be so engaged in these sorts of things. But in the cities, you have to work to make your community a good place. In the suburbs, you can just live there. Until that changes, you'll see voting along these lines.

 

Bingo. I'm not playing to the city vs. suburb stereotype because there are some great/nice/clean neighborhoods in cities and some real garbage in suburbia, but yea...at some point people get sick of looking at weedy curbs. People need to take some responsibility and cities need to start respecting themselves more in general.

 

Cities need more $$ for the services you two are demanding. It has little to do with cities "respecting themselves" and a lot to do with revenue. In Cleveland, Scrabble, you would probably appreciate Mayor Jackson's approach of a "balanced budget" over all else, even shs96's curbside cleaniless. If you want more and better services, you can't also be in the Taxed Enough Already crowd.  

When I say "cities" I'm referring to the people in the cities. That's why I said "people need to take some responsibility."  It's not the city government's responsibility to make people's yards/curbs/houses look good.  It's just a general point I was making about what makes a nice neighborhood.  Getting essential services right is a twofold problem: 1) the city government have the right priorities/execution and 2) the people funding the government sufficiently.

 

My "weedy curb" comment was pointed squarely at city residents.  It's about self-respect and responsibility.

 

I think shs96 makes a good point regardless.

Once again, the rural, suburban, exurban hinterlands hold back our cities' progress, which is also due to the apathy of those urban dwellers. Less and less do I see myself staying in Ohio and that was before this election.

 

Second that one. Though at least what I see in Toledo, it's not apathy in the city (in fact, the urban base still seems fired up and full of piss and vinegar), but more a feeling of powerlessness against state and national government. Dare I say I want to move to Michigan...at least moderates have survived there. Michigan has also proven themselves to be much better stewards of the lakes (public access blows most states out of the water, not to mention they keep the water clean). Rick Snyder is great and somehow managed to take down the Tea Party in the primary. He's an old school Ford/Milliken-style Republican (the kind of level-headed guys who got booted out the Republican door almost everywhere else in America). His election is actually the most newsworthy story of the season.

 

Anyone else notice that? Look at how the national media is obsessed with the right wing revolution in Ohio while completely ignoring the moderate success story in Michigan. The Tea Party is tired, done, old hat. Rick Snyder is the interesting story. He turned down all PAC money and refused to take any of their "qualifications" tests. I am sick and tired of hearing about ol' Johnny Boy. The news media this year was the worst it has ever been in history. They barely vetted any of these snakes.

Once again, the rural, suburban, exurban hinterlands hold back our cities' progress, which is also due to the apathy of those urban dwellers. Less and less do I see myself staying in Ohio and that was before this election.

 

Second that one.

+1

Don't blame SE Ohio; it went to Strickland.

Once again, the rural, suburban, exurban hinterlands hold back our cities' progress, which is also due to the apathy of those urban dwellers. Less and less do I see myself staying in Ohio and that was before this election.

 

Second that one.

+1

 

It's not the voters fault Strickland lost. It's Strickland's failed policies' fault.

 

It's Strickland's failed policies' fault.

 

Which policies, specifically?

Once again, the rural, suburban, exurban hinterlands hold back our cities' progress, which is also due to the apathy of those urban dwellers. Less and less do I see myself staying in Ohio and that was before this election.

 

Second that one.

+1

 

It's not the voters fault Strickland lost. It's Strickland's failed policies' fault.

 

I trust you voted for Matesz?

http://www.newsnet5.com/dpp/money/consumer/troubleshooter/akron-student-captures-voting-booth-problem-on-his-iphone

Looks like the problem was more to do with the voter than the machine. It seems like he was able to figure it out though so I dont see why it is an issue.

^Yeah, looks like a common case of PEBKAC, with a voting machine twist.

 

I don't know how the hell he managed to use the keyboard on his iPhone if his stubby fingers can't even manage to click on the right name.

With the Diebold voting machines, they must be calibrated and checked before each day. This machine wasn't properly calibrated, and as a result, a depression on a box can have the result appear in the box above, below or correctly. Yeah, it seems that after a few presses, it finally registered, but a properly calibrated machine should be perfect the first time around. The sad part is that the worker didn't care about the issue -- had this happened elsewhere, it would have been removed ASAP and have been recalibrated.

 

A simple issue, made worse by the uncaring worker.