From the 10/27/05 Enquirer:

 

 

GOP grip on city long gone

As voters hit suburbs, Democrats seize power

By Howard Wilkinson

Enquirer staff writer

 

In the 1960s, when Robert Manley was a young lawyer in Cincinnati, he was a Republican in a city where his political party ruled.

 

This year, Republicans endorsed only four candidates for council - and even if they all win, it's not enough to have a majority on the nine-member council.

 

http://news.enquirer.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20051027/NEWS01/510270358/1056/rss02

 

yup

The world is coming to an end.

yup

Such lucid political insight!

^hes a YUPpie!  :-D :laugh: :lol:

So one of the assumptions in the article is "white=Republican"?

 

 

REPUBLICAN ISSUES ON COUNCIL

Since January, when Chris Monzel was appointed to Hamilton County Commissioner Pat DeWine's council seat, he and fellow Republican Sam Malone have jointly introduced motion after motion in City Council that might give an indication of what a Republican council agenda might be.

 

But since they are only two on a nine-member council, many of their joint motions don't even get reported out of council committees. Among the joint motions the Republican council members have introduced this year are:

 

* An earnings tax break for Cincinnati homeowners.

* An end to the red-light camera program.

* Free parking for neighborhood Court Watch volunteers.

* An investigation into the city's use of street sweepers.

 

Some initiatives introduced by the two Republicans have been passed by the full council, including:

 

* A motion asking the city manager to buy new radios for Citizen on Patrol volunteers.

* An ordinance to put a charter amendment on the ballot requiring council members to vote before receiving annual pay raises, an initiative that became Issue 8 on the Nov. 8 election ballot.

 

http://news.enquirer.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20051027/NEWS01/510270358/1056/rss02

 

 

With such a powerhouse, earth-shattering agenda its hard to understand why they've lost power.

So one of the assumptions in the article is "white=Republican"?

 

Who's the last black republican you've met?

^ Ken Blackwell?

My impression is the article is making an assumption a reason for Cincinnatis shift away from the GOP is that the "white middle class" is leaving the city...which implies a marginalization of the Democrats as a "minority party'.  Thats the subtext I see.

 

From what I know of Cincinnati, and Louisville, perhaps the story is more complex.  I think that there is also some realignment of political affiliation of white middle class people who remain in the city...voting more Democratic and less GOP, which is contributing to GOP weakness in the city. 

 

I wonder if areas like Mnt Lookout, Hyde Park and that neighborhood around the observatory would have been more solid GOP a generation ago, and is now voting more Democratic. 

 

I know there has been such a realignment in similar neighborhoods in Louisville (the Cherokee Park/Highlands/Crescent Hill/Clifton areas).

 

 

 

didn't something like 11% of African American voters vote for Bush in 2004, and 10% in 2000.  If this is true, and I believe it is, then I think its a pretty safe assumption to say that because the city is becoming more and more black percentage wise, then thats a good reason why the city is now more democratic. 

^I don't see how those go together.

While it's not right to say white=Republican and black=Democrat, the latter is a lot closer to the truth than the former.  A higher proportion of African-Americans in the city is probably going to mean more Dem votes, but as Jeff said, that may only be part of the story.

^I would agree with that.

I wonder if areas like Mnt Lookout, Hyde Park and that neighborhood around the observatory would have been more solid GOP a generation ago, and is now voting more Democratic.

 

Those places are fiscally conservative, but for the most part socially liberal.

Those places are fiscally conservative, but for the most part socially liberal.

 

Like me :)

Those places are fiscally conservative, but for the most part socially liberal.

 

Like me :)

 

Not when it comes to strip clubs...

Seems I've missed a few posts. :-D  Had to take care of some business these past couple of days.  I'll try to catch up now.

 

I think one of the reasons why the city doesn't have such tall buildings is because they dont want them to be higher than the surrounding hills.  I think thats a good reason and I dont really care if the city has huge buildings.  I am not going to define a citys attitude based on the height of their buildings.  Plus a 1000 foot anything would look way out of place in Cincinnati.  Plus, there isnt anything wrong with tradition in certain things.  If people want to keep Carew the tallest then I dont care.  What I do care about is the vitality of the city and its neighborhoods and dont get caught up on things like the height of buildings. 

 

I'm not really hung up on the height of buildings - at least not as much as I used to be.  And I'm not using the height of buildings as the sole factor in assessing it as a conservative city.  I'm merely stating that its conservative attitude is evident in the choices made with respect to the projects it has done in the past.  (Not all of them, so don't misread that.)  As a whole, it is a conservative place.  Period.  People here aren't as open to accepting liberal ideas.  The majority of people in the region voted for Bush.  They generally frown upon gay and lesbian rights.  Community values dictate that pornography is frowned upon, and you won't find adult stores in the county.  That hardly screams "liberal" to me.  (I don't advocate porn.  I'm just mentioning it because it is such a hot topic whenever it comes up in the area.  Remember all the flack around Flint and the Hustler stores?)

 

To address your comment, Carew Tower indeed DOES rise higher than the surrounding hills.  So do a couple of other buildings.  And as far as a 1000' lookout tower on the riverfront, why would that appear anymore out of place than a 1000'+ lookout tower that was proposed for Newport?

 

Oh, I don't know how tall our those ugly cell phone towers on those hills? I see them towering over the skyline coming in on 75N in KY. I'd much rather have building that tall.

 

Also, it seems like the decisions makers in this city have a very narrow idea what they want built in the city and if a developer has project that doesn't fit their idea of a DT utopia it won't happen. I'm convince more more that there are people who would rather have nothing built if it doesn't fit their retro 1832 DT image of this city.

 

Thank you.  I completely agree!

 

 

Where do you LIVE in Cincinnati?

 

 

I currently don't live in Cincinnati.  I live in Fairfield.  But I've lived in the area for over 40 years.  Until I was almost 25, I lived on the west side - predominantly Price Hill and Delhi.  After that, I moved to the Oakley/Hyde Park area until I was 32.  Then I moved up to Butler County.  Was there a reason you asked?

 

C'mon guys.  Cincy is a conservative town.  I'm not talking about local or national politics being conservative.  I'm talking about big things.  Changes.  Chances.

 

Just look at the light rail situation.  Two freaking thirds of the people in this town said it wasn't a good idea.  Meanwhile I live in Loveland, and my fastest route to downtown is through KY.  Point being, this town moves SLOOOOWWWWLY.

 

Exactly.  It is rather pathetic that this town is so behind the times when it comes to DOING what really NEEDS to be done.

 

Again perception.  You live in Loveland, why should the city pay to make your commute to the city more bearable?

 

Because like it or not, Cincinnati needs those of us in the suburbs in order to survive.  Same as Kentucky and the airport.  Cincinnati itself only encompasses a small fraction of the total amount of land and population in SW Ohio and NKY.

 

If you don't like the commute move somewhere where the commute is bearable.  How is this related to the city being conservative?  You also live in a conservative suburb and are influenced by the people around you in Loveland to reflect a false sense of reality when dealing with the city and the people in the city limits. 

 

You have also been influenced from a bias media. I mean look at your last sentence in the first paragraph.  Have you not been part of the metro for the last 6 years? 

 

Here are several developments that have happened

 

* Paul Brown Stadium

* Great American Ballpark

* Ft. Washington Way gutted and rebuilt

* Convention Center Remodeled and expanded

* Government Square Rebuilt

* Fountain Square & Parking Garage Reconstructed

* $4 million renovation to make Purple People Bridge one of the few dedicated pedestrian bridges to cross two states

* Queen City Square Phase I

* Kroger Parking Garage & Condos

* Contemporary Art Center

* National Underground Freedom Center

* Taft Museum Remodel

* New Residential Construction going up all over the city

 

Vacancy rates in downtown Cincinnati are some of the lowest in the Midwest.  The burbs of Cincinnati are another story.

 

I beg to differ.  They are building tons of new office parks in the suburbs.  In West Chester, Mason, Sharonville, Northern Kentucky, etc...

 

And I thought we just concluded that part of the reason QCS2, or any other building taller than Carew Tower, hasn't been built yet is because of the lack of demand for Class A office space - ??

 

As for your list of recent projects....I have yet to come see any of them.  I haven't even driven on Fort Washington Way since it was completed.  And besides, what's your point?  How are they any indication that the city is liberal?  The city is still losing population.  People are heading to the suburbs and even out of the region entirely. 

 

Over 60% of the city of Cincinnati voted for John Kerry.

 

 

Even though 60% of the city may have voted for Kerry, I repeat that Cincinnati as a whole encompasses a very small percentage of the population of the area, and there are certainly more people who live in Hamilton county outside the city limits than live within, and Hamilton county predominantly voted for BUSH.  If you want the proof, I'll give you the link.

 

The city repealed Article XII.

 

And do you think that really would have happened if it hadn't been for all the negative news about the city?

 

Gay friendly establishments like Hamburger Mary's continue to thrive while new places like Union Center Video Cafe open.

 

And yet The Dock is such a flashy, glittery place in a highly visible part of town, right?  Oh no wait, it's a converted warehouse under some highway underpasses down near the gravel pits on the river.  Yeah, real gay-friendly place.  How many other gay bars in the area are located in nondescript corner buildings, or are clearly identifiable as gay bars?

 

No one is saying that Cincinnati is a tree hugging town with PETA activists waving signs at people who drive over the Brent Spence, but for the love of god, it isn't this conservative mecca that people like to make it out to be.  If it was, I WOULDN'T BE HERE.

 

I'm not saying it is the most conservative place on earth.  But it does have a reputation for being a predominantly conservative town.  If it is such a liberal place, why does it have such a hard time retaining younger people, or drawing them to the area.  It's a FAMILY-ORIENTED region.  And that's fine.  But that most always identifies with being CONSERVATIVE.

 

FYI, there are no real "set" parameters for building heights in Cincinnati.  The Year 2000 Plan set out several zones and ideal heights to keep the skyline ramping up from the outside and peaking at Fountain Square (as viewed from NKY/Devou area).  The only other restriction I know of is how sunlight hits Fountain Square.  As you can see from the pic above, QCSII obviously puts a dent in the Year 2000 Plan.  I will try to find my copy and scan it in.

 

That illustrates my point about Cincinnati being a conservative place, unwilling to embrace change.  Why should it be dictated that the skyline can only peak at Fountain Square?  For one thing, the city has already blown it because we have nothing but a short squatty department store at FSW, and unless they are planning on blowing up 5/3rd soon, or the Westin, it's pretty much a done deal that there will never be a building taller than Carew at FS.  When there is no willingness to embrace change, you have the very definition of conservative.

First, lets keep the topics to their main subject.  I split this off to a new thread.

 

You know it is a shame that the metro is full of people with your mindset.  Yes, sad.  You live in the burbs and bitch about what the city doesn't have and don't even come down to the city to see the new offerings and then talk about the city being behind.  The fact that you haven’t been in the city in over 6 years shows that you lack any sort of culture. You talk about the city being conservative and say it in a negative connotation yet you come across conservative yourself. 

 

The city has some of the lowest vacancy rates in the metro.  Western Southern has shown intent to build phase II.  I wish they would press on with the ground breaking but I do realize that the businesses are looking out for their best interest and they don't want to flood the market with all this office space that isn't necessarily needed.  If you look below you will see vacancy rates through the metro. You will notice that the vacancy rate is far better downtown than the West Chester's & Mason's you seem to be in favor of.  As for Sharonville, are you serious?  They rehab a vacant building and turn it into a Sheraton and all of a sudden they are in a building boom?  I suggest you drive through there again and you will see a town full of blight.  Sharonville is a pit.

 

 

what's your point?  How are they any indication that the city is liberal?

 

What is your point?  I never said that those projects were and indication of the city being liberal.  I was just arguing that the city wasn't conservative.  You do realize there is a middle ground.  Is moderation not acceptable?  Isn't Fairfield not a town of moderation?  There certainly isn't anything special going on there except cheap land to build new homes.

 

Even though 60% of the city may have voted for Kerry, I repeat that Cincinnati as a whole encompasses a very small percentage of the population of the area, and there are certainly more people who live in Hamilton county outside the city limits than live within, and Hamilton county predominantly voted for BUSH.  If you want the proof, I'll give you the link.

 

I fail to see your point.  I am talking about the city of Cincinnati.  We all know that the suburbs are a conservative oasis. 

 

And do you think that really would have happened if it hadn't been for all the negative news about the city?

 

Your answer is vague and you are just bating me.  Bad news about the city?  From who, where?  The Enquirer?  If you take them for face value then you should know better, especially since you have been around for a while.

 

And yet The Dock is such a flashy, glittery place in a highly visible part of town, right?  Oh no wait, it's a converted warehouse under some highway underpasses down near the gravel pits on the river.  Yeah, real gay-friendly place.

 

Are you gay?  I myself am not but I have been to Hamburger Mary's and Union Center Cafe and they are both are nice places.  (There are many more) As for the Dock, it isn't my thing so I never had any intent on going there but your point is moot and doesn't counter mine.  If they want to be there who cares, that says little to support your argument.  Club Motion is across the street in Longworth Hall, which is also under an overpass, is Cincinnati not straight friendly because of that?  please...

 

I'm not saying it is the most conservative place on earth.  But it does have a reputation for being a predominantly conservative town.

 

Well reputation doesn't always equate to truth.  People still like to use the Mark Twain quote around here to make their point too.  Perception is a powerful thing and sometimes it is hard to break the image of what people want to paint you.  LA & Miami have had numerous riots yet people have moved on in those cities.  People want to dwell on the negatives instead of the positives here in Cincinnati.  That is a shame.

 

For one thing, the city has already blown it because we have nothing but a short squatty department store at FSW, and unless they are planning on blowing up 5/3rd soon, or the Westin, it's pretty much a done deal that there will never be a building taller than Carew at FS.  When there is no willingness to embrace change, you have the very definition of conservative.

 

 

We?  You have obviously given up on Cincinnati so I don't think there is a "we" about it.  5/3rd owns the air right to the new Macy's.  That building was built to support a skyscraper on top of it. 

 

It is interesting that you mention change.  I will agree that there are some that don't like change.  I for one think change is good that is why I am excited about the Calhoun Street development in Midtown and have supported the immanent domain case in Norwood even though it is at the expense of homes owners and favors developers.  I think the retail core of the inner ring burbs needs to be strengthened so we can keep people in the inner rings from going to the Fairfield's of the area.

 

Until you come to the city and experience the great attractions and art ventures that this city offers, then you lack credibility and are just whining to whine.  Bockfest is coming up on March 3rd, the May Festival is around the corner.  The Taft, Music Hall & Aronoff all have great shows going on through the month.  The city is alive and if someone who has been here for 2.5 years (myself) can experience these great venues, there should be no excuse for someone who has been here their whole life.

the city is not conservative.  Not that it would be a bad thing in my opinion, but the truth is it is not.  And plus, the county isnt extremely conservative either.  Yea, the county went for Bush for barely.  I think it was something like 52% went for Bush.  Not sure on the exact number but I do know it was low.  I think its good that our county is more middle road as opposed to other counties that lean far right(delaware county, warren county) and far left counties(cuyahoga county)

are we talking about political conservatism here or conservative development plans, it seems to go back and forth a bit, just need some clarification.

the city is not conservative.  Not that it would be a bad thing in my opinion, but the truth is it is not.  And plus, the county isnt extremely conservative either.  Yea, the county went for Bush for barely.  I think it was something like 52% went for Bush.  Not sure on the exact number but I do know it was low.  I think its good that our county is more middle road as opposed to other counties that lean far right(delaware county, warren county) and far left counties(cuyahoga county)

 

Atlas, you are correct and Mr. 1012, you are not... 1012, I'll break it down for you:

 

Hamilton County total pop. 845,303

http://www.answers.com/topic/hamilton-county-ohio?method=22

 

Number of Hamilton County voters that voted for Bush: 222,404

Number of Hamilton County voters that voted for Kerry: 199,499

http://news.enquirer.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20041127/NEWS01/411270379

 

Next step, you take 222,404/845,303 (Bush voters)

 

and you get: .26 or 26%

 

Now take 199,499/845,303 (Kerry Voters)

 

and you get: .24 or 24%

 

Now you subtract .24 from .26 and you then get= .02 or 2%

 

So, "majority" and "predominantly" are a little exaggerative, don't cha think? ;)

 

...and if you want me to break out the results by specific polls, then I would be more than happy to supply you with a list! ;)

There are already at least two threads that deal with this subject in Ohio Politics:

 

GOP grip on city of Cincinnati is long gone

http://www.urbanohio.com/forum2/index.php?topic=5879.0

 

Ohio's most liberal/most conservative city

http://www.urbanohio.com/forum2/index.php?topic=4752.0

Cincinnati as a metro yes, Cincinnati city proper not so much, but moreso than Cleveland and Toledo

con·ser·va·tive (kən-sûr'və-tĭv) pronunciation

adj.

 

  1. Favoring traditional views and values; tending to oppose change.

  2. Traditional or restrained in style: a conservative dark suit.

  3. Moderate; cautious: a conservative estimate.

  4.

        1. Of or relating to the political philosophy of conservatism.

        2. Belonging to a conservative party, group, or movement.

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  6. Conservative Of or adhering to Conservative Judaism.

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  1. One favoring traditional views and values.

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  3. Conservative A member or supporter of the Conservative Party in the United Kingdom or the Progressive Conservative Party in Canada.

  4. Archaic. A preservative agent or principle.

 

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There's probably a higher percentage of conservative people in Cincinnati compared to most cities but it's definitely blown out of proportion.  I don't like to consider myself conservative or liberal, or democrat/republican, because I have certain opinions that could support either side. 

Besides the conservative election trends, Cincy always seems to have some big headlines that make it look conservative: Marge Schott, Maplethorpe exhibit, etc.

There's probably a higher percentage of conservative people in Cincinnati compared to most cities...

 

To what cities and to what regards?

There's probably a higher percentage of conservative people in Cincinnati compared to most cities...

 

To what cities and to what regards?

I said "probably" implying that it's just my observation and assumption. I don't care enough to look up statistics on the level of conservatism in cities. I also don't feel like talking about which ways Cincinnatians tend to be conservative/liberal economically and socially because it doesn't matter what I say, someone will have an opposing perspective and still bring up valid points.  All I'm saying is that I don't think there's too much of either extreme.  I do want to say though that the conservative people in Cincinnati tend to be more racist, and ignore the real problems and solutions to those problems. From the conservative people I've known, their solution to high crime (In price hill for example) is to move to Delhi.

There's probably a higher percentage of conservative people in Cincinnati compared to most cities...

 

To what cities and to what regards?

I said "probably" implying that it's just my observation and assumption. I don't care enough to look up statistics on the level of conservatism in cities. I also don't feel like talking about which ways Cincinnatians tend to be conservative/liberal economically and socially because it doesn't matter what I say, someone will have an opposing perspective and still bring up valid points.  All I'm saying is that I don't think there's too much of either extreme.  I do want to say though that the conservative people in Cincinnati tend to be more racist, and ignore the real problems and solutions to those problems. From the conservative people I've known, their solution to high crime (In price hill for example) is to move to Delhi.

 

New?

 

 

New?

Not sure what you mean, am I new to the forum?

Wow...I was totally ignored.  ;)

A). I don't understand the purpose of this thread as it has been discussed SEVERAL times before (as grasscat has showed)

 

B). It is established that Metro Cincinnati is "conservative" and the city is "moderate-liberal" so what else should this about?  Proving others wrong?

 

C). The term "conservative" and such can be construded in so many ways (socially, economically, religiously, etc) and some are in favor of Metro Cincinnati's "conservatism" and some not in favor of it (as other metros in Ohio are more religious, perhaps).

 

D). Historically, Cincinnati has been quite progressive (as Republican actually was Progressive before the FDR-switcharoo) and there is no reason for it to stop being so.  The city has had its "issues" i.e. Maplethorpe exhibit (which in turn produced a Zaha Hadid-designed CAC), gay rights (repealed by its own citizens), "racial tension" (which has evolved into the African-American CoC's involvement wity CincyUSA CVB), Larry Flynt (now a Hustler store downtown), Marge Schott (the bitch is dead), election faults (Cuyahoga WAS 60/40...so I'm sure those 40% of voters just don't count, do they...nor the other 40+% of Franklin, Montgomery, Lucas, Summit, etc), and such but then again, what city hasn't had issues these days?  Even Easton has issues.  Deal with them and get over them. 

 

If anything, you'll never be bored in Cincinnati, that's for damn sure.

^You basically said it all.

Honestly, I think Cincinnati's problems are what make it so great.  Living in a perfect utopian city is lame.  We like having something to b*tch about.

 

 

New?

Not sure what you mean, am I new to the forum?

 

New Delhi. That's in India, so it'd be quite a commute. Don't mind me.

Really, it just boils down to one's own perception. While it has been established that Cincinnati really isn't that conservative, for me I like places that have a more liberal bent. Doesn't change the fact that I liked visiting the city and wouldn't mind heading down there again sometime. I was going to go to the Maisonette for the first time, but sadly that'll never happen. :cry: That must've been a real tragedy for the city and I sympathize with them.

haha (two posts up)

 

 

Monte,

 

That chart you displayed shows low curret vacancy for Cincy's CBD and high vacancy for suburbs like Mason and Kenwood.  However, if you look at the absorption, you see that the CBD is losing tenants and Mason and Kenwood are gaining them.  Does this concern you as a potentially bad trend?

A). I don't understand the purpose of this thread as it has been discussed SEVERAL times before (as grasscat has showed)

 

This was broken off from another thread where it had no relevance.  Instead of it getting lost in an older thread or the originator thinking I deleted the thread, I moved it to a new thread to discuss this further instead of mucking up the original thread.

 

Besides the conservative election trends, Cincy always seems to have some big headlines that make it look conservative: Marge Schott, Maplethorpe exhibit, etc.

 

Comments like this are interesting.  People like to grab on to something and repeat it over and over.  Cincinnati does need more positive headlines but when something negative is printed it seems it is hard for the city to shake that image.  Maybe one way would be to invite a Maplethorpe exhibit back to the city?  These sensorship issues happen to cities like New York too, here is a write-up in City Beat from 1999 that mentions the same thing with more detail:

 

BY STEVE RAMOS

 

It happens frequently. I call it Cincinnati's cultural burden of shame. I was riding an airport shuttle bus in Toronto, conversing with a gentleman from Portland. "Oh you're from Cincinnati? Oh yeah, Mapplethorpe. Not much of an arts town, is it?"

 

http://www.citybeat.com/1999-09-30/artsbeat.shtml

election faults (Cuyahoga WAS 60/40...so I'm sure those 40% of voters just don't count

 

Which election are you talking about?  Presidential?  Cuyahoga went 67% Kerry--33% Bush

^Fuzzy math. :lol:

election faults (Cuyahoga WAS 60/40...so I'm sure those 40% of voters just don't count

 

Which election are you talking about?  Presidential?  Cuyahoga went 67% Kerry--33% Bush

 

Regardless if it were 80/20, my point still stands that it still is a population that was relavant towards the national election.

 

Though I presume the only reason you corrected me on the Cuyahoga numbers was to do just that.

That's OK, though.  Us liberals pay for a lot of nukes, highway offramps, and oil exploration.  Who's paying more for what they are against?

are we talking about political conservatism here or conservative development plans, it seems to go back and forth a bit, just need some clarification.

 

Well, given all the lambasting that avant garde skyscraper proposed for Louisville is getting on this board, I'd say Cincy is probably pretty culturally conservative (yet CAC did actually commsion Zaha Hadid and build her design, so, hard to say...)

 

I think you can tell SW Ohio is probably more conservative or middle of the road just by the posters on this board.  The ones from NE Ohio tend to be more liberal, and accept that label while the ones from SW Ohio are not...or reject the label for their political postions.

 

I think you can tell SW Ohio is probably more conservative or middle of the road just by the posters on this board.  The ones from NE Ohio tend to be more liberal, and accept that label while the ones from SW Ohio are not...or reject the label for their political postions.

 

What are you talking about?  You will find that 95% of all Urban Ohio lean left to one degree or another.  It is the nature of being an urbanfile.  Many of us are aware that you a quick to defend Kentucky and snake on Ohio so please spare us the stereotypes.  I would like you to explain/support your claim how SW Ohio is more conservative based on the posters on this board like you mentioned above.

I would like you to explain/support your claim how SW Ohio is more conservative based on the posters on this board like you mentioned above.

 

You yourself are a fiscal conservative.  Inkalin, Preservationrestoration, Atlas, and Jaymecklenborg all appear to be conservative or moderate-to-conservative. Unsualfire seemst o be anti-union, which is sort of a conservaitve position to take.

 

Pigboy is probably a moderate.  I myself am a moderate Republican.

 

 

About the only conservative poster from NE Ohio is that guy from Youngstown.  The rest of them seem to be pretty liberal.

 

Also, I dont think "conservative" is necessarily a negative label.  It could mean a very pro-buisness political environment, which means an area is attractive to new & relocating buisness. 

 

 

^ I agree with that.

 

  I do want to say though that the conservative people in Cincinnati tend to be more racist, and ignore the real problems and solutions to those problems. From the conservative people I've known, their solution to high crime (In price hill for example) is to move to Delhi.

 

What!!!  How can you say such comments???  What are you basing this on?  I hate stereotypes and assumptions and thats what this is. 

You yourself are a fiscal conservative. 

 

Ahhh  :roll:  Talk about pulling a rabbit out of your hat.  What does that have to do with the price of tea in China?  Don't put me in the conservative group because I balance my checkbook and have zero debit outside of my house.  The damn Conservatives aren't even fiscally conservative.  The current administration keeps writing checks our grandkids won't be able to pay off. 

 

I knew you would mention inkaelin, hence why I said 95%.  The fact that you mentioned 4 people out of 598 forumers proves my point that your claim is off base.  I really don't want to turn this into a list of forumer names so lets stray from doing that again. 

 

As for your claim of rejecting being labeled... Well absolutely when it is incorrect. 

 

 

 

You yourself are a fiscal conservative. 

 

Ahhh  :roll:  Talk about pulling a rabbit out of your hat.  What does that have to do with the price of tea in China?  Don't put me in the conservative group because I balance my checkbook and have zero debit outside of my house.  The damn Conservatives aren't even fiscally conservative.  The current administration keeps writing checks our grandkids won't be able to pay off. 

 

Not necessarily balancing a checkbook, more like what you are willing spend on.  A spendthrift is essentially a fiscal conservative.

As for your claim of rejecting being labeled... Well absolutely when it is incorrect. 

 

When did I reject being labled?

 

The fact that you mentioned 4 people out of 598 forumers proves my point that your claim is off base.

 

How many are active?  I said the ones from this part of Ohio seem to be more moderate or conservative, and the ones further north more liberal..thats based on reading frequent posters.  I guess if I really cared enough I could do a content analyses to prove or disprove my point, but I don't really care that much about this...

 

And "fiscal conservative" is a political position, not what you do with your presonal finances.  You have said you where a fiscal conservative, so I thought you meant the political position.