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17 minutes ago, Toddguy said:

You would think they would have learned by now.

Learned what?  Like it or not, this apartment complex will fill up rapidly after it is finished.

3 hours ago, columbus17 said:

Who wants to look at everyone's car? Makes no sense.

Tons of people apparently.  These complexes always fill up.

They do, which means there's no motivation to "do better".

 

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13 hours ago, TH3BUDDHA said:

Learned what?  Like it or not, this apartment complex will fill up rapidly after it is finished.

Proper design for apartment complexes in urban areas. 

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4 hours ago, Toddguy said:

Proper design for apartment complexes in urban areas. 

 

The point @TH3BUDDHAis making is there is no incentive to to make a "proper urban design". This place will fill up immediately and the people filling it up don't require a proper urban apartment complex. 

43 minutes ago, cbussoccer said:

 

The point @TH3BUDDHAis making is there is no incentive to to make a "proper urban design". This place will fill up immediately and the people filling it up don't require a proper urban apartment complex. 

Having no incentive does not let them off the hook-not when they are putting up places like Bridge Park a mile or two away. They should know better whether they have to do it the right way for the future or not. Just because there is a housing shortage and they can "fill it up immediately" does not make it ok. 

 

And yes I understood what he was trying to say. There was really no need for him to say it though IMO.  That was not the point.

 

They should be planning it with a central garage and less parking because there is a shortage and they can cover the costs with the outrageous rents they will charge anyway for that fact and it is Dublin we are talking about here. They could leave some surface parking and even go denser with more units. This ain't Galloway or Canal Winchester we are talking about here. 

 

What we don't need in housing is planned obsolescence, and this is verging on that. 

 

I could have elaborated a bit in my original response, I was lazy so my bad on that I will admit.

 

*the end.

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1 hour ago, Toddguy said:

Having no incentive does not let them off the hook-not when they are putting up places like Bridge Park a mile or two away.

 

Bridge Park has absolutely nothing to do with this. It's a completely different situation. 

 

1 hour ago, Toddguy said:

They should know better whether they have to do it the right way for the future or not.

 

I'm not sure what they should know. They are building a suburban apartment complex in a suburban area. Do I like that the area is suburban? No. Do I understand building building a suburban apartment complex in the middle of suburban office developments that won't be changing anytime soon? Yes. 

 

1 hour ago, Toddguy said:

They should be planning it with a central garage

 

Why should they? Again, look at it from the developer's standpoint. There's absolutely no reason for them to undertake the massive and unnecessary cost of building a parking garage here. 

 

1 hour ago, Toddguy said:

What we don't need in housing is planned obsolescence, and this is verging on that. 

 

How is this on the verge of obsolescence? The below area is not going to suddenly become an urban development oasis.

 

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1 hour ago, cbussoccer said:

 

Bridge Park has absolutely nothing to do with this. It's a completely different situation. 

 

 

I'm not sure what they should know. They are building a suburban apartment complex in a suburban area. Do I like that the area is suburban? No. Do I understand building building a suburban apartment complex in the middle of suburban office developments that won't be changing anytime soon? Yes. 

 

 

Why should they? Again, look at it from the developer's standpoint. There's absolutely no reason for them to undertake the massive and unnecessary cost of building a parking garage here. 

 

 

How is this on the verge of obsolescence? The below area is not going to suddenly become an urban development oasis.

 

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I simply think we should be encourage good building practices, and discouraging not so good ones. That's all. It is really not that deep or worthy of this discussion.  This is not bad really, it is just that it could be better JMHO that's all. No harm, no foul and all.

9 hours ago, Toddguy said:

Proper design for apartment complexes in urban areas. 

Usually, when somebody says, "You think they would have learned by now", it suggests that the person that is supposed to "have learned by now" has suffered some sort of bad consequence for taking the action, but continues to do the same thing, regardless.  My point is that, in this scenario, the developers aren't suffering consequences that "they should have learned by now."  They are making a decision that will work out very well for them.

 

I understand that you ACTUALLY mean that you just don't like the design, which I agree with.  You just expressed it in an odd way as if the developers keep doing this even though they get bad results.

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1 hour ago, Toddguy said:

I simply think we should be encourage good building practices, and discouraging not so good ones. That's all. It is really not that deep or worthy of this discussion.  This is not bad really, it is just that it could be better JMHO that's all. No harm, no foul and all.

 

I agree that we should encourage certain building practices and discourage others. The point was that there is nothing to discourage the builders in this instance from building a suburban complex. The economics don't discourage it, the customer base doesn't discourage it, and the building codes don't discourage it. So with that being the case, it is reasonable for them to build a suburban complex to match the suburban surroundings. Do I like suburban developments? Absolutely not. But it's totally reasonable that they are building this way, and saying "they should just build urban because that's what I like" is not very reasonable at all. 

23 minutes ago, cbussoccer said:

 

I agree that we should encourage certain building practices and discourage others. The point was that there is nothing to discourage the builders in this instance from building a suburban complex. The economics don't discourage it, the customer base doesn't discourage it, and the building codes don't discourage it. So with that being the case, it is reasonable for them to build a suburban complex to match the suburban surroundings. Do I like suburban developments? Absolutely not. But it's totally reasonable that they are building this way, and saying "they should just build urban because that's what I like" is not very reasonable at all. 

There is a difference between "good and bad" and "reasonable and unreasonable" but obviously there was some miscommunication here so I will not continue this particular discussion. Let's move on to something else-this is going nowhere. 

 

At least housing is being built and we need housing-I'm sure we can agree and end the discussion on that positive note. 

  • 4 weeks later...

Wasn’t sure if this belonged here, but it is labeled Dublin so move it, if necessary. 
 

Champion Cos. announces construction start date for River Park of Dublin, releases new renderings of 203-unit apartment complex

 

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“River Park will be a first-class apartment community and exciting addition to the northwest corridor of Columbus, with unrivaled finishes and amenities,” Champion Cos. CEO Brian Yeager said in a press release. 

Champions Cos. is partnering with Rockford Construction to build the apartment complex. The companies also teamed up on The District at Berkshire, a 300-unit apartment community next to Tanger Outlets in Sunbury. 

“Rockford Construction is excited to partner with The Champion Companies on another quality apartment community development," Rockford President and CEO Bob Yoakam said in the release. "Champion’s gift for management, combined with Rockford’s construction expertise, will surely make River Park one of the premier apartment communities in the area.” 

The project is expected to begin the first week of July and will take around two years to complete.

^^ the balcony color seems a bit harsh to me.

1 hour ago, Toddguy said:

^^ the balcony color seems a bit harsh to me.

The entire thing seems a bit harsh, looks like a fancy warehouse building with some extra windows. It’s very uninviting and I really really hope Columbus starts to get some outside investment. 
 

I know these buildings go up all over, but at least there is a chance someone from outside of Columbus could add a little uniqueness.

2 hours ago, VintageLife said:

The entire thing seems a bit harsh, looks like a fancy warehouse building with some extra windows. It’s very uninviting and I really really hope Columbus starts to get some outside investment. 
 

I know these buildings go up all over, but at least there is a chance someone from outside of Columbus could add a little uniqueness.

Well...I was trying to not be to negative about it. But I am not going to disagree. It does look formidable especially from the road.

10 hours ago, VintageLife said:

Wasn’t sure if this belonged here, but it is labeled Dublin so move it, if necessary. 
 

Champion Cos. announces construction start date for River Park of Dublin, releases new renderings of 203-unit apartment complex

 

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“River Park will be a first-class apartment community and exciting addition to the northwest corridor of Columbus, with unrivaled finishes and amenities,” Champion Cos. CEO Brian Yeager said in a press release. 

Champions Cos. is partnering with Rockford Construction to build the apartment complex. The companies also teamed up on The District at Berkshire, a 300-unit apartment community next to Tanger Outlets in Sunbury. 

“Rockford Construction is excited to partner with The Champion Companies on another quality apartment community development," Rockford President and CEO Bob Yoakam said in the release. "Champion’s gift for management, combined with Rockford’s construction expertise, will surely make River Park one of the premier apartment communities in the area.” 

The project is expected to begin the first week of July and will take around two years to complete.

Rockford Homes does an OK job of building stuff but I'm someone laughing at their sudden interest in a development like this. It's a whole different ball game.

  • 4 weeks later...

 

Snatched a couple quick ones from Mount Carmel Dublin at Sawmill and 270 last night just before dark 

 

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On 6/23/2023 at 12:48 PM, VintageLife said:

Wasn’t sure if this belonged here, but it is labeled Dublin so move it, if necessary. 
 

Champion Cos. announces construction start date for River Park of Dublin, releases new renderings of 203-unit apartment complex

 

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“River Park will be a first-class apartment community and exciting addition to the northwest corridor of Columbus, with unrivaled finishes and amenities,” Champion Cos. CEO Brian Yeager said in a press release. 

Champions Cos. is partnering with Rockford Construction to build the apartment complex. The companies also teamed up on The District at Berkshire, a 300-unit apartment community next to Tanger Outlets in Sunbury. 

“Rockford Construction is excited to partner with The Champion Companies on another quality apartment community development," Rockford President and CEO Bob Yoakam said in the release. "Champion’s gift for management, combined with Rockford’s construction expertise, will surely make River Park one of the premier apartment communities in the area.” 

The project is expected to begin the first week of July and will take around two years to complete.

 

Dirt finally moving at the River Park of Dublin project.

 

Quick one from last night just before dark:

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  • 1 month later...

 

Mount Carmel Dublin 

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Dublin's Riverview Village development lands key approval, construction could start in 2024

 

A project that could transform a prominent section of Dublin's riverfront reached a key milestone Monday.

 

Dublin City Council approved a real estate transfer and development agreement for Riverview Village, a project led by COhatch CEO Matt Davis. The vote sets the stage for the mixed-use development to move forward.

 

Located along North Riverview Street near the Scioto River in Historic Dublin, the project aims to create a "first-of-its-kind coworking and entrepreneurship village," according to COhatch. It will be anchored by the coworking company's headquarters, and is the potential site of an innovation center the city is looking to establish.

 

The project, which Davis estimates will be in the $9 million to $15 million range, would include the redevelopment of four historic homes and the construction of a 15,000-square-foot building that would serve as the COhatch headquarters. Davis said a sixth building also is being considered for the development, which stretches into a wooded area next to the riverbank.

 

More below:

https://www.bizjournals.com/columbus/news/2023/09/12/cohatch-riverview-village-innovation-center-dublin.html

 

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I know this is transportation also, but talks about a building so I’m putting it here. 
 

Dublin Planning for Future Passenger Rail Station

 

The City of Dublin is planning for a future in which Central Ohio is connected to Chicago via passenger rail, hiring a consultant and holding public meetings to discuss building a rail station on a 100-acre parcel of land on the suburb’s western edge.
 

The city-owned parcel, at the corner of Houchard Road and State Route 161, is adjacent to existing Conrail freight tracks. Those tracks would be upgraded to carry passenger trains if the proposed Midwest Connect rail corridor ends up moving forward. 
 

Dublin issued a Request for Proposals last fall for a “Station Visioning Study and Master Plan” and later hired NBBJ to lead the effort. Feedback is now being sought from Dublin residents and business owners on how the land around the station might be developed and what other transportation connections could be included in the plan.

 

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Dublin Planning for Future Passenger Rail Station

 

"The City of Dublin is planning for a future in which Central Ohio is connected to Chicago via passenger rail, hiring a consultant and holding public meetings to discuss building a rail station on a 100-acre parcel of land on the suburb’s western edge.

 

Nicholson described the 3C+D line as the one most likely to move forward first, but the planning process is time-consuming – it could still be four or five years before the start of service. The state has applied for $500,000 in funding from the Federal Railroad Administration to study the corridor, and is still waiting to hear back on the status of the application.

 

The city of Fort Wayne, Indiana and the Mid-Ohio Regional Planning Commission (MORPC) applied for $500,000 to study the Chicago-to-Columbus corridor that Dublin hopes to be a part of. That line would include stops in Marysville and Lima and extend east to Pittsburgh."

6 minutes ago, VintageLife said:

I know this is transportation also, but talks about a building so I’m putting it here. 
 

Dublin Planning for Future Passenger Rail Station

 

The City of Dublin is planning for a future in which Central Ohio is connected to Chicago via passenger rail, hiring a consultant and holding public meetings to discuss building a rail station on a 100-acre parcel of land on the suburb’s western edge.
 

The city-owned parcel, at the corner of Houchard Road and State Route 161, is adjacent to existing Conrail freight tracks. Those tracks would be upgraded to carry passenger trains if the proposed Midwest Connect rail corridor ends up moving forward. 
 

Dublin issued a Request for Proposals last fall for a “Station Visioning Study and Master Plan” and later hired NBBJ to lead the effort. Feedback is now being sought from Dublin residents and business owners on how the land around the station might be developed and what other transportation connections could be included in the plan.

 

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Exciting. To think that Columbus can finally implement rail to Chicago would be an absolute game changer. 

 

With this new district in Dublin I would absolutely love to see a light rail / dedicated bus transfer / dedicated bike lanes something to connect this development with Bridge Park. 

3 minutes ago, KyleofColumbus said:

 

Exciting. To think that Columbus can finally implement rail to Chicago would be an absolute game changer. 

 

With this new district in Dublin I would absolutely love to see a light rail / dedicated bus transfer / dedicated bike lanes something to connect this development with Bridge Park. 

I feel like a light rail would be the better option anyway. Why would we need a stop in Columbus and Dublin? It seems like it would just add a ton of extra time to the ride. With light rail, Dublin could just connect to downtown and people could get on at Columbus. 
 

Am I overthinking this, and are two stops that close needed? 

3 minutes ago, VintageLife said:

I feel like a light rail would be the better option anyway. Why would we need a stop in Columbus and Dublin? It seems like it would just add a ton of extra time to the ride. With light rail, Dublin could just connect to downtown and people could get on at Columbus. 
 

Am I overthinking this, and are two stops that close needed? 

If it is true high speed rail that has a separate graded path then 100% only have it be from Columbus to Chicago. 

 

If it's a slow moving Amtrak with multiple stops and at grade crossings I don't see why we wouldn't have a stop in Dublin. It's approximately 20 miles from Hilton Downtown to this proposed stop (if you take 670 to 70 to 270 up to 33.

15 minutes ago, Gnoraa said:

Dublin Planning for Future Passenger Rail Station

 

"The City of Dublin is planning for a future in which Central Ohio is connected to Chicago via passenger rail, hiring a consultant and holding public meetings to discuss building a rail station on a 100-acre parcel of land on the suburb’s western edge.

 

Nicholson described the 3C+D line as the one most likely to move forward first, but the planning process is time-consuming – it could still be four or five years before the start of service. The state has applied for $500,000 in funding from the Federal Railroad Administration to study the corridor, and is still waiting to hear back on the status of the application.

 

The city of Fort Wayne, Indiana and the Mid-Ohio Regional Planning Commission (MORPC) applied for $500,000 to study the Chicago-to-Columbus corridor that Dublin hopes to be a part of. That line would include stops in Marysville and Lima and extend east to Pittsburgh."

It’s strange to me that 3 of the 4 proposals start with “open space” adjacent to the station. That’s right where the housing and offices should start, with “open space” / flex use and the parts of the property further away. Anyway, I’m very glad to see it’s being discussed and pursued. 

 

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For reference, this graphic includes the proposed route of the “Midwest Connect”:

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When is the last time I-71 turned a profit?

Also good for a Commuter Rail station.

 

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1 hour ago, VintageLife said:

I feel like a light rail would be the better option anyway. Why would we need a stop in Columbus and Dublin? It seems like it would just add a ton of extra time to the ride. With light rail, Dublin could just connect to downtown and people could get on at Columbus. 
 

Am I overthinking this, and are two stops that close needed? 

Any community pushing for this is a positive right now I think. If Dublin is out there yelling "give us public transit", that's better than literally any other local municipality or Columbus itself. It's really good to see any community public taking a stance on it though, that's the biggest news here imo.

17 minutes ago, TIm said:

Any community pushing for this is a positive right now I think. If Dublin is out there yelling "give us public transit", that's better than literally any other local municipality or Columbus itself. It's really good to see any community public taking a stance on it though, that's the biggest news here imo.

I do agree with that aspect. I just wish they would push that hard for commuter rail hahah 

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56 minutes ago, VintageLife said:

I do agree with that aspect. I just wish they would push that hard for commuter rail hahah 

Baby steps!

COhatch to Open Entrepreneurial Village in Dublin

 

Many local entrepreneurs and small business owners know the COhatch brand well, as the company has a dozen open and under-construction coworking spaces peppered across Central Ohio. And now that concept is expanding into something much bigger: Riverview Village. 

 

The project will be a mixed-use, walkable development sitting on a 2.85-acre site directly behind the company’s Dublin location, 25 North St., —northeast of the intersection of North Blacksmith Lane and East Bridge Street.

 

More below:

https://columbusunderground.com/cohatch-to-open-entrepreneurial-village-in-dublin-ca1/

 

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  • 2 weeks later...

 

Snatched a few quick ones of Mt Carmel Dublin on my way through yesterday evening

 

From Sawmill Rd

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3 hours ago, VintageLife said:

Hopefully they add some apartments to it

The company apparently is notorious for buying dying malls and writing them off as losses for taxes. So, doubt it. If they did they certainly wouldn't be anything of quality either.

23 minutes ago, columbus17 said:

The company apparently is notorious for buying dying malls and writing them off as losses for taxes. So, doubt it. If they did they certainly wouldn't be anything of quality either.

I mean that makes more sense haha, I didn’t have much hope that it would be anything more than just another transfer of ownership 

Per that article:

 

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That includes 36 properties in Ohio, ranging from Lancaster’s River Valley Mall and the Ohio Station Outlets in Burbank to numerous Dollar General sites.

 

*GASPS*

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Casto wants to build a mixed-use development on a 114-acre site in Dublin.

 

The Columbus developer, one of Central Ohio's largest private companies, submitted plans to the Dublin Planning & Zoning Commission for a project it is calling Avery Crossing. If approved, the proposed development would be located at the intersection of Avery and Rings roads near the Columbus border on Dublin's southwest side.

 

A site plan Casto submitted to the city shows multiple residential developments as well as mixed-use commercial space. There would be 458 apartment units in three separate four-story buildings, two townhome developments with 12 to 15 units per acre and three areas for 8,000-square-foot manor homes. The mixed-use buildings would measure between 10,000 square feet and 15,000 square feet per acre in two locations on the east side of the property. A neighborhood center is plotted between the mixed-use commercial buildings, and a community center is in the center of the development.

I had several re-takes looking at that map.  I thought they were creating a fancy mobile home park!

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3 minutes ago, ColDayMan said:

I had several re-takes looking at that map.  I thought they were creating a fancy mobile home park!

Well, this is an existing mobile home park...

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23 minutes ago, Pablo said:

Well, this is an existing mobile home park...

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Are those tiny homes on the left?

58 minutes ago, columbus17 said:

Are those tiny homes on the left?

They look about the same size as the trailers but who knows. Could be a crappy rendering 

On 6/23/2023 at 12:48 PM, VintageLife said:

Wasn’t sure if this belonged here, but it is labeled Dublin so move it, if necessary. 
 

Champion Cos. announces construction start date for River Park of Dublin, releases new renderings of 203-unit apartment complex

 

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“River Park will be a first-class apartment community and exciting addition to the northwest corridor of Columbus, with unrivaled finishes and amenities,” Champion Cos. CEO Brian Yeager said in a press release. 

Champions Cos. is partnering with Rockford Construction to build the apartment complex. The companies also teamed up on The District at Berkshire, a 300-unit apartment community next to Tanger Outlets in Sunbury. 

“Rockford Construction is excited to partner with The Champion Companies on another quality apartment community development," Rockford President and CEO Bob Yoakam said in the release. "Champion’s gift for management, combined with Rockford’s construction expertise, will surely make River Park one of the premier apartment communities in the area.” 

The project is expected to begin the first week of July and will take around two years to complete.

 

Vertical construction has started at River Park of Dublin where the Premier at Sawmill Athletic Club used to stand

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Also snatched a quick one of the first elevator core rising on site as I drove by

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5 hours ago, Pablo said:

Well, this is an existing mobile home park...

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It sounds like that mobile home park is staying.  That's interesting

19 minutes ago, TH3BUDDHA said:

It sounds like that mobile home park is staying.  That's interesting

Looks like it’s for seniors also, so I’m curious what their reactions will be. In a way, their life could be easier if the right stuff goes into the mixed use buildings. They also added some decent looking trails that lead to the mixed use instead of cutting everything off and requiring a car. 

6 hours ago, Pablo said:

Well, this is an existing mobile home park...

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Yeah, I knew that one.  I meant to clarify to the west of that looks like more mobile homes.

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