June 21, 200618 yr I didn't have time to hand-render a brushed steel pattern. Boy, tough crowd today! :wink: *EDIT* Just to compare - look at some of the stuff that's out there now: clevelandskyscrapers.com Cleveland Skyscrapers on Instagram
June 21, 200618 yr wow is that really the pinnacle logo? that just looks like generic wedding font... it should have the same feel as their building's unique look... and what is that vine thing?? MS Office clip art?? haha there, now it just looks like im in a critical mood in general today
June 21, 200618 yr No doubt! Who slipped big-ass doses of piss-and-moan into all of your coffees this morning?? :evil: "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
June 21, 200618 yr I kinda like D28... It reminds me of music, because that's also the name of a model of Martin guitar...
June 26, 200618 yr Hello, I am the president of TEG Properties, the developer for the Detroit-Superior Lofts project. I just found out about this site and was pleasantly surprised by all the commentary. This project is going forward relatively swiftly, and I will try to comment on progress as it goes. I should have floor plans finished this week and welcome comment on everything from size of units to design to even names. I hope to be able to post some plans on this site, but if I can't figure that out websites will be up soon and I will let everyone know where to get pics.
June 26, 200618 yr Tom, welcome to the forum! Please - by all means keep us updated on the progress. I really think the area has so much potential and your project will help fill a prominent spot on Detroit. Let us know if you need any help posting photos. By the way - I don't suppose that buying out (or shutting down) Linda's Superette is part of the plan? :-) clevelandskyscrapers.com Cleveland Skyscrapers on Instagram
June 26, 200618 yr Welcome, Tom! It is always great to hear from the people who are making things happen around town. This looks like a quality project, and a great addition to the neighborhood.
June 26, 200618 yr Tom, how expansive do you see this development being? Is it just this one phase or do you plan on continuously expanding up W28th and Detroit? The area north of Lutheran and east of W28th feels severely disjointed from the activity going on in the rest of Ohio City, and it would be interesting to see how the CMHA plan and this come together to fill the gap. There are an awful lot of surface parking lots that can be built up, so hopefully demand is high.
July 1, 200618 yr Homes for gay elderly planned in Ohio City Saturday, July 01, 2006 Michael O'Malley Plain Dealer Reporter The location of a proposed housing project catering to gay people has been moved from a downtown Cleveland site to the Ohio City neighborhood. A Place for Us Development Inc., a nonprofit group focusing on the needs of elderly gay, lesbian, bisexual and transgender people, had planned to build a $30 million, 250-unit condominium complex in the downtown Warehouse District. Because of financing problems, the project was recently downsized and moved to less-expensive property, said Linda Krasienko, president of the group. Read More...
July 6, 200618 yr Mr. Plata needs some help with his article titles. Otherwise, I didn't know that they had already started renovating a building?? Anyone know anything else about this? Place developed for gay persons Thursday, July 06, 2006 By David Plata West Side Sun News The penthouse suites on the fifth floor will have spectacular views of the city and the lakefront. You'll have the lake views and downtown, said Thomas Gillespie, president of TEG Properties and co-developer with A Place for Us Development of a 57-unit, $15 million apartment and condominium project for aging gay, lesbian and transsexual people at West 28th Street and Detroit Avenue. The project at first was envisioned as a $30 million undertaking in the Warehouse District, but was reconfigured as a smaller and less expensive undertaking at the new site. Read More...
July 6, 200618 yr Reporters usually don't write headlines. Editors do. The question is, how do you describe what the story is about within one line (maybe two if there is enough room on the dummies) of text without leaving more than one or two blank spaces at the end of each line. Those are the design parameters of headlines that editors are required to follow. If not, they get bitchslapped by the people who pay their salary (actually, they get strongly worded memos). The dummies (layout mock-ups) that editors get from the production department have the banners, ads, side columns for what's inside, etc. already on the pages. The articles just fill in the spaces between them. It's like putting together a puzzle with too many pieces, many of which are oversized and have to be trimmed. And each of our 26 newspapers has to be dummied by one of our 10 editors and/or assistant editors in less than an hour's time. On top of that, they have to write strictly spaced headlines for most of the hundreds of articles, news briefs and shorts submitted by us writers. Anyone want to take a guess as to why I have no desire to be an editor! "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
July 6, 200618 yr "gay persons" If I am ever referred to as a "gay person", someone's gonna get b!tchslapped. I mean - we're supposed to have a bit of mystique and it ain't gonna happen with people calling us "gay persons". Is it so hard to just say "gay community" and clarify it in the article (if need be)? clevelandskyscrapers.com Cleveland Skyscrapers on Instagram
July 6, 200618 yr "gay persons" If I am ever referred to as a "gay person", someone's gonna get b!tchslapped. I mean - we're supposed to have a bit of mystique and it ain't gonna happen with people calling us "gay persons". Is it so hard to just say "gay community" and clarify it in the article (if need be)? If there's room. See my expanded explanation above. "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
July 6, 200618 yr ^I know, I know - I was being facetious (well, the phrase "gay persons" is still kind meh, but ah well) :-) My first four years in the design industry were spent with newspapers (Daily Kent Stater and Record Publishing), and I paid my dues helping editors keyline, layout, you name it. Thus, I don't envy editors one bit - and I don't have any inclination to work in newspapers ever again. clevelandskyscrapers.com Cleveland Skyscrapers on Instagram
July 6, 200618 yr Wimwar, There is an old building fronting on Detroit next to the site that is being renovated; apartments above and retail on the ground floor I think. It's kind of a drab brown brick, but cool nonetheless.
July 6, 200618 yr ^I go by there everyday. How is it possible that I, a planning geek, did not notice a renovation? Anyone know a good eye doctor?
July 6, 200618 yr If it's the one I'm thinking of (at 26th), I've seen some indications of work on the upper floors but I must agree it doesn't look anything near ready for occupancy.
July 7, 200618 yr I noticed work on the north side of Detroit in the building next to Linda's Superette, but nothing in the larger building on the south side of the street next to the soon-to-be construction site. I, too, am a planning nerd who passes by there almost daily and I hadn't noticed a thing! (Maybe it's because I'm always too preoccupied with keeping my bike's tires out of piles of broken glass on the street...) I'm also excited to see what kind of retail tenants they can bring into the new building. This could be the first big new construction project on Detroit that starts to bridge the gap between W. 25th and Gordon Square!
August 26, 200618 yr Well, Ohiocity.com has recognized this development: http://www.ohiocity.com/index.cgi?id=131&l=3&p=5723
August 29, 200618 yr From the above site: New Development Proposed for West 28th and Detroit A Place For Us Development Inc., a non-profit business, has joined with TEG (Thomas E. Gillespie) Properties Inc. to pursue a new housing development, Detroit-Superior Properties Lofts at the corner of W. 28th Street and Detroit Avenue. Phase I of the plan, which includes eight rental apartments and retail, is underway by TEG Properties. Phase II allows for 57 residential market rate for-sale condominiums and a projected 1.5 parking spaces per resident (subject to change by project design or market conditions). The project’s design is by Lowenstein and Durante Architects. Presales of the Phase II units is expected to begin in summer 2006, with construction planned to commence in November. [i won't hold my breath!] The project is being touted by the developer as a "first-of-its-kind urban facility to serve both as a multigenerational home for gay, lesbian, bisexual, transgender and those supportive persons of such diversity."
September 3, 200618 yr Here's a bit of news about this project from Linda Krasienko, head of A Place for Us: A Place For Us Development, Inc. is awaiting the final detailed completed renderings from our architect, Dominic Durante. Also, we are finalizing the agreement with our project manager, Tom G. Gillespie. It is our hope to have this signed and completed within 4-6 weeks. We are waiting for our previous domain to be transferred to our present webmaster, Rick DeVan. It is our goal to have our new website and online survey posted by the middle of September. On September 21st at 2 p.m., members of the Cleveland Foundation will be meeting myself, Tom Gillespie, Tom Mignogna, Cleveland City housing director and Joe Mazzola, Executive Director of Ohio City Near West Corporation on the property site. On behalf of all the board members of A Place For Us Development, Inc. (George Engle, Patrick Nicolino, Rex Crider, Karen Bird Mellon, Karen B. Williams, Kimberly Whitney, Kevin Kubocvik and Kevin Kukoleck, who is one of the founding members and lives in Chicago), I thank you for your expressed interest and support.
September 4, 200618 yr What is the purpose of the Sept. 21st meet? I'm glad to hear that things are moving along. Everything still seems very preliminary.
September 27, 200618 yr Wim, that seems like an accurate assessment. Just heard from the project leader again and the estimated groundbreaking has been moved to March 2007 (not a big surprise). They are trying to find a new builder and are still waiting to hear what level of support they'll be getting from the Cleveland Foundation. They also need to make 20 presales before construction can begin. Without having begun marketing yet, it's hard to imagine they'll be ready even by March. But maybe -- this is a very specialized niche and this group (A Place for Us) has been meeting for a long time now. Perhaps they already have a group of buyers organized.
October 18, 200618 yr I've been noticing each morning that contractor-looking people are going in and out of the building. I don't see any permit posted, but the guys are definitely hauling in materials. And, I'd really like to steal that Sohio sign that they have in the front window.
October 18, 200618 yr I've been noticing each morning that contractor-looking people are going in and out of the building. I don't see any permit posted, but the guys are definitely hauling in materials. And, I'd really like to steal that Sohio sign that they have in the front window. A SOHIO sign??? where???? the Blue/White "original" sign??
October 18, 200618 yr yep. You can see it resting against a wall in the storefront at W.26th and Detroit.
October 18, 200618 yr yep. You can see it resting against a wall in the storefront at W.26th and Detroit. DAMN! I would love to get my hands on one of those for my collection! I have a gas pump, SOHIO, Boron, Chevron, Standard Oil of Kentucky; Indiana; Esso signs and some other miscellaneous items...boy those bastards at BP really fucked up!
October 19, 200618 yr There's still plenty of Sohio's around. It's their marine fuel division. They have a boat gas station along the river below the Red Line and another at the Edgewater Park marina that's visible from the Shoreway. "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
October 19, 200618 yr There's still plenty of Sohio's around. It's their marine fuel division. They have a boat gas station along the river below the Red Line and another at the Edgewater Park marina that's visible from the Shoreway. Those aren't really SOHIO's they are DODO's - God, I can still remember acronyms - buying gas from anyone but they had a title and right to sell gas as a "SOHIO". Without getting technical, its sort of a dba type thing. SOHIO's "marine" division was based in Houston. Or are you saying there are plenty of gas stations with "SOHIO" paraphernalia still in existence?
October 19, 200618 yr Why would they open a marine fuel station in the Detroit-Superior Lofts development?
October 19, 200618 yr Or are you saying there are plenty of gas stations with "SOHIO" paraphernalia still in existence? Nah. Just the waterside fuel pumps with the Sohio sign above. It hasn't been that long since the greening of Sohio, but seeing those waterside signs/pumps takes me back much farther.... "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
October 19, 200618 yr Or are you saying there are plenty of gas stations with "SOHIO" paraphernalia still in existence? Nah. Just the waterside fuel pumps with the Sohio sign above. It hasn't been that long since the greening of Sohio, but seeing those waterside signs/pumps takes me back much farther.... Its been almost 20 years since those bastard limies took over!
October 19, 200618 yr I'm pretty sure it was the early 90s. "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
October 19, 200618 yr I'm pretty sure it was the early 90s. You're right. started in late '87/early '88...I think all the approvals were done by 90...I just hate that Oil Company. My first boss went to Chicago and one of my good friends who started at SOHIO the same time I did, is still with that Oil Company in the NY office...and I can't even go in the building.
December 12, 200618 yr They are now (i believe) also working on a facade on the Detroit Ave side. They have constructed some sort of wooden shelter around one of storefront windows. They had also done this on the W. 26th side.
January 31, 200718 yr Here's an update: Rentals for the Painters Union Building will soon be on the market ($600-$800). They want to put some sort of wellness center on the first floor. They want to break ground this summer on the new construction portion of the project and finish in 2008. (how likely is the break ground date?? I don't know)
April 20, 200718 yr I received this rather cryptic e-mail today. Bummer. =========== This is to inform you that at our April board meeting, the board members of A Place For Us Development, Inc. voted not to continue our pusuits of developing the glbt planned community with Tom Gillespie/TEG properties.@ West 28th and Detroit Ave., in OHIO City. We we will be working with another person pursuing apt/condo(for 55 and older) on the shores of Lake Erie and another building to rehab. If you should have any further questions, I will be happy to answer any of them. Linda Krasienko, Ex. Director A Place For Us Development, Inc. 440-227-8556
April 21, 200718 yr That stinks. "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
April 21, 200718 yr oh wow that a blow. I just saw a large building for sale on lower detroit (maybe the 30's?) facing the lake. I wonder if this was the building or if not, is it an option
April 21, 200718 yr It looked like they were well into the rehab of the original building already. I wonder what happened.
April 21, 200718 yr oh wow that a blow. I just saw a large building for sale on lower detroit (maybe the 30's?) facing the lake. I wonder if this was the building or if not, is it an option I'm pretty sure that you are talking about One Charter Place. Its a 55-unit condo that's supposed to break ground this summer (depending upon the financing).
April 21, 200718 yr It looked like they were well into the rehab of the original building already. I wonder what happened. I've heard for a while that the A Place for Us group were not the most business savy. I know that the developer (TEG) owns the Painters Union building and the huge corner surface lot. I wouldn't be surprised if TEG goes forward with the project yet with a different theme.
June 16, 200717 yr Complex catering to gay elderly hits snag Saturday, June 16, 2007 Henry J. Gomez Plain Dealer Reporter Plans to build a Cleveland-area housing community that would cater to the gay elderly have hit another snag. To reach this Plain Dealer reporter: The Plain Dealer [email protected], 216-999-5405
June 19, 200717 yr Or you can take the positive approach: From Crain's: Proposed Ohio City condo project grows By STAN BULLARD 1:04 pm, June 15, 2007 The proposed, 50-suite Detroit-Superior Lofts project in Ohio City has gained three more floors to become a seven-story condominium tower as part of a dramatic redesign. Tom Gillespie, president of developer TEG Properties of Cleveland, said the new, more efficient design would give the building more lakefront views. The plan also would allow for a green roof serving as a rooftop garden atop an adjoining parking garage. The project is proposed for the southwest corner of Detroit Avenue and West 28th Street. It’s the second mid-rise condominium tower proposed for that stretch of Detroit in Ohio City. Read More...
June 19, 200717 yr Thought you all might appreciate a little larger image, courtesy of the fine folks at PURE. This will also run in the West Side Sun News on Thursday.... "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
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