But about the question if Hispanics are key to Ohio's growth, I think people in general moving to Ohio is key to growth, I don't care what race or ethnicity [ I am Asian Indian].  The officials down in Columbus need to understand this & figure out a way to get the crowds moving here rather than the rest of America.

 

:clap: i could not agree more!

I would like to send out an invitation to all hispanic individuals to come to Hamilton County and the City of Cincinnati!  I'll speak for everyone and say that we would love/appreciate your presence.

 

Tough talk alarms Hispanics

By Dan Sewell

Associated Press

 

PHOTO: A billboard showing a message from Butler County Sheriff Richard Jones, at top, warning against hiring illegal aliens has been erected in Middletown. Jose Bravo, above, owner of La Raza grocery store in Middletown, shows products sold at his store targeted towards people who speak Spanish. DAVID KOHL/ Associated Press

 

MIDDLETOWN -- At his Tienda La Raza grocery store and restaurant, Jose Bravo sells Spanish-language DVDs and Mexico soccer jerseys, chorizo sausage and chopped cactus. Lately, there has been another hot seller: one-way bus tickets out of here.

 

"People who had been in the United States for a while, who were planning to stay, now they feel scared," Bravo said.

 

http://news.cincypost.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060801/NEWS01/608010369

I would love a mexican restaurant nearby in Clifton or Northside like Acapulco's in Pleasant Run.

That diversity index is interesting. Cleveland finished only behind Chicago in the Midwest. You think city leaders would play that up a bit. While there are plenty Puerto Ricans and Dominicans on Clark Ave., our diversity is a bit beyond that. Try taking a cab from Hopkins. Twenty years ago...all American whiteys...now it's folks from everywhere. Had some Russian guy a few years ago tell me he had to charge me more to Parma because the 'snow was screwing up the meter'. Riiiight. It couldn't be that you can spit from Hopkins to Parma.

Hispanic population explodes

By Stephenie Steitzer and Kevin Eigelbach

Post staff reporters

08-05-2006

 

Census figures released Friday show a rapid acceleration in the region's Hispanic population, with most counties seeing double-digit percentage increases since 2000.

 

The Hispanic population grew by 43 percent in the three Northern Kentucky counties from 2000 to 2005, according to the U.S. Census Bureau estimates.

 

http://news.cincypost.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060805/NEWS02/608050324

There's no "magic minority" that will be key to any state's growth.  The Hispanic population has historically placed a social and economic strain on the resources of areas where they tend to migrate--mostly due to their illegal immigration status.  What I have noted here in Columbus is this seemingly over-abundance of social services programs.  Down South, while there are social services programs, they are few and far between.  It is every man for himself.  You either do what it takes to make it or you suffer the consequences.  Yet here, I have observed some people to be the absolute laziest, do-nothing, entitlement whoremongers.  On top of that, with all of the social services and free programs available, these same people walk around spouting off what they propose will make Ohio better ("if Ohio had this...if Ohio had that...").  WTF?  The future of Ohio rests on the laurels of attracting people who will shun the entitlement mentality and turn their education, gifts, and talents into profitable enterprises. 

^I agree with the part about folks who shun the entitlement mentality - but I suspect that most immigrants - in fact, most any group of people are exactly that.  Maybe I'm too much Rousseau and too little Hobbes, but I suspect the folks one sees are the ones milking the system - the folks one doesn't see are the ones supporting it.  Questions announce themselves, but answers bury themselves - it's the same thing with problems and solutions.

 

I'd take a massive influx of Hispanics, or Asians, or Africans, or any group, any day.  Folks with the initiative to get here are predisposed to be exactly the kind of folks you're talking about...

 

There's no "magic minority" that will be key to any state's growth.  The Hispanic population has historically placed a social and economic strain on the resources of areas where they tend to migrate--mostly due to their illegal immigration status.  What I have noted here in Columbus is this seemingly over-abundance of social services programs.  Down South, while there are social services programs, they are few and far between.  It is every man for himself.  You either do what it takes to make it or you suffer the consequences.  Yet here, I have observed some people to be the absolute laziest, do-nothing, entitlement whoremongers.  On top of that, with all of the social services and free programs available, these same people walk around spouting off what they propose will make Ohio better ("if Ohio had this...if Ohio had that...").  WTF?  The future of Ohio rests on the laurels of attracting people who will shun the entitlement mentality and turn their education, gifts, and talents into profitable enterprises. 

 

i could not agree more with your first sentence cg, ohio needs to encourage diversity in foreign immigration in a bad way. ohio is losing people so bring it on!

 

however, i could not disagree more with the rest. being a new thing for columbus, you are obviously quite unaware of the history of hispanic immigrants in ohio, but that's ok so are most people. i'll just say ohio's "historic" hispanic immigrants are quite the opposite of what you say.

 

"the absolute laziest, do-nothing, entitlement whoremongers"? hmm. fact is most people want to and do work. new immigrants in particular. most that appear able bodied at a glance but do not work much often have drug and mental health issues.

 

social services? they are mostly private, donations or voted upon (and thus agreed upon) local taxes.

 

so i hate to be harsh, but light of all that & in summary: come november -- after you vote 'no' for some local social services issue or school levy on the ballot, pull that 'yes' lever for blackwell, feel good about yourself for voting for a conservative black man, finish up your duty and walk right by the custodial staff, head off to sit down in your corner restaurant -- where guess who is squeaking by making your salad, doing the dishes or hey is maybe an owner -- well i just i hope you realize what you have done.

 

 

 

mrnyc,

 

Nice of you to assume that I will be voting for Blackwell.  Did you make that assumption simply because I am a Black female?  I guess you have Blacks all figured out: we are not savvy voters...we blindly vote the Democratic and/or Black slate.  Hmmm???

 

Also, I was not merely pointing out Hispanics.  Everyone wants to blindly give Hispanics (and other immigrants) this "hard-working medal of honor."  I have worked with many families from all different cultural backgrounds and have noted laziness, slothfulness, and entitlement mentalities in various ethnic and cultural groups.  This reminds me of the time Eva Longoria was on Oprah and talked about how she appreciates the unity and work ethic of Blacks over Hispanics.  Her reasoning was that Hispanics are not unified and not as hard-working as Blacks.  As a Black woman, I was shocked by her assessment because I have always thought that Blacks were the most disjointed group on the planet.  The "lazy Negro" stereotype is rooted and grounded in slavery so I never paid that much any mind.  Illegal immigrants have put themselves at a disadvantage in America's free-market, capitalist system based solely on their immigration status. 

 

I still stand by my sentiment: Columbus is flush with social services programs.  Why do people feel they need so much damned support just to become a fully functioning member of society?  Non-profit here...non-profit there...here a non-profit...there a non-prifit...everywhere a damned non-profit! 

I still stand by my sentiment: Columbus is flush with social services programs.  Why do people feel they need so much damned support just to become a fully functioning member of society?

 

To say that there are social services around is one thing....to say that they are effective and useful is another.  The social programs across the United States (not just Cbus) are a joke!  They are weak and often times contradict the true reasons behind social programs to begin with (ie. you get more welfare if you are a single parent than if you have a spouse...why not equal, this discourages 2 parent households).

 

Non-profit here...non-profit there...here a non-profit...there a non-prifit...everywhere a damned non-profit!

 

I'm not real sure what your point is here...just because you are a non-profit does not mean that you are a social service organization...it just means that you dont collect profits, instead you put that money back into your business/programs.

I was referring to the non-profits that are social services based.  It does not matter the purpose.  The question remains: Why do people feel they need so much damned support just to become a fully functioning member of society?

 

Also, only 90% of the profits are required to go back into the business/program.  The other 10% goes into a reserve fund (or something similar).   

mrnyc,

 

Nice of you to assume that I will be voting for Blackwell.  Did you make that assumption simply because I am a Black female?  I guess you have Blacks all figured out: we are not savvy voters...we blindly vote the Democratic and/or Black slate.  Hmmm???

 

Nice of you to illustrate exactly what you're condemning.  Where on earth do you derive racism from?  Dude read a post from someone decrying the lazy minorities, and assumed you were an uber-conservative...I don't think anything could be more clear.  And yet you turned it into something racial, because, why?  Because people who criticize you must be racist?  Or some other reason?  I honestly don't understand how your illogic flowed, but I can tell you that your race had nothing to do with his statement, as I read it.

 

I have worked with many families from all different cultural backgrounds and have noted laziness, slothfulness, and entitlement mentalities in various ethnic and cultural groups.

 

As have I.  However, I've also noticed a remarkable lack of sloth and entitlement mentality in many of these people.  Because - shock of shocks - immigrants are people too!  In which one finds - shock of shocks - the full spectrum of personality traits we real people have!  Amazing, but true!

 

And, on balance, I can say that I've met far, far, far more lazy natural-born citizens than I've met lazy immigrants.  Like, I'm trying to think of a lazy, entitlement-minded immigrant I've known, and I can't come up with one...

 

mrnyc,

 

Nice of you to assume that I will be voting for Blackwell.  Did you make that assumption simply because I am a Black female?  I guess you have Blacks all figured out: we are not savvy voters...we blindly vote the Democratic and/or Black slate.  Hmmm???

 

Also, I was not merely pointing out Hispanics.  Everyone wants to blindly give Hispanics (and other immigrants) this "hard-working medal of honor."  I have worked with many families from all different cultural backgrounds and have noted laziness, slothfulness, and entitlement mentalities in various ethnic and cultural groups.  This reminds me of the time Eva Longoria was on Oprah and talked about how she appreciates the unity and work ethic of Blacks over Hispanics.  Her reasoning was that Hispanics are not unified and not as hard-working as Blacks.  As a Black woman, I was shocked by her assessment because I have always thought that Blacks were the most disjointed group on the planet.  The "lazy Negro" stereotype is rooted and grounded in slavery so I never paid that much any mind.  Illegal immigrants have put themselves at a disadvantage in America's free-market, capitalist system based solely on their immigration status. 

 

I still stand by my sentiment: Columbus is flush with social services programs.  Why do people feel they need so much damned support just to become a fully functioning member of society?  Non-profit here...non-profit there...here a non-profit...there a non-prifit...everywhere a damned non-profit! 

 

ah boy. cg how on earth would i know your race or anyones on here, and why would i care? if anything i assumed you were white, so there we both made serious assumptions - lol! really i was just countering the incorrect, harsh & general conservative tone of your screed up there w/ one of my own. i mean really cg, you might want to learn more about hispanics and other different cultural group's history in ohio instead of getting hyped up by eva longorias.  otoh, yes i do realize you are letting out steam about a big gripe though -- and i do appeciate it.

 

i guess i am most confused and taken aback by your derision of all social service organizations, that to have less of them, like you say they do in the south, is somehow better. i'd say quite the opposite. it's a generosity and i'd say higher moral level for ohioans who must try to take care of their own mentally ill & etc. better. i guess ohioans must vote for more mh levies & donate more to charities? now do all these organizations do their job well? oh hell no, but thats another story & ohio has a better start in the charity department than the nothing much they have in the south or elsewhere. sorry to hear you do not support those efforts.

 

speaking of big jokes, heres another & a gripe of my own: let's don't forget the marriage tax penalty. that is, it costs you more money to be married on your federal taxes than to be single --- so that means uncle sam directly promotes couples living together over marriage. that's dum.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I don't know about the other Cs, but here in Columbus I think that since immigrants are used to urban living that they would help a great deal in boosting our urban population. Unfortunately, they've been kept out by the high prices and so we have large immigrant communities out in the boonies like the (far) west side (Mexican) and the northeast side (Somali). As for the affordable neighborhoods near downtown like Franklinton or OTE, I'm not sure why immigrants haven't moved in and help turn those places around. At the very least, I've recently seen NoBo (http://www.northofbroad.com/) regularly advertised on Telemundo, so someone is finally wooing the Hispanic population to the urban neighborhoods.

The question remains: Why do people feel they need so much damned support just to become a fully functioning member of society?

 

It is a simple question without a simple answer that I would rather not get into now.  I would compare this question to: Why dont these people just get jobs?.....Why dont you support America?  Why do you agree with killing babies?

 

Many of these question's answers aren't as cut and dry as one might like them to be.  This does not mean that the person is wrong its just that their solution to the situation is a more complex one than the alternative (good or bad).  ie. stop giving aid/social services to people...or delve a little further into the reasons behind this cycle of poverty.

After re-assessing my postings, I had no idea how ultra-conservative my viewpoints actually were.  I have always considered myself a far-left, ultra-liberal Democrat.  I guess there's something about your 30's that makes one latch on to cynicism.

 

I'll concede that I impulsively (and irresponsibly) tossed around the race card for no other reason than misinterpretation of another forumer's point.  At the same time, I stand by my convictions and beliefs.  I have a deeply held belief that we all have the power to change our situations and circumstances if we so choose.  That power is intertwined with personal and social responsibilities.  IMHO, social service programs, while good in theory, cripple a person's ability to become self-sufficient.  The Bible states,  "He who does not work shall not eat."  It also states that, "The poor will always be among you."  True, we have a responsibility to the poor.  Yet, to the degree that you have an endless array of non-profit and social services programs/agencies is absolutely absurd.  Therefore, where some may see charity I see social hindrance. 

I have a deeply held belief that we all have the power to change our situations and circumstances if we so choose.  That power is intertwined with personal and social responsibilities.

 

I'm with you there.

 

IMHO, social service programs, while good in theory, cripple a person's ability to become self-sufficient.

 

For some people, that's very true.  But I've known lots of folks who spent some time on public assistance, and then got off of it.  It was a godsend, it kept kids (my friends) fed while the rent was scraped together, and new jobs were found.  I wouldn't be at all surprised to find a decent number of our fellow forumers and their families spent some time on public assistance in some form, and yet, they weren't crippled, and they are self-sufficient today.

 

That's not to say there aren't those who abuse the system, or those whose initiative end up eroded by it.  That's the impetus behind the 90's welfare reform - whatever one thinks of those policies in particular, I think what you described is a widely shared belief - a lifestyle of dependency is corrosive in a host of ways.

 

However, it's all a question of balance.  Condemning all social programs seems to me to be way over the board reactionary.

 

And regardless, I still don't see any reason to believe that immigrants in particular are a vast sea of wastrels.  That doesn't jibe with my experience, or with anything I've seen, except the assertions of anti-immigrant folks.  I've heard Laura Ingram and Sean Hannity decry the social-program-teet-sucking of Mexican illegals, but I've never seen anything to back that up.

 

I will note one disturbing trend among some young Somali males is to act gangsta because that's how they think they will fit into American culture. That's certainly not going to make things better for them or the pre-existing black community when it comes to being a productive member of society.

IMHO, social service programs, while good in theory, cripple a person's ability to become self-sufficient.  The Bible states,  "He who does not work shall not eat."  It also states that, "The poor will always be among you."  True, we have a responsibility to the poor.  Yet, to the degree that you have an endless array of non-profit and social services programs/agencies is absolutely absurd.  Therefore, where some may see charity I see social hindrance. 

 

I would agree with the notion that many of the programs in the United States do criple someones ability to become self-sufficient.  This has been the result of politics gone wrong.  Politicians had to implement some form of social services without going to a point of being considered Communists.  As a result, we have the half-assed social programs in America today.

 

When done correctly and to their true intent, social services/programs will actually help improve the lives of ALL people.  The upper-class will not be the crutch for the lower-class, and the lower-class will actually be able to live self-sustaining lives.  Very few people want to dependent on the government for the day-to-day functionings; however, like you stated...there will always be those on the bottom, and those on the top.

 

IMO, I dont want everyone to have the same social/economic standing, but I do want everyone to have the opportunities at life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.  Being the richest/most powerful nation in the world...it is unacceptable to have people going hungry, living homeless, without clothes, and without sufficient health care.  It is the responsibility of those who have to look out for those who do not.....not for a lifetime but for the meantime.

IMO, I dont want everyone to have the same social/economic standing, but I do want everyone to have the opportunities at life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.  Being the richest/most powerful nation in the world...it is unacceptable to have people going hungry, living homeless, without clothes, and without sufficient health care.  It is the responsibility of those who have to look out for those who do not.....not for a lifetime but for the meantime.

 

Amen.  And my contention is that, for the most part, that's exactly what generally happens.  The system isn't perfect, by any means, but from the folks I know, they've spent a little time on public assistance during a rough spot, then gotten back on their feet again.  My wife spent the first few months of her life being fed by government dollars - her mom was estranged from her family, a brand new single mother, all on her own, and public assistance (don't know if it was AFDC or some precursor) bought their groceries and helped pay rent.  And I'm forever grateful for it.

 

And neither her nor her mom are crippled by indolence.  Aargh...the more I write about this, the more pissed off I'm getting.  They aren't slothful money leechers, they aren't criminals - they're frickin' humans, down on their luck, who were kept off the goddamn street by public assistance.  Is the system perfect?  Obviously not.  Is everyone on the dole a lazy welfare queen?  That's just ignorance masquerading as an argument.

 

 

And I still haven't heard what makes someone think this is an immigrant problem in particular.

 

Non-profit here...non-profit there...here a non-profit...there a non-prifit...everywhere a damned non-profit! 

 

Nonprofits..501c3 charitable organizations...are usually started by volunteers and survive on various types of charitable giving and also some government grants.  Depending on the size they will have some mix of paid staff and volunteer workers, down to the very small ones, which are usually mostly volunteer.

 

Nonprofits are sometimes are under contract to local governments to provide social services of various sorts, but they are not really started by government. 

 

If there are a lot of nonprofits in a community that means there are a lot of people doing volunteer work or seeing a need and forming a charity or service organization to fill it, as well as good donor base of local philanthopy  It's probably a good measure of the soical capital in a community if there are a lot of nonprofits active in various things.

 

 

 

 

Please be sure and "like" Jacqueline Escobar, Painesville's representative in the Miss Ohio Latina contest. Okay, whatever, don't. see if I care :x What I don't get is some of these towns participating. How many Latinos could there be in Dublin??

 

https://www.facebook.com/missohiolatina?fref=photo

 

Please be sure and "like" Jacqueline Escobar, Painesville's representative in the Miss Ohio Latina contest. Okay, whatever, don't. see if I care :x What I don't get is some of these towns participating. How many Latinos could there be in Dublin??

 

https://www.facebook.com/missohiolatina?fref=photo

 

 

Its about the pageants.  You only need to be a resident of said area to compete.  It sucks they dropped the knowledge of Spanish language requirement.