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40 minutes ago, Boomerang_Brian said:

The project, estimated to cost $4.8 billion, calls for a high-speed train to run from Victorville, California, to Las Vegas.

 

 

 

For perspective, Boeing just sold $25 billion in corporate bonds this week. 

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FRA issues final environmental statement for Texas bullet train project
 

https://www.progressiverailroading.com/high_speed_rail/news/FRA-issues-final-environmental-statement-for-Texas-bullet-train-project--60603
 

The Federal Railroad Administration (FRA) late last week released the final environmental impact statement (FEIS) for private company Texas Central's proposal to build a high-speed rail line between Dallas and Houston, bringing the project one major step closer to fruition.

 

Released on May 29, the FEIS is available for public review and comment through June 29, FRA officials said in a statement.

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Brightline in talks with Miami-Dade to run commuter-rail line, report says
 

https://www.progressiverailroading.com/passenger_rail/news/Brightline-in-talks-with-Miami-Dade-to-run-commuter-rail-line-report-says--60560

 

Brightline/Virgin Trains USA is discussions with Miami-Dade County in Florida about building five train platforms between Miami and Aventura and launching a $425 million commuter-rail system, The Miami Herald reported Wednesday.

 

The proposed deal was revealed Tuesday, the newspaper reported. Under the arrangement, Miami-Dade would pay the company $350 million to construct stations after Brightline spent $75 million building platforms that could be used to launch the commuter service.

 

The commuter line would be separate from the express trains Brightline plans to launch in 2022. The company is continuing to pursue those plans even though it has shut down its rail service completely because of the COVID-19 pandemic.

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RTD-Denver to open N commuter-rail line in September

 

https://www.progressiverailroading.com/passenger_rail/news/RTD-Denver-to-open-N-commuter-rail-line-in-September--60831

 

The Regional Transportation District of Denver (RTD) yesterday announced it will open the N commuter-rail line Sept. 21.   The new 18.5-mile, six-station line will serve downtown Denver, Commerce City, Northglenn and Thornton, and include a stop at the National Western Complex in Denver.

 

Before the COVID-19 pandemic, ridership on the N Line had been forecast at 6,400 to 9,100 passenger boardings per average weekday during the first year, climbing to between 13,400 and 19,100 boardings in 2035. A new ridership forecast has not been released.

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The line will be the first electrified commuter-rail line that RTD will operate. Denver Transit Partners operates RTD’s University of Colorado A, B, G lines.

 

The article also notes that the N line will be the first US transit authority to build in PTC from the ground up on new rail service.

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I just looked at the planned route... It is opening in 2027, going from Merced to Bakersfield, with Fresno being the biggest city on that route.   No one is going to ride this thing until they put the full approved system into use.

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Just like the Interstate highways. The easiest to build sections were built first. You'd get off the two-lane road, get on the interstate for 10-20 miles or so and then get back on the parallel two-lane road again. That's what Amtrak's San Joaquin service is going to do here.

"In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck

6 hours ago, KJP said:

Just like the Interstate highways. The easiest to build sections were built first. You'd get off the two-lane road, get on the interstate for 10-20 miles or so and then get back on the parallel two-lane road again. That's what Amtrak's San Joaquin service is going to do here.

 

This is what the Ohio 3C train would have done -- completed the two-lane road so that high-speed improvements could be made.

Here in Utah, UDOT officials are looking into the feasibility of running regular rail passenger service from SLC to the small town of Moab. Moab is a major tourist destination located smack between Arches and Canyonlands National Park https://moabtimes.com/2019/05/31/udot-eyes-rail-potential/

5 hours ago, JaceTheAce41 said:

Here in Utah, UDOT officials are looking into the feasibility of running regular rail passenger service from SLC to the small town of Moab. Moab is a major tourist destination located smack between Arches and Canyonlands National Park https://moabtimes.com/2019/05/31/udot-eyes-rail-potential/


This would be AWESOME! Moab / Arches National Park / Canyonlands are stunningly beautiful. And SLC is cheap to get to. Imagine a car free vacation to an area like that. 
 

Plus it can help be a model for extending the CVSR to downtown Cleveland, a project that would cost a small fraction of that SLC to Moab Utah concept. 

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5 hours ago, JaceTheAce41 said:

Here in Utah, UDOT officials are looking into the feasibility of running regular rail passenger service from SLC to the small town of Moab. Moab is a major tourist destination located smack between Arches and Canyonlands National Park https://moabtimes.com/2019/05/31/udot-eyes-rail-potential/


Also, Google maps makes it look like there is intact RR track for all but the last 5 miles of the SLC to Moab journey. What a great concept. 

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Are Arches and Canyonlands in any way accessible from Moab without a car? I've never been out there before, but if you still need a car when you get to Moab, I can't expect a rail line like that to be very successful. If you don't need a car once you're in Moab, I could certainly see people taking the train from SLC to Moab for a weekend, or getting off a flight at SLC and immediately getting on a train instead of renting a car. It would be especially successful if you're given a lot of luggage space.

1 minute ago, ryanlammi said:

Are Arches and Canyonlands in any way accessible from Moab without a car? I've never been out there before, but if you still need a car when you get to Moab, I can't expect a rail line like that to be very successful. If you don't need a car once you're in Moab, I could certainly see people taking the train from SLC to Moab for a weekend, or getting off a flight at SLC and immediately getting on a train instead of renting a car. It would be especially successful if you're given a lot of luggage space.


They talk about the “last mile” problem in the article - one of the biggest concerns. Right now, you absolutely need a car. But it wouldn’t take THAT much for a tour company to organize day trips to each of the nearby parks, which would get a boost from the many more car-free visitors.

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They talk about the “last mile” problem in the article - one of the biggest concerns. Right now, you absolutely need a car. But it wouldn’t take THAT much for a tour company to organize day trips to each of the nearby parks, which would get a boost from the many more car-free visitors.

Yeah, I saw the piece at the end, but it was just referencing getting into downtown Moab. So I didn't know if tour buses and stuff were common or not to get to the parks themselves.

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For such a small town, the traffic there is pretty bad. A lot of people bring their bicycles to Moab to ride the many trails into the national parks. It would be pretty easy to bring their bikes on the train or have local circulator buses (also bike equipped). There are national parks throughout the world that rely on a mix of public transit modes. It can be done.

 

I'd extend the rail line into the center of town along the Colorado River and Mill Creek. I'd put the train station right behind the Red Rock Bakery & Cafe. ? 

"In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck

high speed rail from la to vegas via virgin:

 

 

Rail News: High-Speed Rail

Virgin Trains USA enters right-of-way agreement for Las Vegas-LA high-speed rail

 

Virgin Trains USA last week entered into a lease agreement with the California Department of Transportation (Caltrans) to use existing right of way along Interstate 15 in California for the planned high-speed rail line between Las Vegas and Southern California, a local news outlet recently reported.

 

Caltrans officials told the Daily Press that all public comments received before the agreement was signed supported the project.

 

The 170-mile electric rail line will be built within the median of I-15. About 135 miles of the line will be located in California, the Daily Press reported.

 

The project is expected to break ground by the end of the year. After its in full operation, the line will carry 10 million passengers annually, Virgin Trains estimates.

 

 

more:

https://www.progressiverailroading.com/high_speed_rail/news/Virgin-Trains-USA-enters-right-of-way-agreement-for-Las-Vegas-LA-high-speed-rail--60909

 

 

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What's interesting is that Rancho Cucamonga is pushing to have the rail line extended farther south along I-15 to their city, rather than terminate on the other side of the San Gabriel Mountains in Victorville. Meanwhile Palmdale wants the rail line to come to them. Both Rancho Cucamonga and Palmdale provide connections to Metrolink. But Rancho Cucamonga is more centrally located and a new transportation center proposed to be connected to the Ontario International Airport by one of Elon Musk's wonder tubes....

 

Virgin Trains in early talks to extend high-speed rail closer to LA

https://www.railjournal.com/passenger/high-speed/virgin-trains-plans-extension-of-la-las-vegas-high-speed-line/

"In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck

11 hours ago, ryanlammi said:

Yeah, I saw the piece at the end, but it was just referencing getting into downtown Moab. So I didn't know if tour buses and stuff were common or not to get to the parks themselves.

 

I'm pretty sure Moab has bus service but it's not super robust. One of the issues is getting people into/out of the parks. The area attracts a lot of people who are going into the national parks, state parks, and public land for recreation. I could see some more car rentals springing up in town if this comes to pass.

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36 minutes ago, JaceTheAce41 said:

 

I'm pretty sure Moab has bus service but it's not super robust. One of the issues is getting people into/out of the parks. The area attracts a lot of people who are going into the national parks, state parks, and public land for recreation. I could see some more car rentals springing up in town if this comes to pass.

 

That would be unfortunate. In other words, it would bring no benefit to Moab in terms of reduced traffic and air quality issues.

"In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck

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1 hour ago, mrnyc said:

 

Thanks for the warning (saying it's from CNN) not to watch it. 

"In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck

 

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29 minutes ago, KJP said:

 

Thanks for the warning (saying it's from CNN) not to watch it. 


It’s a REALLY positive article with updates on many of the significant high speed rail projects in the US. I highly recommend it. 
 

“Andy Kunz, president of the US High Speed Rail Association, said investors used to roll their eyes at him when he started speaking at conferences in 2010. Now he's watching Wall Street invest in high speed rail.  Global Infrastructure Partners, a New York fund, bought an Italian high-speed rail operator in 2018. Fortress Investment Group, a New York firm, funds Brightline, which believes there are a close to a dozen other potential projects in the US that fits its model, according to a spokesman.
 

“Kunz said that he recently heard for the first time from Goldman Sachs, regarding speaking in a Webinar about high-speed rail.”

 

I also LOVE that the article rips on Elon Musk, even though it doesn’t mention him by name:

 

"This is not fantasy or someone's dream," Kunz said. "This is a proven technology and a reality in 20 nations all over the world."
 

I’m sure @jmecklenborg will also enjoy that comment. 

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21 minutes ago, Boomerang_Brian said:

I’m sure @jmecklenborg will also enjoy that comment. 

 

I read the article this week. 

 

The problem with these companies building in specific corridors is that opponents to Amtrak will have fuel to say that if Virgin Trains, etc., aren't building it, then it's not worthwhile - even for the mild track upgrades necessary for the Ohio Hub and similar mid-grade projects around the country. 

22 minutes ago, jmecklenborg said:

 

I read the article this week. 

 

The problem with these companies building in specific corridors is that opponents to Amtrak will have fuel to say that if Virgin Trains, etc., aren't building it, then it's not worthwhile - even for the mild track upgrades necessary for the Ohio Hub and similar mid-grade projects around the country. 

 

Fair point.  That said, most public transit projects get huge push back anyway.  I think that the more people who have positive experiences with train travel, the more support there will be for train projects.  With that in mind, each of these projects increases the likelihood of Americans having positive experiences with rail travel.  I think that's a good thing.

 

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Amtrak isn't a risk-taking corporation. It has long acted as respondent to state or regional efforts to develop passenger rail. It hasn't been the initiator and some of that has to do with how they are set up and legislated.

 

So look for more private-sector initiatives to pursue public-private partnerships with states and regions, including possibly here in Ohio.

"In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck

4 hours ago, KJP said:

 

Thanks for the warning (saying it's from CNN) not to watch it. 

 

err, it says cnn on the website — and its positive lol.

 

might be fake news though being cnn!!

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Ok, I'll read it. CNN has made me gunshy from reading their stuff.

"In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck

57 minutes ago, KJP said:

Ok, I'll read it. CNN has made me gunshy from reading their stuff.


Yeah, that’s a reasonable take. Their misplaced whining on some of the rail projects during the Obama administration was quite aggravating. 

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1 hour ago, Boomerang_Brian said:


Yeah, that’s a reasonable take. Their misplaced whining on some of the rail projects during the Obama administration was quite aggravating. 

 

Exactly.

"In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck

5 hours ago, mrnyc said:

 

I hope this happens. It's a necessary "bridge" to the future, if I can say that about a tunnel. And why not federal funding? It's a spur to interstate commerce. 

 

Another tangential point:  A friend who needs to travel to Boston doesn't want to fly or drive.  His doctor recommended first class on the Acela - for the social separation of Acela's single seating.  At last I have an excuse!  ?

 

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On 7/18/2020 at 1:15 PM, Dougal said:

 

I hope this happens. It's a necessary "bridge" to the future, if I can say that about a tunnel. And why not federal funding? It's a spur to interstate commerce. 

 

Another tangential point:  A friend who needs to travel to Boston doesn't want to fly or drive.  His doctor recommended first class on the Acela - for the social separation of Acela's single seating.  At last I have an excuse!  ?

 

 

 

unfortunately its not just a spur for development. the old tunnels are in grave danger of collapse. its the top necessary infrastructure project in the country. not only could it cause death and calamity, but a failure of the tunnels would collapse transit and the economy in the ne, it's that crucial.

 

so cuomo fairly recently went down to dc and had a sitdown with trump about it, among other things.

 

afterward he said trump had flipflopped and would put up the fed share after dragging his feet.

 

looks like the first step of that has happened, for the nj portal bridge work:

 

 

Trump administration pledges $766M for stalled Gateway rail bridge 

By RYAN HUTCHINS

 

06/19/2020 04:22 PM EDT

 

Background: The existing Portal Bridge, which is 110 years old and carries about 450 Amtrak and NJ Transit trains over the Hackensack River daily, had become a source of severe delays for trains running into and out of Manhattan. The bridge would often become stuck in the open position, cutting off the busiest rail corridor in America. 

 

The replacement project had been held up in recent years as President Donald Trump had held up the Gateway Program, a $30 billion capital plan that includes the bridge and construction of a new rail tunnel under the Hudson River. The hold on the program was said to be linked to the president’s animosity for NY Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer, a major booster of the initiative.

 

NJ Gov. Murphy and his aides had lobbied the FTA — and Trump directly — to weigh the merits of the bridge projects on its own. The president, after having dinner with Murphy at his golf club in Bedminster, N.J., last week tweeted that he would support the Portal Bridge.

 

 

more:

https://www.politico.com/states/new-york/albany/story/2020/06/19/trump-administration-pledges-766m-for-stalled-gateway-rail-bridge-1294035 

wow i just saw this cool pic -- it's happening in fla.

 

brightline/virgin lays high speed track at orlando airport

 

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Matthew Soberman·May 30, 2020

 

Virgin Trains Brightline High-Speed Railway Lays Track to Orlando International Airport

 

 

South Florida residents are well on track to a high-speed rail to Orlando.

 

Brightline, soon to be known as Virgin Trains, posted a photo of freshly-laid track leading to their future station at Orlando International Airport on Tuesday. Construction has continued on the line during the COVID-19 pandemic, with adjustments made to take precautions against the virus.

 

 

more:

https://wdwnt.com/2020/05/brightline-high-speed-railway-lays-track-to-orlando-international-airport/

MA: East-West rail receives $50 million boost with passage of state’s Transportation Bond Bill

The Massachusetts Senate approved nearly $17 billion in borrowing to fund the state’s transportation system, including nearly $50 million in spending earmarked for the east-west rail project.
 

https://www.masstransitmag.com/rail/news/21146901/ma-eastwest-rail-receives-50-million-boost-with-passage-of-states-transportation-bond-bill

 

“Earlier this year, MassDOT presented the capital costs associated with six different alternatives to connecting Western Massachusetts as far as Pittsfield to Boston during a meeting with the east-west rail advisory committee, which MassDOT oversees and includes a number of state lawmakers and other stakeholders.

 

“The cost of the six options range from $2 billion to $25 billion, according to the state’s estimates. The travel times of each option varies too, and improves relative to the increase in cost.”

 

I just don’t understand how the low end projected cost is $2B. Isn’t this on the Amtrak Lake Shore Limited route? Can’t they just buy a few train sets and set up some platforms for some basic slow service? I would think a starter service would be more like $200M. What am I missing? Also, if you’re going to set up the service, coordinate with New York state and extend the service to Albany - that would increase ridership more dramatically at a lower cost than increasing the speed of the service, and connect to Amtrak routes. 

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I suspect this project will involve the state buying the right of way from CSX (as was done  from Boston to Worcester) which has single-tracked much of the 107-mile route. So you have the cost of acquiring right of way (couple million per mile), restoring the second track with signals/PTC ($10 million to $20 million per mile -- that's $1 billion to $2 billion right there), adding stations with overhead access every 5-10 miles ($10 million to $20 million each station), rolling stock ($20 million to $30 million per train set), train maintenance/servicing/layover facility ($30 million or more), total it up and then add a 30 percent contingency. 

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"In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck

1 hour ago, KJP said:

I suspect this project will involve the state buying the right of way from CSX (as was done  from Boston to Worcester) which has single-tracked much of the 107-mile route. So you have the cost of acquiring right of way (couple million per mile), restoring the second track with signals/PTC ($10 million to $20 million per mile -- that's $1 billion to $2 billion right there), adding stations with overhead access every 5-10 miles, rolling stock ($20 million to $30 million per train set), train maintenance/servicing/layover facility ($30 million or more), total it up and then add a 30 percent contingency. 


Thanks - I figured you’d know. I didn’t realize it was single-tracked. There has to be a benefit for Amtrak in MA owning it instead of CSX. 
 

What about the thought of extending the service to Albany? Is it really so hard to coordinate this project between two states that they would forgo the clear benefits of that connection? Obviously the primary benefit is to MA and thus MA should be the main driver, but NY would benefit too. 

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Amtrak wouldn't own it; the commonwealth would. 

"In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck

4 hours ago, KJP said:

Amtrak wouldn't own it; the commonwealth would. 

Yes, I understood that from your previous post. I didn’t word my follow up post clearly.  I assume it is better for Amtrak if MA owns the track rather than CSX. Or does it not matter to Amtrak who owns the track? 
 

And I’m curious on your thoughts about extending the service to Albany. How much harder is it to make that happen as compared to the additional ridership it would generate?

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Theoretically it should improve Amtrak's operations if the state acquires the line. But the bigger impact would be double-tracking the line. I think it would make a lot of sense to extend to Albany but that would require the financial participation of NYSDOT. I would like to see the rail line from South Schodack to East Chatham be realigned for passenger trains only alongside I-90.

"In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck

the farley post office penn moynihan progress is well on track and facebook is on board for the new office space there. 

 

 

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High-Speed Rail Startup Brightline Ends Alliance With Richard Branson’s Virgin

 

https://www.forbes.com/sites/alanohnsman/2020/08/07/high-speed-rail-startup-brightline-ends-alliance-with-richard-bransons-virgin/amp/


“Brightline, the sole private passenger rail service in the U.S., is ending a licensing deal with entrepreneur Richard Branson’s Virgin Enterprises and intends to operate only under its own name going forward. Virgin may have objections to that plan.”

 

If I’m understanding this correctly, Brightline was expecting an investment from Virgin. It never happened, so they are ending the marketing relationship. 

 

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^ oh geez, thanks i was wondering.

 

i had just assumed it would be the brightline virgin line, or sponsored by, or powered by virgin, or something clever like that.  hopefully they will work it out. 

israel is getting new rail service, which is somewhat military related and therefore funded in some part by usa taxpayers: 

 

 

Israel announces Likit rail link plans

Aug 13, 2020
Written byOliver Cuenca

 

ISRAEL’s Minister of Transport and Road Safety, Mrs Miri Regev, has announced plans to construct new rail and light rail connections to a military intelligence campus planned for construction in Likit, northeast of Be’er Sheva, Negev.

 

more:

https://www.railjournal.com/regions/middle-east/israel-announces-likit-rail-link-plans/

 

per wiki:

More recently, in fiscal year 2019, the US provided $3.8 billion in foreign military aid to Israel. Israel also benefits from about $8 billion of loan guarantees (repayment of which is written off every year). Almost all US aid to Israel is now in the form of military assistance, while in the past it also received significant economic assistance.

8 hours ago, mrnyc said:

israel is getting new rail service, which is somewhat military related and therefore funded in some part by usa taxpayers: 

 

 

Israel announces Likit rail link plans

Aug 13, 2020
Written byOliver Cuenca

 

ISRAEL’s Minister of Transport and Road Safety, Mrs Miri Regev, has announced plans to construct new rail and light rail connections to a military intelligence campus planned for construction in Likit, northeast of Be’er Sheva, Negev.

 

more:

https://www.railjournal.com/regions/middle-east/israel-announces-likit-rail-link-plans/

 

per wiki:

More recently, in fiscal year 2019, the US provided $3.8 billion in foreign military aid to Israel. Israel also benefits from about $8 billion of loan guarantees (repayment of which is written off every year). Almost all US aid to Israel is now in the form of military assistance, while in the past it also received significant economic assistance.

 

 

I just looked at the Israel railroad situation is on Google Earth and it's wild to see that it's basically a railroad island.  No railroad crosses into the Sinai Peninsula and there is no railroad bridge across the Suez Canal.  No railroads function in Lebanon and the tracks north of Haifa were destroyed by the Israelis in the late 1940s.  There was never a direct railroad connection between Israel and Jordan, but trains were able to travel there briefly in pre-Israel days via Lebanon (see above comment re: the abandonment of the line north of Haifa in the late 1940s). 

 

 

 

 

the penn empire station complex would dwarf hudson yards:

 

 

And we thought Hudson Yards was huge. If the State gets a go-ahead for a proposed “Empire Station Complex” around Penn Station, it will dwarf Hudson Yards. The proposal calls for 14 million square feet of new office space, 800,000 square feet of retail and nearly 1,300 new hotel rooms. The Complex would overrule local zoning and impose no height limits on new buildings.

 

 

more:

https://nylandmarks.org/news/proposed-development-would-dwarf-hudson-yards/

 

 

 

 

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L.A. Metro Board moves forward major capital projects

Contracts for the Crenshaw Northern Extension and the Sepulveda Transit Corridor Project were approved, and budgets for the Purple Line Extension and High Desert Intercity Rail Corridor were also approved.

https://www.masstransitmag.com/rail/infrastructure/press-release/21152633/los-angeles-county-metropolitan-transportation-authority-metro-la-metro-board-moves-forward-major-capital-projects

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