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1 hour ago, Rabbit Hash said:

All indications point that there will be a (as of yet unannounced) Publix built in Hebron adjacent to the new Graves Road (KY495) exit in a 52 acre development called Hebron Pointe. Same developer, architect that has handle several other Publix projects. Can any of our UO sleuths venture a guess on the outlets occupants based on footprints and lot sizes?Untitled4.thumb.png.f252a7b8eca71441fd7f5edf326926ef.pngUntitled19.thumb.png.7e867af06492d01bf035f7633a76d07a.pngUntitled17.thumb.png.1df9c89bca8672ab55623c37c0c2bf98.pngUntitled13.thumb.png.46f8c7f3e4d241c7ac3c5fcd94f09db4.pngUntitled14.thumb.png.6c6bb5d242794e85c38da0a803074bf9.png

Ohhh I hope the easy peas is a real place. I’d love a store dedicated to just peas!

 

 

also I’m JK. 

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22 hours ago, Dev said:

Definitely a Starbucks or equivalent. Has UDF ever had diesel stalls for trucks? 

 

Yeah. That one at the NW corner of Gateway and Graves looks to me like the layout for the new model of super-UDF's that have been cropping up but I can't make sense of those drive-through stalls. Could be a Sheets? I'm also seeing at Starbucks or Dunkin'. Figured there would be a Chick-fil-A but none of the buildings have the look.

 

20 hours ago, Ucgrad2015 said:

Ohhh I hope the easy peas is a real place. I’d love a store dedicated to just peas!

 

 

also I’m JK. 

 

I was hoping for a Chipelto, but figured they had left the market after their The Banks location fell through.

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1 hour ago, Rabbit Hash said:

Figured there would be a Chick-fil-A but none of the buildings have the look.


I was looking for that as well. The one at the bottom with 2 pull-ups, could be a Chick-Fil-A, but I agree it feels too small for that configuration that they do. It could be McDonalds instead. I'm not sure if any other fast-food chains have dual speaker boxes.

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I was hoping for a Chipelto, but figured they had left the market after their The Banks location fell through.

 

Chipelto!  Living on in UO infamy for 14 years!

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i still ask the family if they want chipelto! - the kids dont even think twice - just dad mispronouncing chipotle again...

I could see that Huffman Jewelry place being a Marshall’s. The Marshall’s in Hyde Park has a similar looking storefront and NKY currently has zero Marshall’s. 

21 hours ago, Dev said:


I was looking for that as well. The one at the bottom with 2 pull-ups, could be a Chick-Fil-A, but I agree it feels too small for that configuration that they do. It could be McDonalds instead. I'm not sure if any other fast-food chains have dual speaker boxes.

 Yeah, I goog'd their typical square footage and it's low. The nearest McD's is at North Bend Road and Petersburg Road very nearby. So, I'm not sure on that one either. Could be that the outlet configs are generic or are drawn to make a case in hopes they attract.

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i live about 5 minutes from this...  hoping that top little building is a starbucks or dunkin.  we already have a lot of fast food in hebron (and a REALLY high number of vape shops for some reason), so unless the restaurant is totally new to the area its going to be duplicating stuff just down the road.  what hebron doenst have is any mid-tier/ fast casual sit down places (besides chipelto!) like McAlisters or panera or schlotztkys or applebees... and we do not have a Greaters!

I'm having a tough time thinking what type of in-line retail is going to fill that larger box.  The only thing we seem to be able to support out here is Dollar Tree.  and the only clothing retailer we have is Gap outlet.  used to be a Remke and two independent grocers and a buskin, but Kroger moved in and thats that.

I can confirm this will be Publix. The service station at the NW corner of Graves and Worldwide was pitched as more of a truck stop type facility. You can see the diesel lanes. That part was rejected. The outlets occupants have not been determined yet, so anything on those we are left to speculate. 

I do not see how Publix will last in the area.  I have shopped at the Publix in Florida, and everyone down there calls it the rich man's grocery store as they over charge on basic items.  They do BOGO sales all the time and it brings the prices down to normal pricing, not an actual sale when you compare what other stores prices are for the same products for their everyday prices.  Kroger and Wal-Mart have much better pricing.  The only reason Publix gets traffic in Florida is because people don't like to shop at Wal-Mart as Wal-Mart service sucks, but when you throw Kroger into the mix, you don't have to deal with the overpriced Publix prices or the Wal-Mart chaos out of necessity.   

my theory is they are overlapping their footprint in an attempt to prevent being bought out the same way regulators are debating kroger's aquisition of safeway.  overlap now so when kroger inevitably pushes into florida with either expansion or aquisition, Publix is not as easy of an option to buy out/merge.  
why else poke the bear by moving into cincinnati?  unless they want to get bought out?

Or, they realize Cincinnati's market is Kroger-saturated so they want to be the second option.  Cincinnati is quite unusual to have one grocery store dominating the market like Kroger does.  Publix said "Hold my beer..."

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Kroger has absolutely abused its status as the heavyweight grocery store in the Cincinnati market. Their prices have climbed for years, which was exacerbated by the pandemic, and the cleanliness and selection has declined. Even the OTR location, which is one block from their headquarters, seems neglected after only 5 years. I'm hoping Publix will come in and force Kroger to start competing again.

40 minutes ago, OliverHazardPerry said:

Kroger has absolutely abused its status as the heavyweight grocery store in the Cincinnati market. Their prices have climbed for years, which was exacerbated by the pandemic, and the cleanliness and selection has declined. Even the OTR location, which is one block from their headquarters, seems neglected after only 5 years. I'm hoping Publix will come in and force Kroger to start competing again.

 

The Mitchell Ave. store has descended into Mad Max chaos.  The "new" Corryville store will be there in 2-3 years.  Downtown is turning into Cricket Wireless. 

 

1 hour ago, OliverHazardPerry said:

Kroger has absolutely abused its status as the heavyweight grocery store in the Cincinnati market. Their prices have climbed for years, which was exacerbated by the pandemic, and the cleanliness and selection has declined. Even the OTR location, which is one block from their headquarters, seems neglected after only 5 years. I'm hoping Publix will come in and force Kroger to start competing again.

 

A highly visible to the public manifestation of monopoly powers.

2 hours ago, Lazarus said:

Downtown is turning into Cricket Wireless. 

 

 

Can you elaborate on this?

5 hours ago, OliverHazardPerry said:

Kroger has absolutely abused its status as the heavyweight grocery store in the Cincinnati market. Their prices have climbed for years, which was exacerbated by the pandemic, and the cleanliness and selection has declined. Even the OTR location, which is one block from their headquarters, seems neglected after only 5 years. I'm hoping Publix will come in and force Kroger to start competing again.

What makes you say this about the Court Street store? I go there literally every day and have noticed no chances, always a good experience. 

On 6/23/2024 at 2:58 PM, seanian said:

I do not see how Publix will last in the area.  I have shopped at the Publix in Florida, and everyone down there calls it the rich man's grocery store as they over charge on basic items.  They do BOGO sales all the time and it brings the prices down to normal pricing, not an actual sale when you compare what other stores prices are for the same products for their everyday prices.  Kroger and Wal-Mart have much better pricing.  The only reason Publix gets traffic in Florida is because people don't like to shop at Wal-Mart as Wal-Mart service sucks, but when you throw Kroger into the mix, you don't have to deal with the overpriced Publix prices or the Wal-Mart chaos out of necessity.   

I can not wait for Publix to enter the market. I want a grocery store not a marketplace or wally world. I want to get milk, produce, meat and leave. I don't need Carhartt clothes, toys, jewelry and lawn furniture. Publix might be higher in price but I will pay for quality and better customer service. Plus, Publix employees actually give a s**t what they do, when was the last time a Kroger employee even looked remotely happy in a store? 

Publix has good fried chicken and a really good deli, other than that it's overpriced for same or even lesser quality produce. Basically I just described Remke's and they weren't able to maintain a foothold in Hebron either. 

I liked Remke just for variety. Going to Kroger that much felt like a slog. We have Giant Eagle up here but is just as boring/stressful and more expensive. 

1 hour ago, ucgrady said:

Publix has good fried chicken and a really good deli, other than that it's overpriced for same or even lesser quality produce. Basically I just described Remke's and they weren't able to maintain a foothold in Hebron either. 

I think the reduced status of that company has a lot to do with Matt Remke's battle and ultimate death from cancer and then the sale of the company to Fresh Markets or whatever it's called. Only 5 locations left. But yeah, they were likely doomed anyway in Hebron with the Marketplace opening. 

maybe just the cincinnati-pride pounded into me, but i really like kroger.  even with added competition, i dont foresee prices coming down that much.  its not like meijer is any cheaper, and any grocer with less purchasing power is not going to be able to compete with kroger.  i cant speak to the cincinnati stores since its been a long time since i moved from oakley, but most of the northern ky stores are pretty new or recently remodeled.  i am always relieved to be back in the land of kroger after an extended trip where they do not exist. 

back to hebron - the remke was built/developed by toebben in hopes of supporting their mega residential development down the road of Rivers PointE... but that was delayed for road widening, roundabout construction and then city water upgrades on top of the economy and covid.  they just built the retail too soon. 

22 hours ago, jack.c.amos said:

maybe just the cincinnati-pride pounded into me, but i really like kroger.  even with added competition, i dont foresee prices coming down that much.  its not like meijer is any cheaper, and any grocer with less purchasing power is not going to be able to compete with kroger.  i cant speak to the cincinnati stores since its been a long time since i moved from oakley, but most of the northern ky stores are pretty new or recently remodeled.  i am always relieved to be back in the land of kroger after an extended trip where they do not exist. 

back to hebron - the remke was built/developed by toebben in hopes of supporting their mega residential development down the road of Rivers PointE... but that was delayed for road widening, roundabout construction and then city water upgrades on top of the economy and covid.  they just built the retail too soon. 

 

And now the retail will be in the front of the Rivers PointE dev. 

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Planning Commission OKs concept development plan for former Drawbridge Inn site

by Nathan GrangerAugust 2, 2024

 

The Kenton County Planning Commission approved a concept development plan for a large mixed-used development in Fort Mitchell on Thursday. The development site is located at the former location of the Drawbridge Inn in Fort Mitchell, which closed in 2012 after 42 years of operation.

 

https://linknky.com/news/2024/08/02/fort-mitchell-drawbridge-inn-development/

 

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I'm not sure suburban office buildings are fairing much better than downtown office buildings so I'll be curious to see if any of those lots can even get financing, but if just the senior housing and retail outlots get built out, thats better than nothing. The Lot 2 area would be a pretty bad location for residential so that will probably stay retail/office but hopefully in the future Lot 3 should get an apartment development to bring more people into that area and into Ft. Mitchell. 

On 8/2/2024 at 2:05 PM, Rabbit Hash said:

Planning Commission OKs concept development plan for former Drawbridge Inn site

by Nathan GrangerAugust 2, 2024

 

The Kenton County Planning Commission approved a concept development plan for a large mixed-used development in Fort Mitchell on Thursday. The development site is located at the former location of the Drawbridge Inn in Fort Mitchell, which closed in 2012 after 42 years of operation.

 

https://linknky.com/news/2024/08/02/fort-mitchell-drawbridge-inn-development/

 

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I do hate how the senior housing keeps shrinking in height. The original proposal I believe was 11 floors, then went down to 9 and now looks to be 7. 

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Thomas More University cuts the ribbon on new $22M academic center

 

Thomas More University is cutting the ribbon on its new $22 million academic center today, Sept. 10.

 

The new academic facility boasts 34,000 square feet across four floors and was largely funded by the university’s Second Century Campaign but also by private donations.

 

Construction on the building began in April of 2022 after Thomas More’s president, Joseph Chillo; Kevin Reynolds, senior vice president for mission and university advancement; and team decided it was time to bring some new life to campus.

 

More below:

https://www.bizjournals.com/cincinnati/news/2024/09/10/thomas-more-opens-academic-center-college-business.html

 

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For a school like TMU to do this is impressive. Chillo and Reynolds did incredible work getting it funded. 

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New $40M adventure park – three times the size of Kings Island – coming to Northern Kentucky

 

A new adventure park that’s three times the size of Kings Island is underway in Northern Kentucky.

 

City leaders recently broke ground on the 1,000-acre Eons Adventure Park in Erlanger, a large, multiphase undertaking that spans from Cincinnati/Northern Kentucky International Airport across the city to Riverfront Commons in Ludlow.

 

It will feature hiking trails, a dog park and other amenities. In total, the project is expected to cost $40 million, according to a report by Courier media partner WKRC-TV Local 12.

 

More below:

https://www.bizjournals.com/cincinnati/news/2024/10/24/erlanger-ludlow-adventure-dog-park-trails-tourism.html

 

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Bit of head scratcher. I had not heard a whisper about this project. Honestly, the comparison to KI is clunky because one is obviously going to think it's a thrill park. There's not much in the way of renderings, just this overhead perspective. I looks like to me it's some land that CirclePort hasn't been able to industrialize (Pacific Drive) and from there it activates all of the slopes and valleys of Dry Creek. The latter being a good use IMHO. I wonder if Villa Hills will get in on this as it looks like some of it extends onto the "north rim" of Dry Creek valley. Erlanger/VH city limits are the creek itself.

A very extensive new mountain bike park is coming to Erlanger, KY from I-275 down to the river:

https://www.wcpo.com/news/local-news/kenton-county/erlanger/erlanger-breaks-ground-on-1-000-acre-forever-adventure-park?fbclid=IwY2xjawGIEYxleHRuA2FlbQIxMQABHQ7X3zet9i4NC96UnBJwOdqD-UDbWj__JGkxEgJf0vT0q-1nFHmv0ahmpA_aem_Rwm2Y7cmHJKcZ1Ab_3no1A

 

Devou Park currently has about 8 miles of trails, including the only downhill trails (and annual downhill race) in our area.  This is going to add a second park with downhill trails just three miles away so the two together will become a pretty significant mountain biking destination. 

 

 

Very cool topography of this area! I didn't realize how much it drops down into the bottom of Dry Creek. And it'll be neat to connect down to River Rd by the Ohio River. Really makes me hungry for a network of protected bike paths to connect this to Devou and beyond to downtown Cincinnati. Would be so fun to be able to safely bike from Smale across the river to Devou and this new bike park in Erlanger. 

16 hours ago, Rabbit Hash said:

I wonder if Villa Hills will get in on this as it looks like some of it extends onto the "north rim" of Dry Creek valley.

I would doubt it. The commercial properties in Erlanger want to have this as an amenity to lure employees, but the $800,000+ new homes in Villa Hills will see this as riff-raff coming into their backyard. See the evolution of the Sanctuary Village project on the other side of town and how the residents liked anything about it. People in Villa Hills see the whole Dry Creek Valley as their personal backyard, which I certainly took advantage of as a kid playing paintball and going camping back there all the time. 

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If any of the real structures and infrasture gets built it will be awesome, I'm skeptical that it will just be some poorly managed trails without permanant facilities like so many other places but it could be great. I spent so much time down there as a kid and the culvert under 275 is huge, like you can drive your friend's truck through it huge, however one thing that hasn't been mentioned is SD1 facility down there that is baking and settling all of NKY's poop. That valley smells pretty horrendous most days unless there is a nice south to north breeze. 

 

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On a related note to the slide showing regional trail connections, I think the riverfront trail seems obvious, but Route 8 is pretty much constantly collapsing into the river between Anderson Ferry and Bromley so I'm not sure how realistic that trail is long term. I think another idea connecting through Dry creek into Lookout Farm and then using the nice separated sidwalk on the old Greenline streetcar route along Dixie Highway from Lakeside Park down through Ft. Mitchell. This would get you a connection to the trails between Ft. Mitchell and Ft.Wright along Highland Cemetery, and could also get you via some sidewalk improvements down to Covington along Dixie Highway or even Amsterdam. 

5 hours ago, ucgrady said:

Route 8 is pretty much constantly collapsing into the river between Anderson Ferry and Bromley so I'm not sure how realistic that trail is long term.


Including a SUP, or equivalent infrastructure, along the route would help with scoring on Federal grants that would primarily be used to stabilize the roadway.

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3-4 miles of KY 8 was just rebuilt and repaved over the past year.  It's super-smooth right now, except I did notice that one crack had already formed when I biked it about a month ago. 

 

The fact is that KY 8 west of Bromley is pretty much the greatest road bike ride in the Cincinnati area. The hills and curves are all perfect - lots of variety.  The only bad part is that there is no drinking fountain or other water source that I've been able to find so you risk running out of water on a hot day. 

 

The other side of KY 8 (from Dayton down to Silver Grove and beyond) is also a great road biking road but there is some monotony as compared to the Boone County section.  There is, however, a gas station in Silver Grove where you can get water or a Gatorade.  The section between Dayton and the Combs-Hehl Bridge also reopened this year and is also already suffering some movement. 

NKU sets groundbreaking on $86 million science center expansion

 

Northern Kentucky University has set a groundbreaking date for its science center expansion.

 

NKU will break ground on an 85,400-square-foot, $86 million expansion to its Dorothy Westerman Herrmann Science Center Oct. 31. The project, which was approved at a board meeting in March, will allow for the consolidation of multiple academic programs into one facility while enhancing its lab and research spaces for its departments of biology, chemistry, biochemistry, physics, geology and engineering technology.

 

NKU will also be renovating 19,000 square feet of existing collaborative learning spaces.

 

More below:

https://www.bizjournals.com/cincinnati/news/2024/10/28/nku-science-center-expansion-groundbreaking-funds.html

 

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On 10/25/2024 at 9:22 AM, ucgrady said:

 

 

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I love the Anderson Ferry but I feel like this map shows how much good a bridge from NKY to Anderson Ferry Road would do for the West Side of Cincinnati. 

hilltop to hilltop - no going down to the river!  it could go from the airport interchange to the hill east of Mt St. Joe...  Viaduct de Millau - style!image.png.f37f9d64275872dcfefef4b092ec8688.png

Would be sweet! And would cost quite a bit!

Mount Saint Joseph and CVG on the same exit from 275! Let's build this bridge and make Kentucky pay for it! ;)

 

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This is the kind of project that would have a huge positive economic impact on the west side and would certainly be opposed and fought tooth and nail by the west side.

cutting commute time for west side to airport - check
opening delhi-area retail & restaurants to nky residents - check
reducing dependency on I-75 & reducing congestion - check
connecting region - check
never gonna happen - check

A westside auto bridge would just create more induced demand, making our region more congested and polluted. Now if we're talking about a regional rail system, that's different, but an auto bridge is just going to add to the sprawl in the region and have no positive impact on I-75 congestion.

1 hour ago, Dev said:

A westside auto bridge would just create more induced demand, making our region more congested and polluted. Now if we're talking about a regional rail system, that's different, but an auto bridge is just going to add to the sprawl in the region and have no positive impact on I-75 congestion.

It would remove me from I75 thru downtown. Transit not an option when you're transporting things. Also, with Amazon and the concentration of warehousing ops around the airport, this would absolutely divert considerable traffic from 75.

4 minutes ago, TheCOV said:

It would remove me from I75 thru downtown. Transit not an option when you're transporting things. Also, with Amazon and the concentration of warehousing ops around the airport, this would absolutely divert considerable traffic from 75.


Any traffic diverted from 75 would then be backfilled within 5 to 10 years by traffic coming from further away, which would be both commercial and commuting traffic. The only way this wouldn't happen is if KYTC and ODOT were to reduce capacity on 75, OH50, and KY8, which they absolutely will not do, and/or build transit options for the thousands of people who work and travel out of CVG.

by the sound of these posts, the government has given up on replacing the brent spence. pick a spot halfway between Anderson ferry and the brent-spence. create "the airport bypass". at 275, 75 N, and 71 N  interchange. take the new bypass/new 71 N, it goes past airport then makes a long bend back toward and reconnects with 75 N. over the new river bridge. when pigs fly.

21 hours ago, Dev said:

A westside auto bridge would just create more induced demand, making our region more congested and polluted. Now if we're talking about a regional rail system, that's different, but an auto bridge is just going to add to the sprawl in the region and have no positive impact on I-75 congestion.

 

The chances of Hamilton County building regional rail in the next 25 years is virtually zero, but we could have a frequent bus route between the Glenway Crossing Transit Center and CVG if this bridge existed, allowing riders of the 22, 32, 37, 38, 41, 51, 64, 65, and 77 to quickly transfer and get to the airport (and surrounding businesses/employers) via a much more direct route. If I wanted to get from Cheviot to CVG right now, there's one option that's 1 hr 18 min and involves 1 transfer. But if I miss that bus, I'm looking at a 2 hour trip with 2 transfers.

 

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21 hours ago, Dev said:


Any traffic diverted from 75 would then be backfilled within 5 to 10 years by traffic coming from further away, which would be both commercial and commuting traffic. The only way this wouldn't happen is if KYTC and ODOT were to reduce capacity on 75, OH50, and KY8, which they absolutely will not do, and/or build transit options for the thousands of people who work and travel out of CVG.

I hear you, but this isn't some bridge being built in the middle of nowhere. It's connecting bedroom communities with jobs. We should want this.

On 10/31/2024 at 1:03 PM, TheCOV said:

I hear you, but this isn't some bridge being built in the middle of nowhere. It's connecting bedroom communities with jobs. We should want this.


This not being in the middle of nowhere is actually a bad thing! Building highways for low-density suburbs is how we go into the hole we are in today and the first step in recovery is to stop digging. Why not put jobs in the bedroom communities so their residents don't have to drive into another state for work? If suburbs want to be financially successful long-term they have to densify and we as a society need to stop subsidizing their fiscal irresponsibility! 

  

On 10/31/2024 at 9:54 AM, taestell said:

 

The chances of Hamilton County building regional rail in the next 25 years is virtually zero, but we could have a frequent bus route between the Glenway Crossing Transit Center and CVG if this bridge existed, allowing riders of the 22, 32, 37, 38, 41, 51, 64, 65, and 77 to quickly transfer and get to the airport (and surrounding businesses/employers) via a much more direct route. If I wanted to get from Cheviot to CVG right now, there's one option that's 1 hr 18 min and involves 1 transfer. But if I miss that bus, I'm looking at a 2 hour trip with 2 transfers.


The chances of KYTC and ODOT building a CVG-Delhi bridge in the next 25 years is virtually zero so we might as well be advocating for something that is fully sustainable. Having more direct and frequent bus service to CVG would be good sure, but it's still going to be heavily outweighed by all the extra driving it will induce, making conditions for most working class people in our region worse overall. Having a circuitous path to get to CVG is good actually, as that reduces interest in driving, and we should lean into that more by making alternatives easier, not by making driving easier. I don't think this is a case where something is better than nothing.

 

Also, generational shift is going to kick in really big around 2030 so I don't think there's reason to be super pessimistic about better transit funding for a place like Cincinnati. I know you are frustrated with the lack of progress recently but I think there is still reason to be optimistic so it would be best for the region's advocates, and power brokers, to get ready for that future, instead of looking backwards at what has gotten funding in the past. 

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You're not gonna move those jobs. They exist at the airport for a reason. The bridge will help that low density neighborhood densify....just as completion of the rapid transit loop in the city would have done had it been completed.

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