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10 minutes ago, mrnyc said:

^ btw and least we forget, this was the 1998 render for the khaleesi gargoyle tower at 41 w57st by mark foster gage architects.

 

which would have been ... umm ... awesomer.  😮😂🤦‍♂️

 

 

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sh*t, that would have been one helluva building. 

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Yeah, as absolutely bonkers, gaudy, and over the top that is, I'd have LOVED to have seen someone tackle breaking out of the ordinary mould that much. If I recall, the facade panels were going to be mostly a man made stonelike material cut into shape with high pressure water jets. And the forms themselves were just a gigantic mashup of free 3D objects downloaded from the internet.

 

It's so otherworldly that I wish it was real. I'm so bored with the glass boxes we get today. Thankfully we have some standouts like 111 W57th, 9 Dekalb, and a lot of nice mid-rises popping up that make use of a nicer palette of materials, but we still have the two tallest buildings in the city being big boring ass blue glass boxes. It's a shame.

6 hours ago, mrnyc said:

^ btw and least we forget, this was the 1998 render for the khaleesi gargoyle tower at 41 w57st by mark foster gage architects.

 

which would have been ... umm ... awesomer.  😮😂🤦‍♂️

 

 

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^ that is very good news!

 

 

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520 fifth avenue

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Give me a break. The "novelty wore off." Every other country understands that public right-of-way should prioritize humans. NYC, as great as it is, has archaic standards for how sidewalks and streets are used. It's idiotic. Outdoor dining should be permanent and should be embraced.

 

This feels like all the annoying people whining about keeping some of the open streets permanent and converting them to actual parks, like the street out front of my co-op. The inability to change and adapt is so boring.

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7 minutes ago, jmicha said:

Give me a break. The "novelty wore off." Every other country understands that public right-of-way should prioritize humans. NYC, as great as it is, has archaic standards for how sidewalks and streets are used. It's idiotic. Outdoor dining should be permanent and should be embraced.

 

not when pedestrian access to sidewalks is so severely limited that you have to walk in the street to bypass the congestion caused by these restaurants. I'm tired of having to squeeze through throngs of servers, bussers, hostesses and diners waiting for tables when there should be a free and clear path, to say nothing of the vermin that have proliferated exponentially as a result of the trash they produce. Outdoor dining is permanent and is embraced in New York, but should be subject to regulations that don't yet seem to exist for the new pandemic era venues that have popped up everywhere. 

Are you under the impression that you have a unique experience walking through these areas that I don't? The idea that it's wall-to-wall crowded and there's an impasse when there's an outdoor seating area is hyperbolic.

 

My statement of them being permanent and being embraced wasn't directed at the city. It's directed at you.

 

The idea that there aren't regulations for things like vermin and such is wrong. These venues are subject to the exact same regulations as any outdoor sidewalk cafe that was previously allowable by zoning. The only thing that changed was the expansion of what areas were allowed "semi-permanent" sidewalk cafes and allowing them to be located in parking lanes in areas where the actual sidewalk couldn't accommodate them.

 

If you have an issue with enforcement, report it to 311. Don't try to make it out as some wild west unregulated expansion of a really basic urban amenity though, because it's not.

21 hours ago, jmicha said:

Are you under the impression that you have a unique experience walking through these areas that I don't? The idea that it's wall-to-wall crowded and there's an impasse when there's an outdoor seating area is hyperbolic.

 

My statement of them being permanent and being embraced wasn't directed at the city. It's directed at you.

 

The idea that there aren't regulations for things like vermin and such is wrong. These venues are subject to the exact same regulations as any outdoor sidewalk cafe that was previously allowable by zoning. The only thing that changed was the expansion of what areas were allowed "semi-permanent" sidewalk cafes and allowing them to be located in parking lanes in areas where the actual sidewalk couldn't accommodate them.

 

If you have an issue with enforcement, report it to 311. Don't try to make it out as some wild west unregulated expansion of a really basic urban amenity though, because it's not.

this is my experience, evidently it's not a problem where you live. Whatever the case, if there are rules, they aren't being enforced. I hope this will change

 

Can you point out a timestamp where there was no way through and had to go into a street that wasn't intended to be closed to traffic or where it was so crowded it was impossible to get through? Because it's not being shown.

 

The latest count is around 100 of these new cafes in my neighborhood. They're all over. It's not an issue because I'm not making it into an issue.

3 hours ago, jmicha said:

Can you point out a timestamp where there was no way through and had to go into a street that wasn't intended to be closed to traffic or where it was so crowded it was impossible to get through? Because it's not being shown.

 

sure, go to about 17:00 and watch for about one minute. The sidewalk is basically unusable by pedestrians just going from point A to point B.

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In a 30+ minute video, on a weekend, there's precisely one venue that's actually an issue.

 

This isn't really the norm, or even remotely common. Most are just an extension of the indoor seating and that's it. This specific venue looks like a bar that's letting people hang out on the sidewalk which is already against all sidewalk cafe regulations. Like I said, call 311. This place is violating those regulations. But someone violating regulations doesn't mean that everyone else should be forced to remove their outdoor seating.

17 hours ago, jmicha said:

In a 30+ minute video, on a weekend, there's precisely one venue that's actually an issue.

 

This isn't really the norm, or even remotely common. Most are just an extension of the indoor seating and that's it. This specific venue looks like a bar that's letting people hang out on the sidewalk which is already against all sidewalk cafe regulations. Like I said, call 311. This place is violating those regulations. But someone violating regulations doesn't mean that everyone else should be forced to remove their outdoor seating.

I guess there are arguments to be had on both sides, but the violations go well beyond just impassable sidewalks. Even if a restaurant is not particularly busy, outdoor seating on the street essentially extends the dining room over the space of the sidewalk. How do they have that right? While most people can skirt around any obstacles they might create (not that anyone should have to), the disabled are severely disadvantaged. There are so many sanitation problems associated with these places now that it would take an army of new inspectors just to deal with them. I can't believe they're permitted to stay in place through the end of 2022. 

 

 

Again, all this is covered in the existing sidewalk cafe regulations. Just like with 100% of sidewalk cafes that existed before the pandemic, a clear path is very much one of the first requirements. And just like with any of them before, they have that "right" because the city decided it wanted to extend certain types of businesses the right to utilize those spaces as it benefits both the businesses and the city via increased tax revenue.

 

I disagree this is some insurmountable problem to deal with. Are you suggesting that an extension of the dining room is somehow significantly more challenging to regulate than the rest of the establishment? Because the restaurants are already being inspected regularly. I'm not buying that this has made that process such a challenge that, again, we should just get rid of them.

 

If you see an issue and a specific venue is actively physically blocking a sidewalk or the required clear path, report it. I don't know what else to say. You're making a mountain out of this issue.

^If there are regulations, apparently they exist largely on paper, because they don't seem to be enforced. A couple of nights ago I was walking down Avenue B around 10th St, where there are several "streeteries" in a row on the west side of the street, and saw rats running around just a few feet from tablesful of diners. This is not unusual. Later at night when these places close the rats are then free to run rampant, rooting through mounds of garbage (or just food scraps which may have been left inadvertently) by a particular business. If a problem like this is not "insurmountable," then maybe the city should get busy and start dealing with it, because thus far it's not doing an especially good job. I don't know what the original laws regarding sidewalk cafes are, but surely they don't permit (I'm guessing) expanding a restaurant dining room permanently into the street. Again, I don't understand how food service operators can take over public space--for a reason it was never intended--to improve their profit margins. Additionally, a lot of these structures are in abysmal condition, showing the wear and tear associated with exposure to the elements and thus becoming a safety hazard both to restaurant patrons and possibly casual passersby. I guess if I'm making a "mountain" out of this issue, so are a lot of other people, as you can hear by the report, who don't understand why a policy enacted as the result of an emergency (which most people applauded at the time) and meant to last temporarily is now being demanded to become permanent. At the very least, restaurateurs should work with civic officials, planners, etc. and come up with a long term plan of action before the current situation is allowed to continue ad infinitum.

for anyone planning to visit the new observation deck in One Vanderbilt, do not watch this, it will ruin the experience for you. Personally, I don't really care. Considering the outrageous admission fees for these places, I probably won't go anyway (I've so far managed to avoid that Hudson Yards tower). Many years ago I went to a dentist whose office was located in the spire of the nearby Chrysler Building. I figure that was close enough lol

 

 

 

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^ i dk what if if any of that empire redevelopment is going to happen since cuomo is out. at the least it will be different, or in drips and drabs. the penn station expansion will happen though.

You know what needs to happen first though? Removal of the FAR of 12 limit at a state level. The reason they aren't pivoting is because the cost of these sites is based on cost per developable square foot. In sites like this that have an enormous commercial FAR, there's no feasible way without doing the whole "ultra luxury, tens of millions of dollars per unit" thing to make residential work. You can try mixed use, but the challenge there is that you can't share infrastructure nor can residential be below any other usage, so you essentially end up trying to design a building in which you have an office tower with an entirely separate residential tower on top of it. It rarely works for a lot of reasons. People who can afford this level of ultra luxury necessary to make it work will refuse to live in a building that's also part commercial. It just isn't realistic.

 

We need to shift to allow a much higher FAR for residential that's built on commercial lots to allow for much larger residential buildings to be built. Otherwise office space is the only viable use for sites like this.

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^ not a bad idea. it would only improve that parkland to re-imagine and redevelop it anyway.

 

i don't understand why these tall mounds are not being considered for further downtown though. it has flooded horribly along water street and the seaport. i guess they will need to bury the fdr to do that down there and it will be hella expensive.

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in case folks have not noticed the bronx has been getting a skyline!

 

 

 

 

27-Story Residential Building Breaks Ground at 2413 Third Avenue in Mott Haven, The Bronx

 

 

RXR Realty recently celebrated the commencement of construction on 2413 Third Avenue, a 27-story residential tower in the Mott Haven section of the South Bronx. Designed by CetraRuddy Architecture, the development will comprise a mix of residences, parking, and ground-floor commercial area. 2413 Third Avenue arrives as RXR Realty’s first entry into the Bronx market.

“As the South Bronx’s population grows, RXR welcomes the opportunity to meet this demand and provide accessible, smartly designed, and amenitized homes,” said Joanne Minieri, senior executive vice president and COO of development and construction at RXR Realty. “RXR is fully committed to working in partnership with the community to increase local hiring and activate the neighborhood through direct investment.”

2413 Third Avenue will house 200 rental units including 60 rent-stabilized units for middle-income households. All units are equipped with stainless steel appliances, white oak flooring, matte black iron fixtures, and subway tiling. Amenity spaces will include a fitness center, communal lounge areas, landscaped outdoor space, and a roof terrace with barbecue grills and dining area.

“The building design is rooted in the traditions of the vibrant community of Mott Haven,” said Nancy J. Ruddy and John Cetra of CetraRuddy Architecture. “A bold massing creates a sculpted presence that both engages the sky while opening up to pedestrian activity. Indoor/outdoor connectivity and integration with nature is an important element that helped form the project, creating gardens and varied outdoor spaces.”

The rendering shows a lively modern design incorporating a number of rectangular volumes composed of light colored paneling framing sleek floor-to-ceiling glass. These volumes are assembled together at various angles, and are interspersed by a core of earth-toned brick masonry, creating a striking contrast.

The commercial component will occupy a modest 721 square feet and will be divided into a separate gallery and retail business. The development will also include a parking garage designed to accommodate 81 vehicles with electric vehicle charging stations, a trending amenity among new developments in the New York City area.

This past summer, RXR and Bank of America closed on a $75.2 million construction loan to finance the development. Construction is on track to wrap by the end of 2023.

 

 

more:

https://newyorkyimby.com/2021/10/27-story-residential-building-breaks-ground-at-2413-third-avenue-in-mott-haven-the-bronx.html

 

 

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In the Bronx, Mott Haven Suddenly Gets a Skyline
A construction boom could bring more than 5,000 rental apartments to some 20 development projects in the neighborhood over the next couple of years.

 

 

By C. J. Hughes

Published Oct. 15, 2021Updated Oct. 20, 2021

 

A new skyline is rising in New York City, and — wait for it! — it’s in Mott Haven, the Bronx.

 

Once a low-profile neighborhood dominated by shops that fix flat tires, Mott Haven has sprouted a dozen residential towers, all of them rentals, with market-rate and affordable apartments in the mix.

Most of the development has occurred in Mott Haven’s southwestern corner, by the Harlem River and the bridges that lead to Manhattan, and more than 5,000 apartments spread across about 20 development projects have either recently opened, are under construction or will break ground soon, based on data from city records, developers and real estate brokerages.

 

 

more:

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/10/15/realestate/mott-haven-bronx-new-construction.html

 

 

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check out these interesting one madison redevelopment construction pics -- via nyyimby:

 

 

One Madison Avenue’s Renovation and Expansion Progresses in The Flatiron District, Manhattan

 

 

By: Michael Young 8:00 am on October 25, 2021

 

Work continues to progress on One Madison Avenue, a 1.4-million-square-foot, 27-story office tower expansion in Midtown, Manhattan’s Flatiron District. Designed by Kohn Pedersen Fox and developed by SL Green, the project involves the construction of a steel-framed structure atop the current eight-story building, which was partially demolished and is in the process of being excavated and gutted. The property takes up a full block bound by East 23rd and 24th Streets and Madison Avenue and Park Avenue South, and sits directly adjacent to the 112-year-old Metropolitan Life Insurance Company Tower. The developers, which also include the National Pension Service of Korea and Hines, successfully acquired $1.25 billion in construction financing and are aiming to achieve both WELL and LEED Gold certification, as well as incorporating state-of-the-art HVAC and circulation systems to improve interior air quality and overall cleanliness. AECOM Tishman is serving as the general contractor.

 

more:

https://newyorkyimby.com/2021/10/one-madison-avenues-renovation-and-expansion-progresses-in-the-flatiron-district-manhattan.html

 

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8 hours ago, mrnyc said:

check out these interesting one madison redevelopment construction pics -- via nyyimby:

 

 

One Madison Avenue’s Renovation and Expansion Progresses in The Flatiron District, Manhattan

 

 

By: Michael Young 8:00 am on October 25, 2021

 

Work continues to progress on One Madison Avenue, a 1.4-million-square-foot, 27-story office tower expansion in Midtown, Manhattan’s Flatiron District. Designed by Kohn Pedersen Fox and developed by SL Green, the project involves the construction of a steel-framed structure atop the current eight-story building, which was partially demolished and is in the process of being excavated and gutted. The property takes up a full block bound by East 23rd and 24th Streets and Madison Avenue and Park Avenue South, and sits directly adjacent to the 112-year-old Metropolitan Life Insurance Company Tower. The developers, which also include the National Pension Service of Korea and Hines, successfully acquired $1.25 billion in construction financing and are aiming to achieve both WELL and LEED Gold certification, as well as incorporating state-of-the-art HVAC and circulation systems to improve interior air quality and overall cleanliness. AECOM Tishman is serving as the general contractor.

 

more:

https://newyorkyimby.com/2021/10/one-madison-avenues-renovation-and-expansion-progresses-in-the-flatiron-district-manhattan.html

 

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This is hideous.  An architecture gem partially blocked by glass box office, that looks similar to 50 other building in the city!

The building is offset diagonally so it doesn't sit next to the Metropolitan Life tower.

 

This building is extremely well-detailed and will be a great addition that doesn't try to compete with the historic architecture nearby. And claiming it is similar to 50 other buildings...in a city of 980,000 buildings seems a little silly. Who cares? Beyond the fact that it actually doesn't given that high quality, well-detailed glass facades are still exceedingly rare, this is a high demand spot that has a boat load of remaining FAR, even with this addition. High quality new construction enhances high quality historic architecture. This will be a great addition to the area.

1 hour ago, jmicha said:

The building is offset diagonally so it doesn't sit next to the Metropolitan Life tower.

 

This building is extremely well-detailed and will be a great addition that doesn't try to compete with the historic architecture nearby. And claiming it is similar to 50 other buildings...in a city of 980,000 buildings seems a little silly. Who cares? Beyond the fact that it actually doesn't given that high quality, well-detailed glass facades are still exceedingly rare, this is a high demand spot that has a boat load of remaining FAR, even with this addition. High quality new construction enhances high quality historic architecture. This will be a great addition to the area.

 

Sitting next to, doesn't negate the fact that it will block the building.  I care, as I am a fan of pre war architecture and I strongly dislike "glass box" buildings.

 

If you look across NYC, the number of building that have been built in the last decade, especially in the MPD/Chelsea/ western 20's, Western 50s, Lincoln Center, Downtown Brooklyn, MPD are very similar.  Hell, I work in a building that I HATE and forced to move into from an office I loathed, after moving from an office in Rock Center, that I love, love, loved!

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^ it's funny and ironic you say that because the original plan was to build a 100 story tower on the deco north building stub that would have completely blocked a view of the clock tower. that plan was killed by the great depression. it is the great dream of nyc architecture fans to complete that tower someday. maybe they can use the leftover far from this southern kpf addition to get crackin on it? ha! 😂

 

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44 minutes ago, mrnyc said:

^ it's funny and ironic you say that because the original plan was to build a 100 story tower on the deco north building stub that would have completely blocked a view of the clock tower. that plan was killed by the great depression. it is the great dream of nyc architecture fans to complete that tower someday. maybe they can use the leftover far from this southern kpf addition to get crackin on it? ha! 😂

 

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Damn, that's a cool looking tower.

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Sitting next to, doesn't negate the fact that it will block the building.  I care, as I am a fan of pre war architecture and I strongly dislike "glass box" buildings.

 

If you look across NYC, the number of building that have been built in the last decade, especially in the MPD/Chelsea/ western 20's, Western 50s, Lincoln Center, Downtown Brooklyn, MPD are very similar.  Hell, I work in a building that I HATE and forced to move into from an office I loathed, after moving from an office in Rock Center, that I love, love, loved!

As an architect living and working in NYC, no, very few buildings actually look like this. They're only similar if you think anything with a glass curtainwall is identical. Which is to say, completely disregarding the actual details that go into a building like this. And yes, from some angles to the southeast the view will be obscured. Such is Manhattan development. I'd say overall though, very few people are viewing this building from that angle. You can't really see it from afar from the southeast unless you're high up. The primary views from across the park are uninterupted.

 

Liking pre war architecture, something I also value immensely, doesn't somehow require a dislike of architecture that's current to 2021. I live in a 1930s co-op building that has quirky details I love. But I also appreciate what gets built today. Both have good qualities, and this building is an example of care being put into said glass curtain wall system so it's not just a boring blue glass box.

 

And as MrNYC pointed out, this building was supposed to have a massive neighbor to the north, and this new construction is actually quite a lot smaller than was originally planned for this site. This building is located above a building that was always supposed to be expanded upward in the future. This new addition only uses a small portion of the FAR this site has, and that was done partially out of respect for the Metropolitan Life building. Utilizing the full FAR would have either required towering over it, or filling out the full site, both of which were seen as a negative approach to this addition. Overall I'd say this is extremely respectful and aware of its surroundings in a way most new buildings aren't.

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via field conditions, hunter's point, the sw lic, queens neighborhood, is adding a couple nice apt buildings to the mix.

 

hunter's point south phase 2

587' and 475'

56/46 fl

 

 

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niiiiiice!

 

 

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there is a bunch of stuff going up around there --- i cant keep track

 

 

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It's crazy how recently the only tower in LIC at all was Citi's building. Derelict waterfront, parking and vacant lots by Court Square and Queensboro Plaza. I wonder how many units have been added to LIC in the last 15 or 20 years. I have a feeling it might be more than any other neighborhood in the city. A very lazy quick google search suggests that at least in the last 5 or so years it has come out on top or near the top every year in terms of new housing units added.

I was just in Greenpoint and surprised by the amount of towers that have gone up along the waterfront there.

This is one of the city's best towers. I hadn't been over in that area in awhile and went by a handful of weeks ago. The facade quality is fantastic. I'm super excited to see this one completed. It's worthy of being the tallest in the city outside of Manhattan.

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^ i'm going over tomorrow -- actually to get my vax booster next door -- so i am looking forward to seeing it up close again.

 

it certainly puts the goth in gotham.

8 hours ago, mrnyc said:

^ i'm going over tomorrow -- actually to get my vax booster next door -- so i am looking forward to seeing it up close again.

 

it certainly puts the goth in gotham.

 

When I live in Brooklyn Hts. and would go over to park slope/Prospect Park, I could stand on the corner of Flatbush and 8th Ave in front of the then Chemical, now Chase Bank and see the Manhattan Bridge.  Now, there is nothing but glass towers.  And I do not care for them.

 

When I live in Brooklyn Hts., there only office "towers" in downtown were the two at Metro Tech, the Chase building and the one across was not yet completed.  The only tall residential towers were along Cadman.  I went to the Atlantic Antic and a House Music party at BAM a few weeks ago and the area is unrecognizable compared to 2000.  I'm so glad I did not buy in this area, as i would not be happy about the towers.  I would be a total NIMBY'er!

So it's perfectly fine if you don't personally like new buildings. Butt that's a bit hyperbolic, no? Downtown Brooklyn quite literally has only a few true glass towers. The vast majority may have more windows than pre-war buildings do, but they feature plenty of other materials. Metal, brick, terracotta, etc. are equally represented in comparison to glass in Downtown Brooklyn.

 

Again, perfectly fine if you don't personally enjoy those things. But it's most definitely not "there is nothing but glass towers." 

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taa daa -- presenting brooklyn's tallest!

 

these are from saturday morning -- after i got my covid booster shot:

 

 

 

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this view is from atlantic avenue

 

 

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bonus -- i went to french louis on atlantic for a nicoise socca salad, which was as awesome as it looks 

then i shopped around a little, went home & got side effects fever/aches all night from the booster - ugh.

 

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holy crapoly.

 

literally.

 

i think gary barnett has lost his marbles, but check out the 1120' supertall mixed hotel/retail/obs deck tower dreck that extell is proposing here.

 

740 8th ave -- bet 45st-46st.

 

otoh, it is times square, and tourists will love it, so who cares, its to be expected.

 

no financing yet i dont think.

 

more:

https://commercialobserver.com/2021/08/extell-assembles-times-square-development-site-with-82m-purchase/

 

 

 

 

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yay! more citibikes coming! More chances to get run over by cyclists who ride blithely up and down sidewalks, crash lights, and generally pay zero attention to laws, rules and regulations. I can hardly wait. 

 

 

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Extell...what are you doing...Extell....STAHP!!!

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10 minutes ago, Ineffable_Matt said:

 

 

no, because that trippy, touristy schtick and the price turned me off to it.

 

but ...

 

now i changed my mind and definately want to go.

 

because i got the new iphone13, so a better camera, and also because i want these eastern views of the chrysler bldg before they tear down the hyatt hotel and build the new supertall there.

 

 

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some great news for Chinatown, a neighborhood that was almost devastated not just from Covid, resulting in many permanent closures (including what was the largest restaurant, Jin Fong, on Elizabeth St--which reportedly seated 800!) ; but from a lengthy shutdown twenty years ago from 9/11, being in such close proximity to the WTC. I look forward to going here

 

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i walked by the new google building that is u/c in hudson square

 

 

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i recently walked by the new chase bank hq tower that is u/c on park ave near grand central too --

 

 

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this isn't construction, but a friend stayed in a hotel

in chinatown on mulberry street recently

so enjoy this unusual downtown view

over columbus park and the courts

 

 

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16 hours ago, mrnyc said:

i recently walked by the new chase bank hq tower that is u/c on park ave near grand central too --

 

 

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It still makes me sad that their building in Columbus is in the suburbs and not downtown. 

Every time I leave the office to go grab lunch (the once every two weeks I'm there lol) and look north up Vanderbilt and see the structure of 270 Park it reminds me that we're about to have an enormous neighbor. Not as enormous as the Commodore Tower will be, but big enough to dramatically change the dynamic of standing on Vanderbilt.

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21 hours ago, jmicha said:

Every time I leave the office to go grab lunch (the once every two weeks I'm there lol) and look north up Vanderbilt and see the structure of 270 Park it reminds me that we're about to have an enormous neighbor. Not as enormous as the Commodore Tower will be, but big enough to dramatically change the dynamic of standing on Vanderbilt.

 

 

it's just the same at my spouse's office neighborhood down in hudson square. big changes in its own way. the google building is going up next door to her office building and the block buster disney media offices construction is a block south. also, all the older warehouse buildings are converted or being converted. i remember going up in them way back in the days with media friends when they were all gigantic printing press businesses. 

 

even in the 'hood neighborhoods where i often work around the city there are new housing and mixed use apt buildings going up everywhere.

 

never a dull moment!

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