The "jenga" one is very cool! I like it better than what it became.

I dont like the jenga one. It doesn't interact well with the corner at all. And there is also a plaza in front of it. Also it seems as if they demolished every building east of it :-P

^ Exactly. I think it's a cool looking building, but it doesn't work on that corner.

Design it similar to the medical mutual building. That building does a great job at owning the corner.

I know for a fact that the second design was the last iteration of the design, and its really gorgeous. You have to think of the historical context of the architecture of Marcel Breuer and the movement of brutalism, and you will find this design culminates quite well with that. I dont know what the chances are that this succeeds.. but can you imagine how it would change the perception of the city from the view of those in "progressive field"? :D

Well theres no debate there.  The jenga one was just basically a photophop image of an idea for a second building for the site, not something designed for there.  I agree about the second one in that it would have complimented the Breuer buillding (make sure you look at the video link also posted for the interior..  The terace would have been awesome!

 

Under current conditions this second building would be highly unlikely.  At the time there werre several large tenants looking for spaces (before the crash), and since several have found them. 

Would make an impressive entrance to the city and view from Progressive.

^Did Baker and Hostetler just decide to remain in the PNC Building?  You never hear about them still looking and it has been a while since their lease was supposedly up.

I don't know much about the strength of the interior walls/floors, but my guess would be that a new facade (with matching skyway) that was perhaps more classical in style, would be more than enough to make the building over.

 

The entire first floor could be re purposed as retail with new floorplans and additional doorways.  Maybe even 2 story high ones if they chose to make retail the main draw.  Just can't believe how great this location is.  Seems like something the Marons would do (assuming the Schofield building is completed and the economy continues to recover).  Man what I would do (for Cleveland) with $150M.    :wink2:

 

$150m wouldn't be enough for the proposed development of this complex.

 

I know K&D is still very much persuing this project. I have no idea if it will happen.

Ameritrust appraises at $17 million, $28 million less than Cuyahoga County taxpayers have invested

 

By Laura Johnston, The Plain Dealer

 

CLEVELAND, Ohio — The latest appraisal of Cuyahoga County's Ameritrust complex sets its value at $16.9 million -- $28 million less than taxpayers have invested in the downtown property.

 

County Executive Ed FitzGerald won't consider any proposal until at least October, when he expects a study of 31 county-owned properties and 26 leased spaces to be completed. But he's skeptical that that any sale will recoup the more than $44 million taxpayers have spent.

 

http://www.cleveland.com/cuyahoga-county/index.ssf/2011/05/ameritrust_appraised_at_17_million_27_million_less_than_taxpayers_have_invested.html

^ Wow great to hear that Lou Frangos is somehow involved  :drunk:

Also if K&D do end up converting this building, would they also do the 1010 building?

Dam^..... it was more valuable when it was infested with asbestos!

Well, the one silver lining here is if the county is willing to eat the loss, it might make the numbers behind the acquisition / renovation of the building more palatable for any future developer, K&D or otherwise.

Well, the one silver lining here is if the county is willing to eat the loss, it might make the numbers behind the acquisition / renovation of the building more palatable for any future developer, K&D or otherwise.

 

I would consider that a fantastic result at this point.  It's been clear for a while that the county would be taking a bath on this, but I really think the public needs to get more proactive in redevelopment.  How many years would these buildings have sat idle if the county did nothing?  I'm not trying to justify the extent of the county's loss, or how it all went down with the HQ fiasco.  I would have preferred that the county simply said "we're not going to have an empty hulk at our core anymore and we'll do whatever it takes to fix that."  That should be justification enough to at least pay for the asbestos abatement.  To the extent that there are obstacles to redeveloping Cleveland, we need to remove them by any means necessary.

Ok, I am noticing some street level facade activity on this building...  Is it "patching" broken windows, or is something happening? It looks as though a new entrance was being built.

^ I've heard this building is being used in The Avengers movie, so that's probably it.

^ I've heard this building is being used in The Avengers movie, so that's probably it.

 

Even so if it improves the look of the building thats another benefit the movie is providing.

Of course! Is the work happening on the tower or the building on Prospect and E. 9th?

Both, as well as the Rose Building.  Don't count on the buildings being improved permanently, I know they are at least planning to blow out windows in the Rose Building (which will be replaced), but who know what kinds of plans they have for what they have built across the street.

Good to hear they are dropping their hotel idea.  The market is already too saturated.

^I agree.  Now they can have a singular laser like focus on apartments... which are in very high demand at the moment.  And these would presumably be the highest apartments/condos in the city... right?  That could be a nice selling point.

And these would presumably be the highest apartments/condos in the city... right?

 

you mean if Bruer were full of apartments? would be great for street life on Euclid.

 

According to clevelandskycrapers:

 

Breuer Tower:

29 Floors

383 ft/117m

 

Reserve Square:

23 Floors

266 ft/82m

 

(is one tower the embassy suites hotel and the other apartments?)

 

 

Good to hear they are dropping their hotel idea.  The market is already too saturated.

 

What facts/stats do you have that say the market is saturated?  If anything is under-performing because of the current inventory Cleveland has.

 

^I agree. 

 

I disagree.

Now they can have a singular laser like focus on apartments... which are in very high demand at the moment.  And these would presumably be the highest apartments/condos in the city... right?  That could be a nice selling point.

Agreed.  A Euclid Avenue address, in a historic building and with views of the city.  Crazy selling point!

 

Euclid Avenue address in name only.  Technically, the building is on E 9th unless they turn the rotunda into a lobby, which I highly doubt if the plan is for market rate apartments without a hotel component.

Euclid Avenue address in name only.  Technically, the building is on E 9th unless they turn the rotunda into a lobby, which I highly doubt if the plan is for market rate apartments without a hotel component.

Yes, but that doesn't mean after redevelopment the building cannot be given a "Euclid" address. 

 

Around the world there are plenty of corner buildings that have secondary street main entrance/frontage, yet the building address is on the major Avenue.

I believe it already has a Euclid address - 900 Euclid Avenue.  But my point was that it is not a 'corner building'.  The tower itself does not touch Euclid.

I believe it already has a Euclid address - 900 Euclid Avenue.  But my point was that it is not a 'corner building'.  The tower itself does not touch Euclid.

 

I understand that but I think you're missing what I'm saying.  I'm speculating on having the address of the entire development itself changed once redeveloped.

 

I think of it as a corner building and not East Ninth and Prospect but East Ninth and Euclid.

An interesting example: the GOP HQ in Columbus has its address listed as on S. 5th St., although there is no entrance on that side of the building; the front of the building and its entrance is on E. Rich St.  Some PR work in hand.

I believe it already has a Euclid address - 900 Euclid Avenue.  But my point was that it is not a 'corner building'.  The tower itself does not touch Euclid.

 

I understand that but I think you're missing what I'm saying.  I'm speculating on having the address of the entire development itself changed once redeveloped.

 

I think of it as a corner building and not East Ninth and Prospect but East Ninth and Euclid.

 

I guess I am missing what you are saying.  Changed to what?  It already has a Euclid address.  And, right now, the 'complex' (the tower plus the rotunda) IS a corner complex.

 

But, like I said, if market rate apartments are contemplated, then I am speculating that the rotunda will be separated (if feasible) and put to other use.

 

Reserve Square:

23 Floors

266 ft/82m

 

(is one tower the embassy suites hotel and the other apartments?)

 

 

Yes.

 

I wonder how many housing units would realistically fit into the Breuer Tower if it was all-residential. I don't remember the original proposal and I'm too lazy to look it up right now. ;-)

 

you mean if Bruer were full of apartments? would be great for street life on Euclid.

 

According to clevelandskycrapers:

 

Breuer Tower:

29 Floors

383 ft/117m

 

Reserve Square:

23 Floors

266 ft/82m

 

(is one tower the embassy suites hotel and the other apartments?)

 

I was actually looking at an apartment at Reserve Square today, the West building is apartments, and the 14-23 of the East building is apartments.  Wouldn't it be incredible to leave through that rotunda every morning were it the lobby?  On the other hand, I've always thought the rotunda clashed a lot with the brutalist tower....

 

you mean if Bruer were full of apartments? would be great for street life on Euclid.

 

According to clevelandskycrapers:

 

Breuer Tower:

29 Floors

383 ft/117m

 

Reserve Square:

23 Floors

266 ft/82m

 

(is one tower the embassy suites hotel and the other apartments?)

 

I was actually looking at an apartment at Reserve Square today, the West building is apartments, and the 14-23 of the East building is apartments.  Wouldn't it be incredible to leave through that rotunda every morning were it the lobby?  On the other hand, I've always thought the rotunda clashed a lot with the brutalist tower....

 

Rotunda vs. Tower; Neoclassical vs. Brutalist:  Let them fight I say, we're lucky to have such contrasts rubbing shoulders.

 

you mean if Bruer were full of apartments? would be great for street life on Euclid.

 

According to clevelandskycrapers:

 

Breuer Tower:

29 Floors

383 ft/117m

 

Reserve Square:

23 Floors

266 ft/82m

 

(is one tower the embassy suites hotel and the other apartments?)

 

I was actually looking at an apartment at Reserve Square today, the West building is apartments, and the 14-23 of the East building is apartments.  Wouldn't it be incredible to leave through that rotunda every morning were it the lobby?  On the other hand, I've always thought the rotunda clashed a lot with the brutalist tower....

 

Marcel Breuer would have like that you thought it clashed ;)

Ameritrust appraises at $17 million, $28 million less than Cuyahoga County taxpayers have invested

 

Cut your loses and sell to K&D.

It would be $17 million more than the county currently has.

 

you mean if Bruer were full of apartments? would be great for street life on Euclid.

 

According to clevelandskycrapers:

 

Breuer Tower:

29 Floors

383 ft/117m

 

Reserve Square:

23 Floors

266 ft/82m

 

(is one tower the embassy suites hotel and the other apartments?)

 

I was actually looking at an apartment at Reserve Square today, the West building is apartments, and the 14-23 of the East building is apartments.  Wouldn't it be incredible to leave through that rotunda every morning were it the lobby?  On the other hand, I've always thought the rotunda clashed a lot with the brutalist tower....

 

Got that one backwards, the West Tower (facing the 12th St.) is apt 14-23, the Embassy Suites takes up the lower floors.

Ameritrust appraises at $17 million, $28 million less than Cuyahoga County taxpayers have invested

 

Cut your loses and sell to K&D.

 

Or put out a new RFP.  I would really like to see some other proposals from other developers. 

^That would be the best option.  The county should have done that a while ago.  It would be GREAT to have all the extra foot traffic from an apartment conversion which would be the best option at this point.   

^ The Breuer tower development (into apartments presumably) with the Schofield hotel development is really exciting. Could completely change the side of downtown for the better 

I remember reading somewhere (probably on here) that the tower could hold upwards of 200 tenants depending on how the units were constructed.  Add 75 or so hotel rooms across the street and that will definitely have an impact on that corner.  If only some momentum could get started with the Huntington Bldg.

Ameritrust appraises at $17 million, $28 million less than Cuyahoga County taxpayers have invested

 

Cut your loses and sell to K&D.

 

Or put out a new RFP.  I would really like to see some other proposals from other developers. 

 

They have to put out a new RFP. They couldn't just sell it without an RFP process. 

Now that they've sprayed the Rotunda (CapitalOne Bank as it is now :-P) with black stuff, do you think they'll clean the whole building when the movie is done?  It needs a good wash!

I like the "stores" on E9th. It makes you picture it differently. What if there was really retail there?

I know I'm so difficult, but I live away from Cleveland when I'm not in school and I'd love to see some pics of what you guys are talking about :)

I don't want to turn this into a movie discussion, but all these changes do make me wonder what they'll do when they leave.  I heard somewhere they've also added some lights and plants to public square, but I havn't seen it yet. 

 

I like the "stores" on E9th. It makes you picture it differently. What if there was really retail there?

 

I wish they were REAL!!!  :clap:  Oh well its nice to pretend for a while

 

 

 

 

Ahhhh Hugo Boss! How cool would that be?

Ahhhh Hugo Boss! How cool would that be?

 

Or to enter that Grand Central/42nd Str. subway!

 

Or to enter that Grand Central/42nd Str. subway!

 

That would be a long tunnel.

 

OK, this is starting to turn into a movie discussion. I encourage you to post those pictures in the "Cleveland in movies & TV" thread.

Ahhhh Hugo Boss! How cool would that be?

 

Or to enter that Grand Central/42nd Str. subway!

 

Ahhhh Hugo Boss! How cool would that be?

Sorry to be Dolores (Debbies more fabulous sister) Downer.  But Ehhh, to both!  SHOW ME A PRADA!

 

Now that they've sprayed the Rotunda (CapitalOne Bank as it is now :P ) with black stuff, do you think they'll clean the whole building when the movie is done?  It needs a good wash!

The "product" place budget for this movie seems like it's going to be crazy.  Capital One, Hugo Boss.  I need to find out who else paid and is being paid!

 

Perhaps the pictures and discussion could be moved to the dedicated movie thread?

http://www.urbanohio.com/forum2/index.php/topic,26187

Voila