April 6, 201213 yr ^Has this been addressed anywhere else in this thread?!?!? Am I missing something?!?! "You don't just walk into a bar and mix it up by calling a girl fat" - buildingcincinnati speaking about new forumers
April 6, 201213 yr ^ Dont think so. That whole area infront of Tower City on Public Square pisses me off. It looks like trash, and the people just loitering are annoying. Same goes for all of Public Square in my opinion. And we need to stop building up Public Square to be something its not. We dont need tourists getting that impression of our city.
April 6, 201213 yr I have been on the board since about 2007 and I wish I had a nickel each time the "homeless issue" in Cleveland comes up in a thread. It could be in a construction thread, parking thread, business thread or what ever. Usually starts as an off the cuff comment in said thread and then blossoms into a 4-5 page discussion (usually a re-hash of things said in anothe thread just months earlier) with insightful thoughts, positive solutions, crazy ideas, mindless political jargon, bigoted comments and often endless bickering. I guess this is what this board is all about but sometimes...well...you know. That is why I said "here we go".
April 6, 201213 yr Public Square is not a space for 'experiencing' beyond the Soldiers/Sailors Memorial, which is kind of an island. It's a mass transit hub surrounded by interesting buildings. That may change if Mayor Jackson's proposed changes (see the Public Square thread) are carried out eventually...but the loiterers? Well, they might be waiting for a bus, or they might actually be homeless. The people waiting for a bus aren't going anywhere until RTA builds a new transit hub (proposed, designed) and the homeless people aren't going anywhere unless the principle mens' homeless shelter moves from Lakeside or CPD adopts far stricter, draconian anti-loitering statutes and patrols far more aggressively. In a city where the poverty rate is staggeringly high. People have to go somewhere, and if they're poor, they're probably going to take the bus. That's just a reality, regardless of how anyone feels about it/how it affects the aesthetics of the Casino. For what it's worth, I've heard it reported that there is increased police presence on PS, I believe there is now one officer there 24/7 who basically does nothing but patrol that side of PS, and there are often more. Other than that...I wouldn't have any tables facing outward onto PS on the 1st floor. 2nd/3rd floors, sure. It's not so bad a view...Other than that...what can you do? I think they've done a great job so far. You work with what you're given.
April 6, 201213 yr Noticed that the Horseshoe site is now a bit updated - and includes info about the 3 food court restaurants with a hint that the 3rd restaurant might be a local pizza place, in addition to Corky & Lenny's and B-Spot... "Our grab-and-go food court offers three distinct local flavors and will please the palette whether you are in the mood for a heaping sandwich, American fare or a piping hot slice of pizza." There is also info about the buffet - and hours for food court and buffet. "Restaurant partners" not yet announced - but hotel partners are... (Ritz-Carlton, Renaissance, Marriott) The pizza place isn't local. It's a chain from Vegas. Couldn't tell ya the name of it though.
April 6, 201213 yr I do have a question about this Horseshoe Casino/Tower City thing. I was in Cleveland this past Sunday with a couple of UrbanOhioans (+ dinner with MayDay) and I was noticing how nice the casino was coming along but what irked me was the large yet strangely aggressive homeless population/loiterers outside of Tower City on Public Square and on the sidewalks of the casino. I thought to myself, "the casino looks nice but if people walk outside facing Public Square seeing that, then that might not make the nicest impression." Is there some sort of solution to this issue? Is the casino stepping in and helping with social services to perhaps house some homeless in a St. Vincent hotel or something? Several UrbanOhioans I was with noted the issue would perhaps deter either suburbanites or out-of-towners from experiencing that whole Public Square space in front of the casino. Can we move this discussion to the Public Square thread as this has been discussed there. thanks.
April 6, 201213 yr I do have a question about this Horseshoe Casino/Tower City thing. I was in Cleveland this past Sunday with a couple of UrbanOhioans (+ dinner with MayDay) and I was noticing how nice the casino was coming along but what irked me was the large yet strangely aggressive homeless population/loiterers outside of Tower City on Public Square and on the sidewalks of the casino. I thought to myself, "the casino looks nice but if people walk outside facing Public Square seeing that, then that might not make the nicest impression." Is there some sort of solution to this issue? Is the casino stepping in and helping with social services to perhaps house some homeless in a St. Vincent hotel or something? Several UrbanOhioans I was with noted the issue would perhaps deter either suburbanites or out-of-towners from experiencing that whole Public Square space in front of the casino. The casino is hoping to address it by constructing a skywalk
April 6, 201213 yr I do have a question about this Horseshoe Casino/Tower City thing. I was in Cleveland this past Sunday with a couple of UrbanOhioans (+ dinner with MayDay) and I was noticing how nice the casino was coming along but what irked me was the large yet strangely aggressive homeless population/loiterers outside of Tower City on Public Square and on the sidewalks of the casino. I thought to myself, "the casino looks nice but if people walk outside facing Public Square seeing that, then that might not make the nicest impression." Is there some sort of solution to this issue? Is the casino stepping in and helping with social services to perhaps house some homeless in a St. Vincent hotel or something? Several UrbanOhioans I was with noted the issue would perhaps deter either suburbanites or out-of-towners from experiencing that whole Public Square space in front of the casino. The casino is hoping to address it by constructing a skywalk Really? The proposed sky-walk on the on the prospect side will do what exactly? Hypothetically speaking, if people are coming from, say, city hall, to the Casino, do you really think they would walk passed the PS entrances, to Prospect, to enter the Casino? Or is this sarcasm?
April 6, 201213 yr I have been on the board since about 2007 and I wish I had a nickel each time the "homeless issue" in Cleveland comes up in a thread. It could be in a construction thread, parking thread, business thread or what ever. Usually starts as an off the cuff comment in said thread and then blossoms into a 4-5 page discussion (usually a re-hash of things said in anothe thread just months earlier) with insightful thoughts, positive solutions, crazy ideas, mindless political jargon, bigoted comments and often endless bickering. I guess this is what this board is all about but sometimes...well...you know. That is why I said "here we go". Gotcha. My bad, didn't know it was a hot topic from years past! LOL! "You don't just walk into a bar and mix it up by calling a girl fat" - buildingcincinnati speaking about new forumers
April 6, 201213 yr I do have a question about this Horseshoe Casino/Tower City thing. I was in Cleveland this past Sunday with a couple of UrbanOhioans (+ dinner with MayDay) and I was noticing how nice the casino was coming along but what irked me was the large yet strangely aggressive homeless population/loiterers outside of Tower City on Public Square and on the sidewalks of the casino. I thought to myself, "the casino looks nice but if people walk outside facing Public Square seeing that, then that might not make the nicest impression." Is there some sort of solution to this issue? Is the casino stepping in and helping with social services to perhaps house some homeless in a St. Vincent hotel or something? Several UrbanOhioans I was with noted the issue would perhaps deter either suburbanites or out-of-towners from experiencing that whole Public Square space in front of the casino. The casino is hoping to address it by constructing a skywalk Really? The proposed sky-walk on the on the prospect side will do what exactly? Hypothetically speaking, if people are coming from, say, city hall, to the Casino, do you really think they would walk passed the PS entrances, to Prospect, to enter the Casino? Or is this sarcasm? I'm sensing sarcasm. I laughed, anyways.
April 7, 201213 yr Northfield Park owner, Hard Rock executive discuss racino plans http://www.cleveland.com/metro/index.ssf/2012/04/northfield_park_owner_hard_roc.html What are peoples opinion on this story? Do you think that it will take away from the Horseshoe Casino?
April 7, 201213 yr I don't think the Casino has anything to worry about. This will definitely be a draw in that area, but I don't think it will be like Downtown.
April 7, 201213 yr Northfield already draws nobody, and it won't draw much more by adding slots. It may capture some of the slots-only players who'd come in from Akron. If I were a betting man, I'd bet that we'll see horse racing banned within our lifetimes.
April 7, 201213 yr To CDM's point, I think Cleveland is stepping up police presence and DCA is also increasing ambassadors in the PS/casino area, so out of towners, and suburbanites won't be too frightened.
April 7, 201213 yr ^Yes. There was an article about that last week? If you are back in town before then and intimidated, you can call DCA for an escort.
April 8, 201213 yr ^^ what kind of escort? :-) When I was walking through tower city mall at 10:30 am the other day there were 3 police officers in the mall, as well as one walking public square/ Ontario... I figured it was for the casino and not some crackdown on youths.
April 8, 201213 yr My friend posted this on FB earlier, looks like signage went up! Although I do not like that sign. I wish they would have honored the building by saying "Horseshoe Casino in/at the Historic Higbee's Building/Department store". But thats just my personal opinion. it's much better than the "D" Word sign that was there.
April 8, 201213 yr My friend posted this on FB earlier, looks like signage went up! Although I do not like that sign. I wish they would have honored the building by saying "Horseshoe Casino in/at the Historic Higbee's Building/Department store". But thats just my personal opinion. it's much better than the "D" Word sign that was there. While I respect your opinion that is just a ridiculous idea for a sign it's entirely to long and doesn't flow
April 8, 201213 yr My friend posted this on FB earlier, looks like signage went up! Although I do not like that sign. I wish they would have honored the building by saying "Horseshoe Casino in/at the Historic Higbee's Building/Department store". But thats just my personal opinion. it's much better than the "D" Word sign that was there. While I respect your opinion that is just a ridiculous idea for a sign it's entirely to long and doesn't flow Without taking this off topic, there are so many ways to have created signage with that. The "Horseshoe Casino" on top and "at the Historic Higbee Bldg." below. Tons of options.
April 9, 201213 yr The Higbee's name is preserved in a number of places. There are interior and exterior plaques that I've seen, and it's still referred to as the Higbee's building in Tower City and by Keybank, which has offices there. The sign looks fine.
April 9, 201213 yr The Higbee's name is preserved in a number of places. There are interior and exterior plaques that I've seen, and it's still referred to as the Higbee's building in Tower City and by Keybank, which has offices there. The sign looks fine. Only on the Exterior, correct? If they are going to adapt a building as grand as Higbee's Im hoping they honor it with some sort of historic piece inside.
April 9, 201213 yr Is there a designated 'main entry' to the casino? Is the PS entry below the canopy the main entry or are there other entry points that all act as main entries? If it is the PS side, I hope they'll improve the look of the large canopy over the doors. https://www.instagram.com/cle_and_beyond/https://www.instagram.com/jbkaufer/
April 9, 201213 yr Author I would expect more people would enter from Prospect and Ontario because that's where the parking garage/valet is.
April 9, 201213 yr MTS, I believe there is a plaque on the inside as well, somewhere near the Key/Tower City lobby? I can't recall. The signage at Tower City says Higbee building. I'd suspect there will be some sort of history marker on the inside, but I don't know.
April 9, 201213 yr It looks like the Higbee Company plaque will remain. It can be seen in the rendering. http://blog.cleveland.com/architecture/2011/02/casino_wont_dramatically_alter.html
April 9, 201213 yr Looks like they're installing a large billboard or LCD screen on the wall of the welcome garage facing south toward Ontario/Broadway
April 9, 201213 yr MTS, I believe there is a plaque on the inside as well, somewhere near the Key/Tower City lobby? I can't recall. The signage at Tower City says Higbee building. I'd suspect there will be some sort of history marker on the inside, but I don't know. Where? I only know about the exterior PS/Ontario signage. I would expect more people would enter from Prospect and Ontario because that's where the parking garage/valet is. They have to make Public Square a featured egress. It looks like the Higbee Company plaque will remain. It can be seen in the rendering. http://blog.cleveland.com/architecture/2011/02/casino_wont_dramatically_alter.html I'm not talking about that street market. Since the building is historic, they couldn't remove that anyway. As a Clevelander, I feel there should have been something to note this is "Clevelands" casino in the Marque signage itself.
April 10, 201213 yr MTS I'm not talking about that street market. Since the building is historic, they couldn't remove that anyway. As a Clevelander, I feel there should have been something to note this is "Clevelands" casino in the Marque signage itself. I agree it would have been nice to have Cleveland in the name, even if it is in a smaller font. But is it really typical for casinos to have the city name in the signage? https://www.instagram.com/cle_and_beyond/https://www.instagram.com/jbkaufer/
April 10, 201213 yr The casino was very pretty on Saturday night, plus the garage nearby didn't look junky in the least.
April 10, 201213 yr ^^Yeah, not a big deal at all to not have "Cleveland" as part of the signage on the building itself. Those standing on the street should already know they're in Cleveland... not sure they need to be reminded. I mean, what other downtown establishment does this? Do any hotels have "Cleveland" in their signage? And to be fair to Horseshoe I see "Cleveland" in every one of their ads that I can think of so I think they're doing a fair job of promoting the city so far.
April 10, 201213 yr speaking of signage; is the big horseshoe sign on the roof still a go? http://media.cleveland.com/architecture/photo/ax169-7085-9jpg-0b5f194bb27228af.jpg
April 10, 201213 yr How many pages of "signage talk" can we get this thread up to? 98.9% of the people going to the casino won't care...
April 10, 201213 yr I was on Public Square twice yesterday. I didn't even notice the sign, and I wanted to take a look at it to see what I thought of it. Guess it will have to wait until the next time, or maybe the time after that, or..... "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
April 10, 201213 yr Cannot wait to see everything once its completed...going to bring a new light to Public Square and Downtown Cleveland...
April 10, 201213 yr I am not sure how to present this without everyone ridiculing, but here goes. I think the entire concept of the casino right in the center of downtown is very European. Unlike every other casino in the Midwest, this is not a big box buildt in the middle of nowhere. This is not part of a race track. It is in an historic building with all of the real table games. It has the potential to be an exceptional gaming place. I am a statistician and therfore, not a gambler, but I can appreciate the mistique. I can see the next James Bond movie being filmed there.
April 10, 201213 yr While you might get ridiculed for the James Bond comment, I agree with everything else. In fact I was touring Cleveland yesterday with a national blogger on transit issues, and he noted that the casino is probably the only one in the country to share a roof with a major rail transit station. That's what I consider to be pretty integrated into the urban fabric! "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
April 10, 201213 yr That's what I consider to be pretty integrated into the urban fabric! Now YOU are going to get ridiculed considering how this casino (translation - Dan Gilbert), despite assurances otherwise, ripped out our urban fabric and used it for toilet paper. ;)
April 10, 201213 yr Now YOU are going to get ridiculed considering how this casino (translation - Dan Gilbert), despite assurances otherwise, ripped out our urban fabric and used it for toilet paper. ;) Nah, only by you. And that's ripping I can accept. ;) BTW, I bought Danny Boy some toilet paper for Easter since he demolished my alma mater. Looks like he's almost out..... "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
April 10, 201213 yr I am not sure how to present this without everyone ridiculing, but here goes. I think the entire concept of the casino right in the center of downtown is very European. Unlike every other casino in the Midwest, this is not a big box buildt in the middle of nowhere. This is not part of a race track. It is in an historic building with all of the real table games. It has the potential to be an exceptional gaming place. I am a statistician and therfore, not a gambler, but I can appreciate the mistique. I can see the next James Bond movie being filmed there. You can "see" the next bond movie being filmed here?! Child, get some contacts - FAST! Lawd.....that's wishful thinking!
April 10, 201213 yr I am not sure how to present this without everyone ridiculing, but here goes. I think the entire concept of the casino right in the center of downtown is very European. Unlike every other casino in the Midwest, this is not a big box buildt in the middle of nowhere. This is not part of a race track. It is in an historic building with all of the real table games. It has the potential to be an exceptional gaming place. I am a statistician and therfore, not a gambler, but I can appreciate the mistique. I can see the next James Bond movie being filmed there. You can "see" the next bond movie being filmed here?! Child, get some contacts - FAST! Lawd.....that's wishful thinking! lol
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